Mag Dks

sicc

How are you killing the malu, reactive, wearing Templars?

On ps4 na everyone's a templar and it's crazy. Unless they're really bad and let me get them to half and setup a meteor cc combo i can't burst them down.

Haaaaalp!

Ashamray

I don't spend my time. There is interesting pvp around, leave maluplars in their trashbox.

Moglijuana

Just walk the other way. They're a waste of time.

FloppyTouch

Walk away don't fight them

sicc

Daaaaaang that's what this games come to? Was going things had gotten better why i was gone

Glory

Magicka DKs have some of the worst tools to kill a tanky templar. They have terrible burst compared to other builds, and are apparently supposed to rely on DoTs to do damage to enemies. Unfortunately, DoTs are pathetically weak in PvP due to the abundance of purifies.

Add the lack of burst, the presence of purifies everywhere, and the Malubeth proc that counters all but instakills, and DKs are in a terrible spot as magicka.

WillhelmBlack

Constant root and CC, it takes a while just to kill bad ones unfortunately. If they're remotely good then it's really tough and sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Just don't go under 50% health whilst CC'd or you're dead

I've loved killing all the noobplars on my MagDK but even that is wearing thin now when there's literally entire groups of them rolling around full health beaming, waiting for a large hit from someone else.

Many original magicka Templar mains, like myself, abandoned the class in DB patch upon realising how overpowered and boring they really are. Then all the terrible Sorcs that were never really any good, just stacked shields, jumped on the Fotmplar when their shields took a nerf.

Bashev

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Constant root and CC, it takes a while just to kill bad ones unfortunately. If they're remotely good then it's really tough and sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Just don't go under 50% health whilst CC'd or you're dead

I've loved killing all the noobplars on my MagDK but even that is wearing thin now when there's literally entire groups of them rolling around full health beaming, waiting for a large hit from someone else.

Many original magicka Templar mains, like myself, abandoned the class in DB patch upon realising how overpowered and boring they really are. Then all the terrible Sorcs that were never really any good, just stacked shields, jumped on the Fotmplar when their shields took a nerf.

Constant root is terrible idea for a templar with reactive.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Usually I fight them to a standstill and walk away. The ones I do kill, I bait them into overcommitting. Bash the Jesus beam, CC+meteor combo.

NBrookus

You have some help coming in the form of bug fixes to these sets in SotH.

Astanphaeus

You hope they are dumb and kill themselves with dark flare off your wings, otherwise you don't.

Bdawwg

Too true, love it when they're happily breathe of lifing and cleansing my dots away and think OF COURSE dark flare. I think they take the meaning of 'kill yourself' too literally.

Tormy

Roots and stun bad against reactive, DOTs bad against malubeth. You need burst but uhh as a mag dk that'll be rough

sicc

Appreciate the feedback even if it's not what i wanted to hear. I'll go sit in the corner now.

PeggymoeXD

Yeah... Pretty much walk away and submit feedback to ZOS about giving us better burst or a legit execute or something.

WillhelmBlack

Bashev wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Constant root and CC, it takes a while just to kill bad ones unfortunately. If they're remotely good then it's really tough and sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Just don't go under 50% health whilst CC'd or you're dead

I've loved killing all the noobplars on my MagDK but even that is wearing thin now when there's literally entire groups of them rolling around full health beaming, waiting for a large hit from someone else.

Many original magicka Templar mains, like myself, abandoned the class in DB patch upon realising how overpowered and boring they really are. Then all the terrible Sorcs that were never really any good, just stacked shields, jumped on the Fotmplar when their shields took a nerf.

Constant root is terrible idea for a templar with reactive.

People who wear that set arent here to PvP though, so you may as well ignore those trolls.

DKsUnite

/camp works the best i find

Wycks

It's impossible, reroll stamina, mag Dk's are useless in pvp.

PeggymoeXD

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

It's impossible, reroll stamina, mag Dk's are useless in pvp.

I disagree with this. Most players are just conditioned to the stamina "easy button builds." So anything that doesn't involve immediate burst from stacking max stam and wep dmg is a useless build. Instead of spending time to learn to do more than crit rush, snipe, bombard or dizzying swing spam.

Moglijuana

So I did the math. For a full rotation of damaging abilities for a Mag DK it costs around 10k magicka. However, purifying ritual costs about 2,800 magicka and negates that entire rotation. So basically when you fight a Mag Templar you waste 7k magicka every rotation with nothing in return. Meanwhile those said templars think they're good even though its literally the most forgiving class in the entire game simply because the current mechanics suck more than normal. @Wrobel your game is so balanced let me tell you...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom maybe you should let your combat team know that they should learn how to math correctly and stop completely ignoring entire class builds by making them complete sh*t. Thanks.

