Incapacitating Strike - NBs Ultimate

Omgwtfbbq321

I don't feel Incapacitating Strikes or Dawnbreaker are the problem. The problem is this "bust" meta seems to make almost any skill useless if its not insta-cast/insta-Damage.

You see a SoulAssault? interrupt it. Ice Comet? Block/Dodge it. Bats? Get out of them. Dawnbreaker? Accept the damage and hope you built to survive it.

Same goes for most normal skills. It doesn't really matter what the skill is, what does matter is "can you completely cancel the animation, and will it work with your burst".

Sadly this makes a lot of the skills borderline useless and makes latency affect your chances of survival even more.

I don't think either of them are OP, just more practical in the games curent state.

*This Opinion was brought to you by a PVPer and is subject to change with each incoming patch*

Justice31st

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Agree this Ultimate is incredibly OP.

PeggymoeXD

Meh. This is kinda L2P. I wouldn't complain if they increased the cost since it is very powerful and very cheap. But at some point in the game you have to sacrifice for certain attributes in your build. I'm a DK tank and most inc strikes tickle me, but at the same time I can only hope someone else shows up to kill the nb because I can only shoo him away like an obnoxious gnat. On the other hand, if you give up survivability for damage, you just have to be more aware of what's going on and the fact that gankers make up probably 60% or more of Cyrodiil nowadays. Seriously I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't think there is really a good reason to change this ultimate. I mean half the time I manage to dodge it anyway.

CatchMeTrolling

The most broken ult simply because nbs are the meta , meaning you get zerged down and ulted

Fubar8

i am asking to myself, why dont we have a decent ultimate for pvp as a sorc ?
in strike is one of the best ultimate for single target but why did they even take db from magicka classes ?
It makes no sense. Well you can buff nb if they need but while u buffed nb, why did you even need to nerf sorcs ?
I dont think any admin/mod of zos play the game thats why they made stupid decisions.

Strider_Roshin

Fubar8 wrote: »

i am asking to myself, why dont we have a decent ultimate for pvp as a sorc ?
in strike is one of the best ultimate for single target but why did they even take db from magicka classes ?
It makes no sense. Well you can buff nb if they need but while u buffed nb, why did you even need to nerf sorcs ?
I dont think any admin/mod of zos play the game thats why they made stupid decisions.

Because stamina needed an ultimate. I use DBoS for all of my stamina classes. It is especially deadly with my stam sorc.

Strider_Roshin

Justice31st wrote: »

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Agree this Ultimate is incredibly OP.

I agree, it does half the damage of overload; therefore it's OP.

OdinForge

Incap wrecks noobs, this is a good thing.

It's also somewhat useful again vs good players, so it's kind of worth slotting now.

Learn to defend.

thankyourat

I think the ultimate is fine because it's just single target. So you can only nuke one target at a time. If you raise the cost it would make this ultimate useless because at that point you might as well run dbos. nobody wants to waste 100 ultimate and only hit one person

Paraflex

Justice31st wrote: »

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Agree this Ultimate is incredibly OP.

100% agree it needs to at minimum have an increased cost to around 150 for this ult. I was ganking yesterday and would insta gib people with a stealthed heavy bow > ambush > Incap strike > Execute and i would have the ult up after i just insta *** a guy.

You can pretty much spam this ability it needs to be adjusted in cost or the abilities need to be toned down

Jaronking

Paraflex wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Agree this Ultimate is incredibly OP.

100% agree it needs to at minimum have an increased cost to around 150 for this ult. I was ganking yesterday and would insta gib people with a stealthed heavy bow > ambush > Incap strike > Execute and i would have the ult up after i just insta *** a guy.

You can pretty much spam this ability it needs to be adjusted in cost or the abilities need to be toned down

You realize you could do that with just about any ultimate and get the same results.Again DBOS hits harder then incap and its a AOE ultimate.A single target ultimate should do more damage and it doesn't. So raising the cost would just make it even worst to use instead of DBOS.So your reason for wanting the cost increase really makes no sense when its going to make it Cost more than DBOS which again hits way harder than incap so your change will just make more people use DBOS instead of incap.

