Vote kick feature is being seriously abused...

Valen_Byte

Vaoh wrote: »

If they are not taking your advice when you are 100% correct, or getting really toxic, or just outright being a jerk and need to stop wasting everyone's time, then they get kicked. In all of my time playing I've only kicked a handful of players.

Agreed. This was the intent when they added the kick feature. The problem is that it is now being used as a screening process. Something that was not intended, and why it needs looked at.

Paneross

There's one too many lowbies that DONT want tk learn to. I tried to tell a lowbie not to spam spear shards, to let the DoT work it's effect. Did he listen? Nope.

JimT722

Some people use the grouping tool made for anyone to have easy access to group content, and actually expect...

1. Skilled players
2. Fast runs

Reasonable? No. If people want a fast dungeon run with very talented players, this isn't the tool for you. Guilds are. Help people out. They will get better and may help others in turn.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

JimT722 wrote: »

Some people use the grouping tool made for anyone to have easy access to group content, and actually expect...

1. Skilled players
2. Fast runs

Reasonable? No. If people want a fast dungeon run with very talented players, this isn't the tool for you. Guilds are. Help people out. They will get better and may help others in turn.

Reasonable? Yes. If people want to learn or go slow run with others who willingly want to, this isnt the tool for you. Guilds are. Dont expect help from people who dont want to give it. You will annoy less people in turn.

Again.

Waffennacht

The grouping system in ESO won't ever be as bad as Neverwinter when I played it.

Literally shared drops, so players like the guild, "Boot n Loot" would have you complete the dungeon, once you killed the boss you'd get booted from group prior to getting ANY drops.

You're mad about 15 minutes wasted waiting around, how about completing the same dungeon 3 times and got getting a single drop? That's when I left that game and haven't gone back.

JimT722

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Some people use the grouping tool made for anyone to have easy access to group content, and actually expect...

1. Skilled players
2. Fast runs

Reasonable? No. If people want a fast dungeon run with very talented players, this isn't the tool for you. Guilds are. Help people out. They will get better and may help others in turn.

Reasonable? Yes. If people want to learn or go slow run with others who willingly want to, this isnt the tool for you. Guilds are. Dont expect help from people who dont want to give it. You will annoy less people in turn.

Again.

...because new players looking for group content and don't have a guild won't hit a button that promises to find them people? A lot of runs I've done with group finder include people who don't know what to do. If I used group finder and only took skilled players, I would almost never complete anything.

alephthiago

You guys have no idea what most people have to deal with, im not even talking about low cp, im talking about bad players in general.
While i have never been kicked out of a dungeon or kicked anyone since i started doing them (cp 150) i will die defending the right to play the way people want, that being "full elitist that only plays with cp 561" or "i dont know *** and just want to be carried".

The dungeon finder tool is FINE the way it is, the only exception being the 5 person bug.

"I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes."

Are you out of your godamm mind? You asked that person why you got kicked and then REPORTED HIM FOR HARASSMENT BECAUSE YOU DIDNT LIKE HIS ANSWER?

Someone needs to create a guild called "Spoiled little *****" and invite all entitled kids to a safe environment where everyone has to put up with everything without complain.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

JimT722 wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Some people use the grouping tool made for anyone to have easy access to group content, and actually expect...

1. Skilled players
2. Fast runs

Reasonable? No. If people want a fast dungeon run with very talented players, this isn't the tool for you. Guilds are. Help people out. They will get better and may help others in turn.

Reasonable? Yes. If people want to learn or go slow run with others who willingly want to, this isnt the tool for you. Guilds are. Dont expect help from people who dont want to give it. You will annoy less people in turn.

Again.

...because new players looking for group content and don't have a guild won't hit a button that promises to find them people? A lot of runs I've done with group finder include people who don't know what to do. If I used group finder and only took skilled players, I would almost never complete anything.

Its not about you, not about me. Stop acting like it is.

