To all the nerf cloak threads, I as a nightblade will agree

Barlthump

Hello forum goers,

So with the influx of nerf cloak threads, I say i agree! But lets look at cloak, its a skill that can easily be countered. So heres what i suggest, make cloak a reliable escape skill, REMOVE the red dust animation and let it teleport you a few meters away, so at least it can only be used defensively.

Tryxus

And as a MagBlade, how are you gonna sneak up to someone to stun with Concealed?

Docmandu

Barlthump wrote: »

Hello forum goers,

So with the influx of nerf cloak threads, I say i agree! But lets look at cloak, its a skill that can easily be countered. So heres what i suggest, make cloak a reliable escape skill, REMOVE the red dust animation and let it teleport you a few meters away, so at least it can only be used defensively.

So you want Bolt Escape that stealths you in the process... mmkay...

SmokeXF

Don't nerf cloak nerf the abilities that you use coming out of cloak that hit for 10k and can be spammed CONSTANLY

Xeniph

Nerf people that don't know how to gear or counter properly.

These people are getting out of hand! Seriously, you know something is OP when everyone is doing it.

Barlthump

Tryxus wrote: »

And as a MagBlade, how are you gonna sneak up to someone to stun with Concealed?

Honestly speaking, that's the issue with Cloak right now, MagBlades spam cloak and use the concealed weapon buff too much, with my idea, you only get to do it once during a fight, no more spamming it forever.

Docmandu wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

Hello forum goers,

So with the influx of nerf cloak threads, I say i agree! But lets look at cloak, its a skill that can easily be countered. So heres what i suggest, make cloak a reliable escape skill, REMOVE the red dust animation and let it teleport you a few meters away, so at least it can only be used defensively.

So you want Bolt Escape that stealths you in the process... mmkay...

Please read the whole thing, I'm talking about a proper rebalance of the skill, yes it works like bolt escape but it doesn't add a stun, this will pull nightblades off the high horse of spamming cloak and leave them with one offensive cloak and the rest for defensive. And yes the stealth is needed cause we don't have strong shields or any string self heals. So when the nerfs come, people won't come on the forums and QQ that Cloak is weak and unreliable as an escape skill. It's a win win, it removes the reset button when combined with nerfs to cloak and keeps it as a reliable escape skill.

Alucardo

Docmandu wrote: »

So you want Bolt Escape that stealths you in the process... mmkay...

It should also grant major brutality, empowerment on your next attack and surround you in shadow blades dealing insane amounts of AoE damage for 15 seconds.
There, balance.

Alucardo

Cloak is annoying as hell, yes, but people have learnt now how to counter it. So just leave it alone.

Sincerely,
Not a Nightblade.

Barlthump

Alucardo wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

So you want Bolt Escape that stealths you in the process... mmkay...

It should also grant major brutality, empowerment on your next attack and surround you in shadow blades dealing insane amounts of AoE damage for 15 seconds.
There, balance.

And look at that another non constructive sarcastic remark which serves no point at all. No surprise here.

technohic

Everything I see that needs nerfing seems to stem from when the champion system came and stat caps were removed. Think it all es here and applies to the sorc whining and the unique reuse increased cost on only certain abilies is limited.

Alucardo

Barlthump wrote: »

And look at that another non constructive sarcastic remark which serves no point at all. No surprise here.

I followed up with a more serious one. Enjoy.

Barlthump

Alucardo wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

And look at that another non constructive sarcastic remark which serves no point at all. No surprise here.

I followed up with a more serious one. Enjoy.

Thank you good sir, but still cloak is a problem, we all have to come to terms with it, but instead of just calling for the nerfbat it's better for suggestions, saying people can counter them have no place in the forums, it can have a counter but people won't adapt. So it's a skill that WILL BE nerfed. What I fear is that once it's nerfed, me as a nightblade will not have a reliable(not like the one now is) escape skill.

Now to the rest, always keep your eyes peeled when adventuring, when a nightblade casts cloak you will be able to see the red smoke that originates at the location he casted it so you can tell if there is a Nightblade in your field of vision, unless he is behind you (which means he already has a better position then you before you saw him). I've killed so many counterparts of mine just by being observant. The red smoke and that beautiful sound when you cloak gives a nightblade away. So keep your eyes and ears ever ready to catch em. And if you refuse to do this, please get out of pvp as fast as you can, you have no place here.

davey1107

People hate cloak because it's being used ENTIRELY AS DESIGNED. Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them, but if not, they sneak in and BAM, you're toast. If they can't zoom and and kill you quickly, they're no longer sneakthief assassins.

