Help Countering Stealth Spamming magicka NB's

Gern_Verkheart

Just need some advice on how I can counter them.

I am V16 Stamina Sorc (yeah yeah, I know they have all kinds of problems, I should play a magicka sorc, blah blah. I enjoy stam sorc and I have since launch). I am trying my hardest to level Assault, but I am still only at level 3, so I don't have access to all those fancy helpful abilities. I try to use as many AOE's as possible, and even wrecking blow ( I know it follows them even after they stealth) but nothing seems to help. They just keep going stealth > surprise attack > stealth > surprise attack, until Im dead. Nothing I try seems to have any different result.

I have all my points in stamina.
Stamina enchants on all my gear.
Jewelry is Health w/ stamina cost enchants. (working on getting Agility jewelry)
Gear: 5 hundings, 2 ashen grip w/ ashen weps. (working getting Engine set to replace the ashen grip gear)

I keep critical surge, thundering presence, and bound armaments up at all times during a fight, and use the streak+critical rush for a big heal when I need it.

What am I doing wrong?

blur

I am not sure what you are needing help with countering?
Sounds to me like you are just jumping on the complain train from the forums.
As a Stamina Sorc you have a lot of ways to pull people out of sneak.

There is no way they are staying invis with Lightning Form on. Second, if you can't keep them visible either chug a detect potion or use Radiant Magelight. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Also once you are stunned you are immune for several seconds. Why are you letting them dictate the pace? Hit them and stay on them. Stam Sorcs > Magicka NB easily.

Edit: Steel Tornado rank4 has a 12.5 radius. It's actually larger than the visual animation. You should have that on your AoE Bar anyways.

OdinForge

blur wrote: »

I am not sure what you are needing help with countering?
Sounds to me like you are just jumping on the complain train from the forums.
As a Stamina Sorc you have a lot of ways to pull people out of sneak.

There is no way they are staying invis with Lightning Form on. Second, if you can't keep them visible either chug a detect potion or use Radiant Magelight. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Also once you are stunned you are immune for several seconds. Why are you letting them dictate the pace? Hit them and stay on them. Stam Sorcs > Magicka NB easily.

Edit: Steel Tornado rank4 has a 12.5 radius. It's actually larger than the visual animation. You should have that on your AoE Bar anyways.

This essentially.

Add in caltrops for extra measure and you're golden.

twistedmonk

magicka NBs are pretty weak. not sure how anybody can die to one.

all the complaints about cloak are...unfounded. at best, it only allows a NB to run away once in a while - who cares really - even if they come back they can't kill anybody. at worst, it just shows how bad you are as a player that you can't use one of the many counters available to you.

Stikato

Use streak to stun, unstealth, and generally be unpredictable in movement.

Boundless / Thundering will also help keep you moving fast, raise your defenses, and reveal stealthers.

Caltrops can be effective at either cutting off escape routes, or creating a "no stealth" zone around you

Steel tornado, as mentioned, is excellent.

Having high damage, and cc abilities helps a lot. There will be periods where all you get is glimpses, and you need to make those periods count. Gap close, get some ae going, get some cc going. A crit surge / stampede can do wonders here.

Most of all, be extremely aggressive, and do not sit back on your heels. Be ready to use that detect pot, but hold it until the absolute moment that you need it. Preferably, you never will, as even using a detect pot puts you at a disadvantage.

raasdal

I Play a Magicka Sorc, and i am honestly not having any issues with them. Here is how i handle them. How this translates to your Stamina Build, i do not know;

1. When they are actually visible, Curse them. Curse WILL bring them out of stealth when it goes off. And then you have time enough to put ANOTHER Curse on them, before they vanish again.
2. When they go into Stealth Streak into the position they were at, or were you believe they might be. As with Curse, this will bring them out of Stealth.
3. Use Thundering Presence / Boundless Storm. This should be active 24/7 for alot of reasons. Detecting Stealth right next to you, is one of them.
4. This is THE most important and easy one; Use Detect Pots (Potions that give Detection).

IMO, The NB's that spend all their resources on constantly cloaking and running away, almost ALWAYS gets killed by me. They fail in getting away and i kill them. Just like any other battle where someone thinks they can outrun a Sorc. The NB's that i am actually afraid of, are the ones that keep pushing and mashing DPS at my face.

I do not have much experience with the other classes, but from what i know, Sorcs have some of the best counters to Stealth (Streak + Curse)

Hyssia

blur wrote: »

. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Are you a zerger or do you only have like, 5 minutes of gameplay in total inside of IC? :^)

Mojomonkeyman

blur wrote: »

I am not sure what you are needing help with countering?
Sounds to me like you are just jumping on the complain train from the forums.
As a Stamina Sorc you have a lot of ways to pull people out of sneak.

There is no way they are staying invis with Lightning Form on. Second, if you can't keep them visible either chug a detect potion or use Radiant Magelight. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Also once you are stunned you are immune for several seconds. Why are you letting them dictate the pace? Hit them and stay on them. Stam Sorcs > Magicka NB easily.

Edit: Steel Tornado rank4 has a 12.5 radius. It's actually larger than the visual animation. You should have that on your AoE Bar anyways.

Hey OP, stam sorc here.

I wouldn`t take the quoted guy too serious, if you scan his post history he is basically entering any NB thread playing devil`s advocate... stating opinions as facts.

