this must be a joke...

gadrïïr

you have got to be kidding me with soul assault. how that made it out of pts is ridiculous. wtf is wrong with the devs from this game? if u have less than 25% stam, and get hit by it, and nowhere to los it doesn't matter if youre at 100% hp its gg, cuz its hitting for 25k-30k. who ever let that get out of pts like that needs to get a diff job, cuz they clearly don't know what theyre doing.

the dude who killed me with it had his 1st kb on me also, and I had 13 on him. about 20 minutes later im 14-4 vs him. obviously something needs to be done with that when u go 13-0 vs some1 for a cpl weeks, and then all of a sudden 1 skill can completely turn that around, and have them going 4-1 against u. this is supposed to be a skill based game, and all these proc sets, and ults doing more than ur hp bar is the most broken *** ive ever seen in any mmorpg

Berenhir

No, this is not a skill based game. The combat development team has clearly stated that they want everybody to just play and be successful. The skills are supposed to look good and feel awesome, even if the caster does not remember what the skill actually does.

I myself was told that KD ratio is no unit of measurement in this game and that it is not Call of Duty. So no matter how often you die and don't accomplish anything, be grateful that you have such amazing animations playing and be played on you!

So just expect to get rekt by every fool who can watch a YouTube video, that is how this games combat system is supposed to work.

Beardimus

As broken as the OP Stamina Meta of most of 2016?

You've died 14 times, alot of magika users deaths are in the 1000's

Not starting a argument just saying Magika users have felt that about Fear alone for months. Let's alone all the other CC's you get in the game. 30k health does nothing if youre running away shields down screaming for 4 seconds so its paralell at best

Fatalyis

I can't comment on Soul Assault yet....only had one instance where it was used on me (which really surprised me) and while he did kill me with it, I also took two fire ballista shots to the face. I was expecting to see everybody and their brother casting this thing, considering the buff it got.

Picked it up on my magblade so maybe I can be cool too

CapuchinSeven

I play a stamina NB with Viper and I play a magicka NB currently using Soul Assault and SA is very powerful but still doesn't come close to the faceroll I can manage with my stamina build.

You can dismiss that as whatever you want, but it's true. If I don't line someone up for a SA it will (and was a lot last night) be shurged off with shields, healing and blocking.

YES, it is very strong and in any other situation I'd say OP but frankly it's NOTHING next to the crap most magic players have to put up with from stamina damage face rolling.

CapuchinSeven

Fatalyis wrote: »

I can't comment on Soul Assault yet....only had one instance where it was used on me (which really surprised me) and while he did kill me with it, I also took two fire ballista shots to the face. I was expecting to see everybody and their brother casting this thing, considering the buff it got.

Picked it up on my magblade so maybe I can be cool too

Works well on a Magblade and a Destro Staff I'm finding, should be used as an execute basically. Line them up for it, likely low on stamina and then CC'd and then hit them with it. Very powerful.

Methariorn

Having both magicka and stamina build (but I most play my magicka sorc and templar) I can say that SA is nothing compared to the Velidreth + Viper/Widowmaker cancer build most stamina build use. SA need to get you with low stamina and really no place to run to go los. What I don't understood why the devs can't just take some times to belance the magicka/stamina issue and bring damange back into a decent scale.

TheBonesXXX

I think if they just went with the Oblivion model for aiming and skill usage this game would be skill based. Being required to predict where your opponent will be for skills is a hell of a lot more of a challenge.

thankyourat

Did you ever think the only reason you were beating him before was because your build was better than his. There are some stamina characters who beat my magblade even though I outplay them, that's just the way it is

MalakithAlamahdi

Did you get hit by bow ulti before while they still do their regular dps on you? Bet not, then this post wouldn't be about soul assault.

Rikumaru

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Did you get hit by bow ulti before while they still do their regular dps on you? Bet not, then this post wouldn't be about soul assault.

Bow ulti is dodgeable and also apparently reflectable. It also costs 175 ulti to cast, deals less damage and can be CCed if using poison morph.

Minalan

Boo hoo! I can't effortlessly farm a magicka class 13-0 anymore with two buttons!

