Make nightblades cloak purge damage again please ZOS

bowmanz607

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

If a mag dk is spamming talons then fall back and wait for your opening. They dont have gap closer, so you can just kite them until your ready to attack. Also, the dot on that ability is trash. It really is not that good, so it makes me wonder if you are a vamp or have low cp or something. As a stam blade you should onot have a problem dodgerolling and getting out of talons range. CC them and then dodgeroll. or perhaps use shadow image, that way you can engage and disengage the mag dk when you want. You will be able to control the fight with that.You can also run immovable potions. or the heavy armor skill that grants immovable if you are really having that much trouble. It sounds to me like you simply have a problem fighting mag dk. find a friend and practice.

Well yes I am a vampire. I have high cp. I have all my cp.

You know what? It's okay though because I just got a magplar to level 50 and I have pretty much everything I need except 3 gear pieces and a few passives but I am still op. My heals are tough as nails, my poky stick is really strong, and I had no idea how overpowered that Jesus Beam is. That isn't even a class finisher. To call it a class finisher is dumb because of how op it is. Moral of the story I stopped playing my nightblade because I got kind of tired of dying all the time and being a glass cannon. That gets boring. I have a sorcerer as well. Probably won't play any of them until we begin to see a few changes.

If your a vamp them magdk are your worst enemy. Bottomline. Also, if your killing people with Jesus beam above execute range, that is on them, not on the class. They need to get more cp and better gear with impen. Jesus beam is a joke above execute range unless your incompetent. It is ev3n more a joke for anyone running purge or cloak

SilentBoomstick

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You obviously don't know how to play nb then if your just sitting in shadows and still having trouble. L2p issue mate.

Been playing nb since beta. Have been playing stam nb since stam sucked, nb sacked and dk rained supreme.

Aldo, temps are fine. I kill temps as a nb more than any other class. For awhile they were the worst for me. Then I practiced against my friends and rolled one to get to know them more. With practice I got bettet. Maybe you should think of that. Not every class needs the same thing. Temps are natural healers they should get to purge. Nb are not. Plus, any mag class can use purge.

Nb purge was over the top bottom line. You can say other classes are over the top. That is your opinion. But buffing a class because anot her is over performing is not the answer.

I can 1vx just fine on my nb. Heck for proof look at sypher. It is your own playstyle that needs work. Again, l2nb.

I have a lot of armor penetration with my weapons and also my cp plus I also use a sharpened maul so there's also that. I have played this class since the game came out on consoles and I have put so much freaking time into putting good gear on. I have a damn good setup but I die in like 4 hits with 2400 critical resistance. Critical resistance gives me like 50% more protection but what if I told you that even with 50% less damage from critical hits I'm still getting hit for half of those critical hits and it's a lot of damage. Let's put it at like 8k per attack with critical resistance. I get hit 4 times with attacks that deal 8k damage with 24k health well there goes all my health, plus my heals are really bad so it makes it damn near impossible for me to stay alive. For anyone to tell me that nightblades are easy to play because of cloak has some serious mental health issues because they usually tend to not admit that cloak is very unreliable. Maybe a case a delirium.

It is impossible to 1vx people wearing medium armor in this update. I know a guy that used to do it all the time and he was the best player you'd run into, got flawless conqueror on every single one of his characters, now he's telling me that it's impossible to 1vx people in this update because they are all wearing heavy armor. Now he just plays it as a ganker. However it is possible if you are a wannabe dk wearing proc sets. Then I will believe you.

Now as for a magplar. Oh well let me tell you this. I have played my nightblade for the past year, jumped from build to build, grabbed every passive necessary, put all my cp into the right places, and my all my gear golden yet I am still struggling and I am probably going to quit playing my nightblade because I am getting tired of how underpowered I feel dying in 4 hits with good burst, but then every other class has burst nowadays so what does it even matter? Now for my magplar, I only have my jewelry, my weapons, and my 5pc on the body. I still need my monster set (valkyn skoria). I am wearing 5 kagrenic's hope, 3 willpower all spell damage enchantments, 2 tougs pact (duel wield and sword and board). I am still wearing level 20 training head and shoulders. I don't have all my passives, no undaunted, my fighters guild and mages guild is not even at 10 yet, and I just started playing it this way like 5 days ago. Realize that I am missing out on a lot of stuff yet I am excelling way more than my nightblade and I have been playing my nightblade for the past year. People walk up to me and challenge me to a duel and I do really good at duels now. My heals are so powerful. It only take me like 1 honor the dead to get all my health back, my poky stick is really op, radiant destruction melts everything, My recovery is trash however my sustain is really really good because of my passives and my abilities. When I nightblade hits me with that major defile it still does not affect me because my heals are really op. Don't lie though. The number one class that I kill really easily are nightblades because I have that ability that pulls them out of stealth if they try to come and attack me plus I have a bunch of other stuff too. I could go on and on but I want to stop here because I'm sure you get the point.

Gothren wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if you can see mostly proctatos are not nb, but regarding to this "stealth" everyone cna use invisibility potions with this 45 sec cooldown

someone who gets it. suprised i dont see many use it. lol people think nightblades are the only one that can go invisible.

Yes other classes can use those potions but it is way more unreliable than cloak because anything and I really do mean anything can pull you out of stealth. Those are better for classes that are not a nightblade to go and do the thieves guild and dark brotherhood story line. Other than that they are really trash. I know a magicka nightblade that tells me he uses those which makes no sense because they can perma cloak.

bowmanz607

@SilentBoomstick

Yes, medium armor is squishy this patch. That is a result of all the process sets out there. I don't disagree with that. I also do not disagree that cloak can be unreliable. But you have missed my points.

Nb have skills and passives that reduce a large amount of incoming damage that work very well to mitigate damage to 1vx properlly. Again, you have cloak. Unreliable at times, sure, if you are trying to go invisible. However, you just need to activate it. That gives you 8% reduced damage for 5 seconds. Plus you get 5200 physical and spell resistance. Duration can be increased with heavy armor, so running 2 pc heavy is nice. With one button you get about 15% reduced damage. Then you have fear which r3duces damage by another 15% that is a total of about 30% damage reduction. From using 2 abilities. Just to make sure you understand. 30% reduction is about the same as capping out your armor and spell resist and you don't have to worry about people penetrating it.

