Velidreth is OP

Wycks

Velidreth is a skillless build which procs for over 6k, dumbing down the game into gap closer, light attack, veldreth proc , ability into execute. These velidtreth disease builds can kill someone in under 2 seconds of "RNG". Make it 10% or reduce the dmg.

susmitds

No its ok because I use it.

I see nothing wrong with me killing somebody due to RNG helping me.

Erock25

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

But wait there's more! Lots more proc on dmg abilities coming with one tamriel. Terrible design choice and terrible decision by ZOS.

SirAndy

Can't vote because biased poll is biased and has no option for me ...

Waffennacht

Not enough console xbox players have it so I don't see it often.

Have ran into the exact build and it rekted me.

However I do not see how it is any different than many gank builds, or burst builds I've faced.

There are several different sets and combos that melt faces like this set.

I hear tell that new dune ripper monster helm is just as, if not more, sick nasty than veli

Sandman929

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

I'd rather not have sets that proc damage at all. Sets that give the opportunity to do more damage are fine, but there's no skill in an armor combo hitting for 6-7k.

leepalmer95

No its ok because I use it.

I don't even have it yet i think it's balanced.

But OP whats the point in making a biased poll? Is it so you can feel better about losing to someone or something?

Hankrabbit

No its ok because I use it.

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

White wabbit

No its ok because I use it.

Really don't start a poll if your not going to be biased

wayfarerx

No its ok because I use it.

What if I use it but I do think it's a little overtuned and I also think the poll options are garbage? Where do I fit in?

Mojmir

no option for it's fine whether you have it or not. I take it OP died?

leepalmer95

No its ok because I use it.

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

Hankrabbit

No its ok because I use it.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

so you can gank heavy armour players with over 30k HP and shuffle on in 1 second without proc sets? Show me! With this sets i can gank every target. I Killed a 50k HP Blazing Shield Tank in 2 seconds yesterday lol

Edit: have you seen the whole video ? There are also a few 1vsX and 1vs1 situations. This sets do not only work for gankers

magictucktuck

I have it and don't use it, I think it's fine. I tried it for about an hour and went back to bloodspawn for ulti gain

leepalmer95

No its ok because I use it.

Hankrabbit wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hankrabbit wrote: »

Yes it is completely overpowered especially combined with other proc-sets like viper, red mountain or widowmaker.
I tested the Viper-Velidreth-Widowmaker Combo and created a video. All of the kills are from 2 days of pvp. 50k Alliance Points per hour solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtRKdOiho4

Most of them were ganking, anyone can do that without relying on rng to proc sets.

so you can gank heavy armour players with over 30k HP and shuffle on in 1 second without proc sets? Show me! With this sets i can gank every target. I Killed a 50k HP Blazing Shield Tank in 2 seconds yesterday lol

Edit: have you seen the whole video ? There are also a few 1vsX and 1vs1 situations. This sets do not only work for gankers

Zergbad would gank emp's without sets like viper/veli.

Most_Awesome

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

But you could run Zergbads build with this also lol

leepalmer95

No its ok because I use it.

Most_Awesome wrote: »

But you could run Zergbads build with this also lol

But if a build is capable of ganking an emp why would you need to change it?

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

I think the set needs half the damage but half the cooldown. The burst is to high currently but i dont want to hinder the pve dps of the set. I think going this route makes the most sense.

Pretty sure ZOS knows about this issue though.

ToRelax

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

- It's not balanced because it amplifies the burst and stamina metas.
- It's not balanced due to missing correlation with character stats, contributing to eliminating weaknesses of certain builds (for example tanky builds with high burst damage), which makes decisions feel less meaningful.
- It's not balanced because of the lack of counter options, most importantly "dodging" (sidestepping) the procs, which sadly doesn't work most of the time as the middle proc usually already hits the moment it appears. This decreases the importance of skill during combat and makes players feel frustrated.

Your poll is still horrible though.

edit: typo

Waffennacht

ToRelax wrote: »

- It's not balanced because it amplifies the burst and stamina metas.
- It's not balanced due to missing correlation with character stats, contributing to eliminating weaknesses of certain builds (for example tanky builds with high burst damage), which makes decisions feel less meaningful.
- It's not balanced because of the lack of counter options, most importantly "dodging" (sidestepping) the procs, which sadly doesn't work most of the time as the middle proc usually already hits the moment it appears. This decreases the importance of skill during combat and makes players feel frustrated.

Your poll is still horrible though.

edit: typo

That right there is the strongest argument I've read against the set. Very true and very accurate, I may go grinding for my helm now

Solariken

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

So many bursters running this with Viper's Sting. I've seen many PUGs get killed with only Crit Rush > LA > Execute.

mtwiggz

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Veli + Viper + Widow is possibly the most ridiculous combo of sets this game has seen to date. With all 3 proc'ing on a target there's absolutely nothing the person can do. No amount of skill, defensive abilities or heals will save the player.

With that said, Veli itself is fine. It's the possible set combinations that make it seem OP. If you're using the Veli + Viper + Widow combo and you get no procs your damage is quite laughable. Yet with the insanely high proc rates it's very unlikely to not get a good proc burst.

susmitds

No its ok because I use it.

Wait, till you guys see the new Stamina proc sets when Update 12 goes live. I have seen some of them hit beyond 12k in PvP.

Edziu

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

wait until next path to get this
insted of 10 sec cooldown its 4 + damage similiar, this will proc so often like viper...rip

Kas

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

yeah, it's dumb. however, just wait for selene's etc next patch... even worse

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Edziu wrote: »

wait until next path to get this
insted of 10 sec cooldown its 4 + damage similiar, this will proc so often like viper...rip

Just want to mention this set is nothing like Velidrith. There is a very large delay when this "primal spirit" (its a polar bear) does its actual attack. Its very easy to avoid with just regular movement.

This set is really good for stam dps with stationary targets. Its not that good in pvp situations in my opinion.

Velidrith's proc has no delay. Its very hard to avoid unless your some distance away from your target.

I believe Velidrith even with all the new monster sets, is still the best for burst pvp dps. Its got a nice proc rate, has AoE potenail and hits hard.


The new taunt monster set is broken in 1v1's. Unavoidable and hits pretty hard.

ManDraKE

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Yeah, is OP beyond discussion. 2pieces set that hits like an ultimate lol

Strider_Roshin

I saw it in my death recap once. Hit me for a little over 3k. Oh yeah, that's OP. That 16k RD however, that's balanced.

Strider_Roshin

Honestly, I only use it in PvE. I find it pretty underwhelming in PvP.

Erock25

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

@Strider_Roshin you have it but decided to lie and say it only hits for 3k? I do not understand.

ManDraKE

Yes it's dumb and needs nerf

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Honestly, I only use it in PvE. I find it pretty underwhelming in PvP.

any well built DPS will hit beetwen 6-9k PER TARGET. Just check the tooltip and compare it to the tooltip of an ultimate ....

And i'm not even counting full glass cannon builds, my alchemist ganking build can probably hit 12k crits with velidreth.