this must be a joke...

gadrïïr

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

I've got 8 toons, some stam, some mag...and I don't have any clue what you're talking about. Stam is by far easier.

maybe in pve doing damage. anyone I play with who have been playing mmorpgs for a long, long time will tell you the same exact thing. mag has much better survivability, and stam can pull out more dmg. in a ava pvp game the one with better survivability will usually win, becuz the longer the fight goes the more chance there is for it to not be 1v1 anymore

Sandman929

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

I've got 8 toons, some stam, some mag...and I don't have any clue what you're talking about. Stam is by far easier.

maybe in pve doing damage. anyone I play with who have been playing mmorpgs for a long, long time will tell you the same exact thing. mag has much better survivability, and stam can pull out more dmg. in a ava pvp game the one with better survivability will usually win, becuz the longer the fight goes the more chance there is for it to not be 1v1 anymore

I don't PvE often, and I talk about PvE in the PvP forum even less. I'm talking strictly PvP, and stam is easier.

gadrïïr

Lord wrote: »

Soul Assault is perfectly fine.
L2P with all due respect.
It is the templar/sorcerer's counter to the broken nightblade incapacitating strike and to the general OP status of stamina builds.
Dawnbreaker of Smithing is physical damage right now and there is no realiable low cost high dps ultimate for sorcerers.
Ice Comet ? You will just block and forget it.
It needs to stay the way it is now.

L2P you say? That's funny, cuz im pretty sure im a better player than you are in pvp. Incap makes a distinct sound, and can be easily dodged, and dawnbreaker can also be easily blocked, and doesn't drain almost all of your stamina, like this dumb excuse for an ult soul assault. it needs to be able to be bashed, and the person needs to be able to be cc'd during it, and the dmg needs to be toned down a tad, or every single mag class who wants another I win button other than healing ward will be running it.

Sandman929

Velidreth and Vipers user complaining about magicka "I WIN" buttons....ok then.

gadrïïr

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

I've got 8 toons, some stam, some mag...and I don't have any clue what you're talking about. Stam is by far easier.

maybe in pve doing damage. anyone I play with who have been playing mmorpgs for a long, long time will tell you the same exact thing. mag has much better survivability, and stam can pull out more dmg. in a ava pvp game the one with better survivability will usually win, becuz the longer the fight goes the more chance there is for it to not be 1v1 anymore

I don't PvE often, and I talk about PvE in the PvP forum even less. I'm talking strictly PvP, and stam is easier.

Not at all.... Stam isn't able to spam 1 button to stay alive like mag can. Like I said everyone I play with will say the same thing, and most of us have been playing mmorpgs for close to 18 years now. I think we know what were talking about.

gadrïïr

Sandman929 wrote: »

Velidreth and Vipers user complaining about magicka "I WIN" buttons....ok then.

Yep. I also run black rose on my stam build. I run 5 pc julianos, 3 pc torugs, and 3 pc trans on mag, and the mag builds do better slightly, cuz I can spam 1 button to keep myself alive....

Kalebron

You can block it. Plain and simple.

gadrïïr

Kalebron wrote: »

You can block it. Plain and simple.

no *** you can block it. it also drains almost all of your stamina blocking it.

Sandman929

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

I've got 8 toons, some stam, some mag...and I don't have any clue what you're talking about. Stam is by far easier.

maybe in pve doing damage. anyone I play with who have been playing mmorpgs for a long, long time will tell you the same exact thing. mag has much better survivability, and stam can pull out more dmg. in a ava pvp game the one with better survivability will usually win, becuz the longer the fight goes the more chance there is for it to not be 1v1 anymore

I don't PvE often, and I talk about PvE in the PvP forum even less. I'm talking strictly PvP, and stam is easier.

Not at all.... Stam isn't able to spam 1 button to stay alive like mag can. Like I said everyone I play with will say the same thing, and most of us have been playing mmorpgs for close to 18 years now. I think we know what were talking about.

Oh, I didn't realize you had a team of authorities to back up the nonsense and agree with you. I stand corrected.

Universe

gadrïïr wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

Soul Assault is perfectly fine.
L2P with all due respect.
It is the templar/sorcerer's counter to the broken nightblade incapacitating strike and to the general OP status of stamina builds.
Dawnbreaker of Smithing is physical damage right now and there is no realiable low cost high dps ultimate for sorcerers.
Ice Comet ? You will just block and forget it.
It needs to stay the way it is now.

