Make nightblades cloak purge damage again please ZOS

SilentBoomstick

I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this but please just hear me out. Magicka DKs were absolute trash 2 updates ago. Now they are top dog again with their really high burst. I can't kill them with their 30k physical resistance (probably exaggerating but they are still very tanky). Their damage is really high with all those dots they apply to me. I open up a death recap and I see the abilties I am getting hit with are like 6k (my health bar is 24k), they take absolutely no damage with their heavy armor meanwhile they are up in my face applying all these dots and I am wrecked in about 15 seconds. I have 2400 critical resistance 24k health 5.1k weapon damage 36k maximum stamina and 1800 recovery. My issue is that I can't heal through their damage and it's damn near impossible for me to avoid getting hit by them.

I have good stats but I can't kill them because of their tankiness. I use to laugh so hard when I would run into 531s in the last update that were wearing light armor as a magicka dk.

This ability was not cheap at all. Nerfing this ability was basically like taking batmans utility belt away. Also please add softcaps again. PLEASE!!!!

AzuraKin

if they hitting you with abilities for 6k, i can sure as hell tell you they aint tanky, they just built right. you probably running around in divine/infused gear 11-16k resist and complaining that you you cannot take a hit cause of it.

OurOwn

Lol your problem is that you're using clever alchemist and trying to fight a sustained fight against a dk.

BurritoESO

Is this supposed to be a joke

duuude9192b14_ESO

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Magicka DKs were absolute trash 2 updates ago. Now they are top dog again with their really high burst.

It's unfortunate that you can't farm "lol" badges anymore. You'd have gotten quite a few from this post.

thankyourat

If they are running a dueling build and you aren't you are going to lose a 1v1 you may want to invest in some heavy armor or go sword and board on your front bar

Derra

tbh i think templar purge should be nerfed aswell instead of giving NB their purge back.

given their potential power (class)purge abilities in this game are far too cheap and spammable.

leepalmer95

If their running 20k resistances then they are heavy s&B and wont be bursting you anytime soon.

NBrookus

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this but please just hear me out. Magicka DKs were absolute trash 2 updates ago. Now they are top dog again with their really high burst. I can't kill them with their 30k physical resistance (probably exaggerating but they are still very tanky). Their damage is really high with all those dots they apply to me. I open up a death recap and I see the abilties I am getting hit with are like 6k (my health bar is 24k), they take absolutely no damage with their heavy armor meanwhile they are up in my face applying all these dots and I am wrecked in about 15 seconds. I have 2400 critical resistance 24k health 5.1k weapon damage 36k maximum stamina and 1800 recovery. My issue is that I can't heal through their damage and it's damn near impossible for me to avoid getting hit by them.

I have good stats but I can't kill them because of their tankiness. I use to laugh so hard when I would run into 531s in the last update that were wearing light armor as a magicka dk.

This ability was not cheap at all. Nerfing this ability was basically like taking batmans utility belt away. Also please add softcaps again. PLEASE!!!!

LOL.

1) DoTs != burst. I assure you, no heavy armor DK is running 5.1k spell damage, 36k magicka and 1800 recovery; those kinds of stats are just unreachable.
2) You can slot efficient purge. It's far cheaper than all the magicka those DKs burned through to apply those DoTs.
3) You are complaining you can't heal very fast against a class whose burst heal is a whopping 16% of their missing health?
4) You have superior mobility plus cloak can reset the fight when you need a breather. Unless the DK is running RML on an already very crowded bar, they have to sit and wait for you to reposition and burst out of stealth.
5) mDKs did get a gift from all the new and updated sets. However, so did other magicka classes and stam, and many of the stam sets are far more powerful.
6) I am sorry you are running into mDKs that are actually no longer free AP. Okay... no I'm not.

Top dogs we are not. More like competing for last place with mNBs. Chances are most of the remaining mDKs you are running into are invested into the class and are going to be a tougher nut to crack than those that just rerolled to stam.

This is your second post recently on how stam nightblades are just awful, when that's far from reality. If you are having that much trouble, perhaps stam NB just isn't the class for you. You might try playing one of those OP mDKs.

ku5h

I see a lot of ppl here dont know how to read and yet they go and comment and make fun of the OP. @AzuraKin he told he has 2.4k crit res, which means he is in full inpen, @NBrookus right of the bat, you'r first point, he did't post DKs stats but his own. Also to add to you'r other points:2nd- no its not,3rd-mDK has an amazing heals, hell you dont even have to run resto staff,4th-with talons and fosilize you have great control over the combat+cloak vs mDK is useless(volatile armor dot prevents cloaking). In my opinion HA mDK is ideal class to counter NB. Mark my words, if they buff mDK next patch it's going to be new fotm for sure.

