Magblade PVP outside of gankking?

pcar944

to me Magblade is still a ton of fun even though I'd say that in the game at the moment, its right about on the same level as mDK in PVE and in PVP

opinions?

I don't like how Magblade has been pretty much reduced to a ganker/bomber status

thankyourat

pcar944 wrote: »

to me Magblade is still a ton of fun even though I'd say that in the game at the moment, its right about on the same level as mDK in PVE and in PVP

opinions?

I don't like how Magblade has been pretty much reduced to a ganker/bomber status

I play my magblade with a magsorc playstyle and stay at range until it's time to execute. But yea it is kind of weak at the moment. if you play to its strengths though magblade is actually really tanky and survivable. It had so many debuffs and buffs. I think the main problem is it just lacks attacking power. you can outplay your opponent so many times, but can't finish the deal and kill him because of bad game mechanics. It also one of the more complicated classes to play because you have to keep 5 or 6 buffs up at all times just to keep you swallow souls hitting 4k on crits. The attack weaving is also difficult to perfect on a magblade. I'm hoping they give us some damage buffs in the next patch

Rohamad_Ali

I don't have mine set up for ganking . I need sustain to stay in fights longer .

raasdal

I have been dusting off my MagBlade recently. Old playstyle no longer works due to the Heavy + Proc meta. But buffs to Heavy Armor has made a Max Magicka / Max Health SapTank viable again for PvP.

I am currently running a 5xTrainee, 5xNecro Heavy Armor build. Not the best out there, compared to ie. A StamSorc, but decent.

kaithuzar

I play melee, it's hard but fun.
Light armor build:
5x juli + 5x medusa, kena + testing other helms
Witch brew + thief mundus

Heavy armor build:
5x juli + 5x worm, kena + chokethorn
Tri-stat + atro mundus

All impen both builds
Sap, lotus fan, impale, concealed, but inner light, incap
Cloak, assassins will, teleport shade, healing ward, prolonged, comet

Strider_Roshin

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

pcar944

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

hm, funny you say that, because I never played PVP as a magblade, so how can I be "good"?

I just go in and I try my best with skills I know and like to use

which part made it sound like I am "bad" anyway?

right now I am DW and Destro or Resto depending on situation or what I feel like playing, DW bar is same as above but I put Fear or mine, the destro/resto bar is also almost the same except sometimes I put on Vicious Death/Skoria and Proxy Det

Kutsuu

On the same level as mDK... so in a great spot then? I'm with ya there. Magblades are great - and not just for ganking.

Bakven

Mageblades are not very good at ganking right now. In duels and open world they are very low on the list. However they are far from being useless. You have to change up your playstyle a bit and really know the class and gear to get a great build.

You have 2 options when playing a mageblade. Either you die a lot or you get good fast.

Playing a mageblade is a challenge and shouldn't be done unless you're ready to die a lot by meta and cancer builds with proc sets killing you and *** players using cancer builds and broken sets.

The good news is if you can play a mageblade, mDK, or magsorc, effectively in this meta, you would do extremely well playing as any stam class. The bad news is @Wrobel will likely butcher the balance in the next update and @Zos will make more and more cancer sets. So if you're gonna play any mag class, I'd do it now before it's too late

Ashamray

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

pcar944

to each their own

also, I now have a full set of Rattlecage with arcane rings/neck and weapons its fun in PVE for sure

I don't mind, it is what it is, ganking with Magblade is not the same anymore

btw, I don't know if this matters or not, but I ganked my way to 70th on top 100 twice, and right now I am at 80 out of 100 - on a Magicka DK back in May/June - and I only play when I can, solo, never group, just defend - primetime PC NA Trueflame

I'm not saying I'm good, I'm pretty bad when it comes to 1 on 1 etc, but I am decent at ganking

I like how proxy det and new destroy ulti work, I might have to work on that

altemriel

kaithuzar wrote: »

I play melee, it's hard but fun.
Light armor build:
5x juli + 5x medusa, kena + testing other helms
Witch brew + thief mundus

Heavy armor build:
5x juli + 5x worm, kena + chokethorn
Tri-stat + atro mundus

All impen both builds
Sap, lotus fan, impale, concealed, but inner light, incap
Cloak, assassins will, teleport shade, healing ward, prolonged, comet

this build can be used also for destro/restro setup

kaithuzar

For the light armor build, I end up with over 65% crit, +12% inc crit dmg from medusa + inc crit dmg from cp

