Fix templars (specially stamina) Make us viable in pvp for gods sake !

zornyan

Sypher wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

just a few broke skills I'm sure they'll fix eventually.

Just how long are we supposed to wait though ? Some of the bugs and unusable skills have been in since release and the reviews of the class so far underwhelming to say the least. Templar is in a worse state now than at release.

Yeah I know what you're saying. I wouldn't let it put you off if it's the class you wanna play though. For me Templar is my favourite class, I won't play anything else as my main. I can deal with the broke stuff, I've pretty much got used to that since every update brings a different buggy skill but it doesn't stop me from capping resources of keeps solo and sometimes defended. People have said "you play Templar really well" and that maybe is because I stuck with it since release.

Ok so I don't make it sound that great but they are so rewarding, when you've killed an entire group and took a resource at the same time on a class that is considered underpowered. If I can do it, you sure as hell can! People like Sypher, regarded as the best PvP'er out there won't touch the class because of what he hears from other players but I bet if he did, he would wipe the map after a little "getting to know each other".

If anyone needs tips for PvP there are 2 really good streamers out there, Benzy Boi(Magicka) and JackDaniell (stamina). Follow them on Twitch and you'll learn a lot. Other than that, PM me, I give you some help making a solid, well rounded PvP build.

Actually sypher is doing a templar now, he made one on PTS and loved it, had a few videos of him wrecking 1vx, obviously he is a skilled player, but it shows in the right hands the class is very viable.

I like templar, I just hate grinding

I agree , I'm on my 8th character slot now. Need to finish off a few VRS though, I actually don't mind questing, I just HATE silver as its AD and the map layouts/story drive me insane.

Jura23

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

Van_0S

Do you think zeni ever listens for a templar fix/buff/bug?

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

As a magicka templar I really love the damage on the skill on npcs I had up to 16k crits on npcs in IC but sadly its so buggy

cazlonb16_ESO

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I wouldn't let it put you off if it's the class you wanna play though.

Since ditching a DK late in beta for being way too cheesy my main character has been an Argonian non-healbot Templar, so I'm not exactly easily discouraged. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't get your hopes up. There have been multiple page threads detailing in a constructive manner what is wrong with the class and specific skills, ZOS' reaction has been "stfu and deal with it" basically.

zornyan

I just want them to fix the jabs bug, it's depressing that anyone can put up a shield and my bread and butter dps skill does near enough 0 damage .

revonine

Stamina morph of BoL? That's crazy. Stamplar would be hands down the best stamina DPS in PvP by sheer survivability.
Why would anyone ever be a magicka templar again after that change? :P

Elara_Northwind

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

I the magicka gap closer too, but I can't use it because of the bug that makes me unable to use any skills, or block, or roll or anything for about 10 seconds, sometimes more I am happy with how toppling charge is, I just wish it didn't bug out for me

zornyan

revonine wrote: »

Stamina morph of BoL? That's crazy. Stamplar would be hands down the best stamina DPS in PvP by sheer survivability.
Why would anyone ever be a magicka templar again after that change? :P

Oh yeah, because it makes perfect sense for nearly 2 entire trees of our skills to be useless as a stamina build, and the fact that other stam builds have ways of healing or increasing healing recieved that we dont.

Like green dragon blood for stam dks, killers blade and mark target for nightblades, crit surge for sorcerers.

See where I'm coming from? The ONLY HEALER CLASS in the entire game has ZERO healing abilities in a stam build.

cazlonb16_ESO

To be fair I use Purifying Ritual in a stamina build. Other than that the synergy is extremely limited and the worst of any class though. Javelin is cool but a minor advantage over WB and Jabs only good for farming in PvE to be frank. Handing out CC immunity on the cheap is a death sentence in the current meta and the bug with shields just icing on the cake.

Edit: Jabs also good for farming bads.

zornyan

It's just bizzare, that a class that is very directed towards healing, has no healing potential as a stam build, infact we have the least healing of any class.

Put it this way

Stam dk, pop igneous which is a cheap magicka dump, along with coagulating blood, then use vigor and rally to heal with large percentage buffs, or just use an ultimate.

Stam nb, use mark target, or killers blade to heal immediately on weak targets, even a deer in cyrodil.

Stam sorc, pop crit surge, go mental, enjoy heals.

Stam templar? Enjoy a full 50% healing reduction, unless you stand in rune focus for 8% buff, enjoy the weakest self healing in the game.

Jura23

Yes, stam templars definitely need to get something since they lose all their healing potential which is not fair.

Level66Charizard

I'm actually thinking my next char will be a templar, just trying to figure out between stam/magicka

cschwingeb14_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

Also as a magicka user base penetration is 6k odd. With around 10k from using 1 champion point apparently.