Calboy

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If a mdk is built right in this current game version they are BRUTAL. If zos goes ahead with their intended buffs mdks will be the most op build in the game. You guys think Templars are annoying? Wait till cyrodiil is flooded with unkillable mdks with a crap load of cc and damage.

AzuraKin

1. 2.4k crit resist is not full resist, max crit resist is 50%, 733 * 5 - 3665 impen for full crit reduction. 2. dk dont have amazing heals, they have 2 subpar class heals (one aura that heals every 3s an ally (cannot heal self trust me i tried) and a second ability that heals off a damage ability) and 1 decent heal that heals off missing health (its decent becuase in order for it to heal for anything worthwhile you need lots of health. i run a dk and i can tell you i wont waste my magicka on dragon blood unless i missing at least 30,000 health.

to be frank, if you can be killed in a 1v1 situation without, and i repeat without being cc'd, then you have a build or l2p issue. and that is what i get from this guy he complaining he being killed yet i can let a 2nder wb spam me and not die as long as i am not knocked down and stunned.

Izaki

Wait did you really put Magicka Dragonknight and burst in the same sentence?... You sir are a genius.

kaithuzar

I don't think mdk's have burst, i think they have skoria which hits for around 10k + a 5k dot
I also think dk passives have always been some of the best in the game.
mag dk still has an option of going resto offbar & getting the same heals as any other magic class outside templar.

The thing to remember, which has already been posted, is that the dk was probably running full impen.
That combined with dk passives & s&b you're not going to do a ton of dmg to them; especially while holding block.

arkansas_ESO

Calboy wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If a mdk is built right in this current game version they are BRUTAL. If zos goes ahead with their intended buffs mdks will be the most op build in the game. You guys think Templars are annoying? Wait till cyrodiil is flooded with unkillable mdks with a crap load of cc and damage.

People say that, but I've yet to see one of them actually detail a build. Hell, people say mag DK are amazing at duels, but I've yet to see a single one of them win a tourney on PC NA since dueling came out. Can somebody explain to me this "brutal" magic DK build?

LegacyDM

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If a mdk is built right in this current game version they are BRUTAL. If zos goes ahead with their intended buffs mdks will be the most op build in the game. You guys think Templars are annoying? Wait till cyrodiil is flooded with unkillable mdks with a crap load of cc and damage.

People say that, but I've yet to see one of them actually detail a build. Hell, people say mag DK are amazing at duels, but I've yet to see a single one of them win a tourney on PC NA since dueling came out. Can somebody explain to me this "brutal" magic DK build?

Vyr cor. Look him up.

NBrookus

ku5h wrote: »

NBrookus right of the bat, you'r first point, he did't post DKs stats but his own.

Yes I know. My point was that no heavy mDK has the kind of burst a stam NB has, yet he is complaining about THEIR burst damage.

SilentBoomstick

AzuraKin wrote: »

if they hitting you with abilities for 6k, i can sure as hell tell you they aint tanky, they just built right. you probably running around in divine/infused gear 11-16k resist and complaining that you you cannot take a hit cause of it.

I wear all impen dude. I have 2400 critical resistance but it doesn't help much as a nightblade.

SilentBoomstick

NBrookus wrote: »

LOL.

1) DoTs != burst. I assure you, no heavy armor DK is running 5.1k spell damage, 36k magicka and 1800 recovery; those kinds of stats are just unreachable.
2) You can slot efficient purge. It's far cheaper than all the magicka those DKs burned through to apply those DoTs.
3) You are complaining you can't heal very fast against a class whose burst heal is a whopping 16% of their missing health?
4) You have superior mobility plus cloak can reset the fight when you need a breather. Unless the DK is running RML on an already very crowded bar, they have to sit and wait for you to reposition and burst out of stealth.
5) mDKs did get a gift from all the new and updated sets. However, so did other magicka classes and stam, and many of the stam sets are far more powerful.
6) I am sorry you are running into mDKs that are actually no longer free AP. Okay... no I'm not.

Top dogs we are not. More like competing for last place with mNBs. Chances are most of the remaining mDKs you are running into are invested into the class and are going to be a tougher nut to crack than those that just rerolled to stam.

This is your second post recently on how stam nightblades are just awful, when that's far from reality. If you are having that much trouble, perhaps stam NB just isn't the class for you. You might try playing one of those OP mDKs.

You misread my paragraph. Those are my stats on a stamina nightblade. You cease to make any sense due to the fact that you called my stats for a stamina build their stats for a magicka build. I think you just hear what you want to hear instead of what I actually said.