People who are upset about the cloaking are upset, but they aren't adapting. I have a Nighblade. If you want to avoid getting wailed on:

1. Stop riding your horse down the totally predictable path to the battle. This represents about 50% of my kills and 99.9% of the dark cloak pissiness, lol.

2. Stop walking around a battle zone out of sneak. People get soooooo mad about cloak, but how many of my kills are players walking around outside of sneak because they don't want to cope with the penalties of sneaking? Many, many, many kills.

3. You're vulnerable because you've all read the same guides and all put on the same equipment, giving up defense for offense. If you're a DK or Templar and you're getting killed by NBs frequently, you're not geared well. If you're a NB, you're not good at counter-hiding and need to work on it. And if you're a Sorc, there's no hope for you - Sorcs are magic-addicted yahoos doomed to die early and horribly, and our prayers are with you. (Ha, jk, a sorc should be able to wage an epic battle against a NB).

4. The nightblade is likely to either kill you or get away. Sorry...facts of life. It doesn't mean cloak is OP, it means you're a bad hunter.

5. Accept that you're angry because you are being killed in unpredictable, annoying ways. Life's not fair and this is war...deal. You get ganked...we all hate it...respawn and get back into battle (review #1 first, though).

6. And accept that what you're upset about is that Nightblades aren't all running around with the Zerg taking sejanus/Nickle in an endless boring Zerg. You love them because otherwise PVP would be utterly routine and boring...admit it.

Barlthump

davey1107 wrote: »

People hate cloak because it's being used ENTIRELY AS DESIGNED. Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them, but if not, they sneak in and BAM, you're toast. If they can't zoom and and kill you quickly, they're no longer sneakthief assassins.

People who are upset about the cloaking are upset, but they aren't adapting. I have a Nighblade. If you want to avoid getting wailed on:

1. Stop riding your horse down the totally predictable path to the battle. This represents about 50% of my kills and 99.9% of the dark cloak pissiness, lol.

2. Stop walking around a battle zone out of sneak. People get soooooo mad about cloak, but how many of my kills are players walking around outside of sneak because they don't want to cope with the penalties of sneaking? Many, many, many kills.

3. You're vulnerable because you've all read the same guides and all put on the same equipment, giving up defense for offense. If you're a DK or Templar and you're getting killed by NBs frequently, you're not geared well. If you're a NB, you're not good at counter-hiding and need to work on it. And if you're a Sorc, there's no hope for you - Sorcs are magic-addicted yahoos doomed to die early and horribly, and our prayers are with you. (Ha, jk, a sorc should be able to wage an epic battle against a NB).

4. The nightblade is likely to either kill you or get away. Sorry...facts of life. It doesn't mean cloak is OP, it means you're a bad hunter.

5. Accept that you're angry because you are being killed in unpredictable, annoying ways. Life's not fair and this is war...deal. You get ganked...we all hate it...respawn and get back into battle (review #1 first, though).

6. And accept that what you're upset about is that Nightblades aren't all running around with the Zerg taking sejanus/Nickle in an endless boring Zerg. You love them because otherwise PVP would be utterly routine and boring...admit it.

Haha, entertaining to read, but my friend please don't put these rage-insinuating posts here, I'm actually really trying to get ZOS to not shut this post down and let people really discuss their views on how the incoming nerf can still keep cloak viable. Belive me our nightblades are going to get reworked and whilst I only have one class it would suck if my pvp went down the drain. Just need to keep my NB alive till vr ranks are removed. Then we can all go FOTM, make one magicka and stamina char for each class and we get so much win

Tryxus

Barlthump wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

And as a MagBlade, how are you gonna sneak up to someone to stun with Concealed?

Honestly speaking, that's the issue with Cloak right now, MagBlades spam cloak and use the concealed weapon buff too much, with my idea, you only get to do it once during a fight, no more spamming it forever.

Not what I was talking about

What I'm talking about it is a MagBlade that's trying to sneak up on someone, use Concealed for the stun and then attack to give themselves a head start.

But you can't sneak up on someone with a teleport. In other words: you're taking a MagBlades opening setup away!

And as I keep telling everyone here, Cloak is a must for a MagBlade since we don't wear Medium Armor for the sneak buff and we have to get in melee range for the Concealed Weapon.

At the most, Cloak should have Reduced (not 0%) Magicka Regen while the Cloak is active. Or let's undo the nerfs to Streak instead so that the 2 DPS Classes both have worthy escape maneuvers.