If someone is kicked the majority wanted them out. THUS the majority wanted a different person for x reason and it was a vote that got that done.

In this case normally its because they want a higher CP player in the group (at least in relation to this thread). So the majority are using the group finder for THAT reason and not the reason YOU are proposing.

So are you saying the majority in these cases just should do what the minority want and use group finder for that reason?

I sure hope not.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

SnubbS wrote: »

Sonds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Did you even read his post he has Tank bet content before and is a returning player meaning he may have been at cap for a while before he left. Your point of quick runs makes no sense you will spend more time looking for new people then you will just doing it. At a 610 Tank i have carried many DPS and Healer pass content.

You help them out make them some armor. I ran in a group with a guy with 400+ CP that was wearing mismatched armor he was holding his own sold him some crafted armor and he good some Willpower jewelry and he was killing it.

If you took the time to just help them learn you will have an easier time with group finder. I never vote to kick low CP or low level players. Unless the are not playing their roles if that's the case they have to go a healer that will not stop trying to DPS a DPS that's not actually attacking you kick them but someone trying to learn you teach them not be a mixed bag of deuces.

Karius_Imalthar

I've rarely seen the vote kick feature used. It's only been used when there has been when someone went offline and didn't return. But since it takes all of the other 3 members to agree then I don't see how it's abused really. I might have a different opinion if, when I was learning the ropes, I was getting kicked from every group. On the other hand it is really frustrating when you are grouped with someone who has no idea what they are doing and ruining the fun for everyone else.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sonds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Did you even read his post he has Tank bet content before and is a returning player meaning he may have been at cap for a while before he left. Your point of quick runs makes no sense you will spend more time looking for new people then you will just doing it. At a 610 Tank i have carried many DPS and Healer pass content.

You help them out make them some armor. I ran in a group with a guy with 400+ CP that was wearing mismatched armor he was holding his own sold him some crafted armor and he good some Willpower jewelry and he was killing it.

If you took the time to just help them learn you will have an easier time with group finder. I never vote to kick low CP or low level players. Unless the are not playing their roles if that's the case they have to go a healer that will not stop trying to DPS a DPS that's not actually attacking you kick them but someone trying to learn you teach them not be a mixed bag of deuces.

Your choice,
You chose to go slower,
You chose to go MUCH slower by helping with gear after etc,
No one HAS to do what you do.

And before you or someone else goes "oh you sound charming" I actually help people quite a lot in this game. However this is not ABOUT me this is about the fundamental idea that what YOU and I chose to do means NOTHING because everyone uses group finder for THEIR OWN reasons.. not mine not yours.. stop telling people what they cant use a group finder for when it has no set rules.

disintegr8

There only difference between people using group finder in the hope of learning dungeons and people using group finder in the hope of finding experienced players and fast runs is the level of tolerance. Everyone is entitled to use the only grouping tool there is, we just need to curb our expectations of what the results might be and show tolerance.

I have previously been told that since I am at CP cap, I should have people to run with and should not need to use group finder. The fact is that it may be easier for experienced players to find a group outside of group finder than inexperienced players, simply because they may have been playing longer and may know more people.

Until ZOS do something to enhance group finder, or even simply remove the 15 minute penalty, we all have to live with it's current short comings or choose to stop using it.

UrQuan

Paneross wrote: »

There's one too many lowbies that DONT want tk learn to. I tried to tell a lowbie not to spam spear shards, to let the DoT work it's effect. Did he listen? Nope.

Only 1 of the morphs has a DoT, and both morphs (and the base skill) have an additional effect applied to 1 enemy hit by the initial spear (a disorient or a stun, depending on the morph). So there are definitely legitimate reasons to spam shards rather than having it just sit there...

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

FFS PEOPLE REMEMBER THIS....