And 10k penetration is what? 12% or more damage?

Brings that 30% more a bit down. Again stam users may hit a tad harder on a skill for skill basis

It's 5k penetration. The focus rating for extended stats add ons is messed up, and the penetration champ node is broken both for magicka and stamina.

In actuality, dual wield or 2h gives 20% penetration to stam builds with maces, whereas magicka builds get 5%damage, which is already in the tool tip.

The real problem with magicka (in PvP) is the Hardy champ passive. That's 0-15% less damage. Also the fact that DKs, templars and Bretons have a passive that increases spell resist. Plus nirnhoned.

zornyan

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Also as a magicka user base penetration is 6k odd. With around 10k from using 1 champion point apparently.

And 10k penetration is what? 12% or more damage?

Brings that 30% more a bit down. Again stam users may hit a tad harder on a skill for skill basis

It's 5k penetration. The focus rating for extended stats add ons is messed up, and the penetration champ node is broken both for magicka and stamina.

In actuality, dual wield or 2h gives 20% penetration to stam builds with maces, whereas magicka builds get 5%damage, which is already in the tool tip.

The real problem with magicka (in PvP) is the Hardy champ passive. That's 0-15% less damage. Also the fact that DKs, templars and Bretons have a passive that increases spell resist. Plus nirnhoned.

Nirnhoned is completly crap now, on a vr16 shield you get 270 spell resist, only useful for weapona, which isn't any good for a Sam build to use.

20% pen is good against tanks etc , but light armor wearer is not much of a buff against.

SemiD4rkness

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

But some people don't and would like to be able to choose.
1 stam morph and 1 magicka morph, everyone's happy.
Id even add a stam morph off jesus beam.

zornyan

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

But some people don't and would like to be able to choose.
1 stam morph and 1 magicka morph, everyone's happy.
Id even add a stam morph off jesus beam.

Jesus beam might be a tad far imo.

Gap closer yes, everyone uses toppling charge, no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Same with breath of life, get rid of honor the dead for a stam skill.

These 2 simple changes will make them far more viable

Oh and give magicka uses the same as sorcs, instead of our last passive increase weapon damage, let it be both weapon and spell power, since sorcerers get the buff to both why can't we?

Jura23

zornyan wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

But some people don't and would like to be able to choose.
1 stam morph and 1 magicka morph, everyone's happy.
Id even add a stam morph off jesus beam.

Jesus beam might be a tad far imo.

Gap closer yes, everyone uses toppling charge, no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Same with breath of life, get rid of honor the dead for a stam skill.

These 2 simple changes will make them far more viable

Oh and give magicka uses the same as sorcs, instead of our last passive increase weapon damage, let it be both weapon and spell power, since sorcerers get the buff to both why can't we?

I'd prefer if they took a bit longer road than this and add 3rd morphs to all skills (at least class skills), se we don't have to remove anything.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

But some people don't and would like to be able to choose.
1 stam morph and 1 magicka morph, everyone's happy.
Id even add a stam morph off jesus beam.

Jesus beam might be a tad far imo.

Gap closer yes, everyone uses toppling charge, no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Same with breath of life, get rid of honor the dead for a stam skill.

These 2 simple changes will make them far more viable

Oh and give magicka uses the same as sorcs, instead of our last passive increase weapon damage, let it be both weapon and spell power, since sorcerers get the buff to both why can't we?

Because ZOS logic : templars ARE HEALERS, magicka healers, nothing more

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Jura23 wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

But some people don't and would like to be able to choose.
1 stam morph and 1 magicka morph, everyone's happy.
Id even add a stam morph off jesus beam.

Jesus beam might be a tad far imo.

Gap closer yes, everyone uses toppling charge, no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Same with breath of life, get rid of honor the dead for a stam skill.

These 2 simple changes will make them far more viable

Oh and give magicka uses the same as sorcs, instead of our last passive increase weapon damage, let it be both weapon and spell power, since sorcerers get the buff to both why can't we?

I'd prefer if they took a bit longer road than this and add 3rd morphs to all skills (at least class skills), se we don't have to remove anything.

they won't give a third morph ever dude, so we have to find stam/magicka flavor balance between.

Van_0S

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

But some people don't and would like to be able to choose.
1 stam morph and 1 magicka morph, everyone's happy.
Id even add a stam morph off jesus beam.

Jesus beam might be a tad far imo.

Gap closer yes, everyone uses toppling charge, no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Same with breath of life, get rid of honor the dead for a stam skill.