L2P you say? That's funny, cuz im pretty sure im a better player than you are in pvp. Incap makes a distinct sound, and can be easily dodged, and dawnbreaker can also be easily blocked, and doesn't drain almost all of your stamina, like this dumb excuse for an ult soul assault. it needs to be able to be bashed, and the person needs to be able to be cc'd during it, and the dmg needs to be toned down a tad, or every single mag class who wants another I win button other than healing ward will be running it.

I used soul assault on players wearing heavy armor...
Some were able to withstand it by blocking it and healing themselves.
It is not a WIN button unless you get to a low health from the first place, then it works like an execute

I don't know how you can be sure who is a better player in PVP by reading a few lines on forum.
You're more than welcome to send me a dueling request while in-game

Valen_Byte

lol block

Minalan

gadrïïr wrote: »

Kalebron wrote: »

You can block it. Plain and simple.

no *** you can block it. it also drains almost all of your stamina blocking it.

It looks like stam builds need to start investing in a little something called ... SUSTAIN.

Let's be honest. Most of you don't know what a stamina cost reduction glyph even looks like because you're too busy admiring your 4K weapon damage. Few if any of you know where a serpent mundus is, or even what it does. All of you are running DPS, proc damage, and tank sets, instead of sets that have all stam recovery and cost reduction. Stam recovery drinks help out as well.

It's time to balance your builds out. Magicka players have been running Seducer sets, cost reduction glyphs, atronach mundus stone, vampire passives, and recovery drinks since dark brotherhood came out. Magicka damage tanked, and you've been using them as AP piñatas since. That time is over.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Sandman929

Minalan wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Kalebron wrote: »

You can block it. Plain and simple.

no *** you can block it. it also drains almost all of your stamina blocking it.

It looks like stam builds need to start investing in a little something called ... SUSTAIN.

Let's be honest. Most of you don't know what a stamina cost reduction glyph even looks like because you're too busy admiring your 4K weapon damage. Few if any of you know where a serpent mundus is, or even what it does. All of you are running DPS, proc damage, and tank sets, instead of sets that have all stam recovery and cost reduction. Stam recovery drinks help out as well.

It's time to balance your builds out. Magicka players have been running Seducer sets, cost reduction glyphs, atronach mundus stone, vampire passives, and recovery drinks since dark brotherhood came out. Magicka damage tanked, and you've been using them as AP piñatas since. That time is over.

Less than 4k weapon damage?! That's madness! Just the fact that so many stamina users will lament having to actually block an attack is a clear indication of just how easy they have it.

Ghostbane

"I died, nerf this pls" - Playerbase since 2014

Magicka_DK

Lord wrote: »

Soul Assault is perfectly fine.
L2P with all due respect.
It is the magicka templar/sorcerer's counter to the broken nightblade incapacitating strike and to the general OP status of stamina builds.
Dawnbreaker of Smithing is physical damage right now and there is no realiable low cost high dps ultimate for sorcerers except Soul Assault.
Ice Comet ? You will just block and forget it.
It needs to stay the way it is now.

Because incap isnt blockable right?

gadrïïr

Valen_Byte wrote: »

lol block

LOL learn to not lose 11v2 inside your own outpost with npcs all over the place... seriously wouldn't be talking if I were you

Valen_Byte

gadrïïr wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

lol block

LOL learn to not lose 11v2 inside your own outpost with npcs all over the place... seriously wouldn't be talking if I were you

No idea what you are talking about. I haven't pvp'd in over a week and even then I have been very erratic. More or less haven't pvp'd for a month or so.

On topic: I had a duel with my son today that lasted 12 min. I hit him with soul strike 6 times. My tool tip says it will hit for 40k. He blocked, and did not die. So, block.

Mayrael

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Velidreth and Vipers user complaining about magicka "I WIN" buttons....ok then.

Yep. I also run black rose on my stam build. I run 5 pc julianos, 3 pc torugs, and 3 pc trans on mag, and the mag builds do better slightly, cuz I can spam 1 button to keep myself alive....

Umm lol? The only mag toon that has one button survivabilty is magplar. Rest of them are not even close to stam survivabilty. My stamblade can out run bolting sorc, usualy with just one or two dodge rolls + sprint with bow and than cloak few times i can escape from any zerg (with shadow image it would be even easier). Even without cloak, combination of eternal hunt, vigor, roll, rally, roll, vigor arround any terrian is just hilarious. Without magplar or few cursing sorcs it is impossible to kill me. My stamblade survived much more situations 1vX than my magplar or sorc as they both can only block dmg not avoid them. One roll mitigates completly even 200 lethal arrows or charges. One shield or heal can at best mitigate 2 arrows. Also shielding and healing doesnt change your situation at all as you stand still most of the time rooted or snared waiting to get wrecked by dizzy swing spam. Roll dodge not only mitigates every single target non chanelled skill but also removes roots and ignores snares and this is the most important thing as standing in the middle of enemy group will lead you only to death as there is no heal or shield that can last vs 3+ decent players. While with roll dodge you can mitigate completly most of the dmg now matter how many ppl attacks you + you can reposition your self behind wall, tree, rock whever you like. So yeah. This needs a counter just as shields have shieldbreaker, heals have defile and fasallas, dodge have now SA.