Burning_Talons

Entropy>Engulfing Flame>Inhale>talons>whip>Invig drain>flame lash
If Malubeth procs to often I drop my standard

Sharee

Bashev wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Constant root and CC, it takes a while just to kill bad ones unfortunately. If they're remotely good then it's really tough and sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Just don't go under 50% health whilst CC'd or you're dead

I've loved killing all the noobplars on my MagDK but even that is wearing thin now when there's literally entire groups of them rolling around full health beaming, waiting for a large hit from someone else.

Many original magicka Templar mains, like myself, abandoned the class in DB patch upon realising how overpowered and boring they really are. Then all the terrible Sorcs that were never really any good, just stacked shields, jumped on the Fotmplar when their shields took a nerf.

Constant root is terrible idea for a templar with reactive.

Yea but its not like i am going to kill him anyway, so might as well annoy the heck out of him.

Most important: start he fight with fossilize while he is still on horse, and let it run the full duration

Xvorg

Mag DK should be viable if:

1- Fix Dragon Bood. I respec my magicka DK yesterday and slotted coagulating blood for the first time in years. Though the healing received buff is great (and you feel a little tanky with a healer around), the heal is mediocre. On a 20K health toon, at 50% DMG, the healing received is around 3k but... battle spirit nerf it (again) in a 50%, so you end up using more than 3K magicka to get around 1.5K health, which is lame.

2- Double nerf to healing on x %dmg done. This effects not only mag DK, but a couple more skills which heal you on dmg (stife, burning embers, inhale, blood craze and bloodthirst for example). Each one of those skills heals you based on a % of the dmg done. Battle spirit caps dmg on a 50%, which is OK IMHO, so you get 50% healing... but battle spirit caps that already capped healing AGAIN. So you end up doing a 25% base healing compared to the tooltip. Check for example strife, which is supposed to heal you for 25% dmg. A 10k strife in PvE heals for 2.5K, but in PVE , instead of healing for 1.25k (proven the 50% dmg reduction which leaves your DMG in 5k), it heals for 625 hps... a 12.5% of what the tooltip says.

If you compare that to the 50% plain nerf to templar heals or vigor, you en up realizing why everone slots just heals and no healing on x %dmg skills. If ZoS makes healing on hit reliable, magicka DKs could easily slot searing strike and use its against templars (which have a healing on x% dmg skill, but which does the healing based on all dmg done)

3- Inferno.... It is such a bad skill. No DK should ever slot it. The major profecy (and major savagery) buff can be got from guild skills which add better options. Instead of what it is it should do something similar to what blade cloak does in the DW skill line, but to elemental dmg

Lokey0024

Sorry answer, you cant unless they are afk. 2 BoL and back to full health. Or better yet purify, take a drink/bite of burrito, purify again. Mdk OOM.

Armitas

Moglijuana wrote: »

So I did the math. For a full rotation of damaging abilities for a Mag DK it costs around 10k magicka. However, purifying ritual costs about 2,800 magicka and negates that entire rotation. So basically when you fight a Mag Templar you waste 7k magicka every rotation with nothing in return. Meanwhile those said templars think they're good even though its literally the most forgiving class in the entire game simply because the current mechanics suck more than normal. @Wrobel your game is so balanced let me tell you...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom maybe you should let your combat team know that they should learn how to math correctly and stop completely ignoring entire class builds by making them complete sh*t. Thanks.

I was sitting in Azuras trying to figure out how I went empty on this sorc so fast while he was bolting with a stacking debuff. My drinks were down but I noticed just how bad my costs were with no CP, and heavy armor.. Everything except embers is absurdly high. Disgustingly high. When dynamic ultimate changed our costs should have been reduced.

Minalan

Armitas wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

So I did the math. For a full rotation of damaging abilities for a Mag DK it costs around 10k magicka. However, purifying ritual costs about 2,800 magicka and negates that entire rotation. So basically when you fight a Mag Templar you waste 7k magicka every rotation with nothing in return. Meanwhile those said templars think they're good even though its literally the most forgiving class in the entire game simply because the current mechanics suck more than normal. @Wrobel your game is so balanced let me tell you...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom maybe you should let your combat team know that they should learn how to math correctly and stop completely ignoring entire class builds by making them complete sh*t. Thanks.

I was sitting in Azuras trying to figure out how I went empty on this sorc so fast while he was bolting with a stacking debuff. My drinks were down but I noticed just how bad my costs were with no CP, and heavy armor.. Everything except embers is absurdly high. Disgustingly high. When dynamic ultimate changed our costs should have been reduced.

