Velidreth is OP

Paraflex

I been spending a decent amount of time pvping and to be honest Vieldreth is never and issue. Sure it's RNG and helps with burst but I'd be more afraid of a meteor or negate...hell Malubeth is more annoying than Vieldreth...its totally fine

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Vicious Death and Proxi in my opinion are the most annoying combo. I hardly ever die to this combo but it makes me sad to see my allies die to this crap every day.

Zergs still Zerg. All this combo does is give a short cut to AP gains and ranks.


Have yet to die to Velidrith... but i dont think many players have the set yet.

Mayrael

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Yeah velidreth is op, Selenes Visage is easy to counter unless youre cced, but Tremorscale set is wtf... 50% chance to hit rly hard, I sense new opnes from DK tanks with S&B. And still magica has just one.set like that that % of dots, which is balanced as you need to use dots to get proc of burst dmg, and other sets on direct dmg proc dot dmg, while stamina has high chance burst sets that deal insane burst dmg, yeah nothing wrong.with that at all...

Cogo

You options are both wrong.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

it may seem op, but there is about to be a ton of sets that do this so it seems moot

Stoopid_Nwah

Hankrabbit wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

so you can gank heavy armour players with over 30k HP and shuffle on in 1 second without proc sets? Show me! With this sets i can gank every target. I Killed a 50k HP Blazing Shield Tank in 2 seconds yesterday lol

Edit: have you seen the whole video ? There are also a few 1vsX and 1vs1 situations. This sets do not only work for gankers

Lol I can do that with my destro magicka nb...my heavy attack alone crits for 24k, so add in the concealed and soul harvest combo and I can gank targets with 30k health quite comfortably.

Berenhir

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

so you can gank heavy armour players with over 30k HP and shuffle on in 1 second without proc sets? Show me! With this sets i can gank every target. I Killed a 50k HP Blazing Shield Tank in 2 seconds yesterday lol

Edit: have you seen the whole video ? There are also a few 1vsX and 1vs1 situations. This sets do not only work for gankers

Lol I can do that with my destro magicka nb...my heavy attack alone crits for 24k, so add in the concealed and soul harvest combo and I can gank targets with 30k health quite comfortably.

Soooo. I am really curious. What stats and sets enable you to crit on someone wearing 5 heavy for 24k with a destro heavy attack from a magblade in pvp? As that would mean you have a setup that enables you to hit for over 60k in PVE with your heavy attack only.

Stoopid_Nwah

Berenhir wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

so you can gank heavy armour players with over 30k HP and shuffle on in 1 second without proc sets? Show me! With this sets i can gank every target. I Killed a 50k HP Blazing Shield Tank in 2 seconds yesterday lol

Edit: have you seen the whole video ? There are also a few 1vsX and 1vs1 situations. This sets do not only work for gankers

Lol I can do that with my destro magicka nb...my heavy attack alone crits for 24k, so add in the concealed and soul harvest combo and I can gank targets with 30k health quite comfortably.

Soooo. I am really curious. What stats and sets enable you to crit on someone wearing 5 heavy for 24k with a destro heavy attack from a magblade in pvp? As that would mean you have a setup that enables you to hit for over 60k in PVE with your heavy attack only.

I can gank heavy armour users with 30k hp by doing my heavy attack+lotus fan in+soul harvest. If they have upwards of 35k then I'll use concealed to finish them after soul harvest.

Additionally, I should have worded it better above to clarify that my highest heavy attacks in pvp have hit for 24k crit so I can only assume those players were light armour glass cannons. On average I would say I find my heavy crits against impen users and medium/heavy armour wearers crit for 16k, the lotus fan crits for 6k, the soul harvest for 11k. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower but I really never know until I go for it. The only time I really struggle against heavy armour wearers is when they have magelight slotted or happen to put a shield up right before my heavy fires off.

I have around 42k Max magicka, buffed up 4600 spell damage, 50% crit, and I run the shadow.

Here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZhCFb1SNk

AmericanSpy

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Your video only shows the unbalanced classes, not armor sets. Many other classes can run that same build with different results.

Also, no voting in a biased poll, I dont think Vel is OP, and I dont own it. Everyone wants ESO to balance around PVP, while PVP in both players and developers minds is just a PART of the game, not the WHOLE game. You can say a set is OP cause someone figured out how to max it's effectiveness in PVP, and yet, I dont see forum posts complaining about the guy running it in the Trial next to you burning down bosses for your group. All you PVP centralized thinkers are whats killing this game, not ZOS.