Now we have stam players crying about a magicka ultimate, when they have dawnbreaker, the new 2H ultimate, and incap strike.

Do you realize how ironic and utterly stupid this thread is?! You have three times the cancer...

And of course ZOS is going to change the game for these potatoes again.

LuminaLilly

Whenever a stameta hopper gets put face down in the dirt by a magic build, they start a thread about it.

Hexys

Give us magicka dawnbreaker then.

Bandit1215

Imagine if SA stunned you as well, kinda like DB but it's single target

NaysaSimone

Beardimus wrote: »

As broken as the OP Stamina Meta of most of 2016?

You've died 14 times, alot of magika users deaths are in the 1000's

Not starting a argument just saying Magika users have felt that about Fear alone for months. Let's alone all the other CC's you get in the game. 30k health does nothing if youre running away shields down screaming for 4 seconds so its paralell at best

I couldn't agree more with this.
Sure SA is deadly BUT so are most stam builds in general. I love my magic builds and 90% of my toons are magic and its amazing to finally be able to go toe to toe with a stam build. In my opinion it's a start to evening out the playing field and sure i've wrecked some stam players but vise versa, I just finally feel like i have a chance again.

Sublime

Berenhir wrote: »

No, this is not a skill based game. The combat development team has clearly stated that they want everybody to just play and be successful. The skills are supposed to look good and feel awesome, even if the caster does not remember what the skill actually does.

I myself was told that KD ratio is no unit of measurement in this game and that it is not Call of Duty. So no matter how often you die and don't accomplish anything, be grateful that you have such amazing animations playing and be played on you!

So just expect to get rekt by every fool who can watch a YouTube video, that is how this games combat system is supposed to work.

The most concise post I've seen on the forums as of yet. By far.

gadrïïr

I play both a mag, and stam sorc mostly, and I don't even run soul assault on my mag, cuz of how broken it is. A friend of mine who I always group with runs a mag sorc, and uses soul assault, and will be the first to tell you how broken it is. I also stated that the proc sets are broken as well in the 2nd paragraph, cuz they are out of control also. I know how to counter it, but if you're fighting other players outside a keep, and that person using soul assault is sitting on top of the wall he can just use it on you as you're in mid fight with someone else, and more often than not you won't have enough stamina to block it, and even if you do, it drains you're stam, and now you're forced to fight without your main resource, because someone is hiding on a wall using a low cost, high damage ult on you. you have little to no chance in this scenario, or most others in group fights...

Also the fact I play both mag, and stam sorcs I can tell you first hand that mag is not at as big of a disadvantage as everyone makes it out to be. Yes stamina does more damage, but magicka has far more survivability, and its not even comparable.

The game should be more balanced in both aspects, but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now though, in PvP most good players on mag builds have a distinct advantage, because they will put out enough damage to kill people no problem, but can also tank several people with heavy armor being the way it is, and block casting, and spamming healing ward. My stam sorc has a great build, and my mag sorcs build is crap right now, but yet my stam sorc has a 15-1 k/d, and mag sorc has about an 18-1 k/d, because he can tank, and heal himself very easily against almost any damage, and still put out enough damage to kill. I'm also far better on stam sorc than I am on mag sorc, but the mag sorc being able to spam one button to keep himself alive is the big difference between the two.

MalakithAlamahdi

Yes stamina does more damage, but magicka has far more survivability, and its not even comparable

Ha. Any stam class has more survivability then it's magicka counterparts, except for maybe the Templar. But the Templar will hit like a wet noodle so you can just ignore those.

Kas

How it made it out of PTS?

1) It was introduced a bit later, not in 2.6.0 and has been tested less than other changes
2) 90% of PTS feedback is from people who haven't even played there but just repeat somehting they've heard. Cayn anyone believe that "2h ult OP" outcry now?
3) Almost everyone duelled on the PTS. If you're good and know what's coming you can deal wit soul assault. The bigger problem only starts when you get Xv1'ed with it

Mayrael

Kas wrote: »

How it made it out of PTS?

