Shield breaker set/ Shield stacking

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

I have both a magicka sorc and a stam nightblade..

With my nightblade, it is damn near impossible to kill a shield-stacking sorc and although I don't use Shield Breaker, I think it is totally justified in its existence. I think maybe it could use just a two-second cooldown or something.

No, it's really not. You either have a bad build or bad rotation. Sorry, but it's ture.

Spambush - suprise attack with light attack weave - fear - soul harvest - (maybe another suprise attack) - light atrack - executioner.

3-5 seconds burst. With the right stats a sorc might not even get shield back up. You really shouldn't have a problem with sorcs.

Stamblades yave no place to QQ about anything. My stam Nb at vet 4 is an absolute monster. It's not even fair playing it

You're battle-leveled lol ^^^

Yeh, to vet 15. Which makes it almost as good as 16. So at 16, it'll be stronger. What's your point?

The point is, once you lose that extra free health at v16, you will not be able to stand toe-to-toe with a good Sorc

Come back when you're there

You do realise that you don't get extra health right?

Battle levelling has changed, it amplifies your stats to what they would be at vet 15.

So I'll have the same health, same stam, same stam regen, same everything. Oh, apart from and extra spell damage from 3 piece agility. I'll be even stronger. No wonder you can't kill a sorc on the most op burst damage class, you don't understand the game.

I have vr16s who I pvp with and do just fine. My stam DK and magica NB are 16 and do fine against sorcs.

Come back when you understand how the game works and figure out how to burst 25k damage on a stamblade lol

Okkk you're a stamblade expert, even though yours isnt even v16 yet. Do me a favor and take a screenshot of your health stats at v14 and v16, and tell me your health doesn't go down.

p.s., are you on Xbox btw? Would love to go 1v1 with you and show you a real Sorc

Wreuntzylla

Brrrofski wrote: »

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

Let me get this right. Two light attacks failed to break igneous shield? In fact, 5 different people hit you with enough light attacks to kill you with shield breaker without breaking igneous shield?

I would have cursed out that 100k+ health DK "in an instant."

Lexxypwns

Casts_Many_Storms wrote: »

Hello, sorry for long paragraph ;p

I have played Magicka Sorcerer since the beginning of game launch, but shield breaker destroys the whole Gameplay of playing any magicka build, the set was probably intended to counter shield stacking, which I agree with I hate shield stacking, I use 2 shield, healing ward, and conjured ward, which is now a death risk with shield breaker, so I tried replacing healing ward with other healing, blessing of restoration, healing springs, mutagen, dark deal, all of which are too insignificant to heal a guy spamming shield breaker at you, and if you don't use a shield you die, as stamina builds can hit you with a 13k+ uppercut, baring in mind, I am wearing, 1 heavy chest, medium pants, all rest light armor, for the undaunted passives, and to maximise defence, if I try use a shield to mitigate some of the damage they spam light attacks killing you in seconds, using shield breaker, bow with decrease health enchant, dealing additional 500+ unresistable damage to you. It doesn't just affect Sorcerer, magicka dk I use igneous shield to boost healing of blessing of restoration I die from shield breaker, Templar use radiant ward or sun shield die from shield breaker, magicka Night Blade healing ward to heal die from shield breaker, magicka sorc die from shield breaker.

Now is there anything that is planned for this set?

1) Add a cool down timer to the shield breaker, making it only hit you with a shield every 6 seconds or so.

2) Remove shield breaker completely and find an alternative option to shield stacking problem.

3) Remove shield breaker, and for damage shields why not add an option that only your strongest shield applies, for example if you have healing ward giving 7k shield, light armor skill giving 5k shield, and conjured ward giving 11k shield, then if you use all 3, you get the damage shield from conjured ward, get healing from healing ward (but no damage shield), and light armor skill you absorb magicka (but no damage shield) would solve a lot of shield stacking problems and there would be no need for shield breaker to exist anymore.

They are just some ideas to make the game more balanced and skill based and not have easy options to kill magicka builds by spamming light attack.

Thanks

@brianwheeler

@Wrobel

@GinaBruno

hey man, I main a magika sorc, I've literally never had shieldbreaker in a single death recap and I know I've fought players using it, when you hear that god awful noise, start kiting, use clever los and proper mine placement. Another bit of advice is to run degeneration (not structured entropy) on your overload bar, shield breaker users are gonna have trouble dealing with that 10k+ damage and heal.

Sure, you have to adapt, but you can still shield stack to your hearts content as long as you react quickly to a shieldbreaker user you'll be just fine, remember that someone using this 5 pc is NOT capable of running 5 pc hundings and as a result will be sorely lacking in damage to burst your shields and likely only be able to pressure you if you don't LoS them

Lexxypwns

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

I have both a magicka sorc and a stam nightblade..

With my nightblade, it is damn near impossible to kill a shield-stacking sorc and although I don't use Shield Breaker, I think it is totally justified in its existence. I think maybe it could use just a two-second cooldown or something.

No, it's really not. You either have a bad build or bad rotation. Sorry, but it's ture.

Spambush - suprise attack with light attack weave - fear - soul harvest - (maybe another suprise attack) - light atrack - executioner.

3-5 seconds burst. With the right stats a sorc might not even get shield back up. You really shouldn't have a problem with sorcs.

Stamblades yave no place to QQ about anything. My stam Nb at vet 4 is an absolute monster. It's not even fair playing it

"shield stacking sorc" means TWO if you're a Stam build. One of which is not very big at all

Stamblades don't need executioner, its a wasted bar slot, suprise attack hits hard enough that if you're in execute range its going to kill you anyway, try replacing it on your bars with Shadow Image for maximum trolling

Brrrofski

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

I have both a magicka sorc and a stam nightblade..

With my nightblade, it is damn near impossible to kill a shield-stacking sorc and although I don't use Shield Breaker, I think it is totally justified in its existence. I think maybe it could use just a two-second cooldown or something.

No, it's really not. You either have a bad build or bad rotation. Sorry, but it's ture.

Spambush - suprise attack with light attack weave - fear - soul harvest - (maybe another suprise attack) - light atrack - executioner.

3-5 seconds burst. With the right stats a sorc might not even get shield back up. You really shouldn't have a problem with sorcs.

Stamblades yave no place to QQ about anything. My stam Nb at vet 4 is an absolute monster. It's not even fair playing it

You're battle-leveled lol ^^^

Yeh, to vet 15. Which makes it almost as good as 16. So at 16, it'll be stronger. What's your point?

The point is, once you lose that extra free health at v16, you will not be able to stand toe-to-toe with a good Sorc

Come back when you're there

You do realise that you don't get extra health right?

Battle levelling has changed, it amplifies your stats to what they would be at vet 15.