65% May be too much, without thief I still have 54% crit, this build is lacking stam (only 10k currently), maybe use stam recovery mundus with 1 kena 1bloodspawn & assassins will to keep your stam recovery up so you can break free more often.
Otherwise could use 1 piece grothdar (max mag) w/max mag mundus & do a few(3) hakejo enchants head, chest, & legs to up your stam pool, you end up having way too much Health though =/

#TheoryCraftStruggle

altemriel

kaithuzar wrote: »

For the light armor build, I end up with over 65% crit, +12% inc crit dmg from medusa + inc crit dmg from cp

65% May be too much, without thief I still have 54% crit, this build is lacking stam (only 10k currently), maybe use stam recovery mundus with 1 kena 1bloodspawn & assassins will to keep your stam recovery up so you can break free more often.
Otherwise could use 1 piece grothdar (max mag) w/max mag mundus & do a few(3) hakejo enchants head, chest, & legs to up your stam pool, you end up having way too much Health though =/

#TheoryCraftStruggle

I started playing khajiit I love the khajiit race , magblade few months ago, maybe two or so, she is now level 49 , 100 % experience boost of witches`s festival helped a lot I must say .
I run 5 julianos, edit - mistake: 3 (destro/restro) Kagrenac, 3 Necropotence jewelry for PVE, all atribute points to magicka, I have some 370 CPs from my main char, I learn enchanting with her, vampire, I have like 32K magickka, 16 - 18K health and about 10K stamina (buffed) and I usually do pretty well ->edit: - IN PVE, I have not tested this setup in PVP yet.
I am planning on trying these combinations:
5 Rattlecage/4Kagrenac for PVP/PVE or 5 Julianos for PVE, 5 Rattlecage/5 Vicious Death bomber build (proxe det, vicious death proc) for PVP, 5 Rattlecage/5 Necropotence for PVP/PVE, +1Kena

this is how it goes:
weaving heavy attack-structured entrophy-light attack-funel health-light attack-dampen magic-light attack-merciless resolve-light attack-destructive clench-light attack-heavy attack-light attack-light attack-assassin`s will-crippling grasp(-lotus fan)-impale-impale (or destructive clench if needed)-impale - dead or repeat
Ulti: soul tether, incapacitating strike
I will add sap essence, summon shade to the rotation somehow later when I unlock them.

dark cloak if run away needed (I can stay cloaked forever ), or dodge-roll or block if needed (I have enough stamina to dodge-roll twice or three times), healing springs-mutagen if heal needed and/or health+mag potion, blue food (max health+health regen, max mag+ mag regen, I will use tri-stat, for PVP maybe tri stat-drinks (all stats regen), or Witchmother`s brew, max health, max mag, mag regen.

rolandlu7prb18_ESO

If you have duelled with decent magBlades, you will know there are the toughest opponents. So the answer is No, if you know the right magblade meta and have the right gears.

rolandlu7prb18_ESO

For a taste, think about 16k assassin's will, you will know how hard it is to fight them.

Strider_Roshin

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

thankyourat

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

It must be a different game on Xbox because the best would have to be stam dk in heavy armor and then stam Templar, major mending is too much, next would be magicka sorc followed by stam sorc then magicka dk followed by magicka Templar in heavy armor. I would put both nightblades at the bottom in terms of dueling with magblade being a little better than stamblade. With that being said I do have about a 85% win record on my magblade so knowing how to play the game will counter some class weaknessess. And I do know some pretty tough magblades. But they are rare most duelling areas you only see one or two magblades but lots of dks it's a reason for that. Dk is just more forgiving. If you mess up on a nightblade you are probably going to lose.

Strider_Roshin

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

It must be a different game on Xbox because the best would have to be stam dk in heavy armor and then stam Templar, major mending is too much, next would be magicka sorc followed by stam sorc then magicka dk followed by magicka Templar in heavy armor. I would put both nightblades at the bottom in terms of dueling with magblade being a little better than stamblade. With that being said I do have about a 85% win record on my magblade so knowing how to play the game will counter some class weaknessess. And I do know some pretty tough magblades. But they are rare most duelling areas you only see one or two magblades but lots of dks it's a reason for that. Dk is just more forgiving. If you mess up on a nightblade you are probably going to lose.

To be honest, playing magicka is stupid easy right now in PvP. Just wear heavy, play defensive until you build your destro ult, use your ult, CC, burst, and you have an easy win. IMO that ult as well as soul assault (although soul assault is mainly just OP against anyone wearing medium) is just as cheesy as the proc sets.

