Incapacitating Strike - NBs Ultimate

holosoul

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

All classes have access to shuffle. All classes have access to dodge roll. NB has zero advantage when talking about dodge roll.

This is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read, and everyone who read it is now more stupid for having voiced it in their head.

holosoul

Hey NBs, didn't u kno!? evry1 has access to shield stacking via annulment and healing ward!!!

davey1107

The intent of the Incapacitating Strike changes was to offer stam builds an ultimate comparable to meteor or some of the other mag ults.

We've been handicapped for two years with magic-based ultimates that hit about as hard as my standard attacks. We now have some power. L2P or bend over.

Hulk_VI

I spy NBs being defensive is this post. All Phobia is trying to say is that Incap mixed with NBs ulti gain is a little to much, u can drop a Incap in a duel pop a potion light a track wait 2secs have it back. Dawnbreaker is better don't get me wrong but the reason it does double damage is cause it is 2x the cost. Incap is more so broken is duels not open world. Also only the dot effect from dawnbreaker gets buffed from CP not the initial hit and u can purge it so if u die to the dot then that's a l2P issue.

susmitds

Hulk_VI wrote: »

I spy NBs being defensive is this post. All Phobia is trying to say is that Incap mixed with NBs ulti gain is a little to much, u can drop a Incap in a duel pop a potion light a track wait 2secs have it back. Dawnbreaker is better don't get me wrong but the reason it does double damage is cause it is 2x the cost. Incap is more so broken is duels not open world. Also only the dot effect from dawnbreaker gets buffed from CP not the initial hit and u can purge it so if u die to the dot then that's a l2P issue.

NB's ulti gain depend on Soul Harvest, which stops you from having Incap Strike and Siphoning skills which is somebody that only Mag NBs can actually use properly.

Jaronking

davey1107 wrote: »

The intent of the Incapacitating Strike changes was to offer stam builds an ultimate comparable to meteor or some of the other mag ults.

We've been handicapped for two years with magic-based ultimates that hit about as hard as my standard attacks. We now have some power. L2P or bend over.

Actually its supposed to hit harder then Dawnbreaker and meteor since 1.Its a class Ultimate and 2.Its single target Single target abilities are supposed to hit harder then AOE abilities. at this time it's not the case and really suck that a AOE will hit harder then a single target ability.

@Hulk_VI only Templar and magic builds can afford to run a purgy.Only stam build who can run a purify is a Stamplar.Stam Sorc,StamDk,StamNB can not purgy the DOt from Dawnbreaker.So it will hit harder,then incap.Yes NB has cloak but it not a purge anymore it just weakens dots but cloak is broken as hell.So a gap closer will break it same with some Dots.

Jsmalls

My overload with Molag Kena and the new elegant set begs to differ, for 20 ultimate I'm hitting 15k to 20k on crits

And someone said Magicka Sorcs were dead, ha.

DDuke

Hulk_VI wrote: »

I spy NBs being defensive is this post. All Phobia is trying to say is that Incap mixed with NBs ulti gain is a little to much, u can drop a Incap in a duel pop a potion light a track wait 2secs have it back. Dawnbreaker is better don't get me wrong but the reason it does double damage is cause it is 2x the cost. Incap is more so broken is duels not open world. Also only the dot effect from dawnbreaker gets buffed from CP not the initial hit and u can purge it so if u die to the dot then that's a l2P issue.

Au contraire mon frère.

If that first Incap doesn't kill you in duels, then the second one is very unlikely to do so either because in 0,5 seconds your target is back up at full health and/or roll dodging and kiting you to avoid all damage.

The reason you want DBOS in duels as stamblade - particularly against other stamina builds - is because you can actually use it after some other heavy burst (e.g. heavy attack+surprise attack) after which people usually roll dodge and go on the defensive. By throwing an undodgeable ulti at a low health opponent, you pretty much win.


Incap can also be purged btw, just like DBOS.


In 1vX Incap can be good, because with points in Combat Frenzy you're pretty much guaranteed to have it up for every 1v1 encounter as long as you killed the previous target. Then again, DBOS has its own merits for 1vX...

leepalmer95

DDuke wrote: »

Hulk_VI wrote: »

I spy NBs being defensive is this post. All Phobia is trying to say is that Incap mixed with NBs ulti gain is a little to much, u can drop a Incap in a duel pop a potion light a track wait 2secs have it back. Dawnbreaker is better don't get me wrong but the reason it does double damage is cause it is 2x the cost. Incap is more so broken is duels not open world. Also only the dot effect from dawnbreaker gets buffed from CP not the initial hit and u can purge it so if u die to the dot then that's a l2P issue.

Au contraire mon frère.

If that first Incap doesn't kill you in duels, then the second one is very unlikely to do so either because in 0,5 seconds your target is back up at full health and/or roll dodging and kiting you to avoid all damage.