These 2 simple changes will make them far more viable

Oh and give magicka uses the same as sorcs, instead of our last passive increase weapon damage, let it be both weapon and spell power, since sorcerers get the buff to both why can't we?

Because ZOS logic : templars ARE HEALERS

The more I read these threads the more I feel ZoS isn't trying to live up the expectation that they said "PLAY, THE WAY YOU LIKE".

The stamina glitch, finally allow me to play the way I want that means no racism in ESO.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Personally I like the gap closer being magicka and I often use it, so I don't have to waste my stam on glosing the gap. I don't care how much dmg it does, there are other skills for dmg.

But some people don't and would like to be able to choose.
1 stam morph and 1 magicka morph, everyone's happy.
Id even add a stam morph off jesus beam.

Jesus beam might be a tad far imo.

Gap closer yes, everyone uses toppling charge, no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Same with breath of life, get rid of honor the dead for a stam skill.

These 2 simple changes will make them far more viable

Oh and give magicka uses the same as sorcs, instead of our last passive increase weapon damage, let it be both weapon and spell power, since sorcerers get the buff to both why can't we?

Because ZOS logic : templars ARE HEALERS

The more I read these threads the more I feel ZoS isn't trying to live up the expectation that they said "PLAY, THE WAY YOU LIKE".

The stamina glitch, finally allow me to play the way I want that means no racism in ESO.

what is the stam glitch ?

BalticBlues

zornyan wrote: »

everyone uses toppling charge,
no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Just speak for yourself please, not for others.
For PvE, I clearly prefer explosive charge.
I wish there were two setups possible, one for PvP, one for PvE.
Even better it would be, if we could change morphs freely for PvP/PvE at no cost.

dodgehopper_ESO

BalticBlues wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

everyone uses toppling charge,
no one uses explosive charge, get rid of it for a stam morph.

Just speak for yourself please, not for others.
For PvE, I clearly prefer explosive charge.
I wish there were two setups possible, one for PvP, one for PvE.
Even better it would be, if we could change morphs freely for PvP/PvE at no cost.

It would be nice if we could store character builds. I'd pay for that (and have done so) on games like DCUO before.

Stx

Templars to me anyway are fine in PvP, actually they are essential.

Just because you want to build for solo play, doesn't change the fact that you have incredible group utility. That is what the class is.

Yes, Stamplars have less self healing than other classes, but you can also cleanse yourself and your team in a large area, which is one of the best skills in the game for group pvp. Both morphs of restoring aura are incredible. Spear shards is incredible for group stamina recovery and regen.

The only thing I agree with is that stamina templars could use at least one healing morph to be stamina based, I don;t see that causing any issues, as long as its not breath of life...

SemiD4rkness

Stx wrote: »

Templars to me anyway are fine in PvP, actually they are essential.

Just because you want to build for solo play, doesn't change the fact that you have incredible group utility. That is what the class is.

Yes, Stamplars have less self healing than other classes, but you can also cleanse yourself and your team in a large area, which is one of the best skills in the game for group pvp. Both morphs of restoring aura are incredible. Spear shards is incredible for group stamina recovery and regen.

The only thing I agree with is that stamina templars could use at least one healing morph to be stamina based, I don;t see that causing any issues, as long as its not breath of life...

why not bol?
Id like even more if passives didn't only affect class skills. Would love a nice bonus for my rally/vigor

Springt-Über-Zwerge

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

Templars to me anyway are fine in PvP, actually they are essential.

Just because you want to build for solo play, doesn't change the fact that you have incredible group utility. That is what the class is.

Yes, Stamplars have less self healing than other classes, but you can also cleanse yourself and your team in a large area, which is one of the best skills in the game for group pvp. Both morphs of restoring aura are incredible. Spear shards is incredible for group stamina recovery and regen.

The only thing I agree with is that stamina templars could use at least one healing morph to be stamina based, I don;t see that causing any issues, as long as its not breath of life...

why not bol?
Id like even more if passives didn't only affect class skills. Would love a nice bonus for my rally/vigor

cause then most of the magicka templars (me included) would say bye bye eso

zornyan

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

Templars to me anyway are fine in PvP, actually they are essential.

Just because you want to build for solo play, doesn't change the fact that you have incredible group utility. That is what the class is.

Yes, Stamplars have less self healing than other classes, but you can also cleanse yourself and your team in a large area, which is one of the best skills in the game for group pvp. Both morphs of restoring aura are incredible. Spear shards is incredible for group stamina recovery and regen.

The only thing I agree with is that stamina templars could use at least one healing morph to be stamina based, I don;t see that causing any issues, as long as its not breath of life...

why not bol?
Id like even more if passives didn't only affect class skills. Would love a nice bonus for my rally/vigor

cause then most of the magicka templars (me included) would say bye bye eso

I don't get it, why?

