Magblade PVP outside of gankking?

Xvorg

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

Now I understand 99% of your complaints...

Mageblade is absolutely crap in PC and, as far as I know, in Xbox. Maybe stam rotations are harder to get in PS compared to PC

altemriel

Xvorg wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

Now I understand 99% of your complaints...

Mageblade is absolutely crap in PC and, as far as I know, in Xbox. Maybe stam rotations are harder to get in PS compared to PC

@Strider_Roshin @Xvorg

This is interesting, one of you guys is writting that Magblade is the best and the other of you are writting that magblade is the worst.....what is the reason for that contradiction?

Tryxus

altemriel wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

Now I understand 99% of your complaints...

Mageblade is absolutely crap in PC and, as far as I know, in Xbox. Maybe stam rotations are harder to get in PS compared to PC

@Strider_Roshin @Xvorg

This is interesting, one of you guys is writting that Magblade is the best and the other of you are writting that magblade is the worst.....what is the reason for that contradiction?

One of them is biased against magicka, the other one isn't

Lexxypwns

Tryxus wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

Now I understand 99% of your complaints...

Mageblade is absolutely crap in PC and, as far as I know, in Xbox. Maybe stam rotations are harder to get in PS compared to PC

@Strider_Roshin @Xvorg

This is interesting, one of you guys is writting that Magblade is the best and the other of you are writting that magblade is the worst.....what is the reason for that contradiction?

One of them is biased against magicka, the other one isn't

Mageblade is hot garbage. It is my second favorite class to play, incredibly fun, and you have potential to drastically outplay opponents with it, but sometimes even outplaying someone ends up with you just dead.

Xvorg

I think we are both talking about two different animals: mNB PC and mNB PS4. There's a chance that PS NBs (as well as magicka builds in general) are stronger than stamina, but that's maybe due to the mechanics used with a joystick compared to the Ol' Reliable (keyboard + mouse)

altemriel

Xvorg wrote: »

I think we are both talking about two different animals: mNB PC and mNB PS4. There's a chance that PS NBs (as well as magicka builds in general) are stronger than stamina, but that's maybe due to the mechanics used with a joystick compared to the Ol' Reliable (keyboard + mouse)

interesting

thankyourat

Xvorg wrote: »

I think we are both talking about two different animals: mNB PC and mNB PS4. There's a chance that PS NBs (as well as magicka builds in general) are stronger than stamina, but that's maybe due to the mechanics used with a joystick compared to the Ol' Reliable (keyboard + mouse)

No it's the same. mag builds still struggle on console.

Tryxus

Thing is: MagBlade has remained more or less the same for several updates alrdy, but it took a few small hit, indirect nerfs or got countered by the meta

- Funnel Health heals 1 target instead of 2
- Soul Harvest was nerfed alongside Incap (Incap was needed though)
- Concealed weapon is useless as a Light Armor wearer vs the Heavy Armor meta (and proc builds)
- Every update kept adding Stealth/Cloak counters, with the latestbeing Soul Assault
- Cloak is still bugged

Things have notbeen kind to us

Calboy

Played my mnb last night after playing a msorc for a while and while it was fun I found I was lacking any burst aside from spectral bow. It's sort of frustrating compared to my sorc where I have curses and frags going off all over the show with lightning staff and crushing shocks in between. I did love trolling with prolonged suffering and crippling grasp while going in and out of invisibility. You can tell the ones getting mad because they will chase you forever and hunt you till your dead.

Xvorg

thankyourat wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

I think we are both talking about two different animals: mNB PC and mNB PS4. There's a chance that PS NBs (as well as magicka builds in general) are stronger than stamina, but that's maybe due to the mechanics used with a joystick compared to the Ol' Reliable (keyboard + mouse)

No it's the same. mag builds still struggle on console.

Do you play Xbox?

Xvorg

Calboy wrote: »

Played my mnb last night after playing a msorc for a while and while it was fun I found I was lacking any burst aside from spectral bow. It's sort of frustrating compared to my sorc where I have curses and frags going off all over the show with lightning staff and crushing shocks in between. I did love trolling with prolonged suffering and crippling grasp while going in and out of invisibility. You can tell the ones getting mad because they will chase you forever and hunt you till your dead.

Last patch I quitted burst. I started using dots instead (agony, crippling grap, weapon poisons, soul assault). They were strong against shield stackers and stronger against stam users.

It was nice for ganking combined with basic attacks and strife for self healing.

I could have farmed skoria, but I'm against proc sets

thankyourat

Xvorg wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

I think we are both talking about two different animals: mNB PC and mNB PS4. There's a chance that PS NBs (as well as magicka builds in general) are stronger than stamina, but that's maybe due to the mechanics used with a joystick compared to the Ol' Reliable (keyboard + mouse)

No it's the same. mag builds still struggle on console.