3 people all 500cp+ kick a 50cp player because they want someone faster

or

3 people all 50cp kick a 500cp player because the 500cp player says he wants to go really fast and the 50cp players know they cant

its all the same bs.

for just one god damn second stop calling people elitist...

fml.. think!

Valen_Byte

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sonds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Did you even read his post he has Tank bet content before and is a returning player meaning he may have been at cap for a while before he left. Your point of quick runs makes no sense you will spend more time looking for new people then you will just doing it. At a 610 Tank i have carried many DPS and Healer pass content.

You help them out make them some armor. I ran in a group with a guy with 400+ CP that was wearing mismatched armor he was holding his own sold him some crafted armor and he good some Willpower jewelry and he was killing it.

If you took the time to just help them learn you will have an easier time with group finder. I never vote to kick low CP or low level players. Unless the are not playing their roles if that's the case they have to go a healer that will not stop trying to DPS a DPS that's not actually attacking you kick them but someone trying to learn you teach them not be a mixed bag of deuces.

Your choice,
You chose to go slower,
You chose to go MUCH slower by helping with gear after etc,
No one HAS to do what you do.

And before you or someone else goes "oh you sound charming" I actually help people quite a lot in this game. However this is not ABOUT me this is about the fundamental idea that what YOU and I chose to do means NOTHING because everyone uses group finder for THEIR OWN reasons.. not mine not yours.. stop telling people what they cant use a group finder for when it has no set rules.

Correct. No one HAS to.

But a decent player, and a decent person, would.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sonds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Did you even read his post he has Tank bet content before and is a returning player meaning he may have been at cap for a while before he left. Your point of quick runs makes no sense you will spend more time looking for new people then you will just doing it. At a 610 Tank i have carried many DPS and Healer pass content.

You help them out make them some armor. I ran in a group with a guy with 400+ CP that was wearing mismatched armor he was holding his own sold him some crafted armor and he good some Willpower jewelry and he was killing it.

If you took the time to just help them learn you will have an easier time with group finder. I never vote to kick low CP or low level players. Unless the are not playing their roles if that's the case they have to go a healer that will not stop trying to DPS a DPS that's not actually attacking you kick them but someone trying to learn you teach them not be a mixed bag of deuces.

Your choice,
You chose to go slower,
You chose to go MUCH slower by helping with gear after etc,
No one HAS to do what you do.

And before you or someone else goes "oh you sound charming" I actually help people quite a lot in this game. However this is not ABOUT me this is about the fundamental idea that what YOU and I chose to do means NOTHING because everyone uses group finder for THEIR OWN reasons.. not mine not yours.. stop telling people what they cant use a group finder for when it has no set rules.

Correct. No one HAS to.

But a decent player, and a decent person, would.

A decent person would not group into random people expecting to be getting help. Expecting its ok to slow them down. Expecting this and that and this and that.

Anything else?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sonds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Did you even read his post he has Tank bet content before and is a returning player meaning he may have been at cap for a while before he left. Your point of quick runs makes no sense you will spend more time looking for new people then you will just doing it. At a 610 Tank i have carried many DPS and Healer pass content.

You help them out make them some armor. I ran in a group with a guy with 400+ CP that was wearing mismatched armor he was holding his own sold him some crafted armor and he good some Willpower jewelry and he was killing it.

If you took the time to just help them learn you will have an easier time with group finder. I never vote to kick low CP or low level players. Unless the are not playing their roles if that's the case they have to go a healer that will not stop trying to DPS a DPS that's not actually attacking you kick them but someone trying to learn you teach them not be a mixed bag of deuces.

Your choice,
You chose to go slower,
You chose to go MUCH slower by helping with gear after etc,
No one HAS to do what you do.

And before you or someone else goes "oh you sound charming" I actually help people quite a lot in this game. However this is not ABOUT me this is about the fundamental idea that what YOU and I chose to do means NOTHING because everyone uses group finder for THEIR OWN reasons.. not mine not yours.. stop telling people what they cant use a group finder for when it has no set rules.