I also find it comical that the magicka community complains about proc sets, meanwhile they have zero issue running magicka proc sets such as Skoria. IMO the damage for all proc sets (including the magicka ones) need nerfed in PvP. PvP SHOULD be the most skill dependant aspect of this game, bit it's not in its current state.

thankyourat

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

It must be a different game on Xbox because the best would have to be stam dk in heavy armor and then stam Templar, major mending is too much, next would be magicka sorc followed by stam sorc then magicka dk followed by magicka Templar in heavy armor. I would put both nightblades at the bottom in terms of dueling with magblade being a little better than stamblade. With that being said I do have about a 85% win record on my magblade so knowing how to play the game will counter some class weaknessess. And I do know some pretty tough magblades. But they are rare most duelling areas you only see one or two magblades but lots of dks it's a reason for that. Dk is just more forgiving. If you mess up on a nightblade you are probably going to lose.

To be honest, playing magicka is stupid easy right now in PvP. Just wear heavy, play defensive until you build your destro ult, use your ult, CC, burst, and you have an easy win. IMO that ult as well as soul assault (although soul assault is mainly just OP against anyone wearing medium) is just as cheesy as the proc sets.

I also find it comical that the magicka community complains about proc sets, meanwhile they have zero issue running magicka proc sets such as Skoria. IMO the damage for all proc sets (including the magicka ones) need nerfed in PvP. PvP SHOULD be the most skill dependant aspect of this game, bit it's not in its current state.

The destro ultimate won't guarantee you a win though neither will soul assault. I also feel like dbos is just as powerful as those two ultimates and it gives me alot more problems. The destro ultimate is op but it's manageable. Where it's really op is for group play which I will agree magicka is better than stamina for large scale fights. The magicka users who you see complaining about imbalances are small scale PVPers for the most part and magicka just can't compete with stamina in small scale. I don't really like heavy armor for magblade or sorc because there is no magicka form of viper to help with the damage loss and neither one has the healing of a mag dk or magplar. As for the proc sets skoria is no where new as bad as viper, tremorscale, or velidreth. and it's just not the magicka community complaining about them it's pretty much everyone.

Takes-No-Prisoner

thankyourat wrote: »

Where it's really op is for group play which I will agree magicka is better than stamina for large scale fights. The magicka users who you see complaining about imbalances are small scale PVPers for the most part and magicka just can't compete with stamina in small scale..

I ran with a guy on his MagSorc last night. We 2vX a couple of zergs, I would negate zergs and he would Fire type Eye of the Storm right on top of them.

Magic players when paired with the right type of stamina players can really bring out some unprecedented levels of pain.

pcar944

so I now have full Arcane Rattlecage with impen heavy shoulder and divine helm, I also have a sword but no staff

my other 5pc gets switched from Julianos, to Vicious Death, Spinner, Clever Alchemist

my problem is bars - I think I should really run destroy/resto for survivability, but I have no way what to put on these bars because I always played a full on damage build - but I find that cloak/fear/invis+speed pots in a lot of cases are not enough to get away

I also love Merciless Resolve proc, but I cant see how its comfortable to have a DW and Resto/Destro and Merciless on DW bar, bar swapping would be such a PITA

Ashamray

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

Sounds like another game %)
I've never played on console, maybe I just don't know features they have which affect pvp balance.

Omgwtfbbq321

I have just finished my own take of Blob-Eso's Mageblade build. I have never felt so powerful in duels before. To be fair, I am yet to test it in Cyrdoiil, but the Mageblade has so many tools it’s hard to play anything else.

Unlockable Fear(Best CC in the game), Spectral bow(Hardest hitting non-ult I have seen to date), Syphoning-Strikes (ENDLESS stamina even with only 10k and 600 recovery), (Soul -Tether (Excellent AOE Ulti), Shade(reduce the targets damage done but 15%, and is a small DOT on top of that, it’s a great escape mechanic). Not to mention the ability to turn invisible at will and guarantee a crit.

I played a Magicka Sorc since XBOX One launch, but since levelling the Mageblade, I haven’t looked back.

Best. Class. Ever!

Knootewoot

I still play magblade and would not do otherwise. Yes, you get wrecked by the meta but I had my share of victories as well. The amount of tools mentioned above makes it a fun class to play. And you can feel special and unique because there are so few magblades around.

altemriel

Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »

I have just finished my own take of Blob-Eso's Mageblade build. I have never felt so powerful in duels before. To be fair, I am yet to test it in Cyrdoiil, but the Mageblade has so many tools it’s hard to play anything else.