You want more defense as a stam nb? Use other morph of double take and yet about 2% more damage reuction. But I don't really like that one.

You want more defense? Become a vamp. You can negate up to 50% more damage. Ofcourse mag dk will kick your but at times .

My point is that NB does have the ability to 1vx in medium when your properlly mitigating the damage. 1vx is 100% possible. Just because you and your friend can't do it does not mean it can't be done. I still 1vx no problem in medium armor. A bit tougher at times, but can still do it.

If your getting hit for 8k from every basic dps attack, then you have not properlly mitigated your damage. What are your resistance at? What have your CP been allotted into? How met cp you have? Are you using nb damage mitigation to your advantage? Are you using dodge chance? Are you using rally? Are you using vigor? Do you have pints into increased healing? Have you tried vamp? Are you using Los? Are you blocking timely? Are you dodging timely?

And why exactly are you dragging temps into this discussion. Your point is that you can't 1vx as a medium nb. So what does a mag templar have to do with it? Just to show you can 1vx on that class and not nb? Perhaps you are better suited for that class then. I have more trouble 1vx on my templar. I don't turn around and say templars suck. No. I just know nb are more my playstyle and I do better with them. And as a stam nb, I can destroy temps. I think I kill temps more than others with nb right behind them.

You say the number one class you kill is nb cause you can pull them out of stealth. Cool. You either exposed a ganker that is a galls cannon and will die when exposed or you faced someone who can't nb and start freaking out the minute they are exposed and don't know how to fight. A true nb is not just going to get killed just because they are no longer in stealth. A true nb knows how to fight. Especially in the current state where it can be rather difficult to stealth up.

But again, your point was to stam nb in medium armor. Don't see why mag templar is relevant in that discussion.

Bottom line is that stam nb in medium armor can still 1vx just fine if you know what you are doing.

SilentBoomstick

bowmanz607 wrote: »

@SilentBoomstick

Yes, medium armor is squishy this patch. That is a result of all the process sets out there. I don't disagree with that. I also do not disagree that cloak can be unreliable. But you have missed my points.

Nb have skills and passives that reduce a large amount of incoming damage that work very well to mitigate damage to 1vx properlly. Again, you have cloak. Unreliable at times, sure, if you are trying to go invisible. However, you just need to activate it. That gives you 8% reduced damage for 5 seconds. Plus you get 5200 physical and spell resistance. Duration can be increased with heavy armor, so running 2 pc heavy is nice. With one button you get about 15% reduced damage. Then you have fear which r3duces damage by another 15% that is a total of about 30% damage reduction. From using 2 abilities. Just to make sure you understand. 30% reduction is about the same as capping out your armor and spell resist and you don't have to worry about people penetrating it.

You want more defense as a stam nb? Use other morph of double take and yet about 2% more damage reuction. But I don't really like that one.

You want more defense? Become a vamp. You can negate up to 50% more damage. Ofcourse mag dk will kick your but at times .

My point is that NB does have the ability to 1vx in medium when your properlly mitigating the damage. 1vx is 100% possible. Just because you and your friend can't do it does not mean it can't be done. I still 1vx no problem in medium armor. A bit tougher at times, but can still do it.

If your getting hit for 8k from every basic dps attack, then you have not properlly mitigated your damage. What are your resistance at? What have your CP been allotted into? How met cp you have? Are you using nb damage mitigation to your advantage? Are you using dodge chance? Are you using rally? Are you using vigor? Do you have pints into increased healing? Have you tried vamp? Are you using Los? Are you blocking timely? Are you dodging timely?

And why exactly are you dragging temps into this discussion. Your point is that you can't 1vx as a medium nb. So what does a mag templar have to do with it? Just to show you can 1vx on that class and not nb? Perhaps you are better suited for that class then. I have more trouble 1vx on my templar. I don't turn around and say templars suck. No. I just know nb are more my playstyle and I do better with them. And as a stam nb, I can destroy temps. I think I kill temps more than others with nb right behind them.

You say the number one class you kill is nb cause you can pull them out of stealth. Cool. You either exposed a ganker that is a galls cannon and will die when exposed or you faced someone who can't nb and start freaking out the minute they are exposed and don't know how to fight. A true nb is not just going to get killed just because they are no longer in stealth. A true nb knows how to fight. Especially in the current state where it can be rather difficult to stealth up.

But again, your point was to stam nb in medium armor. Don't see why mag templar is relevant in that discussion.

Bottom line is that stam nb in medium armor can still 1vx just fine if you know what you are doing.

Okay so for gear I am using 2h and duel wield, 5 clever alchemist 4 on body 1 2h for buff purposes, 5 hundings rage 3 on body 2 duel wielding maces. CP I have 100 into mooncalf, 50 into warlord, 22 into tumbling, whatever is left I put into warlord so I don't remember the exact amount, 30 into blessed 100 into mighty, 20 into precise strikes, and the rest into piercing, 60 into hardy and 60 into elemental defender, 45 into quick recovery and the rest into resistant. I don't need that many points into resistance because I have all impen on anyways. I have a lot of points into increased healing so if I probably used those lingering health potions my heals would be very OP. When I buff up with clever alchemist, rally and also continuous attack I am sitting at 5.1k weapon damage with 36k maximum stamina, 24k health, and 1800 recovery using purple sharpened weapons. I see absolutely no point in making my gear golden and also people on my platform NA version are ripping people of for alloys so I have no interest in making them golden. I'm also using purple glyphs too because the amount of stamina you are missing out on is too insignificant to even care, plus my stats are already OP to begin with. Yes we do have all of those passives but you are still a glass cannon anyways. Using those abilities and calling them defense is equivalent to the ending of scarface, not going to get into details because of community guidelines. I bring a magplar into this because I just started playing one. I used to think they were total garbage because other magplars always told me that their heals were terrible with the 50% less healing debuff and also their Jesus Beam is a weak ability. Lol

I have the vigor, I have the rally, I have shuffle. At this point you really cannot convince me that I am doing anything wrong because I just told you I pretty much have everything I need to be "effective". You can't really expect to be efficient on a nightblade because you basically have to not take damage.This class is total garbage because we are the only class that will die in 4 hits with this fancy shmancy setup. I put an entire year into this one character and I still feel like it was a total waste of time. I should of played a magplar instead.