Forestd16b14_ESO

SmokeXF wrote: »

Don't nerf cloak nerf the abilities that you use coming out of cloak that hit for 10k and can be spammed CONSTANLY

Sorry but cloak needs nerfed. Removes what 2 negative effects, cancels single target attacks, with shadow walker a NB can regain all there health and stamina in 2 or 3 seconds and AOEs are useless case a NB can just take 1 roll tot eh left or right and be out of it.

How any one finds that not OP is pro cloak.

Alucardo

davey1107 wrote: »

People hate cloak because it's being used ENTIRELY AS DESIGNED. Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them, but if not, they sneak in and BAM, you're toast. If they can't zoom and and kill you quickly, they're no longer sneakthief assassins.

I actually hate it for two reasons

- They disappear as soon as they realise they won't be able to kill me, depriving me of the satisfaction of killing them
- It not only gives them instant stealth, but purges my DKs DoTs, a main source of my damage.

bardx86

Cloak should not be an escape for a damage spells that was cast prior to cloaking, other than that I think cloak is fine.

olsborg

Cloak can be countered all too easy with the right knowledge of how. If they nerf cloak in current meta, the sky will fall down:)

davey1107

Sorry, not trying to get the post banned, but Tamriel is a dangerous place and we all need a little more humor.

Belive me our nightblades are going to get reworked

Putting aside any wit for the moment, how would you like NBs to be reworked? In my opinion, one reason they're popular and fun is because you can create multiple builds with them for completely different play styles. (Yes, PVP-ers rely too much on the build du jour, but that's not Zos's fault). I have a speed sneak assassin...my friend has a very deadly magika NB. They're also good as a 2h killing machine. Or a snipe on wall defense force. Nightblades are a bit in the middle of most skill sets, making them versatile, meaning there are a lot of them, meaning they murder a lot of players and perpetuate the whining about them.

One major challenge to a nerfing of NBs is that their most annoying attacks / spams aren't really class abilities. Yes, dark cloak sets off the whole chain reaction, but what makes them deadly are skills like wrecking blow, which is available to any class. I murder freely with the dual wield hidden blade spam. But if you nerf WB, that's a skill DKs and Templars rely on.

A second challenge is that any nerf is easily worked around...gank with more Nightblades. I sat on the bridge with six last night...few reds in groups less than five survived. We weren't even using cloak, and the strategy wasn't some magical insight - we just wait for player after player after player to takes the exact same path in plain sight. If they went into sneak over the hill they'd have made it. If you want to nerf Nightblades, give the other classes a skill that makes their players less lazy.

And regardless, right now they're the only class that isn't prone to playing exactly the same as everyone else. The other three classes run in the stupid pack. ZOS needs to add skills/incentives that get others to expand their play styles more than they need to force Nightblades to play like everyone else.

Tryxus

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but cloak needs nerfed.

Sorry, but it doesn't Cuz if it does, the same thing that happened to the DK is gonna happen all over again: Stam builds get weakened, and the Mag builds become all but useless.

There's plenty of counters to Cloak, and the Cloak itself is a necessity for MagBlades. Nerfing it is taking away the Magicka build options of the class and further the class imbalance we currently suffer from.

Alucardo wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

People hate cloak because it's being used ENTIRELY AS DESIGNED. Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them, but if not, they sneak in and BAM, you're toast. If they can't zoom and and kill you quickly, they're no longer sneakthief assassins.

I actually hate it for two reasons

- They disappear as soon as they realise they won't be able to kill me, depriving me of the satisfaction of killing them
- It not only gives them instant stealth, but purges my DKs DoTs, a main source of my damage.

- Point of being an assassin: disappear back into the shadows
- I think that's a bit of a bad design choice on part of ZOS to make a class' DPS dependent on a certain type of attack. In this case DoT. Personally, I feel that several Ardent Flame skills need to be reworked so they do plenty of damage while not being DoT based. Maybe just keep Burning Breath as a DoT, but turn Searing Strike into a Curse for example. I dunno, haven't touched my DK in a while now

Drakilian

davey1107 wrote: »

Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them

No they're not >.<

This is a widely stated but highly incorrect assumption. Simply consider Piercing Mark, which is the definitive counter to any cloak-spamming nightblade (who doesn't run purge).

