MasterSpatula wrote: »So wait, those of us who've waited over two years for this because we couldn't zoom into our characters during character creation at launch get to pay a thousand Crowns each to finally fix the mistakes we couldn't see at the time we made them?
Come on, pull the other one.
Fair enough, but I wasn't looking for basic cosmetic changes, I was looking for "Appearance Change", "Race Change" and "Name Change", and those match in functionality (changing 'every aspect of a character's physical appearance') between WoW and ESO, except that WoW's Appearance and Race tokens include a Name Change and ESO's don't.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »But it's not even similar because basic cosmetic changes in WoW don't cost real money.Bah, whatever. I was only trying to see what other MMOs charged for the same things, and WoW was the first one I though of. Success and quality was not relevant for what I was looking at; one MMO, and another MMO, was all I was interested in.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@EnodocSounds about right to me. Not too cheap that it encourages repeated usage, but cheap enough that for those to whom this matters, they will be able to afford it.1000 Crowns to change your Appearance.
3000 Crowns for Race change (and Appearance as well).
2500 Crowns for Name change (lol)
200 Crowns per each premium hairstyle, adornment, etc.
3500 Crowns for a Complete change (first 3 listed). Best value (due to pricing) if considering to buy the Race or Name change.
Not sure why these prices are that high, but not a fan of them at ALL.
1000 Crowns is about $10, cheaper than WoW.
3000 Crowns is $25, same as WoW.
2500 is a bit steep (WoW's name change is only $10), but they really missed a trick by not including name change as part of appearance and race change, rather than as something separate, which I think is their biggest mistake.
Agreed. In those situations, the price is too high for fixing something that was caused by a bug. A reduced-cost token would be nice for any character created while there were bugs affecting character creation.
This isn't WoW and ESO is no where close to that level of success, quality nor does it offer that level of customization for the time it was released. Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples and WoW is not that but as results of poor design and awful visuals for creation, the cost is disrespectful.
notimetocare wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »1000 Crowns to change your Appearance.
3000 Crowns for Race change (and Appearance as well).
2500 Crowns for Name change (lol)
200 Crowns per each premium hairstyle, adornment, etc.
3500 Crowns for a Complete change (first 3 listed). Best value (due to pricing) if considering to buy the Race or Name change.
Not sure why these prices are that high, but not a fan of them at ALL.
Some of this I understand the price, but the Name Change...that is utterly ridiculous. Sorry but that is an outrageous price for a change of letters.
Is not just about changing letters, its a balance to prevent the constant changing of names.
Why would they care how often someone wants to change their name?
Leaderboards use character name, not @handle. That is one reason on its own.
ChuckyPayne wrote: »- She would like a name change because of a game bug. In character name there is an á letter. You cannot invite to group: No character found This sorcerer her main character, and we must pay 2500 crown if we don't want that ridiculous game bug.
Actually, character customization at the tailor has been free four the last couple years. Of course, STO's a little different in that you actually have upwards of 10-15 customization characters... so, there is that.Holycannoli wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »Most of this is perfectly fine. It is mostly inline or lower than other MMOs. The only issue is namechange. 1500 is more than enough and inline with other games. Don't be stupid ZoS.
It's not though. Star Trek Online has an in game tailor that costs a trivial amount of in game currency to change everything you want about your character.
Holycannoli wrote: »You pay a really small amount of in game currency for some changes while other changes like some uniforms require a cash shop purchase, and you can use the tailor as often as you want. I can entirely change the way my character looks and go back 10 minutes later and change it again.
To have played that game for years where I can change hair, height, head size, body bulk, eye color etc. for free as often as I want, and then come here where it costs 1000 crowns to do it once, is maddening. I mean wtf. Name change should cost money, yes. Race change should cost money, yes. Appearance change should NOT cost money unless you're changing to something that you have to buy, like a hair style or clothing from the cash shop.