You can't run elite or farm groups with group finder regardless if you help people in need or not that player that does not fit what you need it locked out of the system to find a group for 15 minutes from no fault of their own.

Like I said I have 610 CP so I have never got a knee jerk kick vote on me but I have seen votes to kick before the first mob is pulled. I have been kicked from groups that are farming the daily and are skipping as much as they can to get to the end well I need to kill those two other boss nope removed from group.

I pull full agro on the room when I tank if I can taunt it I do I have great self heals but if I need two boss that don't drop the head you need for your set why should I be penalized for that.

Tizerak

SnubbS wrote: »

I appreciate the attempt -- I truly do.

You're exhibiting entitlement by asserting that people should be forced to keep you in the group. "I grouped for this dungeon, I'm entitled to play it." There's a reason for the 'Vote-to-kick' option, and incompetent players and/or trolls are likely that.

They are not abusing in-game features, they're kicking you. This is a ridiculous assertion on your part, you should be ashamed to make it.

"I would call myself a competent player, I am by no means an expert, I did research trends in the tanking meta and crafted the highest level set pieces available to me. As I explained before I have tanked a couple HM Vet bosses, that is not just something you can get carried through if you don't know when to block, "get out of fire", avoid one-shots, etc."

I do not care how good you are or how good you think you are. I didn't say you were incompetent, you assumed that -- likely because being kicked so often has left your ego fragile. Naturally assuming the worst in this scenario is a sign of an inferiority complex. As is abusing the report system.

""Sounds like you need a safe space" baseless insult and trolling, moving along."

I'm genuinely insulted by your inability to process that insult and thus deem it 'Baseless'. You're asking for the world to conform to you, you're asking for penalties towards people who act negatively towards you. You're either greatly misinformed on what a 'Safe space' is -- or you're trying to pretend it doesn't apply to you. Either way, I find your disconnect with reality to be quite disconcerting.

Good grief guy where are you getting this stuff from?

I never said anything about deserving to be in a group no matter what and that the LFG tool should never be used; the post was about the abuse of the system, kicking people because of low CP before they even truly measure their skill. People have already posted quite a few horror stories of inadequate players and using the kick system for those circumstances, there's nothing wrong with that. If a player doesn't listen, continues to fail at mechanics, isn't pulling their weight, joining LFG parties, etc. then yeah those are pretty good indicators of using the kick system justifiably.

Never did I mention that I should be "carried" through dungeons by people no matter what I do and never use the kick system against me because I'm special or whatever. I don't know where you pulled that from.

Again, never did I mention or allude to the world needing to conform to "me". I already mentioned in my last response that this issue is not just affecting me but other people and on both sides of the fence.

I believe you're the one at this point that needs to do an ego-check because you're obviously stroking your own when you use phrases like "you should be ashamed", "I'm genuinely insulted", "to be quite disconcerting", etc. Pardon me, I apologize if I made your top hat and monocle fall off.

As @disintegr8 already stated, you haven't contributed anything meaningful to either side of the discussion.

WhitePawPrints

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....

I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.

If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.

If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.

You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.

If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.

You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.

Huh, no wonder why some "leets" cannot find friends and *** about the group finder results.

it was in response to what he said. It is to show how stupid it is to assume YOUR reason for using group is the reason it exists.

My friends list is full. Assume more and project more.

Bwahahha! You're ESO friend list is full? Congrats. How many Facebook friends do you have too? LMAO

Group Finder is there for when you don't have others to play with. It throws you in with random people. That is the function of it. That is the purpose of it. That is the reality of it: you will get thrown with random people, and chances are some of them are doing it for the first time.

Project insecurity more.

I have a full list because YOU brought it up then had a QQ at a response. Logical.

I have 150 or so friends on facebook because I only add people I really know and want to keep in contact with, your personal attack on my ability to have friends has cut me so deep.