The reason you want DBOS in duels as stamblade - particularly against other stamina builds - is because you can actually use it after some other heavy burst (e.g. heavy attack+surprise attack) after which people usually roll dodge and go on the defensive. By throwing an undodgeable ulti at a low health opponent, you pretty much win.


Incap can also be purged btw, just like DBOS.


In 1vX Incap can be good, because with points in Combat Frenzy you're pretty much guaranteed to have it up for every 1v1 encounter as long as you killed the previous target. Then again, DBOS has its own merits for 1vX...

Just FYi you can't have incap up every 4 seconds...

drink a pot is 20, then you've still got 10 seconds until you actually have it up..

DannyLV702

DDuke wrote: »

Hi.

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

This is the noobiest thing I've ever read tbh. Incap Strike is one of the best ultimates out there and GOOD nbs know how to take complete advantage of it

olsborg

DannyLV702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Hi.

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

This is the noobiest thing I've ever read tbh. Incap Strike is one of the best ultimates out there and GOOD nbs know how to take complete advantage of it

Sure, but its still far from a guaranteed hit, wich DBOS is.

Jaronking

DannyLV702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Hi.

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

This is the noobiest thing I've ever read tbh. Incap Strike is one of the best ultimates out there and GOOD nbs know how to take complete advantage of it

Call @DDuke a noob is like calling someone like @FENGRUSH or @Sypher noobs. He far from it and a very good NB at that with a lot of experience so you should trust him when he say something about NB he usually know what he talking about.Is incap not good against bad player yes best ultimate in the game because they just try to face tank it.Against a good player or in a 1v1 against a good player they will most likely block it which reduces it damage,or dodge it where you take no damage and just waste a ultimate. Most players in that 1v1 will have some type of immobile applied so you can't fair them unless your able to time it right when the affect end.Which you no longer get the stun from incap.So DBOs would be the better option since depending on who your fighting most classes can't purge it.

PurifedBladez

DannyLV702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Hi.

NotPhobia wrote: »

First off im going to list what the ultimate does.

1. Cost 50 ULTIMATE
2. Heal debuffs
3. CC's Opponent
4. Makes you do more dmg against your opponent
5. Does crazy dmg
6. And puts minor defile on your opponent

Why does a 50 ultimate do this much ?? There is absolutely no reason to be another class if you want to be good , the Nightblade class completely destroys any other class ability wise and passive wise. Not to mention Nbs have shuffle , cloak and dodge rolls to avoid incoming dmg. ZOS PLEASE FIX THIS CLASS , ITS OUT PERFORMING EVERYTHING!!!

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

This is the noobiest thing I've ever read tbh. Incap Strike is one of the best ultimates out there and GOOD nbs know how to take complete advantage of it

Lokey0024

DDuke wrote: »

Hulk_VI wrote: »

I spy NBs being defensive is this post. All Phobia is trying to say is that Incap mixed with NBs ulti gain is a little to much, u can drop a Incap in a duel pop a potion light a track wait 2secs have it back. Dawnbreaker is better don't get me wrong but the reason it does double damage is cause it is 2x the cost. Incap is more so broken is duels not open world. Also only the dot effect from dawnbreaker gets buffed from CP not the initial hit and u can purge it so if u die to the dot then that's a l2P issue.

Au contraire mon frère.

If that first Incap doesn't kill you in duels, then the second one is very unlikely to do so either because in 0,5 seconds your target is back up at full health and/or roll dodging and kiting you to avoid all damage.

The reason you want DBOS in duels as stamblade - particularly against other stamina builds - is because you can actually use it after some other heavy burst (e.g. heavy attack+surprise attack) after which people usually roll dodge and go on the defensive. By throwing an undodgeable ulti at a low health opponent, you pretty much win.


Incap can also be purged btw, just like DBOS.


In 1vX Incap can be good, because with points in Combat Frenzy you're pretty much guaranteed to have it up for every 1v1 encounter as long as you killed the previous target. Then again, DBOS has its own merits for 1vX...

The utility is there no doubt. But forcing someone on the defensive sooner in the duel or openworld makes incap strike just as strong, until the first time they dodged it while feared because of shuffle.....changed my mind real quick.

DBoS synergizes better with most builds anyhow.

Docmandu

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

All classes have access to dodge roll. NB has zero advantage when talking about dodge roll.

Refreshing Shadows - Increase Stamina, Magicka and Health recovery by 15%

Jaronking

Docmandu wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

All classes have access to dodge roll. NB has zero advantage when talking about dodge roll.

Refreshing Shadows - Increase Stamina, Magicka and Health recovery by 15%

You can't use that since their still subject to the 4 second cool down on dodge rolling so that extra 15% means nothing.You still be out of stamina if you dodge roll to much to soon.@Docmandu

susmitds

Docmandu wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

All classes have access to dodge roll. NB has zero advantage when talking about dodge roll.