That bolting sorc was probably me You just need a different build on No CP.

Light armor helps
Seducer set helps, even with heavy armor pieces
Atronach mundus is a must there.
Drinks over food

It works.

Lokey0024

Minalan wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

So I did the math. For a full rotation of damaging abilities for a Mag DK it costs around 10k magicka. However, purifying ritual costs about 2,800 magicka and negates that entire rotation. So basically when you fight a Mag Templar you waste 7k magicka every rotation with nothing in return. Meanwhile those said templars think they're good even though its literally the most forgiving class in the entire game simply because the current mechanics suck more than normal. @Wrobel your game is so balanced let me tell you...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom maybe you should let your combat team know that they should learn how to math correctly and stop completely ignoring entire class builds by making them complete sh*t. Thanks.

I was sitting in Azuras trying to figure out how I went empty on this sorc so fast while he was bolting with a stacking debuff. My drinks were down but I noticed just how bad my costs were with no CP, and heavy armor.. Everything except embers is absurdly high. Disgustingly high. When dynamic ultimate changed our costs should have been reduced.

That bolting sorc was probably me You just need a different build on No CP.

Light armor helps
Seducer set helps, even with heavy armor pieces
Atronach mundus is a must there.
Drinks over food

It works.

Would like to see someone not beating up noobs make this set up work. You need to much regen and cant output enough dmg to kill anyone.

If you doubt next time you fight a dk on azuras, turtle up and watch them OOM themselves quick

Armitas

Minalan wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

So I did the math. For a full rotation of damaging abilities for a Mag DK it costs around 10k magicka. However, purifying ritual costs about 2,800 magicka and negates that entire rotation. So basically when you fight a Mag Templar you waste 7k magicka every rotation with nothing in return. Meanwhile those said templars think they're good even though its literally the most forgiving class in the entire game simply because the current mechanics suck more than normal. @Wrobel your game is so balanced let me tell you...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom maybe you should let your combat team know that they should learn how to math correctly and stop completely ignoring entire class builds by making them complete sh*t. Thanks.

I was sitting in Azuras trying to figure out how I went empty on this sorc so fast while he was bolting with a stacking debuff. My drinks were down but I noticed just how bad my costs were with no CP, and heavy armor.. Everything except embers is absurdly high. Disgustingly high. When dynamic ultimate changed our costs should have been reduced.

That bolting sorc was probably me You just need a different build on No CP.

Light armor helps
Seducer set helps, even with heavy armor pieces
Atronach mundus is a must there.
Drinks over food

It works.

When I have drinks on it works out on Azuras, but when they time out and I don't know it, its painful. Seducer is just so damage weak on an already struggling class. I used to use it, but the game keeps getting progressively worse. I manage with Black rose and reverberating bash to make more of the damage I do stick... although its worthless against a temp because they will just purge it. Black rose is just strong enough to give a magicka build a defile.

ThulsaDoomDC

Outlast their resources

https://youtu.be/f1YDbFCRu0E

Moglijuana

ThulsaDoomDC wrote: »

Outlast their resources

https://youtu.be/f1YDbFCRu0E

BwB group play videos have nothing to do with fighting full CP Magplars lol. One day you'll learn padawan.

Armitas wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

So I did the math. For a full rotation of damaging abilities for a Mag DK it costs around 10k magicka. However, purifying ritual costs about 2,800 magicka and negates that entire rotation. So basically when you fight a Mag Templar you waste 7k magicka every rotation with nothing in return. Meanwhile those said templars think they're good even though its literally the most forgiving class in the entire game simply because the current mechanics suck more than normal. @Wrobel your game is so balanced let me tell you...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom maybe you should let your combat team know that they should learn how to math correctly and stop completely ignoring entire class builds by making them complete sh*t. Thanks.

I was sitting in Azuras trying to figure out how I went empty on this sorc so fast while he was bolting with a stacking debuff. My drinks were down but I noticed just how bad my costs were with no CP, and heavy armor.. Everything except embers is absurdly high. Disgustingly high. When dynamic ultimate changed our costs should have been reduced.

Yea man it's crazy. I wish they gave MagDK's some kind of dynamic ult gen back, or at least let us have some cheaper skills since we literally have to spam skills to make up for damage we are already lacking.

ZoM_Head

Moglijuana wrote: »

Just walk the other way. They're a waste of time.

Agreed, imo there should never be an unkillable or a 1 shot build, but hey, its me.

Those templars are already hard to kill, adding those two sets just....removes the point of fighting them....