Stoopid_Nwah

AmericanSpy wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Your video only shows the unbalanced classes, not armor sets. Many other classes can run that same build with different results.

Also, no voting in a biased poll, I dont think Vel is OP, and I dont own it. Everyone wants ESO to balance around PVP, while PVP in both players and developers minds is just a PART of the game, not the WHOLE game. You can say a set is OP cause someone figured out how to max it's effectiveness in PVP, and yet, I dont see forum posts complaining about the guy running it in the Trial next to you burning down bosses for your group. All you PVP centralized thinkers are whats killing this game, not ZOS.

It's difficult because I really think PVP and PVE skill setups should be different (I like major evasion in PVE, but don't think it belongs in PVP).

I think the combination of the proc-sets (veli+vipers+hunt) is what really pushes things into "OP" land. Stam users get their regen, damage, and defense all in one tidy little package. So is veli on its own OP? I don't think so, but I also don't think it needed a buff lol. It's annoying when it procs off of bow attacks and when you end up melee ranged when it procs, but when you're ranged it is pretty easy to avoid. I think Selene's might bring quite a bit more "nerf" threads tbh.

OrphanHelgen

No its ok because I use it.

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

ToRelax

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

Nope, magicka has it's share of insanely OP sets. Not it's fair share compared to stamina mind you, but something like Velidreth for magicka won't bring us any closer to balance.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

really?!

it's a mmorpg or fps CoD style ?

A Nb with viper+veli+inc.strike oneshot a person ....then veli+viper+hunt is uncommentable

velidreth must be a set by 5 pieces ...all set with 5th bonus (Veli , selene's visage ecc..)high damage must be done with 5 pieces

The great thing about this game was that it was not item's based ..each build was valid , now no .

it's paid who bilanced this game ? I ask myself .. Oh they are occupied to creating new costumes -.-

sure ,i definitely don't renew the eso plus ..for this and for the usual server management problems

Edziu

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

really?!

it's a mmorpg or fps CoD style ?

A Nb with viper+veli+inc.strike oneshot a person ....then veli+viper+hunt is uncommentable

velidreth must be a set by 5 pieces ...all set with 5th bonus (Veli , selene's visage ecc..)high damage must be done with 5 pieces

The great thing about this game was that it was not item's based ..each build was valid , now no .

it's paid who bilanced this game ...Oh they are committed to creating new costumes -.-

those sets are good for someone who going to be glass cannon, for 1shoting people....but now all who dont have burst using this, builds on max regen etc using viper and rest of these sets to raise they burst with combos by nothing, they on max sustain build can have burst in 1-2 sec like someone glass cannon without these sets, here is problem, he on max regen is very hard to kill + sets for burst while he lack with skill burst, then easily tokill glass cannon with same burst without mthese set....with same burst as max regen build with viper, veli, red mountain

Lucky28

I don't really think Validreth itself is OP. however, combine it with Viper's, Widowmaker etc. and that's just stupid.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Edziu wrote: »

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

really?!

it's a mmorpg or fps CoD style ?

A Nb with viper+veli+inc.strike oneshot a person ....then veli+viper+hunt is uncommentable

velidreth must be a set by 5 pieces ...all set with 5th bonus (Veli , selene's visage ecc..)high damage must be done with 5 pieces

The great thing about this game was that it was not item's based ..each build was valid , now no .

it's paid who bilanced this game ...Oh they are committed to creating new costumes -.-

those sets are good for someone who going to be glass cannon, for 1shoting people....but now all who dont have burst using this, builds on max regen etc using viper and rest of these sets to raise they burst with combos by nothing, they on max sustain build can have burst in 1-2 sec like someone glass cannon without these sets, here is problem, he on max regen is very hard to kill + sets for burst while he lack with skill burst, then easily tokill glass cannon with same burst without mthese set....with same burst as max regen build with viper, veli, red mountain

in a mmorpg .. oneshot ( glass cannon) should not exist , It can exist only in fps.
here it exists because they no calibrate the game and don't use a little brain..

I play for twenty years and collaborate with a sh (field of videogames ) , there's no perfect game , but these things I've never seen.
Of course it is a personal opinion ..however....." game of the year " ... because there is no other ..mah..

Edziu

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

really?!

it's a mmorpg or fps CoD style ?