Darnathian

thankyourat wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this but please just hear me out. Magicka DKs were absolute trash 2 updates ago. Now they are top dog again with their really high burst. I can't kill them with their 30k physical resistance (probably exaggerating but they are still very tanky). Their damage is really high with all those dots they apply to me. I open up a death recap and I see the abilties I am getting hit with are like 6k (my health bar is 24k), they take absolutely no damage with their heavy armor meanwhile they are up in my face applying all these dots and I am wrecked in about 15 seconds. I have 2400 critical resistance 24k health 5.1k weapon damage 36k maximum stamina and 1800 recovery. My issue is that I can't heal through their damage and it's damn near impossible for me to avoid getting hit by them.

I have good stats but I can't kill them because of their tankiness. I use to laugh so hard when I would run into 531s in the last update that were wearing light armor as a magicka dk.

This ability was not cheap at all. Nerfing this ability was basically like taking batmans utility belt away. Also please add softcaps again. PLEASE!!!!

Alliance war>Support> Purge

Slot it.

Ok people who say slot purge are dam idiot's why would he use purge? He a stambuild he doesn't have enough magic to use purge ,cloak, siphoning, relentless and fear.Plus he have no way to reduce the magic cost of abilities unless he hurt his own recovery.Plus purge is very expensive even for a magic build.Their no reason for NB to not get purge back on cloak other than people just not liking the NB class.Their no reason why more classes shouldn't have a in class purge.

Plus the current version of cloak is so buggy the dots that its supposed to suppress breaks the ability and the dot does ridiculous damage to them.

Careful who you call idiots. Your are obviously not thinking of the history of balances that led to that change. If u revert cloak purging dots then u have to revert dodging whips at a minimum so that that one button does not hard counter magic dks and give some huge advantage. Maybe even the detection pots nerf as well.

As a Stam blade u have enough magic to cloak away and purge out of line of sight. Sorry you won't be able to kill everything.

This is much easier for a stamblade than it is for a magic user running out of stamina and dying instantly.

If that's the case they need to remove Templar purge as well.As you said we don't want one class hard countering magic do the best dueling class in game.DK have more Dots than just whip plus with the dodge roll Nerf it would be fine Stamblade will only dodge them with shuffle,which most wear heavy so it will only be up a second.

To your second point yes that might work if 1 cloak wasn't broken by just every attack when only AOE and specific abilities should, So as a stam NB I would have to purge before I cloak which cost a crap ton of magic when majority of stam blades even with tri-food only have 14-16k max even that.So if you actually knew what you were talking about the player would first have to Purge and hope the DK only have 2 dots on him,Trust me they will have more than 2.Next that NB will fear the Dk depending on how much stam the Dk have will break free rather quickly,Before that during the fear you try to dark cloak but wait those 2-3 other dots are still on you dam cloak breaks let me hurry and cloak again before he CC breaks,nope I have to purge those dots ,The Dk no longer CCed now he talon and whipping me let me fear him,ohhh crap I can't am out of magic.While still having Dots on me.That's how it will go.

Not the same. That's all it does for a templar is purge. Not make them disappear and gain damage modifiers and purge.

Templars get major mending from their purge as well as a snare so not only does it get rid of harmful effects it super charges their already super charged healing and reduces your movement speed. The purge on cloak was fine It gave nightblade a way to deal with a dk which other wise counters a nightblade. A mag dk should have no problems dealing with cloak with all the aoe's it has.

Problem was not just the dots. They made whip dodgeable. So that really became a hard counter to Magic DKs.

Darnathian

SadieJoan wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this but please just hear me out. Magicka DKs were absolute trash 2 updates ago. Now they are top dog again with their really high burst. I can't kill them with their 30k physical resistance (probably exaggerating but they are still very tanky). Their damage is really high with all those dots they apply to me. I open up a death recap and I see the abilties I am getting hit with are like 6k (my health bar is 24k), they take absolutely no damage with their heavy armor meanwhile they are up in my face applying all these dots and I am wrecked in about 15 seconds. I have 2400 critical resistance 24k health 5.1k weapon damage 36k maximum stamina and 1800 recovery. My issue is that I can't heal through their damage and it's damn near impossible for me to avoid getting hit by them.

I have good stats but I can't kill them because of their tankiness. I use to laugh so hard when I would run into 531s in the last update that were wearing light armor as a magicka dk.

This ability was not cheap at all. Nerfing this ability was basically like taking batmans utility belt away. Also please add softcaps again. PLEASE!!!!

I have never understood the complaints of a magicka dk... Back when templar were struggling, all of our threads would be hijacked by them saying how they are under powered too, I never saw it then and I definitely don't see it now. Magicka nightblades however... I don't play mine much but when I do I find them to be the weakest thing there is, they are the worst of the magicka classes and stamina outperforms magicka at the moment too so they are screwed really. I know a few magicka nightblades, and they don't play the game much anymore, I wonder why Even when people were complaining about them in the IC update, because they could stealth which was a perfect place for them to do so, they weren't OP, in comparison to other builds, just convenient.

Its not really funny though, zenimax are absolutely awful when it comes to balance, they nerf nightblade as a class, thinking only about stamina (as they do) and not giving a thought to how those nerfs make magicka versions weaker... If they really want to divide stamina and magicka so badly and yet keep balance, perhaps they should encourage players to choose some sort of branch from their class so that magicka and stamina skill lines can be kept separate in order to avoid gimping a certain class choosing to play either

L2P. Mag nbs weakest thing ever? I invite you to watch Blobsky. When played correctly they destroy dudes.

Darnathian

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You obviously don't know how to play nb then if your just sitting in shadows and still having trouble. L2p issue mate.

Been playing nb since beta. Have been playing stam nb since stam sucked, nb sacked and dk rained supreme.