Group finder is there to find a group. That group is used for what ever reason the person using it wants. Slow, fast, chilled, achievement hunting, anything.

Instead of trying to attack my ability to have friends you should think about why you think you are the decider and reason maker of the group finding tool.

*edit* I dont/very rarely do because I have friends and its cancer because people like you scream elitest at a hard wind.

Wow, completely missed the point, didn't you? You take this way too seriously if you're this emotional on a video game forum. I will be brief in spelling it out.

You have a very poor attitude, and if you bring that attitude into a Group Finder group, you will not gain any favors.

Byte was making one simple point. Group Finder is for being grouped with random people. That comes with the expectation that those people will be different skill levels. If a person does not want to risk being placed with low skill leveled players, then they should probably not use the Group Finder.

Your argument was that people who are learning dungeons should not use the group finder. Which would kill any desire for people to join dungeon groups. Or maybe you perceived that Byte was "demanding" that high skilled players shouldn't use the group finder tool and that would be very pretentious of him. So, you respond by "demanding" low skilled players shouldn't use the group finder tool?

Bluntly, your responses have held zero validity for any type of an argument or point to be made. Everything you accuse those you're arguing against, is exactly what you are doing yourself.

SnubbS

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sonds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Did you even read his post he has Tank bet content before and is a returning player meaning he may have been at cap for a while before he left. Your point of quick runs makes no sense you will spend more time looking for new people then you will just doing it. At a 610 Tank i have carried many DPS and Healer pass content.

You help them out make them some armor. I ran in a group with a guy with 400+ CP that was wearing mismatched armor he was holding his own sold him some crafted armor and he good some Willpower jewelry and he was killing it.

If you took the time to just help them learn you will have an easier time with group finder. I never vote to kick low CP or low level players. Unless the are not playing their roles if that's the case they have to go a healer that will not stop trying to DPS a DPS that's not actually attacking you kick them but someone trying to learn you teach them not be a mixed bag of deuces.

I read his post, I also reiterated my reading of his post in a separate post. If you'd like, I could reiterate my reiteration -- or you could just go to page 2 or 3 and find my original reiteration.

If I spent an extra hour buying random people willpower and crafting each of them gear -- then teaching them how to play their class, maybe they would be slightly better at the game. However, I'm not going to spend an hour so I can then go spend another hour doing something that should have taken 20 minutes max.

Ackwalan

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

When you ask a person a question, and they answer, even if the answer is vulgar and you don't agree with it, THAT'S not harassment.

Jeremy

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Paneross wrote: »

There's one too many lowbies that DONT want tk learn to. I tried to tell a lowbie not to spam spear shards, to let the DoT work it's effect. Did he listen? Nope.

I am so sick of hearing about this shards ability as if it some make or break ability that - if not used or used correctly - spells instant doom for the dungeon run. This ability seems to be one the biggest scapegoats on this game for other players to belittle or call others noobs over.

The damage over time effect on shards is barely consequential. It's not even worth arguing about - and any group who is reliant on the damage over time effect from shards sucks so bad they aren't going to be able to complete the dungeon even with Jesus's help.

In other words: all of these elite players who routinely freak out over this shards ability are doing nothing but embarrassing themselves. If these players love this ability so much or are so picky about how exactly it is used - then perhaps they should play a Templar and they should use it. But for crying out loud, give this shards obsession a rest.

Tizerak

Malamar1229 wrote: »

looks like the vast majority are in agreement that the penalty has to go for those who were kicked from a group. I cant think of one good reason to keep it as is.

Edit- to clarify, keep the penalty for those who join a group and then abandon the group themselves.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

I agree, there has to be some kind of middle ground that would appease both sides of the spectrum. Either have a 159 CP and under / 160 CP and above queue pools for LFG or only keep the timeout penalty for people that abandon, afk out, etc. or a combination of elements like these.