A Nb with viper+veli+inc.strike oneshot a person ....then veli+viper+hunt is uncommentable

velidreth must be a set by 5 pieces ...all set with 5th bonus (Veli , selene's visage ecc..)high damage must be done with 5 pieces

The great thing about this game was that it was not item's based ..each build was valid , now no .

it's paid who bilanced this game ...Oh they are committed to creating new costumes -.-

those sets are good for someone who going to be glass cannon, for 1shoting people....but now all who dont have burst using this, builds on max regen etc using viper and rest of these sets to raise they burst with combos by nothing, they on max sustain build can have burst in 1-2 sec like someone glass cannon without these sets, here is problem, he on max regen is very hard to kill + sets for burst while he lack with skill burst, then easily tokill glass cannon with same burst without mthese set....with same burst as max regen build with viper, veli, red mountain

in a mmorpg .. oneshot ( glass cannon) should not exist , It can exist only in fps.
here it exists because they no calibrate the game and don't use a little brain..

I play for twenty years and collaborate with a sh (field of videogames ) , there's no perfect game , but these things I've never seen.
Of course it is a personal opinion ..however....." game of the year " ... because there is no other ..mah..

so you never seen before something like this glass cannon? ok, I dont have that much xp in mmo games...but in all games are "assasins" and all have other gameplay, most of these can be like one shot build, here we have pure 1shoting burst combo, in other you have applying dot what cant be cleared, run away in hide and this dot is killing someone always or in other methods assasins can have build...
when we have normal dps builds on pvp, healer build, almost immortal tank build why then we cant have one shot build on common player? when you killing him insta you are also very low sustain...but meh, now you dont need to be glass cannon to make burst, just weal viper and veli and you can be on sustain build with burst as normal player

Stoopid_Nwah

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

really?!

it's a mmorpg or fps CoD style ?

A Nb with viper+veli+inc.strike oneshot a person ....then veli+viper+hunt is uncommentable

velidreth must be a set by 5 pieces ...all set with 5th bonus (Veli , selene's visage ecc..)high damage must be done with 5 pieces

The great thing about this game was that it was not item's based ..each build was valid , now no .

it's paid who bilanced this game ...Oh they are committed to creating new costumes -.-

those sets are good for someone who going to be glass cannon, for 1shoting people....but now all who dont have burst using this, builds on max regen etc using viper and rest of these sets to raise they burst with combos by nothing, they on max sustain build can have burst in 1-2 sec like someone glass cannon without these sets, here is problem, he on max regen is very hard to kill + sets for burst while he lack with skill burst, then easily tokill glass cannon with same burst without mthese set....with same burst as max regen build with viper, veli, red mountain

in a mmorpg .. oneshot ( glass cannon) should not exist , It can exist only in fps.
here it exists because they no calibrate the game and don't use a little brain..

I play for twenty years and collaborate with a sh (field of videogames ) , there's no perfect game , but these things I've never seen.
Of course it is a personal opinion ..however....." game of the year " ... because there is no other ..mah..

Nonsense. I consider myself to be a ganker on my magicka nb (not a proxy det bomber). If my combo works, my targets die instantly...BUT if it doesn't work and I get caught, I'm screwed. I am extremely squishy with next to no regen, but my single-target burst is insane. I think this is okay in PVP because there is a trade-off.

Veli+eternal hunt+vipers is what is irritating because stam builds get both sustain and damage (not much of a trade-off here).

AmericanSpy

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

It's difficult because I really think PVP and PVE skill setups should be different (I like major evasion in PVE, but don't think it belongs in PVP).

I think the combination of the proc-sets (veli+vipers+hunt) is what really pushes things into "OP" land. Stam users get their regen, damage, and defense all in one tidy little package. So is veli on its own OP? I don't think so, but I also don't think it needed a buff lol. It's annoying when it procs off of bow attacks and when you end up melee ranged when it procs, but when you're ranged it is pretty easy to avoid. I think Selene's might bring quite a bit more "nerf" threads tbh.

That's exactly how I feel. Originally in Cyrodil, everyone ran the 3 PvP sets that reduced other player damage. Those were only viable in PvP, leaving crafted and dungeon gear viable in PvE. With no restrictions on using gear balanced for PVE in PVP, and the release of near useless follow up PvP sets with IC, there's no reason for people not to use the strength of the "PvE Trial, Overland, and Dungeon balanced gear against other players. I think ZOS relies too heavily on "Battle Spirit" to balance PvP, with the newer armor sets its just clear that the system is just to outdated for today's state of the game.

