Incapacitating Strike - NBs Ultimate

NotPhobia

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

DynastyIXII

2 and 6 are the same thing just worded differently.

NotPhobia

DynastyIXII wrote: »

2 and 6 are the same thing just worded differently.

major defile is part of the disease dmg it does , it heal debuffs on top of that disease defile

Master_Kas

Cloak -> fear -> surprise attack -> deathstroke/incap/soul harvest

What next, shadow image, cripple, agony?

KoreanAwtamatic

It's the easiest ultimate to dodge. Shuffle or blur allows you to dodge it. It also makes a loud audible noise for you to let you know to dodge roll

NotPhobia

Master_Kas wrote: »

Cloak -> fear -> surprise attack -> deathstroke/incap/soul harvest

What next, shadow image, cripple, agony?

ummm the audible noise is when you get hit by it... and so your saying the only counter is a broken ability "suffle" or a nbs ability "blur"

zuto40

you can dodge roll it, block it, it can miss on its on with shuffle, or even move out of range, its also 1 of the hardest ults to land since its animation is so easily visible, this is clearly a l2p issue

KoreanAwtamatic

The audible noise is heard whether it's dodged or not

Xvorg

Master_Kas wrote: »

Cloak -> fear -> surprise attack -> deathstroke/incap/soul harvest

What next, shadow image, cripple, agony?

Forced to play strife

Xvorg

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Perchance... isn't this your second post on the issue?

Your hate for NBs is blinding your own skill. I wish I could land an incap strike on a decent Pvper

Lokey0024

Xvorg wrote: »

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Perchance... isn't this your second post on the issue?

Your hate for NBs is blinding your own skill. I wish I could land an incap strike on a decent Pvper

Ambush and fear then. It empowers it that way too. If You Seriously didn't know This..........

deepseamk20b14_ESO

All classes have access to shuffle. All classes have access to dodge roll. NB has zero advantage when talking about dodge roll.

Vangy

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Incap costs 50 ult;

1. Single target
2. Does Diesease damage that applies minor defile
3. Applies major defile.
4. CC's opponent Most of the time, the correct way to use this is after fear (at which point your opponent would have broken free making this CC useless due to immunity.
5. Does about the same damage as Dizzying swing or rapid strikes.

Dawnbreaker of smiting costs 100 ult;

1. AOE damage
2. AOE knockdown
3. Does more than TWICE the damage of incap.
4. Is double buffed by might and thamaturge.

Incap is fine. Just run impen and some proper health total. Survive the burst = NB gg.

KoreanAwtamatic

Vangy wrote: »

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Incap costs 50 ult;

1. Single target
2. Does Diesease damage that applies minor defile
3. Applies major defile.
4. CC's opponent Most of the time, the correct way to use this is after fear (at which point your opponent would have broken free making this CC useless due to immunity.
5. Does about the same damage as Dizzying swing or rapid strikes.

Dawnbreaker of smiting costs 100 ult;

1. AOE damage
2. AOE knockdown
3. Does more than TWICE the damage of incap.
4. Is double buffed by might and thamaturge.

Incap is fine. Just run impen and some proper health total. Survive the burst = NB gg.

Good comparison

Xvorg

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Perchance... isn't this your second post on the issue?

Your hate for NBs is blinding your own skill. I wish I could land an incap strike on a decent Pvper

Ambush and fear then. It empowers it that way too. If You Seriously didn't know This..........

that requires skill, right?

Lokey0024

Xvorg wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Perchance... isn't this your second post on the issue?

Your hate for NBs is blinding your own skill. I wish I could land an incap strike on a decent Pvper

Ambush and fear then. It empowers it that way too. If You Seriously didn't know This..........

that requires skill, right?

Just telling you how to Grant your own wish.

kadar

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

We've been through this pre-DB update. ZOS agreed and nerfed it's damage.

OP, you should go check out Dawnbreaker of Smiting. It's better than Incap right now unless you're soloing and absolutely can't kill templars without the heal debuff from incap. DBoS does more damage, is an AOE, scales with both mighty and thaumaturge (making it amazing for templars and DKs), knocks down, 20% increased damage to vamps/ww, and gives 3% passive weapon damage just for slotting it. Oh and it's not dodgeable.

