Vote kick feature is being seriously abused...

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Reverb wrote: »

There has been a huge influx of mid-range (100-250) CP players who have really, really, terribly bad builds and rotations. These players are queuing for vet dungeons and pledges. I blame the holiday event for letting people crank through levels and cp without having to learn their class or builds.

I used to be very tolerant of low cp players, and helped train more pugs than I can count on dungeon mechanics. I run pledges with guilds, but always enjoyed pugging when time allowed. Now, I've spent weeks getting terrible dps after terrible dps in my pugs. I routinely do 40-50% of the damage in these groups, on my tank. I've honestly been in groups that took over 5 min to clear the first pack of trash.

Because of the huge number of these "bads", I am no longer tolerant. I will always vote to kick <300 cp dps roles in vet content. You may think I'm an ass for it, and I'm ok with that.

That last two group finder pledges I did I was taking screen shots of me doing 80-90% of a bosses total HP. As one of the dps and remembering the tank and healer also would of done dps it makes me wonder what the other dps was even doing.

The only conclusion is the other dps has no arms and uses a joy stick.

In the end like I have always said... kicking someone due to low CP is not personal and just a maths and % call on wanting to lower the chance of turning a 10 minute pledge into a 1-2 hour pledge.. Dont like that? complain to ZOS about how you cant select the CP rank you wish to be grouped with and dont blame the people who dont want to risk it and WASTE real time in a more than likely terrible group.

/youcannowcallmeaelitest.

SnubbS

disintegr8 wrote: »

@SnubbS - you have provided nothing of any benefit or help in this thread and should probably not have commented in the first place. You have implied with your first comment that they were having simply having a whinge and are incompetent, deserving to be kicked.

The grouping tool is simply inadequate to meet the needs of high level players who only want fast runs through dungeons for loot and/or undaunted pledges. While a cp50 player can get grouped with higher cp players in any vet dungeon, it is not acceptable for them to be kicked before they even start the dungeon based on their cp level.

If they have chosen 'random' for the bonus XP and the tool puts them in a more difficult dungeon that the rest of the group think they are too low for, it is not their fault. They have as much right to go for the bonus XP as anyone else is. If higher level players do not want to risk getting a lower level player placed in the group, they should not use group finder.

While there are plenty of capped cp players who will happily run with whoever gets grouped with them, or choose to leave themselves rather than kick others, there are a growing number of what some might call 'entitled' or 'elitist' high level players who think they have a greater right to use the grouping tool than lower level players.

If ZOS simply got rid of the stupid 15 minute penalty, which is applied whether you choose to quit a run or get kicked, these threads would be few and far between.

I think lower level players were responsible for bringing the penalty in as higher level players kept leaving groups, without any penalty, rather than run with them, making it hard for them to get dungeons done. Now it has come full circle and is hurting them as much as, if not more, than anyone else.

Don't believe I've ever been @'d before on the forums, so that's pretty cool.

I didn't get the memo that it was my (or anyone else's) responsibility to offer 'Help' in every post. 'Help' in this scenario would seemingly be to pat OP on the back and tell him how great he is, helping to calm him down -- sort of like a safe space.

I'm not sure who "They" is -- pronouns will be my downfall I'm certain of it. I implied that OP was having a whinge, and that incompetent players deserve to be kicked. I didn't insinuate that OP was deserving to be kicked, I put forth an argument as to why they might be kicking him before even seeing his level of competence.

Generally agree with the rest of your post.

daedalusAI

The main issue with the current system is that you have to sit through another 15min if you've been kicked immediately when the group has been formed.

WhitePawPrints

So I queued for a normal dungeon. Five people got in, somehow. I was tank with a DPS buddy, and the Healz had a DPS buddy so I had to use the vote kick for the first time on the second tank. Hope that wasn't a debauchery thing to do.

disintegr8

Reverb wrote: »

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Because of the huge number of these "bads", I am no longer tolerant. I will always vote to kick <300 cp dps roles in vet content. You may think I'm an ass for it, and I'm ok with that.

Seeing as though you are fine with it, I think you are wrong for using group finder when you have a minimum criteria for who you will run with. I do not have a problem with you leaving a group if you are unhappy with its make up, I have a problem with someone getting kicked when they have done nothing wrong.

I am not singling you out, I just think that anyone who wants to lay down requirements for who they will or will not run dungeons with, forcing others to pay a penalty for your benefit, should not be using group finder in its current form.