Aldo, temps are fine. I kill temps as a nb more than any other class. For awhile they were the worst for me. Then I practiced against my friends and rolled one to get to know them more. With practice I got bettet. Maybe you should think of that. Not every class needs the same thing. Temps are natural healers they should get to purge. Nb are not. Plus, any mag class can use purge.

Nb purge was over the top bottom line. You can say other classes are over the top. That is your opinion. But buffing a class because anot her is over performing is not the answer.

I can 1vx just fine on my nb. Heck for proof look at sypher. It is your own playstyle that needs work. Again, l2nb.

I have a lot of armor penetration with my weapons and also my cp plus I also use a sharpened maul so there's also that. I have played this class since the game came out on consoles and I have put so much freaking time into putting good gear on. I have a damn good setup but I die in like 4 hits with 2400 critical resistance. Critical resistance gives me like 50% more protection but what if I told you that even with 50% less damage from critical hits I'm still getting hit for half of those critical hits and it's a lot of damage. Let's put it at like 8k per attack with critical resistance. I get hit 4 times with attacks that deal 8k damage with 24k health well there goes all my health, plus my heals are really bad so it makes it damn near impossible for me to stay alive. For anyone to tell me that nightblades are easy to play because of cloak has some serious mental health issues because they usually tend to not admit that cloak is very unreliable. Maybe a case a delirium.

It is impossible to 1vx people wearing medium armor in this update. I know a guy that used to do it all the time and he was the best player you'd run into, got flawless conqueror on every single one of his characters, now he's telling me that it's impossible to 1vx people in this update because they are all wearing heavy armor. Now he just plays it as a ganker. However it is possible if you are a wannabe dk wearing proc sets. Then I will believe you.

Now as for a magplar. Oh well let me tell you this. I have played my nightblade for the past year, jumped from build to build, grabbed every passive necessary, put all my cp into the right places, and my all my gear golden yet I am still struggling and I am probably going to quit playing my nightblade because I am getting tired of how underpowered I feel dying in 4 hits with good burst, but then every other class has burst nowadays so what does it even matter? Now for my magplar, I only have my jewelry, my weapons, and my 5pc on the body. I still need my monster set (valkyn skoria). I am wearing 5 kagrenic's hope, 3 willpower all spell damage enchantments, 2 tougs pact (duel wield and sword and board). I am still wearing level 20 training head and shoulders. I don't have all my passives, no undaunted, my fighters guild and mages guild is not even at 10 yet, and I just started playing it this way like 5 days ago. Realize that I am missing out on a lot of stuff yet I am excelling way more than my nightblade and I have been playing my nightblade for the past year. People walk up to me and challenge me to a duel and I do really good at duels now. My heals are so powerful. It only take me like 1 honor the dead to get all my health back, my poky stick is really op, radiant destruction melts everything, My recovery is trash however my sustain is really really good because of my passives and my abilities. When I nightblade hits me with that major defile it still does not affect me because my heals are really op. Don't lie though. The number one class that I kill really easily are nightblades because I have that ability that pulls them out of stealth if they try to come and attack me plus I have a bunch of other stuff too. I could go on and on but I want to stop here because I'm sure you get the point.

Gothren wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if you can see mostly proctatos are not nb, but regarding to this "stealth" everyone cna use invisibility potions with this 45 sec cooldown

someone who gets it. suprised i dont see many use it. lol people think nightblades are the only one that can go invisible.

Yes other classes can use those potions but it is way more unreliable than cloak because anything and I really do mean anything can pull you out of stealth. Those are better for classes that are not a nightblade to go and do the thieves guild and dark brotherhood story line. Other than that they are really trash. I know a magicka nightblade that tells me he uses those which makes no sense because they can perma cloak.

No one get yours point. U just keep whining. L2p and stop asking for uneeded nerfs and buffs. Not being able to 1vx does not mean your class is weak.

thankyourat

Darnathian wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this but please just hear me out. Magicka DKs were absolute trash 2 updates ago. Now they are top dog again with their really high burst. I can't kill them with their 30k physical resistance (probably exaggerating but they are still very tanky). Their damage is really high with all those dots they apply to me. I open up a death recap and I see the abilties I am getting hit with are like 6k (my health bar is 24k), they take absolutely no damage with their heavy armor meanwhile they are up in my face applying all these dots and I am wrecked in about 15 seconds. I have 2400 critical resistance 24k health 5.1k weapon damage 36k maximum stamina and 1800 recovery. My issue is that I can't heal through their damage and it's damn near impossible for me to avoid getting hit by them.

I have good stats but I can't kill them because of their tankiness. I use to laugh so hard when I would run into 531s in the last update that were wearing light armor as a magicka dk.

This ability was not cheap at all. Nerfing this ability was basically like taking batmans utility belt away. Also please add softcaps again. PLEASE!!!!

I have never understood the complaints of a magicka dk... Back when templar were struggling, all of our threads would be hijacked by them saying how they are under powered too, I never saw it then and I definitely don't see it now. Magicka nightblades however... I don't play mine much but when I do I find them to be the weakest thing there is, they are the worst of the magicka classes and stamina outperforms magicka at the moment too so they are screwed really. I know a few magicka nightblades, and they don't play the game much anymore, I wonder why Even when people were complaining about them in the IC update, because they could stealth which was a perfect place for them to do so, they weren't OP, in comparison to other builds, just convenient.

Its not really funny though, zenimax are absolutely awful when it comes to balance, they nerf nightblade as a class, thinking only about stamina (as they do) and not giving a thought to how those nerfs make magicka versions weaker... If they really want to divide stamina and magicka so badly and yet keep balance, perhaps they should encourage players to choose some sort of branch from their class so that magicka and stamina skill lines can be kept separate in order to avoid gimping a certain class choosing to play either

L2P. Mag nbs weakest thing ever? I invite you to watch Blobsky. When played correctly they destroy dudes.

Blobsky could play any class, and probably beat anyone

Jaronking

Darnathian wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You obviously don't know how to play nb then if your just sitting in shadows and still having trouble. L2p issue mate.

Been playing nb since beta. Have been playing stam nb since stam sucked, nb sacked and dk rained supreme.