Refreshing Shadows - Increase Stamina, Magicka and Health recovery by 15%

That is a all-purpose sustain passive. All classes something or the other similar to that.

Detector

NotPhobia wrote: »

Energy Overload

1. Cost 64 ULTIMATE
2. Remote damage
3. Does crazy dmg (in DD-builds light atack = 10-11k crit in pvp vs medium armor)
4. More than one attack
5. Restore of magicka
6. No magicka consumption

FIX

Paraflex

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

All classes have access to shuffle. All classes have access to dodge roll. NB has zero advantage when talking about dodge roll.

Except for the back the stam regain and cost reduction is significantly better and they can dodge roll 50 times more often than any other class...

Cody

every class can use shuffle and dodge roll. I see players from all classes using both quite frequently.

I would not mind if incapacitating strikes had an ultimate increase though. To be honest I really don't even use it anymore; dawnbreaker is better in my opinion. yes it costs twice as much ultimate, but the damage I can put out with it is amazing.

Cody

heck half of my incapacitating strikes miss; that's part of why I stopped using it. I myself dodge most used against me. Dawnbreaker hits more and does more damage. Dawnbreaker>incapacitating strikes.

leepalmer95

Paraflex wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

All classes have access to shuffle. All classes have access to dodge roll. NB has zero advantage when talking about dodge roll.

Except for the back the stam regain and cost reduction is significantly better and they can dodge roll 50 times more often than any other class...

On console to dodge roll you must press block first, therefore negating your regen tick.

Next point please.

leepalmer95

Cody wrote: »

heck half of my incapacitating strikes miss; that's part of why I stopped using it. I myself dodge most used against me. Dawnbreaker hits more and does more damage. Dawnbreaker>incapacitating strikes.

Been trying to tell people this since release of DB. People just choose to ignore, mainly because it's not a nb skill.

Cody

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

heck half of my incapacitating strikes miss; that's part of why I stopped using it. I myself dodge most used against me. Dawnbreaker hits more and does more damage. Dawnbreaker>incapacitating strikes.

Been trying to tell people this since release of DB. People just choose to ignore, mainly because it's not a nb skill.

It honestly worked better back when softcaps were around in my opinion. Back then attaining a 2-3 shot build took a lot of work; and incapacitating strikes helped me do so; but because of my high damage build my defense was pretty bad; I would not be able to last in a drawn out fight, therefore dawnbreaker was hard to use. Now though I can last quite some time in a fight, enough to use dawnbreaker, while still being able to put out high damage. Now, at least for me, incapacitating strikes is inferior in almost every way to Dawnbreaker; the only exception being ultimate cost.

Burning_Talons

I dont find it to be that annoying i usually just CC break their fear and talon them

NotPhobia

jfc

Toc de Malsvi

DBOS doesn't empower you for 6s, I have yet to die from DBOS, but I have died to Incap. Yes it can be dodged, but any good NB will set up their burst with CC. The great thing about Incap is that if you don't kill them you just reset and come back with burst again with 10s. If you screw up your DBOS you will be waiting 20s before you get another burst window. There are trade offs to both and from what I've tried Incap works better for me using it as well as works better against me. I can certainly see though where DBOS can perform better.

LiquidSchwartz

NotPhobia wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Cloak -> fear -> surprise attack -> deathstroke/incap/soul harvest

What next, shadow image, cripple, agony?

ummm the audible noise is when you get hit by it... and so your saying the only counter is a broken ability "suffle" or a nbs ability "blur"

No.. It makes a piecing noise when initiated
I dodge roll other nb and try to time it w their shuffle recast or after rolls bc of it being so easy to dodge

This whole thread is a l2p issue not op issue

Lokey0024

I hear the dumbest *** on NB threads. L2p but if there is no lag. If its lagging just tell them you l2p so they cant hit you.

ManDraKE

DDuke wrote: »

Dawnbreaker of Smiting

• Costs 100 (96 for Templars, 85 for Sorcs) Ultimate
• Puts a DoT on target that counters more healing than a 30% heal debuff
• CCs opponents (plural)
• Passively gives you 3% weapon damage
• Undodgeable, as is the big DoT effect
• Does equally crazy damage.

Thanks for playing.

Why don't you find some other thing that's killing you in PvP to complain about?

Good NBs don't even use Incap because it is easily countered by roll dodging (unlike DBOS).

pretty much. Dawnbreaker is superior to incap in all situations, except 1vs1 (and vs dodge roll builds i always switch to Dawnbreaker). My dawnbraker of smithing stun and rekts entire groups, yet i dont' see much people complaining about it, Why? Simple, everything related to nighblades gets exagerated 200x times by *** players, is has always been like that.