Malamar1229

looks like the vast majority are in agreement that the penalty has to go for those who were kicked from a group. I cant think of one good reason to keep it as is.

Edit- to clarify, keep the penalty for those who join a group and then abandon the group themselves.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Sinolai

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

I am never vote kicking players just becouse of low CP on normal difficulty. Daily random dungeons are the fastest way to lvl after all. But if the *beep*hole revelas himself/herself I initiated the vote kick for him/her

Mojmir

I'm still wondering why after all this time and so many ways of getting xp,why people have so little CP's? I'm on cruise control and in the 800's already

SnubbS

Malamar1229 wrote: »

looks like the vast majority are in agreement that the penalty has to go for those who were kicked from a group. I cant think of one good reason to keep it as is.

Edit- to clarify, keep the penalty for those who join a group and then abandon the group themselves.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

There should not be any cooldown of any kind. Explanation: Player A joins a group, the group consists of a tank with 15k health and a resto staff, and the DDs have a combined CP count of 102. Player A wants to be kicked so that he avoids the penalty. For some reason, Players B, C & D do not kick him. Player A then begins to grief them until kicked, thus wasting more of everyone's time.

Valen_Byte

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

Mojmir

Group finder is garbage,it should have a warning label "buyer beware"

JimT722

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

This is how it should be used. Not everyone will be great, some will still be learning. Have fun and help some people out.

If your looking for a specific type of player, that's what guilds are for.

Autolycus

Tizerak wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

I don't know if I agree that this is really being abused. I have a history of running with pugs "just for fun" and I've only seen a vote to kick once since it was introduced. That vote to kick was initiated by yours truly, and solely because the healer queued as a healer and didn't even have a resto staff. He queued as a healer just to get in quickly and changed his role to dps immediately upon entering (we saw it change). But this is a legitimate reason to vote someone out, because not doing the role you signed up for is irresponsible and frankly disrespectful to the group.

I know that low CP players tend to get unfairly treated because of the stigma that you "must be at X CP to accomplish anything blah blah blah." That's nonsense and we all know it. I've seen a level 27 kick a 561's ass in a duel (thanks battle-leveling) and I've seen a 200 beat vMA on their first try. Player skill > CP.

What's the solution, OP? The vote-to-kick system is a logical and necessary mechanic, and things were considerably less enjoyable for most via Group Finder before it existed. You might be getting treated unjustly at times, but it is within your power to change that. My best suggestion is to get your CP to 160 via Overland content (dungeons, delves, world bosses, and anchors) or to do several rounds of normal Maelstrom (which is good experience, both in terms of CP and learning mechanics). If it's any consolation, there are a great deal of players at the CP cap that share my opinion here, and would give you a fair chance. It's too bad you've had a rough run of late, but giving up won't get you the respect you deserve (or the CP).

Oh I'm not quitting over some bad apples don't worry

Like I said in my OP I do tend to mostly get nice players of the whole CP range and when I ask a question before a boss like what to look out for or oh I remember this guy he does "X", they're usually nice enough to give a less then a minute rundown.

I did just get Orsinium since it's on sale, do you have to complete a questline before doing Maelstrom or can you just jump right into it? It looked interesting I read it was a solo arena of sorts.

Hopefully I didn't come off negatively! I only meant that we can't change the rude and uncalled for behavior of some people. Not everyone has the patience (and understandably, the time) to spend on newer, returning, or more casual players. That's their prerogative and our best course of action is to shove it to 'em and trudge along!

As for Maelstrom, you need only discover it to be able to participate. There are no barriers to entry on the normal version other than owning (or having access to) Orsinium DLC.

I am not one to tell every player that they must participate in Maelstrom. But I do highly recommend it as an experience. It is my firm belief that maelstrom features a great deal of common mechanics (those mechanics are present in many instances of group content) that any player could benefit from practicing. Maelstrom is good for honing your skills, and it's good CP experience, too. The veteran version of Maelstrom is hands-down the toughest solo content in the game, and going into this is going to give you a run for your money, no doubt. But there is no better place to refine your skills. I strongly recommend putting in the time and effort to learn and complete vet Maelstrom eventually.

But I also firmly believe that you should get what you want most out of the game. Some players don't enjoy maelstrom at all, or simply don't like solo content. To each his/her own - play what you want, participate in the content you want to. You're the one buying the game and/or paying the sub, after all.