Let's say you use Piercing Mark on a stamblade. Does the nightblade roll over and die? Does the piercing mark insta-kill the nightblade for you? Last I checked, when I get piercing marked, i'm still very much alive, still have access to all my heals (vigor and rally are all a stamblade could ever hope for), still have access to the single best defense in the game (dodge roll spam) and a full 20% mitigation granted by blur/double take/shuffle. With Vigor and Rally running, medium armour at the minimum (which gives ~18% mitigation not taking into account armor penetration, which certainly isn't terrible and absolutely not "squishy"), Mass Hysteria to use whenever you're about to be executed (the best use of mass hysteria when fighting defensively is to stun your opponents just before they can kill you so you can use the buggy CC time and subsequent snare to heal yourself), and your incomparable burst damage, you are easily able to wreck not one but several opponents despite the nature of piercing mark making any sort of stealth impossible. Not to mention your immunity to DoTs despite being unable to stealth, because Dark Cloak is kinda ridiculous that way.

For mageblades the effect is more noticeable since they rely much more on stealth for their concealed weapon spam but unlike stamblades, they can actually afford to run purge. Let's assume we're not dealing with the smartest mageblade in the world though. Or let's say they get continuously piercing marked, or that they're dealing with an opponent who has learned that gapcloser+steel tornado spam works almost as well as piercing mark in revealing and killing a cloak spammer. Mageblades have a very high damage ability that heals them for part of the damage dealt and increases healing received. They have a plethora of strong CCs, their primary CC (dat fear) reduces opponent damage, they have access to good shields (healing ward can be all a good mageblade needs), they can be tanky as hell if built for it and have a very powerful AoE attack that heals them based on the number of targets hit (the famed sap).

What's "Easy to kill if you can find them" about this? If you're not outright better than they are (and likely even if you are) you'll get f***** up by a good nightblade, cloak or no cloak, stealth or no stealth, because incredible damage, mobility, and some good self-heals make you tough as f***, no matter what your class.

Now what pisses people off isn't that nightblades can go into stealth so easy. That's fine. I don't mind that myself. Cloak works really well, honestly, it only bugs out when you're being zerged down really, and honestly, you shouldn't beat a zerg. What pisses people off is that on topof all of this total wreckage, nightblades also have the ability to run away any time they want, pass NPC aggro onto them like coal on christmas (IC), and go into stealth and regen their resources while their opponents are forced to block and wait and not regen stam (or risk a WB or Concealed Weapon from stealth, which usually spells the end of a match, or at the very least puts you in a bad place).

found1779

I say nerf cloak nerf DKS and nerf sorcerer shield stacking and nerf Templars healing nerf wrecking blow the game would be 100% better

bardx86

Drakilian wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them

No they're not >.<

This is a widely stated but highly incorrect assumption. Simply consider Piercing Mark, which is the definitive counter to any cloak-spamming nightblade (who doesn't run purge).

Let's say you use Piercing Mark on a stamblade. Does the nightblade roll over and die? Does the piercing mark insta-kill the nightblade for you? Last I checked, when I get piercing marked, i'm still very much alive, still have access to all my heals (vigor and rally are all a stamblade could ever hope for), still have access to the single best defense in the game (dodge roll spam) and a full 20% mitigation granted by blur/double take/shuffle. With Vigor and Rally running, medium armour at the minimum (which gives ~18% mitigation not taking into account armor penetration, which certainly isn't terrible and absolutely not "squishy"), Mass Hysteria to use whenever you're about to be executed (the best use of mass hysteria when fighting defensively is to stun your opponents just before they can kill you so you can use the buggy CC time and subsequent snare to heal yourself), and your incomparable burst damage, you are easily able to wreck not one but several opponents despite the nature of piercing mark making any sort of stealth impossible. Not to mention your immunity to DoTs despite being unable to stealth, because Dark Cloak is kinda ridiculous that way.

For mageblades the effect is more noticeable since they rely much more on stealth for their concealed weapon spam but unlike stamblades, they can actually afford to run purge. Let's assume we're not dealing with the smartest mageblade in the world though. Or let's say they get continuously piercing marked, or that they're dealing with an opponent who has learned that gapcloser+steel tornado spam works almost as well as piercing mark in revealing and killing a cloak spammer. Mageblades have a very high damage ability that heals them for part of the damage dealt and increases healing received. They have a plethora of strong CCs, their primary CC (dat fear) reduces opponent damage, they have access to good shields (healing ward can be all a good mageblade needs), they can be tanky as hell if built for it and have a very powerful AoE attack that heals them based on the number of targets hit (the famed sap).