1) It was introduced a bit later, not in 2.6.0 and has been tested less than other changes
2) 90% of PTS feedback is from people who haven't even played there but just repeat somehting they've heard. Cayn anyone believe that "2h ult OP" outcry now?
3) Almost everyone duelled on the PTS. If you're good and know what's coming you can deal wit soul assault. The bigger problem only starts when you get Xv1'ed with it

Like being hit with 2-3 dawnbreakers at a time wouldnt kill you. If not, 3 SAs wouldnt kill you to. Maybe its not the best design but at least magica has now ulti that can be used in a fight and is worth sloting.

Hexys

Soul assault gives magicka users a chance in 1v1 situations to burn the Heavy Armor Black Rose users their stamina. As they are forced to block it or get to much pressure, heavy armor is still to strong in my opinion, they can afford to much mistakes.

Magicka_DK

As a Magdk i know im ***

Eirella

Ahahaha get rekt stambads

thankyourat

gadrïïr wrote: »

I play both a mag, and stam sorc mostly, and I don't even run soul assault on my mag, cuz of how broken it is. A friend of mine who I always group with runs a mag sorc, and uses soul assault, and will be the first to tell you how broken it is. I also stated that the proc sets are broken as well in the 2nd paragraph, cuz they are out of control also. I know how to counter it, but if you're fighting other players outside a keep, and that person using soul assault is sitting on top of the wall he can just use it on you as you're in mid fight with someone else, and more often than not you won't have enough stamina to block it, and even if you do, it drains you're stam, and now you're forced to fight without your main resource, because someone is hiding on a wall using a low cost, high damage ult on you. you have little to no chance in this scenario, or most others in group fights...

Also the fact I play both mag, and stam sorcs I can tell you first hand that mag is not at as big of a disadvantage as everyone makes it out to be. Yes stamina does more damage, but magicka has far more survivability, and its not even comparable.

The game should be more balanced in both aspects, but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now though, in PvP most good players on mag builds have a distinct advantage, because they will put out enough damage to kill people no problem, but can also tank several people with heavy armor being the way it is, and block casting, and spamming healing ward. My stam sorc has a great build, and my mag sorcs build is crap right now, but yet my stam sorc has a 15-1 k/d, and mag sorc has about an 18-1 k/d, because he can tank, and heal himself very easily against almost any damage, and still put out enough damage to kill. I'm also far better on stam sorc than I am on mag sorc, but the mag sorc being able to spam one button to keep himself alive is the big difference between the two.

That's only for group play though. I play both magblade (main), and stamblade and for solo play my stamblade not only has more damage, it also has more survivability because of fast sprint speed and dodge roll. I think most of the complaining about magicka being weaker comes from small group and solo PVPers, where the lack of mobility along with the lack of damage and weakness to snares and CCs really show up. Magicka is still good in large group play because of shields and you can fight at range in the back behind your group. Unless you are a mag dk lol.

bowmanz607

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

gadrïïr

thankyourat wrote: »

gadrïïr wrote: »

I play both a mag, and stam sorc mostly, and I don't even run soul assault on my mag, cuz of how broken it is. A friend of mine who I always group with runs a mag sorc, and uses soul assault, and will be the first to tell you how broken it is. I also stated that the proc sets are broken as well in the 2nd paragraph, cuz they are out of control also. I know how to counter it, but if you're fighting other players outside a keep, and that person using soul assault is sitting on top of the wall he can just use it on you as you're in mid fight with someone else, and more often than not you won't have enough stamina to block it, and even if you do, it drains you're stam, and now you're forced to fight without your main resource, because someone is hiding on a wall using a low cost, high damage ult on you. you have little to no chance in this scenario, or most others in group fights...

Also the fact I play both mag, and stam sorcs I can tell you first hand that mag is not at as big of a disadvantage as everyone makes it out to be. Yes stamina does more damage, but magicka has far more survivability, and its not even comparable.