Aldo, temps are fine. I kill temps as a nb more than any other class. For awhile they were the worst for me. Then I practiced against my friends and rolled one to get to know them more. With practice I got bettet. Maybe you should think of that. Not every class needs the same thing. Temps are natural healers they should get to purge. Nb are not. Plus, any mag class can use purge.

Nb purge was over the top bottom line. You can say other classes are over the top. That is your opinion. But buffing a class because anot her is over performing is not the answer.

I can 1vx just fine on my nb. Heck for proof look at sypher. It is your own playstyle that needs work. Again, l2nb.

I have a lot of armor penetration with my weapons and also my cp plus I also use a sharpened maul so there's also that. I have played this class since the game came out on consoles and I have put so much freaking time into putting good gear on. I have a damn good setup but I die in like 4 hits with 2400 critical resistance. Critical resistance gives me like 50% more protection but what if I told you that even with 50% less damage from critical hits I'm still getting hit for half of those critical hits and it's a lot of damage. Let's put it at like 8k per attack with critical resistance. I get hit 4 times with attacks that deal 8k damage with 24k health well there goes all my health, plus my heals are really bad so it makes it damn near impossible for me to stay alive. For anyone to tell me that nightblades are easy to play because of cloak has some serious mental health issues because they usually tend to not admit that cloak is very unreliable. Maybe a case a delirium.

It is impossible to 1vx people wearing medium armor in this update. I know a guy that used to do it all the time and he was the best player you'd run into, got flawless conqueror on every single one of his characters, now he's telling me that it's impossible to 1vx people in this update because they are all wearing heavy armor. Now he just plays it as a ganker. However it is possible if you are a wannabe dk wearing proc sets. Then I will believe you.

Now as for a magplar. Oh well let me tell you this. I have played my nightblade for the past year, jumped from build to build, grabbed every passive necessary, put all my cp into the right places, and my all my gear golden yet I am still struggling and I am probably going to quit playing my nightblade because I am getting tired of how underpowered I feel dying in 4 hits with good burst, but then every other class has burst nowadays so what does it even matter? Now for my magplar, I only have my jewelry, my weapons, and my 5pc on the body. I still need my monster set (valkyn skoria). I am wearing 5 kagrenic's hope, 3 willpower all spell damage enchantments, 2 tougs pact (duel wield and sword and board). I am still wearing level 20 training head and shoulders. I don't have all my passives, no undaunted, my fighters guild and mages guild is not even at 10 yet, and I just started playing it this way like 5 days ago. Realize that I am missing out on a lot of stuff yet I am excelling way more than my nightblade and I have been playing my nightblade for the past year. People walk up to me and challenge me to a duel and I do really good at duels now. My heals are so powerful. It only take me like 1 honor the dead to get all my health back, my poky stick is really op, radiant destruction melts everything, My recovery is trash however my sustain is really really good because of my passives and my abilities. When I nightblade hits me with that major defile it still does not affect me because my heals are really op. Don't lie though. The number one class that I kill really easily are nightblades because I have that ability that pulls them out of stealth if they try to come and attack me plus I have a bunch of other stuff too. I could go on and on but I want to stop here because I'm sure you get the point.

Gothren wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if you can see mostly proctatos are not nb, but regarding to this "stealth" everyone cna use invisibility potions with this 45 sec cooldown

someone who gets it. suprised i dont see many use it. lol people think nightblades are the only one that can go invisible.

Yes other classes can use those potions but it is way more unreliable than cloak because anything and I really do mean anything can pull you out of stealth. Those are better for classes that are not a nightblade to go and do the thieves guild and dark brotherhood story line. Other than that they are really trash. I know a magicka nightblade that tells me he uses those which makes no sense because they can perma cloak.

No one get yours point. U just keep whining. L2p and stop asking for uneeded nerfs and buffs. Not being able to 1vx does not mean your class is weak.

I get his point.He right NB are the squishiest class in the game and dots eat us.Why shouldn't he play a magplar when they have better healing defense and are not affected by resource poisons when every other class and spec have no access to a purge.

kaithuzar

Let me correct the night blades are weak statement. Nightblades and especially magica night Blades are referred to as being " difficult to play ". Meaning a new player could pick up any other class on any other toon except magica night Blade & be fairly successful at PVP.
Playing a magnb is basically gimping yourself; you are pretty much playing the game on hard mode at that point. Sure there are people that can do it and I'm one of them but it doesn't mean we never die, and it definitely doesn't mean magicka nb is viable or "in a good position"; because it's not. So telling someone to get good at mag nb isn't a realistic statement to me; it requires more work than most other classes when it comes to PVP.

People on this thread keep talking about nb changes but then they say " well on my STAM nb"...
& if not its "I haven't touched my magblade since IC"...
Go play magnb in pvp then come back & post please b/c I would really like to hear & talk about other people's experiences!

SilentBoomstick

Gothren wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

No one get yours point. U just keep whining. L2p and stop asking for uneeded nerfs and buffs. Not being able to 1vx does not mean your class is weak.

L2P? Are you joking? I have "learned to play" by putting a year of effort into this class only for it to be a huge failure because I am tired of being a freaking glass cannon. I do damage but hey every other class can put out damage as well including stamina dragonknights as well. I don't want to die in 4 hits anymore and have to worry about someone in heavy armor getting right back up and killing me after a failed gank. I don't want to spend anymore gold on this character for gear jumping from build to build and never really finding anything that I feel effective with. Why should anybody play this really hard to play class that has almost no sustain (do not tell me I have defense because you need to read my previous comments). What is the point of playing a glass cannon with insane burst when you can have good burst and high sustain/versatile/can do anything?

I'm starting to regret making my main character a nightblade because of how much time and energy I have wasted on this character.

leepalmer95

Jaronking wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You obviously don't know how to play nb then if your just sitting in shadows and still having trouble. L2p issue mate.

Been playing nb since beta. Have been playing stam nb since stam sucked, nb sacked and dk rained supreme.

Aldo, temps are fine. I kill temps as a nb more than any other class. For awhile they were the worst for me. Then I practiced against my friends and rolled one to get to know them more. With practice I got bettet. Maybe you should think of that. Not every class needs the same thing. Temps are natural healers they should get to purge. Nb are not. Plus, any mag class can use purge.