So I'll have the same health, same stam, same stam regen, same everything. Oh, apart from and extra spell damage from 3 piece agility. I'll be even stronger. No wonder you can't kill a sorc on the most op burst damage class, you don't understand the game.

I have vr16s who I pvp with and do just fine. My stam DK and magica NB are 16 and do fine against sorcs.

Come back when you understand how the game works and figure out how to burst 25k damage on a stamblade lol

Okkk you're a stamblade expert, even though yours isnt even v16 yet. Do me a favor and take a screenshot of your health stats at v14 and v16, and tell me your health doesn't go down.

p.s., are you on Xbox btw? Would love to go 1v1 with you and show you a real Sorc

I have played this game a lot and know a bit about it. I have 4 VR 16s. That's how battle levelling works. I saw it on my temp and magica NB. No health loss. Just gained from 14-16. Go read up about it. You gain no health benefit except battle spirit, which everyone at every level gets.

All I'll do is gain at 16. Legendary armor, legendary Glyphs and the 3 piece agility bonus. I currently have 20679 health. Take away battle spirit that leaves me with 15. I have 3 ashen grip which adds health, and 2 health glyphs on my big, infused pieces and one on a small piece.

Add that to the base health and some passives like dark vigor from shadow (at 6% on my main bar) and that's all health accounted for. No extra health, just the bonuses boosted to VR15. So I'll gain health in fact due to ashen grip going up and legendary health enchants.

What are your 16 stats? Honestly, stam NBs need the least help against sorcs. Catch them with a good burst rotation and it's hard for them to react (unless they run unstoppable pots or have crazy CP in tumbling).

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

Let me get this right. Two light attacks failed to break igneous shield? In fact, 5 different people hit you with enough light attacks to kill you with shield breaker without breaking igneous shield?

I would have cursed out that 100k+ health DK "in an instant."

That's not how it works. It ignores the shield completely and deals 2.1k unresistable damage directly to your health. So as long as the shield is up, you take the damage. I didn't't have vigor at the time so no real form of heal. The set name is misleading.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

I have both a magicka sorc and a stam nightblade..

With my nightblade, it is damn near impossible to kill a shield-stacking sorc and although I don't use Shield Breaker, I think it is totally justified in its existence. I think maybe it could use just a two-second cooldown or something.

No, it's really not. You either have a bad build or bad rotation. Sorry, but it's ture.

Spambush - suprise attack with light attack weave - fear - soul harvest - (maybe another suprise attack) - light atrack - executioner.

3-5 seconds burst. With the right stats a sorc might not even get shield back up. You really shouldn't have a problem with sorcs.

Stamblades yave no place to QQ about anything. My stam Nb at vet 4 is an absolute monster. It's not even fair playing it

"shield stacking sorc" means TWO if you're a Stam build. One of which is not very big at all

Stamblades don't need executioner, its a wasted bar slot, suprise attack hits hard enough that if you're in execute range its going to kill you anyway, try replacing it on your bars with Shadow Image for maximum trolling

(without flawless dawnbreaker but buffed with rally) My surrise attack currently does 7416 damage. Executioner does 3709 plus up to 300% more based on health. So it could do almost 12k based on how low their health is. Plus it gives me extra regen (30% for 10 seconds) when I kill someone with it (battle rush passive on two hander). So while not needed, it definitely warrants a space on my bar (for me anyway).

I use shadow on my magblade. Not fussed on my stamblade, I like keeping my limited magic for cloak and Relentless Focus/double take. Cloak mostly though.

ToRelax

Asmael wrote: »

I'm killing sorcerers on my magicka DK (so I have to burst thru Hardened + Harness) and don't even have Proxy det unlocked. Granted, this is not easy, and requires pretty good timing and constant pressure, but it's very doable.

If you need Shield breaker on a stamina build to kill a sorc, you either:
1) Are a tank / Low damage build
2) Are doing something really wrong

...Simply because you have only one shield (Hardened ward) to break to damage your opponent's health.

I don't even know why shield breaker came out for stamina builds, since the issue was the stacking of hardened / harness that made sorcs pretty much unkillable by a single magicka build. No matter how I look at this set, it feels like poor design

One thing is sure, as long as we're in this "DPS / burst only" meta, shields need to be as strong as they currently are (even more for %health based ones), because of how strong stamina burst currently is. Good thing is, a revamp to CPs is coming with, maybe, a physical resistance star or equivalent.

As for the comments saying "it's only sorcs", my mag DK haz a resto staff saying "healing ward" on it, so, no, it's not just sorcs.

"Shield spamming is the issue", no, infinite resources that allow infinite shield spamming is the issue.

^ This person got it right.

I'll just call out some of the "arguments" being made in this thread.

"I don't manage to kill magicka Sorcs without Shieldbreaker, so Shieldbreaker must be balanced"
- Or you're just a bad player.

"It's only really effecting magicka Sorcs, who are OP anyway"
- Even if they were, magicka DKs and NBs have some serious problems with Shieldbreaker. DKs don't have such a good heal as Templars and aren't very mobile, while their shield mostly gives stamina back and buffs healing, but lasts for the full 20 sec unless broken. NBs usually use some HoTs and use Healing Ward to protect them. Doesn't work against Shieldbreaker, especially since it can be stacked with detect pots.

"NBs don't complain about detect pots either, so why do you about Shieldbreaker?"
- I don't like detect pots very much, would rather have them work only for the user, instead of making invisible enemies visible for everyone. Ever heard of "ad hominem"? Since you just lost your point, it must be a fallacy.

"Shieldbreaker isn't really an issue 1v1"
- That's why it's banned from future Arena tournaments after trying it once...

"Even with Shieldbreaker it's not that easy to kill a shield user before he bursts you down"
- If he can just burst you down, and even in the few seconds he has - if he tries to attack instead of run, he will die if he fails that burst - you really are a bad player.

"It's not that much of a problem atm, since I don't see that many players using it currently"
- Not only does that not mean it's not a problem, the use of Shieldbreaker has been both lower and higher at times since it's introduction.


At last, I would also like to say that a "only one shield may be applied at any time"-rule is a horrible idea, just like the buff system we currently have. It makes many smaller shields utterly worthless, forces a rebalance of large parts of the system (as if there was balance in the first place) and takes out build diversity. That last point was actually used the other way around to justify the buff system. May I ask you then: Is it more of a fair tradeoff to spend a second skill slot on an additional, less crucial shield, or to use said shield in place of the one that is really needed?

Emma_Overload

acw37162 wrote: »

You left out the information that even if someone is tagging you with shield breaker you can streak away and have a morph of streak that eats projectiles.

