Is Warlock+Lich still THE BEST for PVE HEALER?

DeadDealer

Is Warlock+Lich still THE BEST for PVE HEALER?

shadowcoder

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

nine9six

SPC

Paneross

Lol no, it hasn't been in a looooooong time.

DRXHarbinger

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

Nifty2g

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

That 5 piece is far better than twilight remedy if you have the choice between the two

DeadDealer

what is SPC?

shadowcoder

DeadDealer wrote: »

what is SPC?

DRXHarbinger

Nifty2g wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

That 5 piece is far better than twilight remedy if you have the choice between the two

So for 5pc bonus you want to have a useless 3 other perks, 3pc reduction on twilight is far more useful, tank taking shards gets a big boost? Surely magblade are far better of slotting 5 Aether and either 5 Tbs or scathing, they'd make better use of it rather than having a healer letting of heavies all the time.

DRXHarbinger

The tank can also slot a poison that gives a minor buff, minor debuff and puts minor vulnerability on the bosses too. (Chitin and scuttle)

juhasman

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

The tank can also slot a poison that gives a minor buff, minor debuff and puts minor vulnerability on the bosses too. (Chitin and scuttle)

But that effect will last like 3 seconds have 20% to apply and have cooldown 10 seconds. Infable aether does job much better.

DeadDealer

where i can get SPC and Infallible Aether?

Silver_Strider

SPC drops in White Gold Tower dungeon.
Infallible Aether drops in Sanctum Ophidian trial.

idk

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

Bigevilpeter

SPC is a must, the other just the best set to sustain your healing, I use seducer, around 300 magika recovery almost 1k max magika and 8% cost reduction

DRXHarbinger

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

5% is nothing. If you really need 5% extra you shouldn't be in trials at all. Never ever does my Sorc or magblade ever run out. Even in maelstrom I never ever struggle at all. Guess it depends on how badly set up you are and if you've got a nord sorc or not.

DRXHarbinger

juhasman wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

The tank can also slot a poison that gives a minor buff, minor debuff and puts minor vulnerability on the bosses too. (Chitin and scuttle)

But that effect will last like 3 seconds have 20% to apply and have cooldown 10 seconds. Infable aether does job much better.

No it lasts 10s.

Waseem

Infillable Aether drops in all craglorn trials

DeadDealer wrote: »

where i can get SPC and Infallible Aether?

Infillable Aether drops in all craglorn trials, best chances at veteran mode

idk

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

5% is nothing. If you really need 5% extra you shouldn't be in trials at all. Never ever does my Sorc or magblade ever run out. Even in maelstrom I never ever struggle at all. Guess it depends on how badly set up you are and if you've got a nord sorc or not.

Guess People should stop wearing VO also based on the same thought. I will keep my work for the group. Thx though.

LadyNalcarya

"Still" the best? o_O
No, like others said, spell power cure set is BiS for healing. You can mix it with Worm Cult or Aether (5 pieces) + Kena hat or shoulder and Master/Maelstrom staves.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

Aether is better than Twilight, since almost everyone uses rearming trap in their rotation. And Worm is also far from being useless. Actually one healer with Aether+one with Worm is the best trial setup at the moment.

Nifty2g

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

5% is nothing. If you really need 5% extra you shouldn't be in trials at all. Never ever does my Sorc or magblade ever run out. Even in maelstrom I never ever struggle at all. Guess it depends on how badly set up you are and if you've got a nord sorc or not.

5% adds up in a 10minute fight lol

idk

Nifty2g wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

5% is nothing. If you really need 5% extra you shouldn't be in trials at all. Never ever does my Sorc or magblade ever run out. Even in maelstrom I never ever struggle at all. Guess it depends on how badly set up you are and if you've got a nord sorc or not.

5% adds up in a 10minute fight lol

I will go with Nifty's comment. From his work in the community I know he gear properly and has very diverse experience in the vet content.

SJD_Phoenix

Nifty2g wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

5% is nothing. If you really need 5% extra you shouldn't be in trials at all. Never ever does my Sorc or magblade ever run out. Even in maelstrom I never ever struggle at all. Guess it depends on how badly set up you are and if you've got a nord sorc or not.

5% adds up in a 10minute fight lol

5% adds more resources to call upon and amps your damage up.

Most (sensible) magicka builds run 40k+ magic which is 2k (basically 2 extra mag magic set pieces for you magicka builds)

Definitely worth a consideration.