G0ku

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

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disintegr8

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm still wondering why after all this time and so many ways of getting xp,why people have so little CP's? I'm on cruise control and in the 800's already

This brings us to the other side of the equation, it is so easy to get xp now that there are plenty of CP300+ players out there who are not very good (as other comments have alluded to). But let's not go there

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

xeNNNNN

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

No offence but thats BS.

How else will they learn but from other players and playing themselves?

You can't just say "I dont want to babysit them" because at one point or another someone babysat you. Whether it be a friend, some random, a guildie, whatever. They still babysat you.

Of course you could claim that you learnt by yourself but I highly doubt you've never asked a question on how to do something, you've struggled with a mechanic at some point or you have filled your role as efficiently as you probably should.

if they're max CP they should know better, if they're low CP perhaps they dont have the same knowledge base as you do and thus dont know as much as you. Experience. Thats the crutch for all players even me.

Fact is we are all playing a "multiplayer" game and nobody will ever be perfect unless they play way more than most.

Ex: I dont know anything about the mechanics in Maw of Lorkhaj, Yet I still ask and still try and understand what is going on. If I dont fill my role efficiently I appologise and try to do better. Just kicking people is stupid.

Kudo's too you however for acknowledging you're guilty of doing that. Next step: Stop doing it.

All of that ^ goes for everyone not just you.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

JimT722 wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

This is how it should be used. Not everyone will be great, some will still be learning. Have fun and help some people out.

If your looking for a specific type of player, that's what guilds are for.

If you are slower and ok with being slower you should have to use a guild because group is for fast runs.
yawn, see its looks stupid saying group is FOR what YOU want aye.

G0ku wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

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read my above comment, thinking the way he thinks is just plain wrong and you are for agreeing with it..

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

No offence but thats BS.

How else will they learn but from other players and playing themselves?

You can't just say "I dont want to babysit them" because at one point or another someone babysat you. Whether it be a friend, some random, a guildie, whatever. They still babysat you.

Of course you could claim that you learnt by yourself but I highly doubt you've never asked a question on how to do something, you've struggled with a mechanic at some point or you have filled your role as efficiently as you probably should.

if they're max CP they should know better, if they're low CP perhaps they dont have the same knowledge base as you do and thus dont know as much as you. Experience. Thats the crutch for all players even me.

Fact is we are all playing a "multiplayer" game and nobody will ever be perfect unless they play way more than most.

Ex: I dont know anything about the mechanics in Maw of Lorkhaj, Yet I still ask and still try and understand what is going on. If I dont fill my role efficiently I appologise and try to do better. Just kicking people is stupid.

Kudo's too you however for acknowledging you're guilty of doing that. Next step: Stop doing it.

All of that ^ goes for everyone not just you.

They learn from people who want to teach them, no one has to teach them.

They can say they dont want to because the person who helped them was doing it because they wanted to, they also could of just left and that ALSO would of been fine.

Exactly thus why they are kicked to save time (due to it being a likely chance they are slower than someone else). Nothing personal.

The game is not fair. No one has to teach anyone.

No its not because unlike the game time is real and time can be wasted by others.

Pretentious.

Again pretentious.

WhitePawPrints

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

Huh, no wonder why some "leets" cannot find friends.

alephthiago

Something must be REALLY wrong with me, because i have NEVER been kicked from any groups in any roles, NEVER.

MaxwellC

I only boot on certain dungeons if you're not 160CP+., so sorry mate but if you're not at-least 160CP and want me to carry to through ICP,WGT,cradle, or ruins then look elsewhere especially if the rest of the group is under 300CP.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

Huh, no wonder why some "leets" cannot find friends and *** about the group finder results.

it was in response to what he said. It is to show how stupid it is to assume YOUR reason for using group is the reason it exists.

My friends list is full. Assume more and project more.

Valen_Byte

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

Almost clever.

Just in case you are assuming that I dont cant run a dungeon, I can, and do. I don't use the finder because I just don't have too.

That tool didn't even work for the longest time. So those of us who have been around long enough to know that, don't even use it now. I run them with my wife. We 2 man most of them. Another reason why I'm not sure why you can't carry a player that you would consider to be 'kick' worthy. A group with a good healer and a good tank should be able to carry the group. That being said, why be a *** about it and kick them? Surely you are good enough to finish the dungeon with them in the group.

Vaoh

I am a 561CP Magicka Sorc DPS with all BiS gear. I have knowledge of every single mechanic of every dungeon.

I've soloed more Vet dungeons than anyone else in ESO since I've managed to complete vWGT alone. Even though I do not need a group for many of these dungeons, it's still fun to play with a group especially when they are low CP players in a Vet dungeon.