You also left out that the stamina build who is hitting you with 13 K uppercuts, can't crit your 25 K worth of shields, is improbable to weave a heavy or light into wreking blow as its a channel and you loose empower on the light attack and they burned there entire 30 K stamina pool to chase you down after 4 streaks and you still have magica left to shield up and proc a frag.

I'm not feeling a ton of sympathy for the magica sorcs they are one of the most tanky, hardest hitting, and most mobile classes in the game.

Your only hard counter is one set of gear not everyone has or a Zerg catching you low on magica.

So this is the kind of stuff non-Sorcs believe, huh? Let me address the falsehoods and inaccuracies in your post:

1) Streak doesn't "eat" anything. You're thinking of the other morph, Ball of Lightning, which only absorbs SPELL projectiles, and only for 2.5 seconds. Considering the 4 second soft cooldown on BoL, this isn't so great, and it's outright USELESS against Bow users. How many Staff wielders do you think are wearing a medium armor set like Shield Breaker? I would guess that would be.... ZERO.

2) Players who spam 13K Uppercut typically do so at a rate of ONE per second. Stacking "25 K worth of shields" on the other hand, requires at least TWO consecutive casts which occur over a period of at least TWO seconds. You know what that means? No matter how fast a Sorc casts Wards, the Wrecking Blow spammer is going to win because the math is on his side. Nevermind the FACT that Wrecking Blow knocks its victim down on the ground, where he isn't going to be casting any wards AT ALL.

3) Wrecking Blow most certainly CAN be interleaved with medium or light attacks. Anyone can do it with practice, and anyone too lazy to practice can do it with a macro. Nuff said!

4) Nobody is going to "burn their entire 30 K stamina pool" chasing down a Sorc who Streaks 4 times. Everybody and their mother uses cheap gap closers like Stampede which have MORE range than Streak and would only cost about 8 K stamina total if cast 4 times consecutively. Bolt Escape (and morphs Streak + Ball of Lightning), on the other hand, is the only spell in ESO that has EXPONENTIALLY increasing costs! By the 4th cast, the Sorc will have blown over 16 K magicka (2 + 3 + 4.5 + 6.75) thanks to the STACKING 50% cost increase!!!

Forestd16b14_ESO

davidtxr wrote: »

Don't see what the problem is do you see Night blades crying over detection pots nope it's part of the game learn how to deal with it

Uh actually NB did non-stop crying about detection potions that's why they were nerfed in the first place. They used to have like 30 or 40 meter range and lasted like 40 to 50 seconds. But then NB cried and now there nearly useless cause most ranged skills/spells have a cast range greater than 20 meters.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Brrrofski wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How about no. I use shield breaker and shield users are still hard to kill cause once they realize there is a shield breaker user they run away or immediately gun down the shield breaker user. Shield breaker is not OP at all an extremely laughably easy to counter cause after all it only work with light and heavy attacks and bow light attacks only go so fast and go so far. Most skills in the game have father range than bow light attacks.

But if you're still against shield breaker and want different options than another one is shields become part of the major/minor were shields from skills are major shields and of course give bigger ones while shields from sets and enchantments are minor shields and not so powerful and like all major/minor skills you can have one major shield and one minor shield on at once.

Honestly, as a Stam build if you have trouble taking out shields your build just ain't good enough.

The irony is, it magica users who needs shield breaker, not stam. The real problem occurs with harness magica stacking with conjured ward. It's real challenge taking out a sorc using both as a magica build.

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

I don't think it should work with a bow. Spamming one button from 20+ metres to get 10k+ damage in 5 seconds. Do people really think that's balance? Melee is fine. There's a risk involved. But you got these people standing at the back of group just spamming one button. It's ridiculous.

Glad I don't feel the need to use a crutch set. I run my stam builds without training wheels. I put time and effort into my build. I worked out stats, gear and solid skill rotations. That kills sorcs fine on my stamblade, stam Dk and stam Sorc.

Or how about that I am a tank and my build is not meant for damage but taking it. I only use it to deal with the unkillable shield stackers that's it every thing else it's HA and taking damage.

This right here is the sad state PvP is in every one assumes that every one else is a shield stacking magicka user or a stamina WB spammer and nothing else.

bardx86

ToRelax wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I'm killing sorcerers on my magicka DK (so I have to burst thru Hardened + Harness) and don't even have Proxy det unlocked. Granted, this is not easy, and requires pretty good timing and constant pressure, but it's very doable.

If you need Shield breaker on a stamina build to kill a sorc, you either:
1) Are a tank / Low damage build
2) Are doing something really wrong

...Simply because you have only one shield (Hardened ward) to break to damage your opponent's health.

I don't even know why shield breaker came out for stamina builds, since the issue was the stacking of hardened / harness that made sorcs pretty much unkillable by a single magicka build. No matter how I look at this set, it feels like poor design

One thing is sure, as long as we're in this "DPS / burst only" meta, shields need to be as strong as they currently are (even more for %health based ones), because of how strong stamina burst currently is. Good thing is, a revamp to CPs is coming with, maybe, a physical resistance star or equivalent.

As for the comments saying "it's only sorcs", my mag DK haz a resto staff saying "healing ward" on it, so, no, it's not just sorcs.

"Shield spamming is the issue", no, infinite resources that allow infinite shield spamming is the issue.

^ This person got it right.

I'll just call out some of the "arguments" being made in this thread.

"I don't manage to kill magicka Sorcs without Shieldbreaker, so Shieldbreaker must be balanced"
- Or you're just a bad player.

"It's only really effecting magicka Sorcs, who are OP anyway"
- Even if they were, magicka DKs and NBs have some serious problems with Shieldbreaker. DKs don't have such a good heal as Templars and aren't very mobile, while their shield mostly gives stamina back and buffs healing, but lasts for the full 20 sec unless broken. NBs usually use some HoTs and use Healing Ward to protect them. Doesn't work against Shieldbreaker, especially since it can be stacked with detect pots.

"NBs don't complain about detect pots either, so why do you about Shieldbreaker?"
- I don't like detect pots very much, would rather have them work only for the user, instead of making invisible enemies visible for everyone. Ever heard of "ad hominem"? Since you just lost your point, it must be a fallacy.

"Shieldbreaker isn't really an issue 1v1"
- That's why it's banned from future Arena tournaments after trying it once...

"Even with Shieldbreaker it's not that easy to kill a shield user before he bursts you down"
- If he can just burst you down, and even in the few seconds he has - if he tries to attack instead of run, he will die if he fails that burst - you really are a bad player.

"It's not that much of a problem atm, since I don't see that many players using it currently"
- Not only does that not mean it's not a problem, the use of Shieldbreaker has been both lower and higher at times since it's introduction.