Tizerak

alephthiago wrote: »

You guys have no idea what most people have to deal with, im not even talking about low cp, im talking about bad players in general.
While i have never been kicked out of a dungeon or kicked anyone since i started doing them (cp 150) i will die defending the right to play the way people want, that being "full elitist that only plays with cp 561" or "i dont know *** and just want to be carried".

The dungeon finder tool is FINE the way it is, the only exception being the 5 person bug.

"I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes."

Are you out of your godamm mind? You asked that person why you got kicked and then REPORTED HIM FOR HARASSMENT BECAUSE YOU DIDNT LIKE HIS ANSWER?

Someone needs to create a guild called "Spoiled little *****" and invite all entitled kids to a safe environment where everyone has to put up with everything without complain.

Yup, you got me. I reported someone for abusing the system, having a BS reason for it, and locking me out of LFG because of a number beside my name. Call the cops.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I just wish there was an "english speaking only" option. I leave groups due to the language barrier more often than not

Tizerak

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Your choice,
You chose to go slower,
You chose to go MUCH slower by helping with gear after etc,
No one HAS to do what you do.

And before you or someone else goes "oh you sound charming" I actually help people quite a lot in this game. However this is not ABOUT me this is about the fundamental idea that what YOU and I chose to do means NOTHING because everyone uses group finder for THEIR OWN reasons.. not mine not yours.. stop telling people what they cant use a group finder for when it has no set rules.

I just wanted to say real quick that while I don't necessarily agree with the way you come across (which when it comes down it, the main issue being the LFG system, is irrelevant), I do completely agree with you that the LFG tool is there for whatever pace of completion or reason for being there a person wants it to be.

My issue is being kicked (5 man bug aside) and put into a 15 minute lockout for essentially a flaw in the system. If that lockout for the reason I was kicked didn't exist I wouldn't have posted at all because I could just jump back in and hope for a more like-minded group hopefully. Though I don't agree at all (personal opinion ofc) that people should be knee-jerked kicked from a group because of arbitrary numbers by their name; it's ultimately not the rest of that groups fault, it's the design of the LFG system that is the issue.

I don't agree with some of the posts in this thread that say to just don't use the LFG system or use guilds only, friends, etc. because nothing gets changed if no one speaks up or does something about it. I mean judging from the amount of responses to this thread and the tales people share from both sides of this discussion; they want a change to LFG system too, hopefully one that could appease people that use the LFG tool for whatever their purpose is.

I admit my OP was a bit ranty, but ultimately I made this thread to see what other people had to say / what experiences they have had with the LFG tool and maybe inspire a little call to change the LFG system (who knows maybe a dev or mod is watching this thread).

alexkdd99

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

So here you are talking as if you started this game knowing every dungeon mechanic and already a high Lvl CP. I'm gonna say this even if I a moderator has to edit this post and scold at me. You are a PRlCK, if you want to do a quick dungeon team up with your friends and go your merry way.

That way you don't take up unnecessary space in the group finder queue. New people get in this game every day and beasts like you only ruin their experience and give a bad name to the ESO community. Needless to say CP only does not make a player good. Knowledge of mechanics does, and that can be shared between players, unlike CP.

Or you could just use group finder and kick those who clearly should not be in the dungeon. If people wouldn't que for dungeons they shouldn't be in then it wouldn't be a problem.

There is a reason I have never been kicked from a group. It's because I didn't use group finder until there was no doubt I would not drag down the team. I personally don't want to be that guy who does that.

Like those under 100 CP players who I get thrown in vet dlc dungeons with. People need to stop dragging down the team when they aren't experienced enough for the content.

WhitePawPrints

Tizerak wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Your choice,
You chose to go slower,
You chose to go MUCH slower by helping with gear after etc,
No one HAS to do what you do.

