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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Magic chars need a break CC ability.

Paneross
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Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away while roll dodging the entire time is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.
Edited by Paneross on 24 August 2016 17:23
  • QuebraRegra
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    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.
    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.

    BOLT ESCAPE... oh wait, they nerfed that a long time ago, so it's not a practical escape anymore. :(
  • Paneross
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    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.
    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.

    BOLT ESCAPE... oh wait, they nerfed that a long time ago, so it's not a practical escape anymore. :(

    Plus its Sorc only ;(
  • Totalitarian
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    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.
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  • Paneross
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    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    This post is about CC breaks.
  • idk
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    Paneross wrote: »
    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    This post is about CC breaks.

    The person you quoted is providing a look at the big picture that Theiri see trade offs between the two types of builds in related areas.

    A discussion about a particular issue does well in a vacuum but once that vacuum is removed it does not always hold up to scrutiny.
  • Fallen_Ray
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    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.

    Turn into a vampire and use elusive mist form , combine it with streak to get some distance if you're a sorcerer
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  • Paneross
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    Fallen_Ray wrote: »
    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.

    Turn into a vampire and use elusive mist form , combine it with streak to get some distance if you're a sorcerer

    That FORCES you to become a vampire. Mag users need an option to toggle between magic stam usage for breaks.
  • Khaos_Bane
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    Absolutely.

    STA has much better DPS, better armor, and can roll dodge over and over.

    This is the funny part though. @Wrobel AT ONE POINT, nerfed shields for magicka users AND THEN gave a STA based shield to STA users that ALREADY have plenty of defense.

    That tells you what Wrobel is concerned about. MAG users have had DPS nerfed AND their defense nerfed. It's complete BS.

    Then you have STA DPS WHINING about SORC shields. Are you kidding me?
    Edited by Khaos_Bane on 24 August 2016 17:02
  • xRIVALENx
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    Sure I would be down for this on the condition that running drains magicka instead of stamina from your resource bar.

    - Edit -

    Add roll dodge and blocking to the magicka draining list too while we are at it. We could also give you no magicka regeneration while blocking.
    Edited by xRIVALENx on 24 August 2016 17:09
  • Mustard
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    This game currently revolves around the Stamina meta.. It's sad... First the initial release to the CP system and now nerf to streak / shields.
  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    thats the breaks when it comes to Magicka builds, get it I punned there, but really if you are doing PvP, just put some points into Stamina and eat some purple tri-attribute food and add some points to breakfree cost in the Shadow constellation for champion points.. you too will learn to adapt just like countless others...
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  • Minalan
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    I'd be happy with a magicka shuffle.

    Why does every decent skill under 'alliance war' automatically HAVE to be Stam?

    Don't magicka builds fight in said war?
  • Khaos_Bane
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    Mustard wrote: »
    This game currently revolves around the Stamina meta.. It's sad... First the initial release to the CP system and now nerf to streak / shields.


    What's really sad is that I see Vigor heal for very close to 4k PER TICK. That has become one of the more powerful heals in the game. Watch @Wrobel give STA that STA based shield again lol.
  • Samuel_Bantien
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    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    Purge costs a ton unless you're on a templar running ritual, except that stamina templars are running ritual because it has a low stam.

    To the 2 year old arguement...
    Break Free and Dodge Roll are on a third resource bar a "Utility Bar".
    Set a static recovery on it ~ one that cannot be increased nor decreased. This way we will not have perma dodgers nor perma break frees. The only way to lower costs on it would be to wear Medium Armor for dodge roll and the (several amount of) "Arena" sets for break free cost reduction.
    Percentages would have to be figured out because this is a concept developed by players 2 years ago and many things have chamged.

    Edit: Fixed my grammar :^)
    Edited by Samuel_Bantien on 24 August 2016 17:10
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  • xRIVALENx
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    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    Purge costs a ton unless you're on a templar running ritual, except that stamina templars are running ritual because it has a low stam.

    To the 2 year old arguement...
    Break Free and Dodge Roll are on a third resource bar a "Utility Bar".
    Set a static recovery on it ~ one that cannot be increased nor decreased. This way we will not have perma dodgers nor perma break frees. The only way to lower costs on it would be to wear Medium Armor for dodge roll and the (several amount of) "Arena" sets for break free cost reduction.
    Percentages would have to be figured out because this is a concept developed by players 2 years ago and many things have chamged.