What's "Easy to kill if you can find them" about this? If you're not outright better than they are (and likely even if you are) you'll get f***** up by a good nightblade, cloak or no cloak, stealth or no stealth, because incredible damage, mobility, and some good self-heals make you tough as f***, no matter what your class.

Now what pisses people off isn't that nightblades can go into stealth so easy. That's fine. I don't mind that myself. Cloak works really well, honestly, it only bugs out when you're being zerged down really, and honestly, you shouldn't beat a zerg. What pisses people off is that on topof all of this total wreckage, nightblades also have the ability to run away any time they want, pass NPC aggro onto them like coal on christmas (IC), and go into stealth and regen their resources while their opponents are forced to block and wait and not regen stam (or risk a WB or Concealed Weapon from stealth, which usually spells the end of a match, or at the very least puts you in a bad place).

Finally someone speaks the truth. NB's with vigor are very difficult to kill even without cloak.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Tryxus wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but cloak needs nerfed.

Sorry, but it doesn't Cuz if it does, the same thing that happened to the DK is gonna happen all over again: Stam builds get weakened, and the Mag builds become all but useless.

There's plenty of counters to Cloak, and the Cloak itself is a necessity for MagBlades. Nerfing it is taking away the Magicka build options of the class and further the class imbalance we currently suffer from.

Alucardo wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

People hate cloak because it's being used ENTIRELY AS DESIGNED. Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them, but if not, they sneak in and BAM, you're toast. If they can't zoom and and kill you quickly, they're no longer sneakthief assassins.

I actually hate it for two reasons

- They disappear as soon as they realise they won't be able to kill me, depriving me of the satisfaction of killing them
- It not only gives them instant stealth, but purges my DKs DoTs, a main source of my damage.

- Point of being an assassin: disappear back into the shadows
- I think that's a bit of a bad design choice on part of ZOS to make a class' DPS dependent on a certain type of attack. In this case DoT. Personally, I feel that several Ardent Flame skills need to be reworked so they do plenty of damage while not being DoT based. Maybe just keep Burning Breath as a DoT, but turn Searing Strike into a Curse for example. I dunno, haven't touched my DK in a while now

Again sorry but NB have other ways of fleeing and all the counters to cloak are nearly useless cause of NB crying. Detect potions only work as soon as they vanish due to the rang being totally nerfed cause of NB crying. AOEs are useless cause the biggest one is like 7 meters wide (arrow barrage) and again a NB just has to take a roll to the left or right and there out of it. The only useful counter as you NBs are so love to complain about is flares from the support line and even then it's iffy cause again that's if they even hit when it works.

NBs and cloak need nerfed. Nerfing cloak would ruin magicka NBs ? Well they said no stamina regen will ruin tanks yet look still plenty of tanks left. Nerfing DKs dragon fire scales would make them useless ? Plenty of DKs still able to reflect your meteors back at you. All this talk about nerfing NBs will make them useless is straight up silly and players over reacting Jus cause a skill gets balanced to not be some "I win" button doesn't make it weak or useless. You jsut have to adapte and deal wit it such as all other forms of MMOs.

BuggeX

Xeniph wrote: »

Nerf people that don't know how to gear or counter properly.

These people are getting out of hand! Seriously, you know something is OP when everyone is doing it.

yea gear... even with 30k armor you will be wrecked by 8k snips.... make sens

Tryxus

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but cloak needs nerfed.

Sorry, but it doesn't Cuz if it does, the same thing that happened to the DK is gonna happen all over again: Stam builds get weakened, and the Mag builds become all but useless.

There's plenty of counters to Cloak, and the Cloak itself is a necessity for MagBlades. Nerfing it is taking away the Magicka build options of the class and further the class imbalance we currently suffer from.

Alucardo wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

People hate cloak because it's being used ENTIRELY AS DESIGNED. Nightblades are assassins - they're easy to kill if you can find them, but if not, they sneak in and BAM, you're toast. If they can't zoom and and kill you quickly, they're no longer sneakthief assassins.

I actually hate it for two reasons

- They disappear as soon as they realise they won't be able to kill me, depriving me of the satisfaction of killing them
- It not only gives them instant stealth, but purges my DKs DoTs, a main source of my damage.