thankyourat

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

I've got 8 toons, some stam, some mag...and I don't have any clue what you're talking about. Stam is by far easier.

maybe in pve doing damage. anyone I play with who have been playing mmorpgs for a long, long time will tell you the same exact thing. mag has much better survivability, and stam can pull out more dmg. in a ava pvp game the one with better survivability will usually win, becuz the longer the fight goes the more chance there is for it to not be 1v1 anymore

I don't PvE often, and I talk about PvE in the PvP forum even less. I'm talking strictly PvP, and stam is easier.

Not at all.... Stam isn't able to spam 1 button to stay alive like mag can. Like I said everyone I play with will say the same thing, and most of us have been playing mmorpgs for close to 18 years now. I think we know what were talking about.

Lol what one button can mag spam and stay alive I'm confused. You can't mean healing ward half the time you don't even get the burst heal. plus if you are spamming healing ward you aren't doing any damage and healing ward isn't cheap you are draining your resources. And draining your stamina because they will cc once they realize what you are doing. Shields are strong but they are in no way better than dodge roll, cause not only does dodge roll avoid damage it can also be used to line of sight. Magicka has it's place and is really effective in its many situations, but for solo play stamina is just alot more survivable

gadrïïr

Mayrael wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Velidreth and Vipers user complaining about magicka "I WIN" buttons....ok then.

Yep. I also run black rose on my stam build. I run 5 pc julianos, 3 pc torugs, and 3 pc trans on mag, and the mag builds do better slightly, cuz I can spam 1 button to keep myself alive....

Umm lol? The only mag toon that has one button survivabilty is magplar. Rest of them are not even close to stam survivabilty. My stamblade can out run bolting sorc, usualy with just one or two dodge rolls + sprint with bow and than cloak few times i can escape from any zerg (with shadow image it would be even easier). Even without cloak, combination of eternal hunt, vigor, roll, rally, roll, vigor arround any terrian is just hilarious. Without magplar or few cursing sorcs it is impossible to kill me. My stamblade survived much more situations 1vX than my magplar or sorc as they both can only block dmg not avoid them. One roll mitigates completly even 200 lethal arrows or charges. One shield or heal can at best mitigate 2 arrows. Also shielding and healing doesnt change your situation at all as you stand still most of the time rooted or snared waiting to get wrecked by dizzy swing spam. Roll dodge not only mitigates every single target non chanelled skill but also removes roots and ignores snares and this is the most important thing as standing in the middle of enemy group will lead you only to death as there is no heal or shield that can last vs 3+ decent players. While with roll dodge you can mitigate completly most of the dmg now matter how many ppl attacks you + you can reposition your self behind wall, tree, rock whever you like. So yeah. This needs a counter just as shields have shieldbreaker, heals have defile and fasallas, dodge have now SA.

Any mag build can spam healing ward, and if youre not dumb can get the heal on yourself its really not that hard. Also theres a very very small % of players wearing shieldbreaker, or fasallas, and last you can't spam dodge rolling unless you sacrifice a *** ton of your cp, and weapon damage basically gimping your character. keep trying, cuz you have no idea what you're talking about.

gadrïïr

thankyourat wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

I've got 8 toons, some stam, some mag...and I don't have any clue what you're talking about. Stam is by far easier.

maybe in pve doing damage. anyone I play with who have been playing mmorpgs for a long, long time will tell you the same exact thing. mag has much better survivability, and stam can pull out more dmg. in a ava pvp game the one with better survivability will usually win, becuz the longer the fight goes the more chance there is for it to not be 1v1 anymore

I don't PvE often, and I talk about PvE in the PvP forum even less. I'm talking strictly PvP, and stam is easier.

Not at all.... Stam isn't able to spam 1 button to stay alive like mag can. Like I said everyone I play with will say the same thing, and most of us have been playing mmorpgs for close to 18 years now. I think we know what were talking about.