And before you or someone else goes "oh you sound charming" I actually help people quite a lot in this game. However this is not ABOUT me this is about the fundamental idea that what YOU and I chose to do means NOTHING because everyone uses group finder for THEIR OWN reasons.. not mine not yours.. stop telling people what they cant use a group finder for when it has no set rules.

I just wanted to say real quick that while I don't necessarily agree with the way you come across (which when it comes down it, the main issue being the LFG system, is irrelevant), I do completely agree with you that the LFG tool is there for whatever pace of completion or reason for being there a person wants it to be.

My issue is being kicked (5 man bug aside) and put into a 15 minute lockout for essentially a flaw in the system. If that lockout for the reason I was kicked didn't exist I wouldn't have posted at all because I could just jump back in and hope for a more like-minded group hopefully. Though I don't agree at all (personal opinion ofc) that people should be knee-jerked kicked from a group because of arbitrary numbers by their name; it's ultimately not the rest of that groups fault, it's the design of the LFG system that is the issue.

I don't agree with some of the posts in this thread that say to just don't use the LFG system or use guilds only, friends, etc. because nothing gets changed if no one speaks up or does something about it. I mean judging from the amount of responses to this thread and the tales people share from both sides of this discussion; they want a change to LFG system too, hopefully one that could appease people that use the LFG tool for whatever their purpose is.

I admit my OP was a bit ranty, but ultimately I made this thread to see what other people had to say / what experiences they have had with the LFG tool and maybe inspire a little call to change the LFG system (who knows maybe a dev or mod is watching this thread).

No one is saying to not use the Group Finder tool. Anyone can use it for whatever purpose they want, but it comes with the expectation that you will be placed with players of various skill levels.

If you use the Group Finder tool with expectations that everyone will know the dungeon, and be optimized for their role, then you will be disappointed. That is why the suggestion to utilize friends and guilds is made, so that you know who you are playing with, know what to expect and are able to have a good time with them. At the same time you won't be growing frustrated and snarky with poor random players.

EDIT: And I do agree that the tool should be adjusted for Veteran dungeons. I have never tried, but Veteran Dungeons should require completion of the Normal Dungeons and to be over level 50.

Reverb

JimT722 wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Some people use the grouping tool made for anyone to have easy access to group content, and actually expect...

1. Skilled players
2. Fast runs

Reasonable? No. If people want a fast dungeon run with very talented players, this isn't the tool for you. Guilds are. Help people out. They will get better and may help others in turn.

Reasonable? Yes. If people want to learn or go slow run with others who willingly want to, this isnt the tool for you. Guilds are. Dont expect help from people who dont want to give it. You will annoy less people in turn.

Again.

...because new players looking for group content and don't have a guild won't hit a button that promises to find them people? A lot of runs I've done with group finder include people who don't know what to do. If I used group finder and only took skilled players, I would almost never complete anything.

Tizerak wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

You guys have no idea what most people have to deal with, im not even talking about low cp, im talking about bad players in general.
While i have never been kicked out of a dungeon or kicked anyone since i started doing them (cp 150) i will die defending the right to play the way people want, that being "full elitist that only plays with cp 561" or "i dont know *** and just want to be carried".

The dungeon finder tool is FINE the way it is, the only exception being the 5 person bug.

"I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes."

Are you out of your godamm mind? You asked that person why you got kicked and then REPORTED HIM FOR HARASSMENT BECAUSE YOU DIDNT LIKE HIS ANSWER?

Someone needs to create a guild called "Spoiled little *****" and invite all entitled kids to a safe environment where everyone has to put up with everything without complain.

Yup, you got me. I reported someone for abusing the system, having a BS reason for it, and locking me out of LFG because of a number beside my name. Call the cops.

That player didn't abuse the system. The vote option exists to kick a player only if the majority agrees it's the right decision for the party. The vote to kick you requires all three other members to agree for you to go. You don't get to decide if their reason is valid, and being the minority vote doesn't constitute harassment from the majority.

cpuScientist

negbert wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

What is it for?