    Edit: Fixed my grammar :^)

    This would be the perfect solution.
  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    Purge costs a ton unless you're on a templar running ritual, except that stamina templars are running ritual because it has a low stam.

    To the 2 year old arguement...
    Break Free and Dodge Roll are on a third resource bar a "Utility Bar".
    Set a static recovery on it ~ one that cannot be increased nor decreased. This way we will not have perma dodgers nor perma break frees. The only way to lower costs on it would be to wear Medium Armor for dodge roll and the (several amount of) "Arena" sets for break free cost reduction.
    Percentages would have to be figured out because this is a concept developed by players 2 years ago and many things have chamged.

    Edit: Fixed my grammar :^)

    They should have always been a bar To themselves.
  • Khaos_Bane
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    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    Purge costs a ton unless you're on a templar running ritual, except that stamina templars are running ritual because it has a low stam.

    To the 2 year old arguement...
    Break Free and Dodge Roll are on a third resource bar a "Utility Bar".
    Set a static recovery on it ~ one that cannot be increased nor decreased. This way we will not have perma dodgers nor perma break frees. The only way to lower costs on it would be to wear Medium Armor for dodge roll and the (several amount of) "Arena" sets for break free cost reduction.
    Percentages would have to be figured out because this is a concept developed by players 2 years ago and many things have chamged.

    Edit: Fixed my grammar :^)

    This has been suggested many times with dead silence.

  • Paneross
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    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    Purge costs a ton unless you're on a templar running ritual, except that stamina templars are running ritual because it has a low stam.

    To the 2 year old arguement...
    Break Free and Dodge Roll are on a third resource bar a "Utility Bar".
    Set a static recovery on it ~ one that cannot be increased nor decreased. This way we will not have perma dodgers nor perma break frees. The only way to lower costs on it would be to wear Medium Armor for dodge roll and the (several amount of) "Arena" sets for break free cost reduction.
    Percentages would have to be figured out because this is a concept developed by players 2 years ago and many things have chamged.

    Edit: Fixed my grammar :^)


    This would be the most balanced change in the history of ESO.
  • Carbonised
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    Paneross wrote: »
    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    This post is about CC breaks.

    The person you quoted is providing a look at the big picture that Theiri see trade offs between the two types of builds in related areas.

    A discussion about a particular issue does well in a vacuum but once that vacuum is removed it does not always hold up to scrutiny.

    Here's the bigger picture for you. Now gtfo.
  • Drummerx04
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    Honestly, it comes down to player skill/ping/strategy. As a mag sorc, I feel your pain of getting CC'd to death but ultimately, your survival will come down to conserving your stamina wherever possible. Run some tri food and block whatever CC attacks you can, regen some stam during mistform. If you get CC'd, take half a second to determine whether you NEED to break free. Run immovable/stamina potions. Make sure you hit hard enough to force stam builds into dodge rolling defensive mode. If your plan is to just face tank stam users until they stop attacking you, you will lose.

    Having played a stam build for probably 3 hours in cyrodiil, I can say with a reasonable amount of certainty, that they do not have unlimited access to dodge roll or break free. Some are obviously well-fitted/tumbling/eternal hunt regen and probably using CA for burst, but most can probably only dodge 6 times in a row before being completely out of stam.

    And honestly, mistform/vampire is just a convenience rather than a necessity. Mistform IS a magicka block: no regen while active + large damage resist, but it is mostly useful when pushing through siege, gaining LOS advantage, or breaking a root/snare.
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  • Wreuntzylla
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    Khaos_Bane wrote: »
    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    Purge costs a ton unless you're on a templar running ritual, except that stamina templars are running ritual because it has a low stam.

    To the 2 year old arguement...
    Break Free and Dodge Roll are on a third resource bar a "Utility Bar".
    Set a static recovery on it ~ one that cannot be increased nor decreased. This way we will not have perma dodgers nor perma break frees. The only way to lower costs on it would be to wear Medium Armor for dodge roll and the (several amount of) "Arena" sets for break free cost reduction.
    Percentages would have to be figured out because this is a concept developed by players 2 years ago and many things have chamged.