Lol what one button can mag spam and stay alive I'm confused. You can't mean healing ward half the time you don't even get the burst heal. plus if you are spamming healing ward you aren't doing any damage and healing ward isn't cheap you are draining your resources. And draining your stamina because they will cc once they realize what you are doing. Shields are strong but they are in no way better than dodge roll, cause not only does dodge roll avoid damage it can also be used to line of sight. Magicka has it's place and is really effective in its many situations, but for solo play stamina is just alot more survivable

Yes I do mean healing ward, as its not that hard to move away from your own players to make sure you get the heal on yourself if you really need it. Also mag doesn't need any regen, even though people keep trying to argue stam doesn't, stam needs regen to dodge roll, and needs to sacrifice cp to put into tumbling to be able to do it a significant amount of times. With mag you can run heavy armor, and a resto staff, and literally do 2-3 heavy attacks from oom, and your back at full mag. you should try it sometime. you would be amazed at the fact you can run about 600 regen on a mag build, and not have any trouble at all with resources. try doing that on a stam build other than a stam sorc..

MalakithAlamahdi

gadrïïr wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

Soul Assault is perfectly fine.
L2P with all due respect.
It is the templar/sorcerer's counter to the broken nightblade incapacitating strike and to the general OP status of stamina builds.
Dawnbreaker of Smithing is physical damage right now and there is no realiable low cost high dps ultimate for sorcerers.
Ice Comet ? You will just block and forget it.
It needs to stay the way it is now.

L2P you say? That's funny, cuz im pretty sure im a better player than you are in pvp. Incap makes a distinct sound, and can be easily dodged, and dawnbreaker can also be easily blocked, and doesn't drain almost all of your stamina, like this dumb excuse for an ult soul assault. it needs to be able to be bashed, and the person needs to be able to be cc'd during it, and the dmg needs to be toned down a tad, or every single mag class who wants another I win button other than healing ward will be running it.

If you can easily block a dawnbreaker then you've never fought a decent player, the ones that hit me don't even show on my screen. As for incap, you can use it every 6 seconds or so, it's OP. I play all classes both stamina and magicka.

Mayrael

gadrïïr wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Velidreth and Vipers user complaining about magicka "I WIN" buttons....ok then.

Yep. I also run black rose on my stam build. I run 5 pc julianos, 3 pc torugs, and 3 pc trans on mag, and the mag builds do better slightly, cuz I can spam 1 button to keep myself alive....

Umm lol? The only mag toon that has one button survivabilty is magplar. Rest of them are not even close to stam survivabilty. My stamblade can out run bolting sorc, usualy with just one or two dodge rolls + sprint with bow and than cloak few times i can escape from any zerg (with shadow image it would be even easier). Even without cloak, combination of eternal hunt, vigor, roll, rally, roll, vigor arround any terrian is just hilarious. Without magplar or few cursing sorcs it is impossible to kill me. My stamblade survived much more situations 1vX than my magplar or sorc as they both can only block dmg not avoid them. One roll mitigates completly even 200 lethal arrows or charges. One shield or heal can at best mitigate 2 arrows. Also shielding and healing doesnt change your situation at all as you stand still most of the time rooted or snared waiting to get wrecked by dizzy swing spam. Roll dodge not only mitigates every single target non chanelled skill but also removes roots and ignores snares and this is the most important thing as standing in the middle of enemy group will lead you only to death as there is no heal or shield that can last vs 3+ decent players. While with roll dodge you can mitigate completly most of the dmg now matter how many ppl attacks you + you can reposition your self behind wall, tree, rock whever you like. So yeah. This needs a counter just as shields have shieldbreaker, heals have defile and fasallas, dodge have now SA.

Any mag build can spam healing ward, and if youre not dumb can get the heal on yourself its really not that hard. Also theres a very very small % of players wearing shieldbreaker, or fasallas, and last you can't spam dodge rolling unless you sacrifice a *** ton of your cp, and weapon damage basically gimping your character. keep trying, cuz you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you dont know how to have high burst and good resource managment on stam toon its not my problem, my stamblade is doing very well same as 80% of stam cyrodiil (isnt it best sign that there is something wrong with balance?), so yeah keep trying PS. Arguments ad personam shouldnt be used in meritotic discution.

Kas

Mayrael wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

How it made it out of PTS?

1) It was introduced a bit later, not in 2.6.0 and has been tested less than other changes
2) 90% of PTS feedback is from people who haven't even played there but just repeat somehting they've heard. Cayn anyone believe that "2h ult OP" outcry now?
3) Almost everyone duelled on the PTS. If you're good and know what's coming you can deal wit soul assault. The bigger problem only starts when you get Xv1'ed with it

Like being hit with 2-3 dawnbreakers at a time wouldnt kill you. If not, 3 SAs wouldnt kill you to. Maybe its not the best design but at least magica has now ulti that can be used in a fight and is worth sloting.

none of them is range and if we add metoer to the mix, it got a telegraph. blocked, none of those will kill you and a "normal" build has the stamina to block all of them easily - except for soul assaults

tbh i'm fine with soul assault. it doesn't really affect me. still I guess it's very frustrating for all those who like run around in their faction's zerg. anyone trying to make interesting plays will get beamed. so all stay back and siege each other. imho that's even worse than before but then again, I don't really care what happens to that zerg v zerg at alessia bridge...