At last, I would also like to say that a "only one shield may be applied at any time"-rule is a horrible idea, just like the buff system we currently have. It makes many smaller shields utterly worthless, forces a rebalance of large parts of the system (as if there was balance in the first place) and takes out build diversity. That last point was actually used the other way around to justify the buff system. May I ask you then: Is it more of a fair tradeoff to spend a second skill slot on an additional, less crucial shield, or to use said shield in place of the one that is really needed?

Excellent post, all true.

bardx86

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

You left out the information that even if someone is tagging you with shield breaker you can streak away and have a morph of streak that eats projectiles.

You also left out that the stamina build who is hitting you with 13 K uppercuts, can't crit your 25 K worth of shields, is improbable to weave a heavy or light into wreking blow as its a channel and you loose empower on the light attack and they burned there entire 30 K stamina pool to chase you down after 4 streaks and you still have magica left to shield up and proc a frag.

I'm not feeling a ton of sympathy for the magica sorcs they are one of the most tanky, hardest hitting, and most mobile classes in the game.

Your only hard counter is one set of gear not everyone has or a Zerg catching you low on magica.

So this is the kind of stuff non-Sorcs believe, huh? Let me address the falsehoods and inaccuracies in your post:

1) Streak doesn't "eat" anything. Your'e thinking of the other morph, Ball of Lightning, which only absorbs SPELL projectiles, and only for 2.5 seconds. Considering the 4 second soft cooldown on BoL, this isn't so great, and it's outright USELESS against Bow users. How many Staff wielders do you think are wearing a medium armor set like Shield Breaker? I would guess that would be.... ZERO.

2) Players who spam 13K Uppercut typically do so at a rate of ONE per second. Stacking "25 K worth of shields" on the other hand, requires at least TWO consecutive casts which occur over a period of at least TWO seconds. You know what that means? No matter how fast a Sorc casts Wards, the Wrecking Blow spammer is going to win because the math is on his side. Nevermind the FACT that Wrecking Blow knocks its victim down on the ground, where he isn't going to be casting any wards AT ALL.

3) Wrecking Blow most certainly CAN be interleaved with medium or light attacks. Anyone can do it with practice, and anyone too lazy to practice can do it with a macro. Nuff said!

4) Nobody is going to "burn their entire 30 K stamina pool" chasing down a Sorc who Streaks 4 times. Everybody and their mother uses cheap gap closers like Stampede which have MORE range than Streak and would only cost about 8 K stamina total if cast 4 times consecutively. Bolt Escape (and morphs Streak + Ball of Lightning), on the other hand, is the only spell in ESO that has EXPONENTIALLY increasing costs! By the 4th cast, the Sorc will have blown over 16 K magicka (2 + 3 + 4.5 + 6.75) thanks to the STACKING 50% cost increase!!!

another great post.

smacx250

For me (a "filthy casual" hardened ward using Mag Sorc), Shield breaker has only been 0.5% of the damage in my death recaps since I started keeping track in Sept - pretty much a "don't care" for my overall gameplay. The #1, #2, and #3 skills by total damage in my death recaps are Surprise Attack at 14% (ave/max of 5.6K/12K), Wrecking Blow at 9% (ave/max of 7.7K/14K), and Ambush at 7% (ave/max of 4.6K/9.3K). Right now I've got a lot more to worry about than Shield breaker!

Lexxypwns

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

I have both a magicka sorc and a stam nightblade..

With my nightblade, it is damn near impossible to kill a shield-stacking sorc and although I don't use Shield Breaker, I think it is totally justified in its existence. I think maybe it could use just a two-second cooldown or something.

No, it's really not. You either have a bad build or bad rotation. Sorry, but it's ture.

Spambush - suprise attack with light attack weave - fear - soul harvest - (maybe another suprise attack) - light atrack - executioner.

3-5 seconds burst. With the right stats a sorc might not even get shield back up. You really shouldn't have a problem with sorcs.

Stamblades yave no place to QQ about anything. My stam Nb at vet 4 is an absolute monster. It's not even fair playing it

You're battle-leveled lol ^^^

Yeh, to vet 15. Which makes it almost as good as 16. So at 16, it'll be stronger. What's your point?

The point is, once you lose that extra free health at v16, you will not be able to stand toe-to-toe with a good Sorc

Come back when you're there

You do realise that you don't get extra health right?

Battle levelling has changed, it amplifies your stats to what they would be at vet 15.

So I'll have the same health, same stam, same stam regen, same everything. Oh, apart from and extra spell damage from 3 piece agility. I'll be even stronger. No wonder you can't kill a sorc on the most op burst damage class, you don't understand the game.

I have vr16s who I pvp with and do just fine. My stam DK and magica NB are 16 and do fine against sorcs.

Come back when you understand how the game works and figure out how to burst 25k damage on a stamblade lol

Okkk you're a stamblade expert, even though yours isnt even v16 yet. Do me a favor and take a screenshot of your health stats at v14 and v16, and tell me your health doesn't go down.

p.s., are you on Xbox btw? Would love to go 1v1 with you and show you a real Sorc

I have played this game a lot and know a bit about it. I have 4 VR 16s. That's how battle levelling works. I saw it on my temp and magica NB. No health loss. Just gained from 14-16. Go read up about it. You gain no health benefit except battle spirit, which everyone at every level gets.

All I'll do is gain at 16. Legendary armor, legendary Glyphs and the 3 piece agility bonus. I currently have 20679 health. Take away battle spirit that leaves me with 15. I have 3 ashen grip which adds health, and 2 health glyphs on my big, infused pieces and one on a small piece.

Add that to the base health and some passives like dark vigor from shadow (at 6% on my main bar) and that's all health accounted for. No extra health, just the bonuses boosted to VR15. So I'll gain health in fact due to ashen grip going up and legendary health enchants.

What are your 16 stats? Honestly, stam NBs need the least help against sorcs. Catch them with a good burst rotation and it's hard for them to react (unless they run unstoppable pots or have crazy CP in tumbling).

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

Let me get this right. Two light attacks failed to break igneous shield? In fact, 5 different people hit you with enough light attacks to kill you with shield breaker without breaking igneous shield?

I would have cursed out that 100k+ health DK "in an instant."

That's not how it works. It ignores the shield completely and deals 2.1k unresistable damage directly to your health. So as long as the shield is up, you take the damage. I didn't't have vigor at the time so no real form of heal. The set name is misleading.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

I have both a magicka sorc and a stam nightblade..

With my nightblade, it is damn near impossible to kill a shield-stacking sorc and although I don't use Shield Breaker, I think it is totally justified in its existence. I think maybe it could use just a two-second cooldown or something.

No, it's really not. You either have a bad build or bad rotation. Sorry, but it's ture.

Spambush - suprise attack with light attack weave - fear - soul harvest - (maybe another suprise attack) - light atrack - executioner.

3-5 seconds burst. With the right stats a sorc might not even get shield back up. You really shouldn't have a problem with sorcs.