Nb purge was over the top bottom line. You can say other classes are over the top. That is your opinion. But buffing a class because anot her is over performing is not the answer.

I can 1vx just fine on my nb. Heck for proof look at sypher. It is your own playstyle that needs work. Again, l2nb.

I have a lot of armor penetration with my weapons and also my cp plus I also use a sharpened maul so there's also that. I have played this class since the game came out on consoles and I have put so much freaking time into putting good gear on. I have a damn good setup but I die in like 4 hits with 2400 critical resistance. Critical resistance gives me like 50% more protection but what if I told you that even with 50% less damage from critical hits I'm still getting hit for half of those critical hits and it's a lot of damage. Let's put it at like 8k per attack with critical resistance. I get hit 4 times with attacks that deal 8k damage with 24k health well there goes all my health, plus my heals are really bad so it makes it damn near impossible for me to stay alive. For anyone to tell me that nightblades are easy to play because of cloak has some serious mental health issues because they usually tend to not admit that cloak is very unreliable. Maybe a case a delirium.

It is impossible to 1vx people wearing medium armor in this update. I know a guy that used to do it all the time and he was the best player you'd run into, got flawless conqueror on every single one of his characters, now he's telling me that it's impossible to 1vx people in this update because they are all wearing heavy armor. Now he just plays it as a ganker. However it is possible if you are a wannabe dk wearing proc sets. Then I will believe you.

Now as for a magplar. Oh well let me tell you this. I have played my nightblade for the past year, jumped from build to build, grabbed every passive necessary, put all my cp into the right places, and my all my gear golden yet I am still struggling and I am probably going to quit playing my nightblade because I am getting tired of how underpowered I feel dying in 4 hits with good burst, but then every other class has burst nowadays so what does it even matter? Now for my magplar, I only have my jewelry, my weapons, and my 5pc on the body. I still need my monster set (valkyn skoria). I am wearing 5 kagrenic's hope, 3 willpower all spell damage enchantments, 2 tougs pact (duel wield and sword and board). I am still wearing level 20 training head and shoulders. I don't have all my passives, no undaunted, my fighters guild and mages guild is not even at 10 yet, and I just started playing it this way like 5 days ago. Realize that I am missing out on a lot of stuff yet I am excelling way more than my nightblade and I have been playing my nightblade for the past year. People walk up to me and challenge me to a duel and I do really good at duels now. My heals are so powerful. It only take me like 1 honor the dead to get all my health back, my poky stick is really op, radiant destruction melts everything, My recovery is trash however my sustain is really really good because of my passives and my abilities. When I nightblade hits me with that major defile it still does not affect me because my heals are really op. Don't lie though. The number one class that I kill really easily are nightblades because I have that ability that pulls them out of stealth if they try to come and attack me plus I have a bunch of other stuff too. I could go on and on but I want to stop here because I'm sure you get the point.

Gothren wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if you can see mostly proctatos are not nb, but regarding to this "stealth" everyone cna use invisibility potions with this 45 sec cooldown

someone who gets it. suprised i dont see many use it. lol people think nightblades are the only one that can go invisible.

Yes other classes can use those potions but it is way more unreliable than cloak because anything and I really do mean anything can pull you out of stealth. Those are better for classes that are not a nightblade to go and do the thieves guild and dark brotherhood story line. Other than that they are really trash. I know a magicka nightblade that tells me he uses those which makes no sense because they can perma cloak.

No one get yours point. U just keep whining. L2p and stop asking for uneeded nerfs and buffs. Not being able to 1vx does not mean your class is weak.

I get his point.He right NB are the squishiest class in the game and dots eat us.Why shouldn't he play a magplar when they have better healing defense and are not affected by resource poisons when every other class and spec have no access to a purge.

Your squishy if you build squishy, try a s&b heavy build.

leepalmer95

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

@SilentBoomstick

Yes, medium armor is squishy this patch. That is a result of all the process sets out there. I don't disagree with that. I also do not disagree that cloak can be unreliable. But you have missed my points.

Nb have skills and passives that reduce a large amount of incoming damage that work very well to mitigate damage to 1vx properlly. Again, you have cloak. Unreliable at times, sure, if you are trying to go invisible. However, you just need to activate it. That gives you 8% reduced damage for 5 seconds. Plus you get 5200 physical and spell resistance. Duration can be increased with heavy armor, so running 2 pc heavy is nice. With one button you get about 15% reduced damage. Then you have fear which r3duces damage by another 15% that is a total of about 30% damage reduction. From using 2 abilities. Just to make sure you understand. 30% reduction is about the same as capping out your armor and spell resist and you don't have to worry about people penetrating it.

You want more defense as a stam nb? Use other morph of double take and yet about 2% more damage reuction. But I don't really like that one.

You want more defense? Become a vamp. You can negate up to 50% more damage. Ofcourse mag dk will kick your but at times .

My point is that NB does have the ability to 1vx in medium when your properlly mitigating the damage. 1vx is 100% possible. Just because you and your friend can't do it does not mean it can't be done. I still 1vx no problem in medium armor. A bit tougher at times, but can still do it.

If your getting hit for 8k from every basic dps attack, then you have not properlly mitigated your damage. What are your resistance at? What have your CP been allotted into? How met cp you have? Are you using nb damage mitigation to your advantage? Are you using dodge chance? Are you using rally? Are you using vigor? Do you have pints into increased healing? Have you tried vamp? Are you using Los? Are you blocking timely? Are you dodging timely?

And why exactly are you dragging temps into this discussion. Your point is that you can't 1vx as a medium nb. So what does a mag templar have to do with it? Just to show you can 1vx on that class and not nb? Perhaps you are better suited for that class then. I have more trouble 1vx on my templar. I don't turn around and say templars suck. No. I just know nb are more my playstyle and I do better with them. And as a stam nb, I can destroy temps. I think I kill temps more than others with nb right behind them.

You say the number one class you kill is nb cause you can pull them out of stealth. Cool. You either exposed a ganker that is a galls cannon and will die when exposed or you faced someone who can't nb and start freaking out the minute they are exposed and don't know how to fight. A true nb is not just going to get killed just because they are no longer in stealth. A true nb knows how to fight. Especially in the current state where it can be rather difficult to stealth up.