Derra

Magicka_DK wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

Soul Assault is perfectly fine.
L2P with all due respect.
It is the magicka templar/sorcerer's counter to the broken nightblade incapacitating strike and to the general OP status of stamina builds.
Dawnbreaker of Smithing is physical damage right now and there is no realiable low cost high dps ultimate for sorcerers except Soul Assault.
Ice Comet ? You will just block and forget it.
It needs to stay the way it is now.

Because incap isnt blockable right?

Are you suggesting everyone should permablock until the NB has used their incap or how do you block an instant skill that has no telegraph to being used if animationcanceled properly?

Valen_Byte

gadrïïr wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

lol block

LOL learn to not lose 11v2 inside your own outpost with npcs all over the place... seriously wouldn't be talking if I were you

No idea what you are talking about. I haven't pvp'd in over a week and even then I have been very erratic. More or less haven't pvp'd for a month or so.

On topic: I had a duel with my son today that lasted 12 min. I hit him with soul strike 6 times. My tool tip says it will hit for 40k. He blocked, and did not die. So, block.

You must have a bad memory then, cuz myself, and sora 2 manned 11 people in your guild inside nikel while npcs were beating on us. seriously like I said, you really really shouldn't be talking. you are a horrible player...

As I said already, I havent pvpd in like a month. My guild hasnt either. This must have been a while back. Im sure you have a screenshot or video you could provide as proof. Sounds like it was a big deal for you. A shining moment in your eso career. You should print somthing out and frame it so you can always renember that insignifigant day.

If Im horrible, thats fine. Im a good father to my children and a good husband to my wife. Thats enough for me in this life.

You, you are living in a shadow. You put yourself there. Its sad really.

Waffennacht

Valen_Byte wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

lol block

LOL learn to not lose 11v2 inside your own outpost with npcs all over the place... seriously wouldn't be talking if I were you

No idea what you are talking about. I haven't pvp'd in over a week and even then I have been very erratic. More or less haven't pvp'd for a month or so.

On topic: I had a duel with my son today that lasted 12 min. I hit him with soul strike 6 times. My tool tip says it will hit for 40k. He blocked, and did not die. So, block.

You must have a bad memory then, cuz myself, and sora 2 manned 11 people in your guild inside nikel while npcs were beating on us. seriously like I said, you really really shouldn't be talking. you are a horrible player...

As I said already, I havent pvpd in like a month. My guild hasnt either. This must have been a while back. Im sure you have a screenshot or video you could provide as proof. Sounds like it was a big deal for you. A shining moment in your eso career. You should print somthing out and frame it so you can always renember that insignifigant day.

If Im horrible, thats fine. Im a good father to my children and a good husband to my wife. Thats enough for me in this life.

You, you are living in a shadow. You put yourself there. Its sad really.

The only thing that matters right there.

Minalan

Waffennacht wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

lol block

LOL learn to not lose 11v2 inside your own outpost with npcs all over the place... seriously wouldn't be talking if I were you

No idea what you are talking about. I haven't pvp'd in over a week and even then I have been very erratic. More or less haven't pvp'd for a month or so.

On topic: I had a duel with my son today that lasted 12 min. I hit him with soul strike 6 times. My tool tip says it will hit for 40k. He blocked, and did not die. So, block.

You must have a bad memory then, cuz myself, and sora 2 manned 11 people in your guild inside nikel while npcs were beating on us. seriously like I said, you really really shouldn't be talking. you are a horrible player...

As I said already, I havent pvpd in like a month. My guild hasnt either. This must have been a while back. Im sure you have a screenshot or video you could provide as proof. Sounds like it was a big deal for you. A shining moment in your eso career. You should print somthing out and frame it so you can always renember that insignifigant day.

If Im horrible, thats fine. Im a good father to my children and a good husband to my wife. Thats enough for me in this life.

You, you are living in a shadow. You put yourself there. Its sad really.

The only thing that matters right there.

Agreed 100%.

Ignore the toxic peon children in these forums.

zuto40

Hexys wrote: »

Give us magicka dawnbreaker then.

Give us stamina meteor