This is a blatant cash grab.
notimetocare wrote: »Leaderboards use character name, not @handle. That is one reason on its own.
notimetocare wrote: »1000 Crowns to change your Appearance.
3000 Crowns for Race change (and Appearance as well).
2500 Crowns for Name change (lol)
200 Crowns per each premium hairstyle, adornment, etc.
3500 Crowns for a Complete change (first 3 listed). Best value (due to pricing) if considering to buy the Race or Name change.
Not sure why these prices are that high, but not a fan of them at ALL.
Some of this I understand the price, but the Name Change...that is utterly ridiculous. Sorry but that is an outrageous price for a change of letters.
Is not just about changing letters, its a balance to prevent the constant changing of names.
lordrichter wrote: ».DocFrost72 wrote: »After calming down and filtering myself, here is the polite reaction to these prices.
Appearence meh, but almost reasonable. Race change, that is way too high. Name change, I honestly find that a joke. Maybe a typo, so BOTD for now.
Of course, had you found racial passives that weren't inherently overpowered in a game designed for soft caps where there now are none, or simply locked a name change to once a week on a character based GCD, that would have solved these issues.
Appearance change should have had a gold option, and I will not back down from that idea.
And to be totally frank, I could overlook mounts for 40 real life dollars (lol), but paying 25 bucks to change my name in a video game is unjustifiable. Not even worth changing my appearance for ten bucks.
Almost enough for me to leave, but I think I'll vote with my wallet and unsub first. Gods above, ZOS...
All three prices are within the realm of reasonable, compared to other games. Sure, you can pick your games to make ESO sound expensive or cheap, but a quick jaunt around the internet comes up with enough different numbers to show that ZOS is at the upper end, but they are still in the range. Name change is the most out of line, and odd enough that there has to be another reason for it to be that way.
They made two mistakes with "race change". The first was not adding the name change. My guess is that they will do this when they get around to it, which won't be any time soon. The second was calling it "Race Change". They really needed to call it something more impressive, like a "Character Makeover", which sounds a lot more expensive.
If they had moved Gender change from Appearance, added in Name change, and called it something more impressive, it would probably have gone over better, even at 3000-3500 Crowns.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , I like the bundle of existing hairs, it is reasonably priced for a collectible unlock. I would like to know if there is any chance of us ever getting a bundle with existing accessories and facial marks too.
lordrichter wrote: »MyNameIsElias wrote: »The fact that you guys have the nerve to only letting us re style our characters by paying with real life money is bad and greedy enough, but the fact that a name change is not included in race change is even worse then that.... Just watch, zenimax will do the same thing for housing when it comes around. You want that special house in your favorite zone? 5k crowns. Oh you didn't like the door type that the house came with? that'll be 1k crowns more please. Zenimax has no idea what consumer goodwill is. You lost mine, i hope it was worth the extra money it earned you. And i wouldn't be suprised if it was.
@MyNameIsElias - Just to point out that you can get them in a bundle that includes the race and name change for 3500 Crowns. That makes the name change 500 Crowns.
Fair enough, but I wasn't looking for basic cosmetic changes, I was looking for "Appearance Change", "Race Change" and "Name Change", and those match in functionality (changing 'every aspect of a character's physical appearance') between WoW and ESO, except that WoW's Appearance and Race tokens include a Name Change and ESO's don't.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »But it's not even similar because basic cosmetic changes in WoW don't cost real money.Bah, whatever. I was only trying to see what other MMOs charged for the same things, and WoW was the first one I though of. Success and quality was not relevant for what I was looking at; one MMO, and another MMO, was all I was interested in.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@EnodocSounds about right to me. Not too cheap that it encourages repeated usage, but cheap enough that for those to whom this matters, they will be able to afford it.1000 Crowns to change your Appearance.
3000 Crowns for Race change (and Appearance as well).
2500 Crowns for Name change (lol)
200 Crowns per each premium hairstyle, adornment, etc.
3500 Crowns for a Complete change (first 3 listed). Best value (due to pricing) if considering to buy the Race or Name change.