If anything we should be asking for a buff to Incap strikes since its incredibly weal right now .When compared to DBOS which is a again a AOE .

kadar

Fubar8 wrote: »

i am asking to myself, why dont we have a decent ultimate for pvp as a sorc ?
in strike is one of the best ultimate for single target but why did they even take db from magicka classes ?
It makes no sense. Well you can buff nb if they need but while u buffed nb, why did you even need to nerf sorcs ?
I dont think any admin/mod of zos play the game thats why they made stupid decisions.

mSorcs are still using DBoS.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yeah nerf Incap! Dodge-able ultimates have no place in this game! Nerf it!

**slowly starts pushing Dawnbreaker of Smiting under the carpet**

PurifedBladez

I've ruined lives with incap strike. Lol. I'd never use it over dbos on my front bar in pvp. Does it miss? Sure but, it only cost 50 ult. It'll be up again in seconds. And when it hits which is like 90 - 95% of the time it hurts.

drumbendrum_ESO

I always take dmg trying to roll from it better off blocking

Strider_Roshin

My incap missed 4 times in a row last night. Should have just used Dawnbreaker...

visionality

ManDraKE wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Dawnbreaker of Smiting

• Costs 100 (96 for Templars, 85 for Sorcs) Ultimate
• Puts a DoT on target that counters more healing than a 30% heal debuff
• CCs opponents (plural)
• Passively gives you 3% weapon damage
• Undodgeable, as is the big DoT effect
• Does equally crazy damage.

Thanks for playing.

Why don't you find some other thing that's killing you in PvP to complain about?

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

pretty much. Dawnbreaker is superior to incap in all situations, except 1vs1 (and vs dodge roll builds i always switch to Dawnbreaker). My dawnbraker of smithing stun and rekts entire groups, yet i dont' see much people complaining about it, Why? Simple, everything related to nighblades gets exagerated 200x times by *** players, is has always been like that.

Thanks for that comment. I agree 100%. Feel really annoyed about ppl complaining about other classes' skills that "need to be nerfed". If everything is nerfed, then what?

L2p and accept that some ppl are better or some builds are better in some situations, guys!

KisoValley

Unless I'm on my Magplar I never even get hit by it because it's so easy to get away from. Most NBs still run DB cause of it.

JAMESLJNR

As a person who doesn't have a NB I don't think it needs a nerf, it's obviously going to be high damage since it's single target. Only thing they need to fix is the CC, I can be CC'd by it, break free, but still be on the floor able to move around but not able to use abilities leaving me to be bummed by the opposing nightblade. Not fun.

thesesneaksaredopeb14a_ESO

Why don't we just get your real wish granted and it seems like a lot others as well and get the entire night blade class erased right?? Then the game will finally be playable for you?

Strider_Roshin

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

As a person who doesn't have a NB I don't think it needs a nerf, it's obviously going to be high damage since it's single target. Only thing they need to fix is the CC, I can be CC'd by it, break free, but still be on the floor able to move around but not able to use abilities leaving me to be bummed by the opposing nightblade. Not fun.

As a person who uses incapacitating strike, I would love to have that stun removed. I'd take anything over it.

ManDraKE

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

As a person who doesn't have a NB I don't think it needs a nerf, it's obviously going to be high damage since it's single target. Only thing they need to fix is the CC, I can be CC'd by it, break free, but still be on the floor able to move around but not able to use abilities leaving me to be bummed by the opposing nightblade. Not fun.

As a person who uses incapacitating strike, I would love to have that stun removed. I'd take anything over it.

i prefer keep the stun and lower the damage. Nighblades dont have an stambased CC, so things like gapclose+stun+dps in 2 skills would not be possible unless you use 1h&s (ambush+incap, shield charge+dps skill), and stamblades shine while using 2h+bow. Having to do ambush+fear+dps skill is not very effective if you are fighting a good player, not only because he will break free fast, but also because fear drain a lots of magika.

IF they remove the stun of incap, i would just switch to dawnbraker of smithing.