- Point of being an assassin: disappear back into the shadows
- I think that's a bit of a bad design choice on part of ZOS to make a class' DPS dependent on a certain type of attack. In this case DoT. Personally, I feel that several Ardent Flame skills need to be reworked so they do plenty of damage while not being DoT based. Maybe just keep Burning Breath as a DoT, but turn Searing Strike into a Curse for example. I dunno, haven't touched my DK in a while now

Again sorry but NB have other ways of fleeing and all the counters to cloak are nearly useless cause of NB crying. Detect potions only work as soon as they vanish due to the rang being totally nerfed cause of NB crying. AOEs are useless cause the biggest one is like 7 meters wide (arrow barrage) and again a NB just has to take a roll to the left or right and there out of it. The only useful counter as you NBs are so love to complain about is flares from the support line and even then it's iffy cause again that's if they even hit when it works.

NBs and cloak need nerfed. Nerfing cloak would ruin magicka NBs ? Well they said no stamina regen will ruin tanks yet look still plenty of tanks left. Nerfing DKs dragon fire scales would make them useless ? Plenty of DKs still able to reflect your meteors back at you. All this talk about nerfing NBs will make them useless is straight up silly and players over reacting Jus cause a skill gets balanced to not be some "I win" button doesn't make it weak or useless. You jsut have to adapte and deal wit it such as all other forms of MMOs.

We have other ways of fleeing? Enlightenment on that: how can we flee if Cloak doesn't work?

Counters to Cloak? Several more than the ones you named, and those you named are still very much viable. I've been taken down several times when trying to gank siegers while invisible, only to get marked by someone who used a Detect Pot. AoE's are effective against StamBlades, who can't keep Cloaking. And then there's Caltrops, Flare, Streak, Shards,... and the list goes on.

And what about Mag DK? When the DK took a hit and got dethroned as the king of PvP, Mag DKs became the weakest builds for PvP. Same is going to happen: you guys get NB nerfed? MagBlades are going to suffer the most from it:
- MagBlades wear Light Armor -> No Sneak buff -> reliant on Cloak for stealth
- Also cuz of Light Armor: Shadow Barrier is much needed to keep up in 1v1. Cloak gives us that
- Concealed is a melee range Attack -> need Cloak to remain in stealth
- MagBlades lose out on stealth passives -> less damage output
- and so on...

I'm not overreacting here: you're actually trying to get ZOS to kill MagBlades. Touching Cloak and MagBlades will suffer alot from it. This isn't about adapting, it's to keep a playstyle viable. And Cloak isn't the major issue with NB atm, there are other more important skills that needed revising (Ambush, Wrecking Blow, etc... for instance)

And again: Cloak and NB don't need nerfing, the other classes need buffing.

AltusVenifus

I don't get it. I use detect pots and it completely kills a mageblade. There isn't a pot to bypass shields or reduce heals... maybe make revealing flare better, but nerfing NB stealth would kill the class IMO. Seems silly to me...

FriedEggSandwich

As a sorc main who doesn't play a NB I don't feel that cloak should be nerfed. I think it's a unique skill that is fairly easy to counter. One detect pot and it's like taking candy from a baby, most of the time, especially in enclosed spaces. Sometimes it's so effective I feel bad for them, they don't even try to fight back, they just run like a wild animal in panic desperate to find a way out. Out in the open it's a bit different; detect pots lose their efficacy, but if they want to run away then I'm fine with that. If they want to come back and fight then that's cool too cos they have to reveal themselves eventually.

Maybe I just encounter bad NBs more than good ones. I will admit I don't know how much of an issue the removing of negative effects is; apart from frags I don't use any skills that can be negated by cloak. Curse still works just fine.

I don't know what kind of nerf cloak is going to receive, but I'm worried that any nerf will break the class and I don't want that to happen cos I enjoy fighting NBs mostly.

Ambush spam on the other hand is one of the most frustrating things I've ever encountered in a video game, and I played cod and bf for years.The mini-stun on gap closers needs to be fixed, or add an increasing cost to gap closers so that spamming them drains your resources, or a minimum range on ambush, or something. I'm so tired of being locked up by ambush spam.

tennant94

There is no way to balance cloak in this game. The issue with it is it makes you invisible, people can't see you. How do you fix that I hear you ask? You can't. Unless you remove the invisibility effect which wouldn't make any sense and the skill wouldn't exist. Buff counters or make counters more readily available is the only solution to it.

leepalmer95

tennant94 wrote: »

There is no way to balance cloak in this game. The issue with it is it makes you invisible, people can't see you. How do you fix that I hear you ask? You can't. Unless you remove the invisibility effect which wouldn't make any sense and the skill wouldn't exist. Buff counters or make counters more readily available is the only solution to it.

Add an increase cost like cloak/stop magicka regen when cloaking etc.