Function

SPC is a set that is too good not to use, in a trial situation both healers should always be using it. For the second set one healer should be wearing Worm, the other wearing Infallible Aether (unless a DPS is already using it, then use Twilight Remedy).

DRXHarbinger

Nifty2g wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

5% is nothing. If you really need 5% extra you shouldn't be in trials at all. Never ever does my Sorc or magblade ever run out. Even in maelstrom I never ever struggle at all. Guess it depends on how badly set up you are and if you've got a nord sorc or not.

5% adds up in a 10minute fight lol

What 1000 mag recovery to 1050 recovery? The difference is....nothing. if you are noticing that you really need that..well seriously dude are you? Over 10 mins it's let you cast what 2 extra spells..

Rayya_Blackheart

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

Twillight -was- a great set but 1. You're expecting your group to use your synergies, or worse, for synergies to actually work. Right now, it's a 50/50 chance you can activate the things. 2. Stalwart Guard does the exact same thing, potentially 100% up time.

Aether is slowly passing on to DPS, whereas it was once a healer build. Why? Because what's the one thing you do for mana regen? Heavy attack. You're literally the only person who will be guaranteed heavy attacking the whole time.

Worm is situational, if you have a heavy mana group then sure, Worm is awesome. It's good for your tanks, it's good for your DPS, it's good for you. I fully agree it should not be run on a heavy stamina build group. One day I'll figure out how to fit Hircine's in a build. Just you wait!

My go-to build right now is Spell Power Cure and Gossamer. It procs pretty often, it'll refresh if you take damage again despite the proc. The issue I've had with it is that you have to take damage to get it to proc and figuring out what you can dodge with it.

To the OP, the primary thing you want to run is Spell Power Cure. After that, the second set should be based on what your group needs or what suits your play style best. I've been known to run 5 separate sets on my healer that I swap out during specific boss fights. Find what works best for you

Rayya_Blackheart

OH YEAH! Dragon, I was going to try to add in Dragon in as a second set for when we have a heavy Twice Born Star group!

LadyNalcarya

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

shadowcoder wrote: »

No, a healer needs to support the group and boost their dps. Spell power cure, the aether set (for the 5 piece debuff) and Worm's Raiment are considered to be the most useful healer sets (depending on your group/raid setup).

SPC and twilight is far better. Worm is worthless and Aether isn't optimal for a healer they get no benefit whereas everyone plus them benefits with twilight.

How is work WORTHLESS? Unless the group is full stam it does help with sustain for dps.

@DRXHarbinger

5% is nothing. If you really need 5% extra you shouldn't be in trials at all. Never ever does my Sorc or magblade ever run out. Even in maelstrom I never ever struggle at all. Guess it depends on how badly set up you are and if you've got a nord sorc or not.

5% adds up in a 10minute fight lol

What 1000 mag recovery to 1050 recovery? The difference is....nothing. if you are noticing that you really need that..well seriously dude are you? Over 10 mins it's let you cast what 2 extra spells..

Why use block cost reduction glyphs then? Even golden vr16 one reduced block cost by measly 203 stamina.

code65536

SPC+Worm
SPC+Gossamer
SPC+Twlight
SPC+Infallible

Which one you use depends on your group composition. If someone else in the group is running Worm and Infallible (and 5p Infallible is quite popular with magsorc and magdk DDs these days), use either Gossamer or Twilight. If your group is very stamina-heavy, don't use Worm. Adapt based on what the situation calls for.

But always run 5p SPC. Even if you only have it in trash Prosperous traits, you should always run it as the healer.

iam117

code65536 wrote: »

SPC+Worm
SPC+Gossamer
SPC+Twlight
SPC+Infallible

this. currently because we have dps using infall, our healers run spc/worm and spc/gossamer. and yes its in trials. @DRXHarbinger yes it adds up, even just the benefit the healers get from it is worth it.

N0TPLAYER2

I currently use

Kagernacs and Magnus. I am about to finish SPC, and wanted to know if Magnus will still work good or something else? If the set is only through trails it won't work but I can craft or buy anything else.

I've healed all trials and vet dungeons with this set up, and am considerd a good healer.

I was thinking I would continue on wth SPC and Magnus. Any other ideas? Thanks

Oh, and I'm not sure when this was added but SPC also does weapon damage now as well.