But again, your point was to stam nb in medium armor. Don't see why mag templar is relevant in that discussion.

Bottom line is that stam nb in medium armor can still 1vx just fine if you know what you are doing.

Okay so for gear I am using 2h and duel wield, 5 clever alchemist 4 on body 1 2h for buff purposes, 5 hundings rage 3 on body 2 duel wielding maces. CP I have 100 into mooncalf, 50 into warlord, 22 into tumbling, whatever is left I put into warlord so I don't remember the exact amount, 30 into blessed 100 into mighty, 20 into precise strikes, and the rest into piercing, 60 into hardy and 60 into elemental defender, 45 into quick recovery and the rest into resistant. I don't need that many points into resistance because I have all impen on anyways. I have a lot of points into increased healing so if I probably used those lingering health potions my heals would be very OP. When I buff up with clever alchemist, rally and also continuous attack I am sitting at 5.1k weapon damage with 36k maximum stamina, 24k health, and 1800 recovery using purple sharpened weapons. I see absolutely no point in making my gear golden and also people on my platform NA version are ripping people of for alloys so I have no interest in making them golden. I'm also using purple glyphs too because the amount of stamina you are missing out on is too insignificant to even care, plus my stats are already OP to begin with. Yes we do have all of those passives but you are still a glass cannon anyways. Using those abilities and calling them defense is equivalent to the ending of scarface, not going to get into details because of community guidelines. I bring a magplar into this because I just started playing one. I used to think they were total garbage because other magplars always told me that their heals were terrible with the 50% less healing debuff and also their Jesus Beam is a weak ability. Lol

I have the vigor, I have the rally, I have shuffle. At this point you really cannot convince me that I am doing anything wrong because I just told you I pretty much have everything I need to be "effective". You can't really expect to be efficient on a nightblade because you basically have to not take damage.This class is total garbage because we are the only class that will die in 4 hits with this fancy shmancy setup. I put an entire year into this one character and I still feel like it was a total waste of time. I should of played a magplar instead.

Also as a nb you should throw more into crit dmg then penetration, your have built in crit chance and crit dmg, you need to capitalise on that.

Now if you have 'everything' else like you say you have and your still not doing good then it's a L2P issue. Maybe your not ani cancelling right, your not healing right, your build is bad? Which it is btw. Pre buffed stat sheets aren't everything, try telling us your stats without alch proc or continuous. Because your weapon dmg is going to take a hit, your regen is going to take a hit and the 1500/1600 regen you have without alc is not enough..

Try going 2h/bow so you have actual mobility via bow and a ranged option. Go 2 veli/ 5x viper/4x markmen. That was you have enough burst via proc's, you have mobility and ranged and are capable of bursting even those heavy users.

The rest is up to you, go google how to play a nb.

Edziu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You obviously don't know how to play nb then if your just sitting in shadows and still having trouble. L2p issue mate.

Been playing nb since beta. Have been playing stam nb since stam sucked, nb sacked and dk rained supreme.

Aldo, temps are fine. I kill temps as a nb more than any other class. For awhile they were the worst for me. Then I practiced against my friends and rolled one to get to know them more. With practice I got bettet. Maybe you should think of that. Not every class needs the same thing. Temps are natural healers they should get to purge. Nb are not. Plus, any mag class can use purge.

Nb purge was over the top bottom line. You can say other classes are over the top. That is your opinion. But buffing a class because anot her is over performing is not the answer.

I can 1vx just fine on my nb. Heck for proof look at sypher. It is your own playstyle that needs work. Again, l2nb.

I have a lot of armor penetration with my weapons and also my cp plus I also use a sharpened maul so there's also that. I have played this class since the game came out on consoles and I have put so much freaking time into putting good gear on. I have a damn good setup but I die in like 4 hits with 2400 critical resistance. Critical resistance gives me like 50% more protection but what if I told you that even with 50% less damage from critical hits I'm still getting hit for half of those critical hits and it's a lot of damage. Let's put it at like 8k per attack with critical resistance. I get hit 4 times with attacks that deal 8k damage with 24k health well there goes all my health, plus my heals are really bad so it makes it damn near impossible for me to stay alive. For anyone to tell me that nightblades are easy to play because of cloak has some serious mental health issues because they usually tend to not admit that cloak is very unreliable. Maybe a case a delirium.

It is impossible to 1vx people wearing medium armor in this update. I know a guy that used to do it all the time and he was the best player you'd run into, got flawless conqueror on every single one of his characters, now he's telling me that it's impossible to 1vx people in this update because they are all wearing heavy armor. Now he just plays it as a ganker. However it is possible if you are a wannabe dk wearing proc sets. Then I will believe you.

Now as for a magplar. Oh well let me tell you this. I have played my nightblade for the past year, jumped from build to build, grabbed every passive necessary, put all my cp into the right places, and my all my gear golden yet I am still struggling and I am probably going to quit playing my nightblade because I am getting tired of how underpowered I feel dying in 4 hits with good burst, but then every other class has burst nowadays so what does it even matter? Now for my magplar, I only have my jewelry, my weapons, and my 5pc on the body. I still need my monster set (valkyn skoria). I am wearing 5 kagrenic's hope, 3 willpower all spell damage enchantments, 2 tougs pact (duel wield and sword and board). I am still wearing level 20 training head and shoulders. I don't have all my passives, no undaunted, my fighters guild and mages guild is not even at 10 yet, and I just started playing it this way like 5 days ago. Realize that I am missing out on a lot of stuff yet I am excelling way more than my nightblade and I have been playing my nightblade for the past year. People walk up to me and challenge me to a duel and I do really good at duels now. My heals are so powerful. It only take me like 1 honor the dead to get all my health back, my poky stick is really op, radiant destruction melts everything, My recovery is trash however my sustain is really really good because of my passives and my abilities. When I nightblade hits me with that major defile it still does not affect me because my heals are really op. Don't lie though. The number one class that I kill really easily are nightblades because I have that ability that pulls them out of stealth if they try to come and attack me plus I have a bunch of other stuff too. I could go on and on but I want to stop here because I'm sure you get the point.