SilentBoomstick

AzuraKin wrote: »

1. 2.4k crit resist is not full resist, max crit resist is 50%, 733 * 5 - 3665 impen for full crit reduction. 2. dk dont have amazing heals, they have 2 subpar class heals (one aura that heals every 3s an ally (cannot heal self trust me i tried) and a second ability that heals off a damage ability) and 1 decent heal that heals off missing health (its decent becuase in order for it to heal for anything worthwhile you need lots of health. i run a dk and i can tell you i wont waste my magicka on dragon blood unless i missing at least 30,000 health.

to be frank, if you can be killed in a 1v1 situation without, and i repeat without being cc'd, then you have a build or l2p issue. and that is what i get from this guy he complaining he being killed yet i can let a 2nder wb spam me and not die as long as i am not knocked down and stunned.

I hope you realize it is impossible for me to reach that much critical resistance with the amount of cp I have to put into increase healing and my 60-60 into elemental defender and hardy. You DO NOT NEED anything higher than 2400 critical resistance.

SilentBoomstick

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Wait did you really put Magicka Dragonknight and burst in the same sentence?... You sir are a genius.

Lava whip has an instant cast time and it hits pretty hard not to mention they have a lot of dots that they apply to you. I have 30 cp into blessed and 45 into quick recovery. I see all these cancerous tank metas with instant heals meanwhile my vigor only crits for 2k ._. If I cannot stay alive through my heals to mitigate damage how am I supposed to stay alive with all their dots that they apply to me.

They nerfed this ability *ONLY BECAUSE* there were loads of dragonknights that were complaining about it. Nightblades are a squishy race. I have virtually nothing to keep me alive other than *** poor heals while everyone else in this game is running around with instant heals. *READ MY STATS* Most of the people who commented on this article thread post obviously did not read it all the way through.

SilentBoomstick

kaithuzar wrote: »

I don't think mdk's have burst, i think they have skoria which hits for around 10k + a 5k dot
I also think dk passives have always been some of the best in the game.
mag dk still has an option of going resto offbar & getting the same heals as any other magic class outside templar.

The thing to remember, which has already been posted, is that the dk was probably running full impen.
That combined with dk passives & s&b you're not going to do a ton of dmg to them; especially while holding block.

Valkyn skoria needs a massive nerf. I got hit by this ability 3 times in 15 seconds so obviously the proc chance is broken.

bowmanz607

OP are you a vamp? Vamp melts to magdk.

Also, you seem to be hinting at stam nb having some sort of disadvantage and is really squishy. One, any medium armor build will be squishy in this process meta for the most part. Also, stam nb have plenty of ways to not be squishy. Outside of class you have vigor, rally, shuffle. In class you have the morph of cloak that gives 8% damage reduction at the same time it gives you armor and spell resist. Plus have 2 abilities in fear and shadow image that reduce damage by 15%. Plus an ult that pro ides damage mitigation if necessary. Let's also not forget the increased healing received from slotting a siphoning ability. In fact, nb have best survivability in med armor imo if you don't rely on block. The damage reduction a nb gets from combining some of the above abilities, especially combined with vamp passive, gives a medium armor nb the survivability of heavy armor if your buffs and debufff are timed properlly.

As for mag dk, the only burst they get is from skoria. Or, they are bursty if you are a vamp. Use immovable pots to help control the fight. Listen for the Skoria proc and block. Use cloak to reset or keep distance. Key is to hit them hard quick. Back off a bit if they survive your burst and get ready to time it again. Use shadow image to keep distance from talons. Combine it with. Look for a clean getaway. Or fear and then cloak. Or immovable pots and cloak. Or use immovable pots timed with your burst. Cloak dots, when you can anyway. Mag dk are most effective with other players, they typically don't run alone. When they are alone just wear them down and time your burst.

GreenSoup2HoT

I have 3k impen, 19k resist buffed and use dark cloak. If i even show my face for two seconds in pvp i get bursted and die. TTK is just crazy high.

I dont even use damage ults anymore. The other morph of soul tether called soul siphon is an incredible burst heal. Ive been using that when i get caught out or someone pops a destro ulty on me. Its an amazing ulty to turn the tide of a fight. Ive saved tons of lifes with it also.

To be honest cloak purge would be nice for medium builds. Getting tired of all the zerglings using poison inj.

Takes-No-Prisoner

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I have 3k impen, 19k resist buffed and use dark cloak. If i even show my face for two seconds in pvp i get bursted and die. TTK is just crazy high.

I dont even use damage ults anymore. The other morph of soul tether called soul siphon is an incredible burst heal. Ive been using that when i get caught out or someone pops a destro ulty on me. Its an amazing ulty to turn the tide of a fight. Ive saved tons of lifes with it also.

To be honest cloak purge would be nice for medium builds. Getting tired of all the zerglings using poison inj.