Stamblades yave no place to QQ about anything. My stam Nb at vet 4 is an absolute monster. It's not even fair playing it

"shield stacking sorc" means TWO if you're a Stam build. One of which is not very big at all

Stamblades don't need executioner, its a wasted bar slot, suprise attack hits hard enough that if you're in execute range its going to kill you anyway, try replacing it on your bars with Shadow Image for maximum trolling

(without flawless dawnbreaker but buffed with rally) My surrise attack currently does 7416 damage. Executioner does 3709 plus up to 300% more based on health. So it could do almost 12k based on how low their health is. Plus it gives me extra regen (30% for 10 seconds) when I kill someone with it (battle rush passive on two hander). So while not needed, it definitely warrants a space on my bar (for me anyway).

I use shadow on my magblade. Not fussed on my stamblade, I like keeping my limited magic for cloak and Relentless Focus/double take. Cloak mostly though.

Shadow image is so cheap as to almost be free, my stamblade build runs s/b and 2h so its not worth the bar switch to use executioner for me just to gain stam regen I typically don't need, but I can see why you use it if you're not running s/b for bash canceling, the bonus damage from a s/b bash nearly equals out the damage difference between surprise attack and executioner for me

ToRelax

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How about no. I use shield breaker and shield users are still hard to kill cause once they realize there is a shield breaker user they run away or immediately gun down the shield breaker user. Shield breaker is not OP at all an extremely laughably easy to counter cause after all it only work with light and heavy attacks and bow light attacks only go so fast and go so far. Most skills in the game have father range than bow light attacks.

But if you're still against shield breaker and want different options than another one is shields become part of the major/minor were shields from skills are major shields and of course give bigger ones while shields from sets and enchantments are minor shields and not so powerful and like all major/minor skills you can have one major shield and one minor shield on at once.

Honestly, as a Stam build if you have trouble taking out shields your build just ain't good enough.

The irony is, it magica users who needs shield breaker, not stam. The real problem occurs with harness magica stacking with conjured ward. It's real challenge taking out a sorc using both as a magica build.

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

I don't think it should work with a bow. Spamming one button from 20+ metres to get 10k+ damage in 5 seconds. Do people really think that's balance? Melee is fine. There's a risk involved. But you got these people standing at the back of group just spamming one button. It's ridiculous.

Glad I don't feel the need to use a crutch set. I run my stam builds without training wheels. I put time and effort into my build. I worked out stats, gear and solid skill rotations. That kills sorcs fine on my stamblade, stam Dk and stam Sorc.

Or how about that I am a tank and my build is not meant for damage but taking it. I only use it to deal with the unkillable shield stackers that's it every thing else it's HA and taking damage.

This right here is the sad state PvP is in every one assumes that every one else is a shield stacking magicka user or a stamina WB spammer and nothing else.

Why do you think it's balanced for your tank to deal decent damage against some builds? Of course players will assume that your build is meant to deal damage when you are telling them you have problems killing a specific kind of build - or would have without that set.

Forestd16b14_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How about no. I use shield breaker and shield users are still hard to kill cause once they realize there is a shield breaker user they run away or immediately gun down the shield breaker user. Shield breaker is not OP at all an extremely laughably easy to counter cause after all it only work with light and heavy attacks and bow light attacks only go so fast and go so far. Most skills in the game have father range than bow light attacks.

But if you're still against shield breaker and want different options than another one is shields become part of the major/minor were shields from skills are major shields and of course give bigger ones while shields from sets and enchantments are minor shields and not so powerful and like all major/minor skills you can have one major shield and one minor shield on at once.

Honestly, as a Stam build if you have trouble taking out shields your build just ain't good enough.

The irony is, it magica users who needs shield breaker, not stam. The real problem occurs with harness magica stacking with conjured ward. It's real challenge taking out a sorc using both as a magica build.

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

I don't think it should work with a bow. Spamming one button from 20+ metres to get 10k+ damage in 5 seconds. Do people really think that's balance? Melee is fine. There's a risk involved. But you got these people standing at the back of group just spamming one button. It's ridiculous.

Glad I don't feel the need to use a crutch set. I run my stam builds without training wheels. I put time and effort into my build. I worked out stats, gear and solid skill rotations. That kills sorcs fine on my stamblade, stam Dk and stam Sorc.

Or how about that I am a tank and my build is not meant for damage but taking it. I only use it to deal with the unkillable shield stackers that's it every thing else it's HA and taking damage.

This right here is the sad state PvP is in every one assumes that every one else is a shield stacking magicka user or a stamina WB spammer and nothing else.

Why do you think it's balanced for your tank to deal decent damage against some builds? Of course players will assume that your build is meant to deal damage when you are telling them you have problems killing a specific kind of build - or would have without that set.

No it's meant to deal with a broken mechanic. I'm not sugar coating it damage shields even with the battle spirit nerf are still over powered and need nerfed. There is no arguing about it. I am a tank yes but in case you didn't notice tank builds are extremely lack luster in PvP due to DKs and Templars being over nerfed over and over again and HA being nearly useless due to lack of resource management and not actually having proper defense against players such as snares and passive crit resistance. So I figured I be some what useful and put on shield breaker when a shield user with there OP shields comes on by. With it I can either get them killed with help of others or cause them to run away because again shield breaker is not OP.

In a nutshell shield stackers are OP and shield breaker can atleast some what make the mortal again so others can kill them instead of how it is now were it takes 7 -15 players to kill one shield stacker and in all honestest I hope damage shields get nerfed next patch.

And before any one says "oh we have no physical resistance for OP stamina META wha wha" there are armor expert skills in the warriors tree of the champion system that increases your LA MA or HA physical resistance. So maybe stop pooling all those warrior points into bastion and maybe pool some into LA expert and maybe you wont die from 3 or 4 wrecking blow or steel tornado spam.

acw37162

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Tankqull wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

You left out the information that even if someone is tagging you with shield breaker you can streak away and have a morph of streak that eats projectiles.

You also left out that the stamina build who is hitting you with 13 K uppercuts, can't crit your 25 K worth of shields, is improbable to weave a heavy or light into wreking blow as its a channel and you loose empower on the light attack and they burned there entire 30 K stamina pool to chase you down after 4 streaks and you still have magica left to shield up and proc a frag.

I'm not feeling a ton of sympathy for the magica sorcs they are one of the most tanky, hardest hitting, and most mobile classes in the game.