Gothren wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if you can see mostly proctatos are not nb, but regarding to this "stealth" everyone cna use invisibility potions with this 45 sec cooldown

someone who gets it. suprised i dont see many use it. lol people think nightblades are the only one that can go invisible.

Yes other classes can use those potions but it is way more unreliable than cloak because anything and I really do mean anything can pull you out of stealth. Those are better for classes that are not a nightblade to go and do the thieves guild and dark brotherhood story line. Other than that they are really trash. I know a magicka nightblade that tells me he uses those which makes no sense because they can perma cloak.

No one get yours point. U just keep whining. L2p and stop asking for uneeded nerfs and buffs. Not being able to 1vx does not mean your class is weak.

I get his point.He right NB are the squishiest class in the game and dots eat us.Why shouldn't he play a magplar when they have better healing defense and are not affected by resource poisons when every other class and spec have no access to a purge.

Your squishy if you build squishy, try a s&b heavy build.

stupid heavy armor meta....give me damn more proc sets and unblockable ults to rekt those annyoing scrub tanks

Jaronking

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You obviously don't know how to play nb then if your just sitting in shadows and still having trouble. L2p issue mate.

Been playing nb since beta. Have been playing stam nb since stam sucked, nb sacked and dk rained supreme.

Aldo, temps are fine. I kill temps as a nb more than any other class. For awhile they were the worst for me. Then I practiced against my friends and rolled one to get to know them more. With practice I got bettet. Maybe you should think of that. Not every class needs the same thing. Temps are natural healers they should get to purge. Nb are not. Plus, any mag class can use purge.

Nb purge was over the top bottom line. You can say other classes are over the top. That is your opinion. But buffing a class because anot her is over performing is not the answer.

I can 1vx just fine on my nb. Heck for proof look at sypher. It is your own playstyle that needs work. Again, l2nb.

I have a lot of armor penetration with my weapons and also my cp plus I also use a sharpened maul so there's also that. I have played this class since the game came out on consoles and I have put so much freaking time into putting good gear on. I have a damn good setup but I die in like 4 hits with 2400 critical resistance. Critical resistance gives me like 50% more protection but what if I told you that even with 50% less damage from critical hits I'm still getting hit for half of those critical hits and it's a lot of damage. Let's put it at like 8k per attack with critical resistance. I get hit 4 times with attacks that deal 8k damage with 24k health well there goes all my health, plus my heals are really bad so it makes it damn near impossible for me to stay alive. For anyone to tell me that nightblades are easy to play because of cloak has some serious mental health issues because they usually tend to not admit that cloak is very unreliable. Maybe a case a delirium.

It is impossible to 1vx people wearing medium armor in this update. I know a guy that used to do it all the time and he was the best player you'd run into, got flawless conqueror on every single one of his characters, now he's telling me that it's impossible to 1vx people in this update because they are all wearing heavy armor. Now he just plays it as a ganker. However it is possible if you are a wannabe dk wearing proc sets. Then I will believe you.

Now as for a magplar. Oh well let me tell you this. I have played my nightblade for the past year, jumped from build to build, grabbed every passive necessary, put all my cp into the right places, and my all my gear golden yet I am still struggling and I am probably going to quit playing my nightblade because I am getting tired of how underpowered I feel dying in 4 hits with good burst, but then every other class has burst nowadays so what does it even matter? Now for my magplar, I only have my jewelry, my weapons, and my 5pc on the body. I still need my monster set (valkyn skoria). I am wearing 5 kagrenic's hope, 3 willpower all spell damage enchantments, 2 tougs pact (duel wield and sword and board). I am still wearing level 20 training head and shoulders. I don't have all my passives, no undaunted, my fighters guild and mages guild is not even at 10 yet, and I just started playing it this way like 5 days ago. Realize that I am missing out on a lot of stuff yet I am excelling way more than my nightblade and I have been playing my nightblade for the past year. People walk up to me and challenge me to a duel and I do really good at duels now. My heals are so powerful. It only take me like 1 honor the dead to get all my health back, my poky stick is really op, radiant destruction melts everything, My recovery is trash however my sustain is really really good because of my passives and my abilities. When I nightblade hits me with that major defile it still does not affect me because my heals are really op. Don't lie though. The number one class that I kill really easily are nightblades because I have that ability that pulls them out of stealth if they try to come and attack me plus I have a bunch of other stuff too. I could go on and on but I want to stop here because I'm sure you get the point.

Gothren wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

if you can see mostly proctatos are not nb, but regarding to this "stealth" everyone cna use invisibility potions with this 45 sec cooldown

someone who gets it. suprised i dont see many use it. lol people think nightblades are the only one that can go invisible.

Yes other classes can use those potions but it is way more unreliable than cloak because anything and I really do mean anything can pull you out of stealth. Those are better for classes that are not a nightblade to go and do the thieves guild and dark brotherhood story line. Other than that they are really trash. I know a magicka nightblade that tells me he uses those which makes no sense because they can perma cloak.

No one get yours point. U just keep whining. L2p and stop asking for uneeded nerfs and buffs. Not being able to 1vx does not mean your class is weak.

I get his point.He right NB are the squishiest class in the game and dots eat us.Why shouldn't he play a magplar when they have better healing defense and are not affected by resource poisons when every other class and spec have no access to a purge.

Your squishy if you build squishy, try a s&b heavy build.

Well fun you mentioned that everyone on Xbox NA could me stupid for running S&b on my nB before TG.Now that I Run BS 3 agility 2 Night silence with 2 blood spawn. My NB haven't been squishy for a long time.I Can't wait for them to make Black rose drop weapon and jewelry or I get the jewelry and S&B of the pentration set.

SilentBoomstick

Jaronking wrote: »

Well fun you mentioned that everyone on Xbox NA could me stupid for running S&b on my nB before TG.Now that I Run BS 3 agility 2 Night silence with 2 blood spawn. My NB haven't been squishy for a long time.I Can't wait for them to make Black rose drop weapon and jewelry or I get the jewelry and S&B of the pentration set.

Bahh!