@GreenSoup2HoT Run immovable potions that grant CC immunity, magkica, health. I have use this Immovable pot on my StamNB in sticky situations. It has allowed me to slip out of the fingers of people trying to gap close spam or CC spam me. Hit cloak after you pop the potion and it'll allow you to get away. At 13.9K Magic on my guy, this potion fills it up to full and gives me 2/3 health back (sitting on 21k health inside of Cyordiil).

Valykc

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this but please just hear me out. Magicka DKs were absolute trash 2 updates ago. Now they are top dog again with their really high burst. I can't kill them with their 30k physical resistance (probably exaggerating but they are still very tanky). Their damage is really high with all those dots they apply to me. I open up a death recap and I see the abilties I am getting hit with are like 6k (my health bar is 24k), they take absolutely no damage with their heavy armor meanwhile they are up in my face applying all these dots and I am wrecked in about 15 seconds. I have 2400 critical resistance 24k health 5.1k weapon damage 36k maximum stamina and 1800 recovery. My issue is that I can't heal through their damage and it's damn near impossible for me to avoid getting hit by them.

I have good stats but I can't kill them because of their tankiness. I use to laugh so hard when I would run into 531s in the last update that were wearing light armor as a magicka dk.

This ability was not cheap at all. Nerfing this ability was basically like taking batmans utility belt away. Also please add softcaps again. PLEASE!!!!

Alliance war>Support> Purge

Slot it.

Alucardo

I really don't think Nightblades should have access to purge. Trust me, my medium armor stam sorc is just as squishy against mdks as you are. 1v1 against a GOOD mdk and I will lose 90% of the time.
Thankfully I have mobility if I need to get out of a tight spot to heal up (remember mdks don't really have a proper gap closer), and Nightblades can use cloak to suppress their dots, or image to get out of range if things get too hot (pun intended).
Having the ability to go invisible at will AND purge DoTs is too strong. It should never have been a thing, but as a medium armor guy myself, I can see where you're coming from.
Just wait for the balance update when mDKs are even more prominent and stronger than they are now. Should be a blast.

GreenSoup2HoT

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I have 3k impen, 19k resist buffed and use dark cloak. If i even show my face for two seconds in pvp i get bursted and die. TTK is just crazy high.

I dont even use damage ults anymore. The other morph of soul tether called soul siphon is an incredible burst heal. Ive been using that when i get caught out or someone pops a destro ulty on me. Its an amazing ulty to turn the tide of a fight. Ive saved tons of lifes with it also.

To be honest cloak purge would be nice for medium builds. Getting tired of all the zerglings using poison inj.

@GreenSoup2HoT Run immovable potions that grant CC immunity, magkica, health. I have use this Immovable pot on my StamNB in sticky situations. It has allowed me to slip out of the fingers of people trying to gap close spam or CC spam me. Hit cloak after you pop the potion and it'll allow you to get away. At 13.9K Magic on my guy, this potion fills it up to full and gives me 2/3 health back (sitting on 21k health inside of Cyordiil).

I use Immovable, Speed, Stamina potions. Speed is a must have (i run dw/2h). 23k hp since im Imperal. Thanks for the tip but im not worried about getting out of sticky situations, i thrive in them.

ku5h

AzuraKin wrote: »

1. 2.4k crit resist is not full resist, max crit resist is 50%, 733 * 5 - 3665 impen for full crit reduction. 2. dk dont have amazing heals, they have 2 subpar class heals (one aura that heals every 3s an ally (cannot heal self trust me i tried) and a second ability that heals off a damage ability) and 1 decent heal that heals off missing health (its decent becuase in order for it to heal for anything worthwhile you need lots of health. i run a dk and i can tell you i wont waste my magicka on dragon blood unless i missing at least 30,000 health.

to be frank, if you can be killed in a 1v1 situation without, and i repeat without being cc'd, then you have a build or l2p issue. and that is what i get from this guy he complaining he being killed yet i can let a 2nder wb spam me and not die as long as i am not knocked down and stunned.

Again, you dont read, or you just can't read with understanding. I wrote "he is in full inpen", which means all his gear is inpen, since you commented he's probably in all divines/infused, never said he's at max inpen. Everything else just tells me that you'r not so good with mDK. Subpar heals, you kidding? Almost every ability i have is healing me, and for a great amount since DK can stack so much "healing received" its crazy.

Moglijuana

leepalmer95 wrote: »

If their running 20k resistances then they are heavy s&B and wont be bursting you anytime soon.

I've since added another 200 SD. This is also 5 Light/1M/1H...burst is definitely a thing on high resistance builds lol.

Besides, OP, Stam NB is pretty much screwed against any decent MagDK...just like I'm screwed against any decent Magplar...that's mmo pvp for you.

Kutsuu

mDKs are basically built in every way to be a vampire stamina NB's worst nightmare. Just gank them on their horse or leave them alone - works great for me.