Not sure why these prices are that high, but not a fan of them at ALL.
1000 Crowns is about $10, cheaper than WoW.
3000 Crowns is $25, same as WoW.
2500 is a bit steep (WoW's name change is only $10), but they really missed a trick by not including name change as part of appearance and race change, rather than as something separate, which I think is their biggest mistake.
Agreed. In those situations, the price is too high for fixing something that was caused by a bug. A reduced-cost token would be nice for any character created while there were bugs affecting character creation.
This isn't WoW and ESO is no where close to that level of success, quality nor does it offer that level of customization for the time it was released. Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples and WoW is not that but as results of poor design and awful visuals for creation, the cost is disrespectful.
The primary difference then is not between the tokens, but as you say, based on the cosmetic changes. If the Crown Store Appearance Collectibles (hairstyles, adornments, etc) were available with in-game gold rather than Crowns, that would match WoW, but I wasn't talking about those.
lordrichter wrote: »MyNameIsElias wrote: »The fact that you guys have the nerve to only letting us re style our characters by paying with real life money is bad and greedy enough, but the fact that a name change is not included in race change is even worse then that.... Just watch, zenimax will do the same thing for housing when it comes around. You want that special house in your favorite zone? 5k crowns. Oh you didn't like the door type that the house came with? that'll be 1k crowns more please. Zenimax has no idea what consumer goodwill is. You lost mine, i hope it was worth the extra money it earned you. And i wouldn't be suprised if it was.
@MyNameIsElias - Just to point out that you can get them in a bundle that includes the race and name change for 3500 Crowns. That makes the name change 500 Crowns.
The problem is, most people will want to change the name of their character if they are changing their race. If you have an Argonian with a clearly Argonian name and then switch to a Nord, you most definitely will want to change the name. So, basically, by making name change a standalone at an extremely expensive price, they are able to get yet another 500 Crowns out of most people by creating a "bundle" of race and name change, so people think they're getting a really good deal.
Bottom line - name change should automatically come with race change, due to the nature of many names being very specific to a particular race. Name change as a standalone, shouldn't be any more than 1000 Crowns. EDIT: Also, since appearance and race change both allow you to change gender, that another reason that name change should be included.
starkerealm wrote: »Actually, character customization at the tailor has been free four the last couple years. Of course, STO's a little different in that you actually have upwards of 10-15 customization characters... so, there is that.Holycannoli wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »Most of this is perfectly fine. It is mostly inline or lower than other MMOs. The only issue is namechange. 1500 is more than enough and inline with other games. Don't be stupid ZoS.
It's not though. Star Trek Online has an in game tailor that costs a trivial amount of in game currency to change everything you want about your character.Holycannoli wrote: »You pay a really small amount of in game currency for some changes while other changes like some uniforms require a cash shop purchase, and you can use the tailor as often as you want. I can entirely change the way my character looks and go back 10 minutes later and change it again.
To have played that game for years where I can change hair, height, head size, body bulk, eye color etc. for free as often as I want, and then come here where it costs 1000 crowns to do it once, is maddening. I mean wtf. Name change should cost money, yes. Race change should cost money, yes. Appearance change should NOT cost money unless you're changing to something that you have to buy, like a hair style or clothing from the cash shop.
This is a blatant cash grab.
I find it hilarious, you can call ZOS's decision a "cash grab" while discussing a game where you are prevented from gaining access to a T6 (or T5u) ship without paying money. For half of the content in STO, you literally cannot reach max level without spending cash, and are heavily encouraged to fly multiple T6 ships for their starship traits.
Add onto that you're talking about a game that charges real money currency for crafting.
But, ESO is the cash grab... right.
MornaBaine wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno , I like the bundle of existing hairs, it is reasonably priced for a collectible unlock. I would like to know if there is any chance of us ever getting a bundle with existing accessories and facial marks too.
So all of this! A girl needs to be able to change her makeup and jewelry!