Your only hard counter is one set of gear not everyone has or a Zerg catching you low on magica.

aehm BoL only protects from projectiles using mana to be fired... (+ overload)

Shield breaker procs from light AND heavy attacks and you are not facing a 25k shield only a 9-11k in 99% of the cases.

burned your stamina? after 4 streaks? i did not spend any stamina while chasing a streaking sorc as any gap closer costs me less than my stam reg provides...

that is at least true...

every stam user not using is is simply a moron - there are way to much shields in pvp willingly or passivly applied by the cp system to not use it as one proc equalized 10 hundings empowered attacks - in average i have had since its implemntation 3 procs per fight make out of it what ever you want...
but insisting it to be subpar set is nothing but purely moronic.

Your right, I didn't try to use gap closer, thanks for the tip.

Solariken

Casts_Many_Storms wrote: »

Templar use radiant ward or sun shield die from shield breaker,

Sorry OP, it's hard to take you seriously when you go around saying things like this. ^ :P

I hear you though, Shieldbreaker was such a lazy band-aid. I hate shieldbreaker, but I hate shield stacking even more. They should have just addressed the actual problem.

Brrrofski

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How about no. I use shield breaker and shield users are still hard to kill cause once they realize there is a shield breaker user they run away or immediately gun down the shield breaker user. Shield breaker is not OP at all an extremely laughably easy to counter cause after all it only work with light and heavy attacks and bow light attacks only go so fast and go so far. Most skills in the game have father range than bow light attacks.

But if you're still against shield breaker and want different options than another one is shields become part of the major/minor were shields from skills are major shields and of course give bigger ones while shields from sets and enchantments are minor shields and not so powerful and like all major/minor skills you can have one major shield and one minor shield on at once.

Honestly, as a Stam build if you have trouble taking out shields your build just ain't good enough.

The irony is, it magica users who needs shield breaker, not stam. The real problem occurs with harness magica stacking with conjured ward. It's real challenge taking out a sorc using both as a magica build.

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

I don't think it should work with a bow. Spamming one button from 20+ metres to get 10k+ damage in 5 seconds. Do people really think that's balance? Melee is fine. There's a risk involved. But you got these people standing at the back of group just spamming one button. It's ridiculous.

Glad I don't feel the need to use a crutch set. I run my stam builds without training wheels. I put time and effort into my build. I worked out stats, gear and solid skill rotations. That kills sorcs fine on my stamblade, stam Dk and stam Sorc.

Or how about that I am a tank and my build is not meant for damage but taking it. I only use it to deal with the unkillable shield stackers that's it every thing else it's HA and taking damage.

This right here is the sad state PvP is in every one assumes that every one else is a shield stacking magicka user or a stamina WB spammer and nothing else.

Well you're a tank. You irrelevant on this meta. Didn't you het the memo?

Sorc are op to you because you can't kill them as a TANK build. For real?

You're not really supposed to kill many people. Especially burst shields. A tank used to kill people by oursustaining the enemy. Soak all their pressure, they 'd run out of resources and then kill them. We all have endless recourse now.

Plus if you use Shield Breaker, you're using 5 medium anyway. Pretty much like my DK. Pve tank, chuck medium armor and agility set on and he's at 3.3k weapon damage in pvp. I gave up "tanking" in pvp a long time. All about out kill or be killed in pvp now.

Brrrofski

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How about no. I use shield breaker and shield users are still hard to kill cause once they realize there is a shield breaker user they run away or immediately gun down the shield breaker user. Shield breaker is not OP at all an extremely laughably easy to counter cause after all it only work with light and heavy attacks and bow light attacks only go so fast and go so far. Most skills in the game have father range than bow light attacks.

But if you're still against shield breaker and want different options than another one is shields become part of the major/minor were shields from skills are major shields and of course give bigger ones while shields from sets and enchantments are minor shields and not so powerful and like all major/minor skills you can have one major shield and one minor shield on at once.

Honestly, as a Stam build if you have trouble taking out shields your build just ain't good enough.

The irony is, it magica users who needs shield breaker, not stam. The real problem occurs with harness magica stacking with conjured ward. It's real challenge taking out a sorc using both as a magica build.

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

I don't think it should work with a bow. Spamming one button from 20+ metres to get 10k+ damage in 5 seconds. Do people really think that's balance? Melee is fine. There's a risk involved. But you got these people standing at the back of group just spamming one button. It's ridiculous.

Glad I don't feel the need to use a crutch set. I run my stam builds without training wheels. I put time and effort into my build. I worked out stats, gear and solid skill rotations. That kills sorcs fine on my stamblade, stam Dk and stam Sorc.

Or how about that I am a tank and my build is not meant for damage but taking it. I only use it to deal with the unkillable shield stackers that's it every thing else it's HA and taking damage.

This right here is the sad state PvP is in every one assumes that every one else is a shield stacking magicka user or a stamina WB spammer and nothing else.

Why do you think it's balanced for your tank to deal decent damage against some builds? Of course players will assume that your build is meant to deal damage when you are telling them you have problems killing a specific kind of build - or would have without that set.

No it's meant to deal with a broken mechanic. I'm not sugar coating it damage shields even with the battle spirit nerf are still over powered and need nerfed. There is no arguing about it. I am a tank yes but in case you didn't notice tank builds are extremely lack luster in PvP due to DKs and Templars being over nerfed over and over again and HA being nearly useless due to lack of resource management and not actually having proper defense against players such as snares and passive crit resistance. So I figured I be some what useful and put on shield breaker when a shield user with there OP shields comes on by. With it I can either get them killed with help of others or cause them to run away because again shield breaker is not OP.

In a nutshell shield stackers are OP and shield breaker can atleast some what make the mortal again so others can kill them instead of how it is now were it takes 7 -15 players to kill one shield stacker and in all honestest I hope damage shields get nerfed next patch.

And before any one says "oh we have no physical resistance for OP stamina META wha wha" there are armor expert skills in the warriors tree of the champion system that increases your LA MA or HA physical resistance. So maybe stop pooling all those warrior points into bastion and maybe pool some into LA expert and maybe you wont die from 3 or 4 wrecking blow or steel tornado spam.

7 players to kill a sorc? Man, join a new guild. You play with bad players. Seriously, if it genuinely takes that many people to take a sorc down they are incredibly bad.

A tank dealing 2k unresistable damage with light atracks. Total balance lol.

I don't have a problem with lack of physical resist. Baring bow, causing physical damage requires more danger than casting. But armor CP onto light and medium is a waste. An increased percentage of a low number is still a low number.

Everyone who has a problem with sorc shield that are stamina builds, roll a sorc and pvp with it. You'll see how easy it is to get killed and how you then kill sorcs. People need to play more than one class and see things from both sides.

Funny thing is most users are stamblades. Honestly, the strongest burst dps on the game should have zero issues killing sorcs. Learn a proper rotation, stop spamming ambush. Sort your gear and CP out as well, you've done it wrong.