    Edit: Fixed my grammar :^)

    This has been suggested many times with dead silence.

    Do like many magicka builds are doing. Use either black rose or reactive and slot the heavy armor ability for passive break-free reduction cost.

    Stam builds shouldn't have top damage, top heals and be able to dodge into the sunset. But mag builds shouldn't be able to stack magicka to 40k+, use divines or infused, stack shields and perma-break free. The game is about tradeoffs. There are mag builds that could not be killed if you couldn't run them out of stam, especially decent sorcs.

    I would argue that the only issue that needs addressing is vigor heals with major vitality (and in some cases also with major mending and minor vitality and mending...).

  • MaxwellC
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    You can't have everything like I can't have 30k shields. If you're worrying about breaking free so much then it's time for you to run max food with amberplasma and a recovery enchat/invest CP into it
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  • Necrelios
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    Fallen_Ray wrote: »
    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.

    Turn into a vampire and use elusive mist form , combine it with streak to get some distance if you're a sorcerer

    Pretty much this. Elusive Mist is supposed to be the magicka break free/cc avoidance, but it's still kinda if-y. It works better than it used to but there are still some abilities it can't overcome.
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  • RouDeR
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    On my magica heavy attack destro DK i started to use max stam and magica food , i learned to play with 16k health and 16 k stamina and stamina drain poison on my resto ,just addapt to the meta and u will be fine :).
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    If you manage your stam well, and have atleast put some effort into slightly more then base stam/regen you can keep breaking cc indefinately.

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  • idk
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Paneross wrote: »
    While Stamina classes do have plentiful access to Break Free, Magicka classes have just as much access to Purge, which cleanses negative effects. Sure, it isn't CC break, but CC break doesn't remove negative effects.

    This post is about CC breaks.

    The person you quoted is providing a look at the big picture that Theiri see trade offs between the two types of builds in related areas.

    A discussion about a particular issue does well in a vacuum but once that vacuum is removed it does not always hold up to scrutiny.

    Here's the bigger picture for you. Now gtfo.

    @Carbonised it's best to provide constructive comments to the thread such as the comment you quoted. Thank you.
    olsborg wrote: »
    If you manage your stam well, and have atleast put some effort into slightly more then base stam/regen you can keep breaking cc indefinately.

    And why many PvP with the gold orsinium food, to get the regen to stats to increase survivability.
    Edited by idk on 24 August 2016 18:42
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Yes we do . We need better balance for Majika .
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    Break free should use either stamina or magicka, depending on which is lower.

    That would equalize the anti-CC between stamina and magicka builds.
  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    Paneross wrote: »
    Having max stam and recovery is broken in PvP. Watching Stam users break 10+cc's just to run away while roll dodging the entire time is unbelievable. If you're a magic user you get like 2....


    Give magic users a break CC option that uses magicka.

    While I don't disagree, I think the devs would need to be careful about how it is implemented. Currently, the only way to kill shield stacking mag sorcs and HA S&B Templars is to CC them then burst them down.

    Generally speaking, the meta is garbage right now and almost any effort to fix it would likely cause undesired effects that further result in a toxic PvP experience.

    Lol, what they really need is:
    1) Separate PvE and PvP profiles so that skills and mechanics can be adjusted for each without effecting the other. Only way they will get anything resembling balance.
    2) A sort of psuedo Zerg AOE Cap debuff effect...and by this I a sort of Battle Spirit debuff that effects you when you are in close proximity to others. I.e. heals less effective and skills cost more.

    The current meta of everyone in heavy armor, rocking a shield, and turtling while spamming heals and RD is absolutely ruining the game. Massive zergs all doing the same thing...20 healers while a metric ton of NBs spam Incap literally every three seconds because it costs 50 Ult. PvP is a broken mess and it seems the only ones who enjoy it now are the ones who otherwise couldn't be good but now feel like unkillable Gods.

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  • Alaztor91
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    How about making Break Free cost both resources? like for example if it costs 6k stam now, it would cost 3k magicka and 3k stamina.

    If they do that they would probably have to give damage shields the same treatment that dodging received tho.

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