Soris

But but no need to be the cool guy. It difinitely does too much for its cost. And it's pyhsical now.

leepalmer95

Instead of going 7x well fitted go impen, even as a sorc.

That way they won't hit hitting you for 10k+ crit's anyway, good for you.

Love the way people are complaining about incap and not dawnbreaker of smiting.

olsborg

When I play my nb, 50% of the time incap gets dodged.

mtwiggz

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Please leave.

SneaK

Salty sorc

MrTarkanian48

Regarding Dawnbreaker, meteor is also not dodgeable

Strider_Roshin

By crazy damage do you mean half the damage of Dawnbreaker, except it affects only one target whereas Dawnbreaker is an AoE, and it passively increases your weapon damage? Yeah I think the damage is more than fine. Also overload can do twice as much damage per hit out of stealth, and it's spam-able. Also you know those affects your mentioned only lasts for 6 seconds right? Meaning if you actually use your brain during a fight you'll know to play defensive during that 6 seconds. I do it, you can too.

Julianos

you can easly dodge/block and yes dawnbreaker deals more damage with a %8 extra more damage buff to all abilities +%20 more damage to vamps and wws also aoe

Jaronking

Its crazy how a AOE ultimate deal more then a single target that's balanced right their .

Bfish22090

get rekt

WillhelmBlack

Too high damage fo 50 ultimate, I can pop 2 in on tankier players. It absolutely recks Templars though which is a refreshing change from when I'm on my Templar fighting a Templar, nearly fall asleep!

Also wanna add, most of the time the sound comes after your swift death. So there's no counter if you're low health. No problem with that but saying you can hear it coming isn't always the truth.

DDuke

Hi.

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Dawnbreaker of Smiting

• Costs 100 (96 for Templars, 85 for Sorcs) Ultimate
• Puts a DoT on target that counters more healing than a 30% heal debuff
• CCs opponents (plural)
• Passively gives you 3% weapon damage
• Undodgeable, as is the big DoT effect
• Does equally crazy damage.

Thanks for playing.

Why don't you find some other thing that's killing you in PvP to complain about?

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

Takes-No-Prisoner

DDuke wrote: »

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

Hmmrmm depends on what the NB in question is doing. Major Defile can be a great tool for building back the fighting momentum if you're in a tough spot. Counters aside, if you can spring up on a unsuspecting victim this ult is quite devastating for how cheap the cost is.

The cool thing about running both, I have seen is, if you get a roll dodge monkey and you bait them into rolling you can just DBOS them as the enemy is completing his roll animation. I've smacked a target that rolled backwards[away from me], but still got hit by the tip of the cone of DBOS. Then you can save Incap for those people who run strong heals, as the extra damage applied to your toon for 6 seconds is helpful for uphill fights. Plus with Poisons tossed into the mix, -60% Stamina poison proc on a Magicka based target is horrifying if the NB is also running Incap. They basically have as little as 40-20% stamina to use, if you pressure the Magicka target to deplete that remaining pool, we win this fight decisively. But that perfect storm won't happen too often.

leepalmer95

DDuke wrote: »

Hi.

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Dawnbreaker of Smiting

• Costs 100 (96 for Templars, 85 for Sorcs) Ultimate
• Puts a DoT on target that counters more healing than a 30% heal debuff
• CCs opponents (plural)
• Passively gives you 3% weapon damage
• Undodgeable, as is the big DoT effect
• Does equally crazy damage.

Thanks for playing.

Why don't you find some other thing that's killing you in PvP to complain about?

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

Agreed with everything apart from that point, a good nb knows when to use this to actually land it. In duels incap is very strong, a medium weave/SA then incap into an already damaged opponent is usually good fight.

Plus i use it in open word as well, most people don't run impen and a simple light attacj/injection into ambush + incap basically kills the newbs, then with passives and such i'll have incap up again soon.

Of course dawnbreaker is on my off bar as it's super strong in any group scenerio's and literally changes fights.

Even if it's used defensively, been plenty of times were groups don't heal because i'm on my own and i punish them for it with a 10k+ dawnbreaker.