The game should be more balanced in both aspects, but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now though, in PvP most good players on mag builds have a distinct advantage, because they will put out enough damage to kill people no problem, but can also tank several people with heavy armor being the way it is, and block casting, and spamming healing ward. My stam sorc has a great build, and my mag sorcs build is crap right now, but yet my stam sorc has a 15-1 k/d, and mag sorc has about an 18-1 k/d, because he can tank, and heal himself very easily against almost any damage, and still put out enough damage to kill. I'm also far better on stam sorc than I am on mag sorc, but the mag sorc being able to spam one button to keep himself alive is the big difference between the two.

That's only for group play though. I play both magblade (main), and stamblade and for solo play my stamblade not only has more damage, it also has more survivability because of fast sprint speed and dodge roll. I think most of the complaining about magicka being weaker comes from small group and solo PVPers, where the lack of mobility along with the lack of damage and weakness to snares and CCs really show up. Magicka is still good in large group play because of shields and you can fight at range in the back behind your group. Unless you are a mag dk lol.

I'm actually talking about small group, and solo play. I don't group in anything larger than 6 players, and often times am solo. My mag sorc with a crappy build fares better than my stam sorc who is running 5 pc black rose, 5 pc viper, and 2 pc veli. my mag sorc is running 5 pc julianos, 3 pc torugs pact, and 3 pc trans. The difference is my mag sorc can spam healing ward, and stay alive through multiple people attacking me.

gadrïïr

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

Sandman929

gadrïïr wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Omg someone caught you in the open with your pence down using an ult which is supposed to hit hard. Get over yourself. Manage your resources better then. Are you a MG build? Use shields. As a stam build you had an advantage for numerous months over mag in several aspects. Big one being better ult choice. Now that player has an effective skill to ult you with is all. If anything your previous record could illustrate the divide between mag and stam not your skill necessarily. Where your later results could simply illustrate a divide that is closing the gap.

I run both, and like I said the mag class fares better. Stam builds didn't have an advantage for months. They have a couple ults that are based off stam, and every other ult is based off mag. Before that every single ult was based off mag except the dks dragon leap. With dawnbreaker also the ult basically every person thinks is OP you have to get in front of the person/persons you want to use it on, and drop it. With soul assault which btw hits much, much harder than dawnbreaker You can hide behind a zerg spamming it, cuz it costs 100 ult, and 85 on a sorc. If you try to block Dawnbreaker it takes about 5% of ur stam. Not a big deal. Try blocking the full duration of Soul Assault, which is your only defense most of the time on a stam build. Even 1v1 it drains your stam so much that you're now forced to finish the fight with low resources, which is a killer on stam builds. Other mag builds can just shield thru it no problem, cuz their survivability is much, much better than stam builds. Im not sure we are all playing the same game here, cuz stam is not, and was not op in pvp at all. They do more damage, so pve im sure theyre better damage dealers, but survivability is lacking compared to a mag build by far. The devs should try to balance those 2 aspects, but obviously it's not easy, or else it would have been done.

I've got 8 toons, some stam, some mag...and I don't have any clue what you're talking about. Stam is by far easier.

gadrïïr

thankyourat wrote: »

Did you ever think the only reason you were beating him before was because your build was better than his. There are some stamina characters who beat my magblade even though I outplay them, that's just the way it is

No, cuz that would mean my mag sorcs build is better than my stam sorc, and both characters builds were better than basically everyone elses. Both builds are incomplete, but I do very well on both, with my mag sorc doing a bit better with basic crafted sets, and no monster sets. My stam sorc has better gear by far, but his veli helm is training, and shoulders are well fitted. his viper weps are not sharpened either, and so im at a disadvantage against other players who have impen, and sharpened. My mag sorc runs with a 5 pc julianos, 3 pc torugs, and 3 pc trans, and his k/d is 18-1 vs my stam sorcs who is 15-1 who even though doesn't have impen, and sharpened still obviously has a much, much better build.

Universe

Soul Assault is perfectly fine.
L2P with all due respect.
It is the magicka templar/sorcerer's counter to the broken nightblade incapacitating strike and to the general OP status of stamina builds.
Dawnbreaker of Smithing is physical damage right now and there is no realiable low cost high dps ultimate for sorcerers except Soul Assault.
Ice Comet ? You will just block and forget it.
It needs to stay the way it is now.