Players need to stop going through gear reactions like "This will stupid reck in PvP, why did ZOS make this?!" and instead complain about ZOS's overall reaction to PvP imbalance. It's not Class imbalance, or skill imbalance, or even gear imbalance that's critically crippling PvP, its the lack of a defined transition from the PvE to PvP game play mechanics.

If you want a perfect example of the common player bases reaction to the game, just watch Sypher's Update 12 Gear reaction. ANYTHING not relative to PvP is automatic trash to him. People like him are the people giving feedback to ZOS, and its misguided one sided feedback. PvP has a place in this game, but so does PvE. So before anyone else considers crying OP about an item set, they should consider the practical use of the item ENTIRELY, and instead complain about ZOS's inability to properly transition players from a PvE environment into a PvP one.

leepalmer95

No its ok because I use it.

AmericanSpy wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

It's difficult because I really think PVP and PVE skill setups should be different (I like major evasion in PVE, but don't think it belongs in PVP).

I think the combination of the proc-sets (veli+vipers+hunt) is what really pushes things into "OP" land. Stam users get their regen, damage, and defense all in one tidy little package. So is veli on its own OP? I don't think so, but I also don't think it needed a buff lol. It's annoying when it procs off of bow attacks and when you end up melee ranged when it procs, but when you're ranged it is pretty easy to avoid. I think Selene's might bring quite a bit more "nerf" threads tbh.

Thats exactly how I feel. Originally in Cyrodil, everyone ran the 3 PVP sets that reduced other player damage. Those were only viable in PVP, leaving crafted and dungeon gear viable in PVE. With no restrictions on gear balanced for PVE used in PVP, and the release of near useless follow up PVP sets with IC theres no reason for people to use the strength of the Trial balanced gear against other players. I think ZOS relies too heavily on "Battle Spirit" to balance PVP, with the newer armor sets its just clear that the system is outdated for todays state of the game.

Players need to stop going through gear reactions like "This will stupid reck in PVP, why did ZOS make this?!" and instead complain about ZOS's overall reaction to PVP imbalance. It's not Class imbalance, or skill imbalance, or even gear imbalance thats critically crippling PVP, its the lack of a defined transition from the PvE to PvP game play mechanics.

If you want a perfect example of the common player bases reaction to the game, just watch Sypher's Update 12 Gear reaction. ANYTHING not relative to PvP is automatic trash to him. People like him are the people giving feedback to ZOS, and its misguided one sided feedback. PvP has a place in this game, but so does PvE. So before anyone else considers crying OP about an item set, they should consider the practical use of the item ENTIRELY, and instead complain about ZOS's inability to properly transition players from a PvE environment into a PvP one.

Well ofc he's a pvp players, why would he react to pve sets?

AmericanSpy

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Well ofc he's a pvp players, why would he react to pve sets?

First, technically there are no PvE sets, only PvP accessed sets and PvE accessed sets. Any set can be used in either role.

It's not that he doesn't react, its that he reacts negatively to non PvP viable equipment. Its that he reacts SOLELY as a PvP minded player. When he posts reviews and reactions(cause he specifically "calls" on ZOS for reaction) he ONLY speaks from a PvP perspective. I get it, Sypher PvPs. I'm not singling him out or saying he is wrong for doing his own reactions, his was just a notable example, hence why I mentioned "for example." There are PLENTY of streamers and video posts from players of like mind. Players who only choose to support THEIR aspect of an expansive game only contribute to the inability of developers to dig through all the forum rage, cause someone got 1 shot and is sore about it, and find the real issues with the game that need to be resolved. When was the last time someone popped on the forums and posted " X Set OP? Killed Trial boss EZ! Must BAN now!" PvP players emotional reaction to game play drives "gear imbalance" issues.

Like, I will say again, since you so effortlessly skimmed my post and decided to defend Sypher's honor instead of an insightful response, the issue is deeper then gear, class, or skill imbalance. The issue is ZOS's inability to balance PvP using ONLY "Battle Spirit." ZOS has taken no other actions beyond Battle Spirit to alleviate the PvP communities concerns with growing player experience issues.

Berenhir

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

so you can gank heavy armour players with over 30k HP and shuffle on in 1 second without proc sets? Show me! With this sets i can gank every target. I Killed a 50k HP Blazing Shield Tank in 2 seconds yesterday lol

Edit: have you seen the whole video ? There are also a few 1vsX and 1vs1 situations. This sets do not only work for gankers

Lol I can do that with my destro magicka nb...my heavy attack alone crits for 24k, so add in the concealed and soul harvest combo and I can gank targets with 30k health quite comfortably.