Shields are an issue for magica users due to harness magica. Anyone else QQ needs to work on their build.

timmayyyboy

Does shield breaker work for destro light and heavy attacks? Like can a magic user, use this set? Ive never tried it out

Brrrofski

timmayyyboy wrote: »

Does shield breaker work for destro light and heavy attacks? Like can a magic user, use this set? Ive never tried it out

I guess it would. But the 2,3 and 4 bonuses are stam based.

Tankqull

Brrrofski wrote: »

timmayyyboy wrote: »

Does shield breaker work for destro light and heavy attacks? Like can a magic user, use this set? Ive never tried it out

I guess it would. But the 2,3 and 4 bonuses are stam based.

it does and the set is medium so by using it to gather the 2k proc you are losing like 2-6k on your dps as a magica user so its rather useless for those who are truely suffering from shieldstacking...

Brrrofski

Tankqull wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

timmayyyboy wrote: »

Does shield breaker work for destro light and heavy attacks? Like can a magic user, use this set? Ive never tried it out

I guess it would. But the 2,3 and 4 bonuses are stam based.

it does and the set is medium so by using it to gather the 2k proc you are losing like 2-6k on your dps as a magica user so its rather useless for those who are truely suffering from shieldstacking...

Yeh, don't know what zos were thinking when making it

leepalmer95

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How about no. I use shield breaker and shield users are still hard to kill cause once they realize there is a shield breaker user they run away or immediately gun down the shield breaker user. Shield breaker is not OP at all an extremely laughably easy to counter cause after all it only work with light and heavy attacks and bow light attacks only go so fast and go so far. Most skills in the game have father range than bow light attacks.

But if you're still against shield breaker and want different options than another one is shields become part of the major/minor were shields from skills are major shields and of course give bigger ones while shields from sets and enchantments are minor shields and not so powerful and like all major/minor skills you can have one major shield and one minor shield on at once.

Honestly, as a Stam build if you have trouble taking out shields your build just ain't good enough.

The irony is, it magica users who needs shield breaker, not stam. The real problem occurs with harness magica stacking with conjured ward. It's real challenge taking out a sorc using both as a magica build.

I've been killed by shieldbreaker on a Stam nightblade. Dk cast igneous shield near me. I go down in an instant. 5 x shieldbreaker. Really?

I don't think it should work with a bow. Spamming one button from 20+ metres to get 10k+ damage in 5 seconds. Do people really think that's balance? Melee is fine. There's a risk involved. But you got these people standing at the back of group just spamming one button. It's ridiculous.

Glad I don't feel the need to use a crutch set. I run my stam builds without training wheels. I put time and effort into my build. I worked out stats, gear and solid skill rotations. That kills sorcs fine on my stamblade, stam Dk and stam Sorc.

Or how about that I am a tank and my build is not meant for damage but taking it. I only use it to deal with the unkillable shield stackers that's it every thing else it's HA and taking damage.

This right here is the sad state PvP is in every one assumes that every one else is a shield stacking magicka user or a stamina WB spammer and nothing else.

Why do you think it's balanced for your tank to deal decent damage against some builds? Of course players will assume that your build is meant to deal damage when you are telling them you have problems killing a specific kind of build - or would have without that set.

No it's meant to deal with a broken mechanic. I'm not sugar coating it damage shields even with the battle spirit nerf are still over powered and need nerfed. There is no arguing about it. I am a tank yes but in case you didn't notice tank builds are extremely lack luster in PvP due to DKs and Templars being over nerfed over and over again and HA being nearly useless due to lack of resource management and not actually having proper defense against players such as snares and passive crit resistance. So I figured I be some what useful and put on shield breaker when a shield user with there OP shields comes on by. With it I can either get them killed with help of others or cause them to run away because again shield breaker is not OP.

In a nutshell shield stackers are OP and shield breaker can atleast some what make the mortal again so others can kill them instead of how it is now were it takes 7 -15 players to kill one shield stacker and in all honestest I hope damage shields get nerfed next patch.

And before any one says "oh we have no physical resistance for OP stamina META wha wha" there are armor expert skills in the warriors tree of the champion system that increases your LA MA or HA physical resistance. So maybe stop pooling all those warrior points into bastion and maybe pool some into LA expert and maybe you wont die from 3 or 4 wrecking blow or steel tornado spam.

Sorc have 1 shield against stam users, this stacking people keep throwing around is annoying.

If 7-15 players can't kill a sorc they're just bad.

Armour cp is just useless, light armour users are wearing paper increasing it by 10% is still paper, also with shields they don't have any armour value, so again it's useless.

Also wb's can hit easily 8k+ without a crit, i have 35k magicka on my sorc and gives me about 10-11k ward, which is 2 wb and ill lose quite a bit of hp.

Shieldbreaker should never of existed as a set, a set that directly counter a classes only defence... where the cloak set?

AltusVenifus

I don't understand why shields even exist tbh. It is the same thing as giving a class a 10-13k heal since it lasts so long and is spammable... hence most people play a sorc, run at around 17-8k health and have the tankiness of a heavy armor 30k health DK. Both of which I play.

I like the set and wish it had light and heavy versions.

Dalsinthus

AltusVenifus wrote: »

I don't understand why shields even exist tbh. It is the same thing as giving a class a 10-13k heal since it lasts so long and is spammable... hence most people play a sorc, run at around 17-8k health and have the tankiness of a heavy armor 30k health DK. Both of which I play.

I like the set and wish it had light and heavy versions.

This tankiness combined with their high damage and high mobility is the problem. I can understand a build having two of the three, but all three is too much.

Ragnaroek93

ToRelax wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I'm killing sorcerers on my magicka DK (so I have to burst thru Hardened + Harness) and don't even have Proxy det unlocked. Granted, this is not easy, and requires pretty good timing and constant pressure, but it's very doable.

If you need Shield breaker on a stamina build to kill a sorc, you either:
1) Are a tank / Low damage build
2) Are doing something really wrong

...Simply because you have only one shield (Hardened ward) to break to damage your opponent's health.

I don't even know why shield breaker came out for stamina builds, since the issue was the stacking of hardened / harness that made sorcs pretty much unkillable by a single magicka build. No matter how I look at this set, it feels like poor design

One thing is sure, as long as we're in this "DPS / burst only" meta, shields need to be as strong as they currently are (even more for %health based ones), because of how strong stamina burst currently is. Good thing is, a revamp to CPs is coming with, maybe, a physical resistance star or equivalent.

As for the comments saying "it's only sorcs", my mag DK haz a resto staff saying "healing ward" on it, so, no, it's not just sorcs.

"Shield spamming is the issue", no, infinite resources that allow infinite shield spamming is the issue.

^ This person got it right.

I'll just call out some of the "arguments" being made in this thread.

"I don't manage to kill magicka Sorcs without Shieldbreaker, so Shieldbreaker must be balanced"
- Or you're just a bad player.