Do you play Xbox?

Yea I play Xbox

alephthiago

Xvorg wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

Played my mnb last night after playing a msorc for a while and while it was fun I found I was lacking any burst aside from spectral bow. It's sort of frustrating compared to my sorc where I have curses and frags going off all over the show with lightning staff and crushing shocks in between. I did love trolling with prolonged suffering and crippling grasp while going in and out of invisibility. You can tell the ones getting mad because they will chase you forever and hunt you till your dead.

Last patch I quitted burst. I started using dots instead (agony, crippling grap, weapon poisons, soul assault). They were strong against shield stackers and stronger against stam users.

It was nice for ganking combined with basic attacks and strife for self healing.

I could have farmed skoria, but I'm against proc sets

This is extremelly innefective in open world pvp, its probably a style suited for duels or maybe sewers

Xvorg

thankyourat wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

I think we are both talking about two different animals: mNB PC and mNB PS4. There's a chance that PS NBs (as well as magicka builds in general) are stronger than stamina, but that's maybe due to the mechanics used with a joystick compared to the Ol' Reliable (keyboard + mouse)

No it's the same. mag builds still struggle on console.

Do you play Xbox?

Yea I play Xbox

That confirms my theory:

On PS4, magicka classes seem to be stronger than stam... IDK why, but Roshin and Anti Virus agree and both play that console.
On the other hand, the rest of the community (Xbox1 and PC) say that magicka is way weaker compared to stam.

@Wrobel, do you know something about?

alephthiago

Tryxus wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Sounds like you're not very good playing as a magblade. The most difficult people to kill are magblades. Try switching to rattle cage, be a vampire, and use the destro staff, and the resto staff.

Idk, in my personal list of dueling partners magicka nightblade is the weakest opponent (note: I do not claim that mblade sucks). Only dangerous thing this spec has is Meteor + Fear + Will, but it's not world's end.
Anyway, if mblade wants, he lives long and safely. In cloak.

Having fought the players that many consider to be the best on PS4 NA server. Magblade is the strongest right now followed by magicka sorc, with the magplar and stam DK coming in third. Ironically, as much as people complain about Stamblades, I find them to be the easiest.

Now I understand 99% of your complaints...

Mageblade is absolutely crap in PC and, as far as I know, in Xbox. Maybe stam rotations are harder to get in PS compared to PC

@Strider_Roshin @Xvorg

This is interesting, one of you guys is writting that Magblade is the best and the other of you are writting that magblade is the worst.....what is the reason for that contradiction?

One of them is biased against magicka, the other one isn't

In general i just skip what that guy says in every thread since i did realize how delusional and one sided he always is

pcar944

see majority of my gameplay and style is to do as much damage as possible and not care, I stopped caring about 1vX and given the state of this PvP I really don't care when I die anymore

so I just stack damage and abilities that buff me and let me do as much damage as possible

last night I was bombing with 5 Rattlecage + 5 Vicious Death + 2 Torugs Pact swords

wiped a few groups like that

wish there was a way to work Willpower into that setup, but it doesn't seem like I'll be able to

anyway, seems like majority of Magblades use the same skills just put them on diff bars etc, very strong class skills and very fun to play

I think I'm going to go for good old bomblade with 5 alchemist + 5 vicious death + 3 willpower

Takes-No-Prisoner

Xvorg wrote: »

I think we are both talking about two different animals: mNB PC and mNB PS4. There's a chance that PS NBs (as well as magicka builds in general) are stronger than stamina, but that's maybe due to the mechanics used with a joystick compared to the Ol' Reliable (keyboard + mouse)

I doubt that. PC has access to Xbox1 controllers, which is what I use to play PC NA with. Note, I mainly play on PS4 NA-- mainly in PvP. Controls have no say in the usage of a particular character type. It's the meta or word of mouth on the server that is different. It is really fascinating to see how people differ from server to server. But from my experience, we have a relatively uncommon population--at least AD wise of MagNBs. They are there, they PvP, but I see far more Stamina users on the map fighting then MagBlades.

As for 1v1s. I've seen MagBlade in combat on PvE land. Though from one guy to the next, they could probably write up some kind of build for the MagBlade that would let them compete with the proc meta. I do honestly think Magic is weaker, but that by no means is stopping other players from experimenting and playing around with the class. Even I am in the lab looking at the MagBlades tools, and wanting to re-invent her, because she's my first toon.

pcar944

my magblade is going to be a full time bomber

thanks all

kaithuzar

The only real way to get magblade burst is assassins will + ult; typically meteor
It's important to keep buffs up like maj sorcery through sap or pots

pcar944

help me with destro/resto magblade please

I have access to all kinds of gear and trinkets and I can craft anything

worth going to heavy armor/tanky build or? do I have to have reinforced/sturdy/impen on my armors instead of Divines?