Unlockable Fear(Best CC in the game), Spectral bow(Hardest hitting non-ult I have seen to date), Syphoning-Strikes (ENDLESS stamina even with only 10k and 600 recovery), (Soul -Tether (Excellent AOE Ulti), Shade(reduce the targets damage done but 15%, and is a small DOT on top of that, it’s a great escape mechanic). Not to mention the ability to turn invisible at will and guarantee a crit.

I played a Magicka Sorc since XBOX One launch, but since levelling the Mageblade, I haven’t looked back.

Best. Class. Ever!

awesome


I also want to run a build that is combination of Blob`s and Sypher`s build

Knootewoot

altemriel wrote: »

Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »

I have just finished my own take of Blob-Eso's Mageblade build. I have never felt so powerful in duels before. To be fair, I am yet to test it in Cyrdoiil, but the Mageblade has so many tools it’s hard to play anything else.

Unlockable Fear(Best CC in the game), Spectral bow(Hardest hitting non-ult I have seen to date), Syphoning-Strikes (ENDLESS stamina even with only 10k and 600 recovery), (Soul -Tether (Excellent AOE Ulti), Shade(reduce the targets damage done but 15%, and is a small DOT on top of that, it’s a great escape mechanic). Not to mention the ability to turn invisible at will and guarantee a crit.

I played a Magicka Sorc since XBOX One launch, but since levelling the Mageblade, I haven’t looked back.

Best. Class. Ever!

awesome


I also want to run a build that is combination of Blob`s and Sypher`s build

Then you would call it a Blypher build

Blob's has always very good build but then he is a very good player who can play with anybuild. He would wreck anyone with just light and heavy attacks.

I never copy a build because I suck anyway. What I really want is a magicka tankblade which deals good damage (30-40k dps on groupmobs and around 8-10k single target.

I always was light armored and could get good dps.

Yesterday I was trying to make a tank build with 60k health but I hit like a wet noodle. But I could stand in the Banished Cells 2 against any boss. Even the deadroth's fire did't kill my vampire self.

What I need now is to both be tanky and do decent damage. I can debuff bosses with piecrcing mark, ransack or whatever I have at my disposal, buff groupmembers with horn and heal myself pretty good with swallow soul, ingiorsomething drain and sap essence.

Sadly I used my last 50k to do HA shopping and tried out 2 heavy armors. I need something different so I might try 5 pieces necropotence (3 jewels, 2 light armor pieces) and then something 3 heavy and sword+board. But I can't think of some HA that will suffice. And then I would use the helmer+shoulder which give +1024 health and a change to make bond between me and enemy so I heal (can't remember name)

Can't wait to login today to go HA farming after I figure out. else I might just craft kragnacs hope stuff. I just want to do dungeons as a tank and be usefull. Yesterday I had fun as my 1st time tank and got a few good tips from other groupmembers.

altemriel

anyone tried 5rattlecage/5silk of the sun on a DPS magblade? how much DPS it would give when using flame destro/restro setup?
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Silks+of+the+Sun+Set

Knootewoot

altemriel wrote: »

anyone tried 5rattlecage/5silk of the sun on a DPS magblade? how much DPS it would give when using flame destro/restro setup?

I had 5 pieces of Rattlecage and it is an awesome set. Sadly I had only armor pieces and no jewels which I preferred and all was prosperous and sturdy

Will try again to loot it someday. The setup with Silk of the Sun sounds nice.

altemriel

Knootewoot wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

anyone tried 5rattlecage/5silk of the sun on a DPS magblade? how much DPS it would give when using flame destro/restro setup?

I had 5 pieces of Rattlecage and it is an awesome set. Sadly I had only armor pieces and no jewels which I preferred and all was prosperous and sturdy

Will try again to loot it someday. The setup with Silk of the Sun sounds nice.

RNGeezus demands you to do more offerings, the bloody ones are prefered


I did my first 2 runs of Vault of Madness and I got 5 pieces of Rattle, some impen, some divines and sturdy, then next 2 or 3 runs, just one piece Rattle, and all other sets, no jewelry, no weapons, I have to try more too

Minno

kaithuzar wrote: »

For the light armor build, I end up with over 65% crit, +12% inc crit dmg from medusa + inc crit dmg from cp

65% May be too much, without thief I still have 54% crit, this build is lacking stam (only 10k currently), maybe use stam recovery mundus with 1 kena 1bloodspawn & assassins will to keep your stam recovery up so you can break free more often.
Otherwise could use 1 piece grothdar (max mag) w/max mag mundus & do a few(3) hakejo enchants head, chest, & legs to up your stam pool, you end up having way too much Health though =/

#TheoryCraftStruggle

The health would look good for a Templar in using blazing shield. (My main uses Medusa set.)