Soooo. I am really curious. What stats and sets enable you to crit on someone wearing 5 heavy for 24k with a destro heavy attack from a magblade in pvp? As that would mean you have a setup that enables you to hit for over 60k in PVE with your heavy attack only.

I can gank heavy armour users with 30k hp by doing my heavy attack+lotus fan in+soul harvest. If they have upwards of 35k then I'll use concealed to finish them after soul harvest.

Additionally, I should have worded it better above to clarify that my highest heavy attacks in pvp have hit for 24k crit so I can only assume those players were light armour glass cannons. On average I would say I find my heavy crits against impen users and medium/heavy armour wearers crit for 16k, the lotus fan crits for 6k, the soul harvest for 11k. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower but I really never know until I go for it. The only time I really struggle against heavy armour wearers is when they have magelight slotted or happen to put a shield up right before my heavy fires off.

I have around 42k Max magicka, buffed up 4600 spell damage, 50% crit, and I run the shadow.

Here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZhCFb1SNk

Thank you for the in depth answer and the cool video. Ever considered trying elegance in the mix? A 20% increase to heavy attack damage with +spell damage and ++magicka should outperform the ++magicka +++spelldamage that willpower + torugs pact combo provides, though your spell damage will of course be lower.

________

But concerning the topic you will have to admit that while you
a) sacrifice a ton of regen for your damage and
b) have to prepare every successful burst

an rng burst combatant (like Velidreth/Viper/Widowmaker) does not need to do either. His high damage sets proc with significant damage values just as long as he keeps hitting the opponent wether he has high weapon damage and low sustain or low weapon damage and high sustain or an average value for both. That means while you have to rely on a successful first attempt and an exit strategy (fear > cloak or shadow > cloak) this trade off does not exist for someone wearing velidreth and viper/widowmaker. They are rewarded for doing an initial burst from stealth (viper firing reliably, option on velidreth, poison and widowmaker) and are rewarded for staying in the fight as every moment rng can end the fight for them as long as they keep hitting the opponent. All they have to provide is a single target dps pressure and enough penetration, so nothing that isnt already built into any stamina build.

Actually its very much like a DoT Build. A DoT Build initiates the DoTs and provides the Debuffs while sustaining until the fight is over. A proc build provides the debuffs like armor pen or defile until the fight is over.
The problem is: DoTs due to their very nature can be anticipated and purged. Procs just proc. If they proc in the beginning you have all the benefits of a burst build withouth any of its disadvantages. If they proc later on, well, you have all the benefits of a DoT/sustained damage build without its disadvantages.

Stoopid_Nwah

Berenhir wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

so you can gank heavy armour players with over 30k HP and shuffle on in 1 second without proc sets? Show me! With this sets i can gank every target. I Killed a 50k HP Blazing Shield Tank in 2 seconds yesterday lol

Edit: have you seen the whole video ? There are also a few 1vsX and 1vs1 situations. This sets do not only work for gankers

Lol I can do that with my destro magicka nb...my heavy attack alone crits for 24k, so add in the concealed and soul harvest combo and I can gank targets with 30k health quite comfortably.

Soooo. I am really curious. What stats and sets enable you to crit on someone wearing 5 heavy for 24k with a destro heavy attack from a magblade in pvp? As that would mean you have a setup that enables you to hit for over 60k in PVE with your heavy attack only.

I can gank heavy armour users with 30k hp by doing my heavy attack+lotus fan in+soul harvest. If they have upwards of 35k then I'll use concealed to finish them after soul harvest.

Additionally, I should have worded it better above to clarify that my highest heavy attacks in pvp have hit for 24k crit so I can only assume those players were light armour glass cannons. On average I would say I find my heavy crits against impen users and medium/heavy armour wearers crit for 16k, the lotus fan crits for 6k, the soul harvest for 11k. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower but I really never know until I go for it. The only time I really struggle against heavy armour wearers is when they have magelight slotted or happen to put a shield up right before my heavy fires off.

I have around 42k Max magicka, buffed up 4600 spell damage, 50% crit, and I run the shadow.

Here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZhCFb1SNk

Thank you for the in depth answer and the cool video. Ever considered trying elegance in the mix? A 20% increase to heavy attack damage with +spell damage and ++magicka should outperform the ++magicka +++spelldamage that willpower + torugs pact combo provides, though your spell damage will of course be lower.