KoreanAwtamatic

I like my nightblade and I don't run cloak

Watch "ESO - Magicka Nighblade One Tamriel PVP Build" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/w29LiT6g8gU

Metemsycosis

Mage blade pvp outside ganking: heal damage dealers. Cc for damage dealers. Seek weak links or isolated enemies and open up with lots of pressure. Kite - tank into allies' traps. Pair up or trio up with a Templar or dk and drop destro ults during cc phases. Bomblades shouldn't be solo. Go scout for enemy camps and destroy them. Destroy siege. Use elusive mist to bypass ugly breach activity - disrupt their defenses, etc etc

pcar944

help me with destro/resto magblade please

I have access to all kinds of gear and trinkets and I can craft anything

worth going to heavy armor/tanky build or? do I have to have reinforced/sturdy/impen on my armors instead of Divines?

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Mage blade pvp outside ganking: heal damage dealers. Cc for damage dealers. Seek weak links or isolated enemies and open up with lots of pressure. Kite - tank into allies' traps. Pair up or trio up with a Templar or dk and drop destro ults during cc phases. Bomblades shouldn't be solo. Go scout for enemy camps and destroy them. Destroy siege. Use elusive mist to bypass ugly breach activity - disrupt their defenses, etc etc

I've taken so much damage in elusive mist I am almost ready to drop it completely lol

I have done ok playing solo though

still rocking vicious death and trying different other 5pc sets, vicious death with Destro ulti is really dirty

thankyourat

pcar944 wrote: »

help me with destro/resto magblade please

I have access to all kinds of gear and trinkets and I can craft anything

worth going to heavy armor/tanky build or? do I have to have reinforced/sturdy/impen on my armors instead of Divines?

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Mage blade pvp outside ganking: heal damage dealers. Cc for damage dealers. Seek weak links or isolated enemies and open up with lots of pressure. Kite - tank into allies' traps. Pair up or trio up with a Templar or dk and drop destro ults during cc phases. Bomblades shouldn't be solo. Go scout for enemy camps and destroy them. Destroy siege. Use elusive mist to bypass ugly breach activity - disrupt their defenses, etc etc

I've taken so much damage in elusive mist I am almost ready to drop it completely lol

I have done ok playing solo though

still rocking vicious death and trying different other 5pc sets, vicious death with Destro ulti is really dirty

I'm use 5 necroprentence 2 skoria, 3 willpower, destro with spell damage enchant and a armor debuff poison on my resto. I'm currently testing spinner instead of necro to see which I like best they both seem to work well. I think the biggest thing to remember is burst has to be set up if you aren't timing your will with a ultimate you are going to have a hard time killing people so just keep applying your dots for skoria to proc while you create a opportunity to burst them down with your combo. You have to remember to kite around as well, some people just hit way to hard so you won't to always keep your distance. The my front bar is: merciless resolve, degeneration, flame reach, swallow soul, crippling grasp, soul harvest. Back bar: healing ward, dampen magic, double take, siphoning attacks, shadow image, shooting star. This set up works pretty well for me I rarely lose any 1v1's with this, skoria is really strong. You can switch out flame reach for agony if you want, but it breaks on dot damage and you have multiple dots so I don't like it. You can also use fear instead but you lose out on one of your dots. Also double take is a flex spot you can switch it out for cloak if that's more of your playstyle. All in all magblade is very difficult to play. you can't just spam a single ability and get kills like it's stamina counterpart, but once you get it down you will be very difficult to kill especially if you are keeping up pressure making them waste resources while you are keeping yours full with siphoning attacks.

Metemsycosis

pcar944 wrote: »

help me with destro/resto magblade please

I have access to all kinds of gear and trinkets and I can craft anything

worth going to heavy armor/tanky build or? do I have to have reinforced/sturdy/impen on my armors instead of Divines?

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Mage blade pvp outside ganking: heal damage dealers. Cc for damage dealers. Seek weak links or isolated enemies and open up with lots of pressure. Kite - tank into allies' traps. Pair up or trio up with a Templar or dk and drop destro ults during cc phases. Bomblades shouldn't be solo. Go scout for enemy camps and destroy them. Destroy siege. Use elusive mist to bypass ugly breach activity - disrupt their defenses, etc etc

I've taken so much damage in elusive mist I am almost ready to drop it completely lol

I have done ok playing solo though

still rocking vicious death and trying different other 5pc sets, vicious death with Destro ulti is really dirty

Sounds devastating. I like elusive mist when a) I'm not running a lot of stamina recovery and b) when I know I'll need to cross caltrops or contend with magicka dk tanks and need to escape their grasp immediately.

As far as five piece sets. I'm still having great luck with amberplasm. I wanna check out martial knowledge set, which comes in jewelry now.