Magicks templars have superior damage, and endgame dps, even alcast was discussing how blabafat was hitting harder than him.

So

Stamina templar has.

Jabs, and javelin, low-average dps endgame, worse off in pvp than any other class due to no mobility and no burst and no healing buff.

Magicka templar has

Healing
More damage
Far larger selection of skills to you
More heals
Passives geared more towards magicka,
And heals.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

Templars to me anyway are fine in PvP, actually they are essential.

Just because you want to build for solo play, doesn't change the fact that you have incredible group utility. That is what the class is.

Yes, Stamplars have less self healing than other classes, but you can also cleanse yourself and your team in a large area, which is one of the best skills in the game for group pvp. Both morphs of restoring aura are incredible. Spear shards is incredible for group stamina recovery and regen.

The only thing I agree with is that stamina templars could use at least one healing morph to be stamina based, I don;t see that causing any issues, as long as its not breath of life...

why not bol?
Id like even more if passives didn't only affect class skills. Would love a nice bonus for my rally/vigor

cause then most of the magicka templars (me included) would say bye bye eso

I don't get it, why?

Magicks templars have superior damage, and endgame dps, even alcast was discussing how blabafat was hitting harder than him.

So

Stamina templar has.

Jabs, and javelin, low-average dps endgame, worse off in pvp than any other class due to no mobility and no burst and no healing buff.

Magicka templar has

Healing
More damage
Far larger selection of skills to you
More heals
Passives geared more towards magicka,
And heals.

Because BOL is THE morph for Healers?!
You can have honor the dead but not BOL

Idk I always thought stamplars had superior dps to magicka Templars. I too saw the discussion but they didnt know why he was hitting harder.
Most likely due to boss resistances which affects the dps in that specific fight but you cant say magicka templars have more dps cause of that.

Magicka classes have more skills because there are more stamina weapons you can choose from and as a stamina class you need a magicka dump but as a magicka class you already have your stamina dump with block, cc break, sprint and sneak

Where are the passives more geared to magicka? Last time I checked the balanced warrior was giving 6% weapon damage and not 6% spelldamage

I know stamina Templars are in no good place but thats the case for Templars in general. So you cant put Stamina Templars in a better place by ruining Magicka Templars...

zornyan

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

Templars to me anyway are fine in PvP, actually they are essential.

Just because you want to build for solo play, doesn't change the fact that you have incredible group utility. That is what the class is.

Yes, Stamplars have less self healing than other classes, but you can also cleanse yourself and your team in a large area, which is one of the best skills in the game for group pvp. Both morphs of restoring aura are incredible. Spear shards is incredible for group stamina recovery and regen.

The only thing I agree with is that stamina templars could use at least one healing morph to be stamina based, I don;t see that causing any issues, as long as its not breath of life...

why not bol?
Id like even more if passives didn't only affect class skills. Would love a nice bonus for my rally/vigor

cause then most of the magicka templars (me included) would say bye bye eso

I don't get it, why?

Magicks templars have superior damage, and endgame dps, even alcast was discussing how blabafat was hitting harder than him.

So

Stamina templar has.

Jabs, and javelin, low-average dps endgame, worse off in pvp than any other class due to no mobility and no burst and no healing buff.

Magicka templar has

Healing
More damage
Far larger selection of skills to you
More heals
Passives geared more towards magicka,
And heals.

Because BOL is THE morph for Healers?!
You can have honor the dead but not BOL

Idk I always thought stamplars had superior dps to magicka Templars. I too saw the discussion but they didnt know why he was hitting harder.
Most likely due to boss resistances which affects the dps in that specific fight but you cant say magicka templars have more dps cause of that.

Magicka classes have more skills because there are more stamina weapons you can choose from and as a stamina class you need a magicka dump but as a magicka class you already have your stamina dump with block, cc break, sprint and sneak

Where are the passives more geared to magicka? Last time I checked the balanced warrior was giving 6% weapon damage and not 6% spelldamage

I know stamina Templars are in no good place but thats the case for Templars in general. So you cant put Stamina Templars in a better place by ruining Magicka Templars...

Well go over to tamrial foundry, magicka dps builds are pulling 25-30k dps on single target bosses in vet dungeons, where as alcast and other Stamplar's are only managing 20-25k tops.

They checked alcast vs blabafat and it wasn't boss resistances, infact most mobs have more spell than physical resist, msgicks builds benefit from burning light being buffed by thumatauge, and with the cp cap stam builds can't afford an extra 100 points into that .