________

But concerning the topic you will have to admit that while you
a) sacrifice a ton of regen for your damage and
b) have to prepare every successful burst

an rng burst combatant (like Velidreth/Viper/Widowmaker) does not need to do either. His high damage sets proc with significant damage values just as long as he keeps hitting the opponent wether he has high weapon damage and low sustain or low weapon damage and high sustain or an average value for both. That means while you have to rely on a successful first attempt and an exit strategy (fear > cloak or shadow > cloak) this trade off does not exist for someone wearing velidreth and viper/widowmaker. They are rewarded for doing an initial burst from stealth (viper firing reliably, option on velidreth, poison and widowmaker) and are rewarded for staying in the fight as every moment rng can end the fight for them as long as they keep hitting the opponent. All they have to provide is a single target dps pressure and enough penetration, so nothing that isnt already built into any stamina build.

Actually its very much like a DoT Build. A DoT Build initiates the DoTs and provides the Debuffs while sustaining until the fight is over. A proc build provides the debuffs like armor pen or defile until the fight is over.
The problem is: DoTs due to their very nature can be anticipated and purged. Procs just proc. If they proc in the beginning you have all the benefits of a burst build withouth any of its disadvantages. If they proc later on, well, you have all the benefits of a DoT/sustained damage build without its disadvantages.

I've tried elegance and just didn't like it. With the heavy armour targets I need my ultimate and maybe even a concealed or two, so I like the trade off of getting more all around damage versus more opening heavy attack damage. Just a preference .

And yes, that's been my main issue with the rng stam sets, and I brought it up in a velidreth thread. For the ganking I do, it makes sense. Sure I have great burst, but if I fail, I can end up in a very tight spot. Little regen, super squishy, with an unreliable cloak. As you said, the stam users of those sets don't have a tradeoff, but still get gank-like burst.

Alucardo

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

It's crap like this why I'm running a 60k HP blazing shield build now. With high burst like that and me spamming my shield they end up killing themselves in 5 seconds. Sadly PVP has become a matter of fighting cheese with cheese.

susmitds

No its ok because I use it.

Alucardo wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

It's crap like this why I'm running a 60k HP blazing shield build now. With high burst like that and me spamming my shield they end up killing themselves in 5 seconds. Sadly PVP has become a matter of fighting cheese with cheese.

Well, I will wait for you with my Unresistable damage stacked NB.

Edziu

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

susmitds wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

It's crap like this why I'm running a 60k HP blazing shield build now. With high burst like that and me spamming my shield they end up killing themselves in 5 seconds. Sadly PVP has become a matter of fighting cheese with cheese.

Well, I will wait for you with my Unresistable damage stacked NB.

waiting for unnerf reapers mark, now this is only counter for other nb in pvp, for other things this skill is usefull

Mustard

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

They just need to standardize all procs like they did with shield timers.

Set them all to 10% chance and that includes abilities like shuffle. Then you can see what needs to be changed damage wise

Reinhard72

ToRelax wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not velidreth thats OP, its magicka sets that are underpowered.

Nope, magicka has it's share of insanely OP sets. Not it's fair share compared to stamina mind you, but something like Velidreth for magicka won't bring us any closer to balance.

Tell me , what OP sets are current using Mages ?
Low of Julianos , Kagrenac's Hope , Magnus' Gift , Seducer

All underpowered.

Defilted

If they nerf this set can it just be needed for PVP. So tired of the nerfs coming down because of PVP affecting PVE.

Edziu

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Defilted wrote: »

If they nerf this set can it just be needed for PVP. So tired of the nerfs coming down because of PVP affecting PVE.

1 thing, as for pve on endgame, vet trials etc it is confirmed by "pro" player this is useless for dps.but in other wyat for those who are not this "pro" then this set is so good as I have seen it, testet some so then for most of players because they are normal, common players yes, this set i not bad, useful and player are QQ about this on pvp to nerf it, then on pve this will be ***, just thank pvp nerf

next thing, maybe nerf viper string also, this have 100% undodgable chance tohit you by 3-5k with 4 sec cooldown by any melee attack, this is more annyoing, velidtreth of course can hit by this 10k but no only 10s mec cooldown, this 20% chance on 1vs1 inst guarantedd hit always after 10 sec + isnt easy to hit with it, this is also so hard to hit if your target is nonstop moving so then pro is wasted while viper will always hit for maybe half damage of veli but more more often

EDIT: can I change now my vote? xD nerf viper, then talk about nerf veli