"It's only really effecting magicka Sorcs, who are OP anyway"
- Even if they were, magicka DKs and NBs have some serious problems with Shieldbreaker. DKs don't have such a good heal as Templars and aren't very mobile, while their shield mostly gives stamina back and buffs healing, but lasts for the full 20 sec unless broken. NBs usually use some HoTs and use Healing Ward to protect them. Doesn't work against Shieldbreaker, especially since it can be stacked with detect pots.

"NBs don't complain about detect pots either, so why do you about Shieldbreaker?"
- I don't like detect pots very much, would rather have them work only for the user, instead of making invisible enemies visible for everyone. Ever heard of "ad hominem"? Since you just lost your point, it must be a fallacy.

"Shieldbreaker isn't really an issue 1v1"
- That's why it's banned from future Arena tournaments after trying it once...

"Even with Shieldbreaker it's not that easy to kill a shield user before he bursts you down"
- If he can just burst you down, and even in the few seconds he has - if he tries to attack instead of run, he will die if he fails that burst - you really are a bad player.

"It's not that much of a problem atm, since I don't see that many players using it currently"
- Not only does that not mean it's not a problem, the use of Shieldbreaker has been both lower and higher at times since it's introduction.


At last, I would also like to say that a "only one shield may be applied at any time"-rule is a horrible idea, just like the buff system we currently have. It makes many smaller shields utterly worthless, forces a rebalance of large parts of the system (as if there was balance in the first place) and takes out build diversity. That last point was actually used the other way around to justify the buff system. May I ask you then: Is it more of a fair tradeoff to spend a second skill slot on an additional, less crucial shield, or to use said shield in place of the one that is really needed?

Yeah Sorcs have a hard life Sorcs need more love! We should give them a nuke that kills everyone in Cyrodiil.

To be serious: Every critbuild is destroyed by your stupid class mechanic (stacking shields) and you really complain about ONE *** SET that is supposed to counter you? Ask all the people who are running critbuilds how balanced sorc shields are

Half of your arguments are "you are just bad hurr durr". Go and play a stamina build and show us how you wreck all dat underpowered sorcs. You should change your signature from "I have no more hope for this game. The combat team is too incompetent." to "The higher the monkey climbs on a pole, the more you can see his butt".

thelordoffelines

Just want to remind everyone that hardened ward (pretty much sorcs only defense) is not nearly as good as vigor+rally+shuffle+roll dodge+armor. The people who say hardened ward is still overpowered are ridiculous it recieved a huge nerf IC patch were damage did not recieve any netf at all with that patch.

RAGUNAnoOne

avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »

The shield breaker and shield stacking fix is simple.
Make shields crit-able and let shield breaker guarantee 100% crit chance on shields instead of hitting the life directly.

Then I want to have a chance to put up a critical (50+% better) shield in exchange so it won't be a total nerf.

ToRelax

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I'm killing sorcerers on my magicka DK (so I have to burst thru Hardened + Harness) and don't even have Proxy det unlocked. Granted, this is not easy, and requires pretty good timing and constant pressure, but it's very doable.

If you need Shield breaker on a stamina build to kill a sorc, you either:
1) Are a tank / Low damage build
2) Are doing something really wrong

...Simply because you have only one shield (Hardened ward) to break to damage your opponent's health.

I don't even know why shield breaker came out for stamina builds, since the issue was the stacking of hardened / harness that made sorcs pretty much unkillable by a single magicka build. No matter how I look at this set, it feels like poor design

One thing is sure, as long as we're in this "DPS / burst only" meta, shields need to be as strong as they currently are (even more for %health based ones), because of how strong stamina burst currently is. Good thing is, a revamp to CPs is coming with, maybe, a physical resistance star or equivalent.

As for the comments saying "it's only sorcs", my mag DK haz a resto staff saying "healing ward" on it, so, no, it's not just sorcs.

"Shield spamming is the issue", no, infinite resources that allow infinite shield spamming is the issue.

^ This person got it right.

I'll just call out some of the "arguments" being made in this thread.

"I don't manage to kill magicka Sorcs without Shieldbreaker, so Shieldbreaker must be balanced"
- Or you're just a bad player.

"It's only really effecting magicka Sorcs, who are OP anyway"
- Even if they were, magicka DKs and NBs have some serious problems with Shieldbreaker. DKs don't have such a good heal as Templars and aren't very mobile, while their shield mostly gives stamina back and buffs healing, but lasts for the full 20 sec unless broken. NBs usually use some HoTs and use Healing Ward to protect them. Doesn't work against Shieldbreaker, especially since it can be stacked with detect pots.

"NBs don't complain about detect pots either, so why do you about Shieldbreaker?"
- I don't like detect pots very much, would rather have them work only for the user, instead of making invisible enemies visible for everyone. Ever heard of "ad hominem"? Since you just lost your point, it must be a fallacy.

"Shieldbreaker isn't really an issue 1v1"
- That's why it's banned from future Arena tournaments after trying it once...

"Even with Shieldbreaker it's not that easy to kill a shield user before he bursts you down"
- If he can just burst you down, and even in the few seconds he has - if he tries to attack instead of run, he will die if he fails that burst - you really are a bad player.

"It's not that much of a problem atm, since I don't see that many players using it currently"
- Not only does that not mean it's not a problem, the use of Shieldbreaker has been both lower and higher at times since it's introduction.


At last, I would also like to say that a "only one shield may be applied at any time"-rule is a horrible idea, just like the buff system we currently have. It makes many smaller shields utterly worthless, forces a rebalance of large parts of the system (as if there was balance in the first place) and takes out build diversity. That last point was actually used the other way around to justify the buff system. May I ask you then: Is it more of a fair tradeoff to spend a second skill slot on an additional, less crucial shield, or to use said shield in place of the one that is really needed?

Yeah Sorcs have a hard life Sorcs need more love! We should give them a nuke that kills everyone in Cyrodiil.

To be serious: Every critbuild is destroyed by your stupid class mechanic (stacking shields) and you really complain about ONE *** SET that is supposed to counter you? Ask all the people who are running critbuilds how balanced sorc shields are

Half of your arguments are "you are just bad hurr durr". Go and play a stamina build and show us how you wreck all dat underpowered sorcs. You should change your signature from "I have no more hope for this game. The combat team is too incompetent." to "The higher the monkey climbs on a pole, the more you can see his butt".

I already tried all classes on PTS duels and I have all but Templar on v16. I would win against the large majority of players with about any build, don't have to proove anyhting anymore.
I have given solutions to balance shield stacking on this forum, as well as shieldbreaker. It would appear you just got butthurt over my post, since you try to construct another ad hominem fallacy than to dispute my arguments.