I often use the group finder because of two reasons:

1) Teach the lowbies how to play. People cannot simply L2P..... people need experience. The best way to get that experience in ESO is to have a really strong player like myself guide you through and explain mechanics. It's fun to do and I've made many friends this way, plus they always feel great after beating an awesome dungeon like White Gold Tower. Vote to kick is not for ridding yourself of low CP players.

2) Creating a challenge. PvE group content has generally gotten so easy that I have completed no death/speedrun/hardmode runs with my high CP friends for practically all dungeons with extreme ease. No struggle whatsoever (besides vRoM and vCoS). PUG groups full of low CP players provides both a challenge and a way to help others.

HOWEVER

If they are not taking your advice when you are 100% correct, or getting really toxic, or just outright being a jerk and need to stop wasting everyone's time, then they get kicked. In all of my time playing I've only kicked a handful of players.

WhitePawPrints

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

Huh, no wonder why some "leets" cannot find friends and *** about the group finder results.

it was in response to what he said. It is to show how stupid it is to assume YOUR reason for using group is the reason it exists.

My friends list is full. Assume more and project more.

Bwahahha! You're ESO friend list is full? Congrats. How many Facebook friends do you have too? LMAO

Group Finder is there for when you don't have others to play with. It throws you in with random people. That is the function of it. That is the purpose of it. That is the reality of it: you will get thrown with random people, and chances are some of them are doing it for the first time and/or don't know what they're doing.

EDIT: Oh and if you have sooo many friends, why would you ever use the Group Finder tool?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

Almost clever.

Just in case you are assuming that I dont cant run a dungeon, I can, and do. I don't use the finder because I just don't have too.

That tool didn't even work for the longest time. So those of us who have been around long enough to know that, don't even use it now. I run them with my wife. We 2 man most of them. Another reason why I'm not sure why you can't carry a player that you would consider to be 'kick' worthy. A group with a good healer and a good tank should be able to carry the group. That being said, why be a *** about it and kick them? Surely you are good enough to finish the dungeon with them in the group.

im assuming nothing and dont care in the slightest if you are the best player in the game or the worst, I am just making a comment how stupid it is to assume the dungeon finder is there for YOUR reason.

normals are soloable, some vets are soloable, all vets can be done in my case with just me and one other dps friend.

Once again not about me but a observation of others here who think that THEIR reason to use a group finder is the RIGHT reason.

Group finder just like this forum is cancer.

Please assume more and bring up your skill for no reason more as if I attacked it..

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

Huh, no wonder why some "leets" cannot find friends and *** about the group finder results.

it was in response to what he said. It is to show how stupid it is to assume YOUR reason for using group is the reason it exists.

My friends list is full. Assume more and project more.

Bwahahha! You're ESO friend list is full? Congrats. How many Facebook friends do you have too? LMAO

Group Finder is there for when you don't have others to play with. It throws you in with random people. That is the function of it. That is the purpose of it. That is the reality of it: you will get thrown with random people, and chances are some of them are doing it for the first time.

Project insecurity more.

I have a full list because YOU brought it up then had a QQ at a response. Logical.

I have 150 or so friends on facebook because I only add people I really know and want to keep in contact with, your personal attack on my ability to have friends has cut me so deep.

Group finder is there to find a group. That group is used for what ever reason the person using it wants. Slow, fast, chilled, achievement hunting, anything.

Instead of trying to attack my ability to have friends you should think about why you think you are the decider and reason maker of the group finding tool.

*edit* I dont/very rarely do because I have friends and its cancer because people like you scream elitest at a hard wind.

DPShiro

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

This^
So much this^^^

Doctordarkspawn

Litterally no.

1. Let the game teach people how to play it, the tutorial in this game does not teach basic facets of its design, it needs overhauled, and this game will continue to sufffer until it does.

2. A 'challenge' needs to be relegated to where it will be appreciated. A third difficulty mode, and raids.

Also institute a basic requirement DPS wise for either vet queueing or queueing in general.

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This is how you would fix the design, but the fact of the matter is the design of One Tamriel with resistance and health upscaling has mandated a increase in DPS that cannot be achieved without high CP. (Or very rarely can.) At this point CP grind or get out, or wait for the class reballance where they hopefully -nerf- this resistance bullcrap into the ground.

Grind, solo, or poke your head in when they re-update, thems your options. Personally if I had a replacement game I would just be gone by now.