Lightning form radius is too small and won`t help you vs any competent NB.

Detect pots are, well pots and therefore on CD and not reliable, especially since their bonuses aren`t rly suited for most stam builds.

Good NBs know how to only lose stealth for like a fraction of a second when hit by curse explosion. I`m averaging around 280 apm while playing, means very fast, but the window of reapplication for such a low dmg/high cost spell (stam build) is often times not enough to put pressure on the NB or his ressource pool.

In my own experience, not getting killed by one is easy, but to kill a MNB i need to finish him in one - two combos. Your advantage is, he has to come to you to inflict major damage. Wait for his jump, block, break fear, streak through him, crit charge, wpn switch - steel tornado and save ur second streak for when he tries to escape the tornado. If he`s not dead now, he`ll prolly escape.

According to your initial post, OP, I assume you`re just playing too defensively, as soon as you broke the first fear you have to go full. attack mode . WB, imo, isn`t rly helpful, you want hard hitting instants, that are not as easy to avoid, with increased movement speed in particular.

BR

KundaliniHero

The best way to counter a magicka cloaking night blade in my experience:

Step 1:
Go to the forums and create a thread titled "cloak needs a nerf, a pack of wild cloaking nightblades are destroying my legacy"

Step 2:
Pontificate profusely about how eso, like life, should be fair and that you deserve to be entertained with immortal victories rather than developing any humility, sense of humor or skill.

Step 3:
Wait patiently for 1 year while Zenimax's top minds debate the best method of eating flaming hot cheetos:
directly from the bag vs grazing them off a make shift trough on their shirt.

Step 4:
At the 13th month mark after Zenimax finally caves in to your whim, take a small break to say hi to your parents who had reported you missing 12 months ago and had no idea you were living in their basement then proceed back into the game in search of something else to complain about. Repeat Steps 1 through 4.

works everytime.

rordogg

All the nightblades are gonna tell you to use aoe, caltrops, flare or detect pots. Be wary of aoe and caltrops in ic though cause it's also gonna pull every mob in the area to you. Any decent NB is just gonna get further away when you use a detect pot so your only skill you can really use is flare to keep them out of hitting cloak over and over.

Wreuntzylla

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Just need some advice on how I can counter them.

I am V16 Stamina Sorc (yeah yeah, I know they have all kinds of problems, I should play a magicka sorc, blah blah. I enjoy stam sorc and I have since launch). I am trying my hardest to level Assault, but I am still only at level 3, so I don't have access to all those fancy helpful abilities. I try to use as many AOE's as possible, and even wrecking blow ( I know it follows them even after they stealth) but nothing seems to help. They just keep going stealth > surprise attack > stealth > surprise attack, until Im dead. Nothing I try seems to have any different result.

I have all my points in stamina.
Stamina enchants on all my gear.
Jewelry is Health w/ stamina cost enchants. (working on getting Agility jewelry)
Gear: 5 hundings, 2 ashen grip w/ ashen weps. (working getting Engine set to replace the ashen grip gear)

I keep critical surge, thundering presence, and bound armaments up at all times during a fight, and use the streak+critical rush for a big heal when I need it.

What am I doing wrong?

What are you doing wrong? Your trolling based on outdated internet information, that's what.

Surprise Attack hasn't been a magicka NB skill in a very long time....

QuebraRegra

Stamina sorcerer you say? Well that's an interesting approach....

WB, WB, WB, WB, mixed with CR when needed. It certainly get's my goat.

Devotion

Hyssia wrote: »

blur wrote: »

. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Are you a zerger or do you only have like, 5 minutes of gameplay in total inside of IC? :^)

I can believe it, a magicka NB without proxy det has little burst. If I didn't run in a 2-3 man group a lot of the time I would struggle to kill anything decent solo.

KundaliniHero

Devotion wrote: »

Hyssia wrote: »

blur wrote: »

. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Are you a zerger or do you only have like, 5 minutes of gameplay in total inside of IC? :^)

I can believe it, a magicka NB without proxy det has little burst. If I didn't run in a 2-3 man group a lot of the time I would struggle to kill anything decent solo.

What are you talking about I hit like a god with my Nightblade.....over 16 seconds......wait for the damage.....any second now...sh*t im dead.

Makkir

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Just need some advice on how I can counter them.

I am V16 Stamina Sorc (yeah yeah, I know they have all kinds of problems, I should play a magicka sorc, blah blah. I enjoy stam sorc and I have since launch). I am trying my hardest to level Assault, but I am still only at level 3, so I don't have access to all those fancy helpful abilities. I try to use as many AOE's as possible, and even wrecking blow ( I know it follows them even after they stealth) but nothing seems to help. They just keep going stealth > surprise attack > stealth > surprise attack, until Im dead. Nothing I try seems to have any different result.

I have all my points in stamina.
Stamina enchants on all my gear.
Jewelry is Health w/ stamina cost enchants. (working on getting Agility jewelry)
Gear: 5 hundings, 2 ashen grip w/ ashen weps. (working getting Engine set to replace the ashen grip gear)

I keep critical surge, thundering presence, and bound armaments up at all times during a fight, and use the streak+critical rush for a big heal when I need it.

What am I doing wrong?

I think you need to accept there just are some builds out there you won't be able to counter. When I was stamina, I ran defensive rune to help combat against those stealth attacks. I don't quite know if any bleeds/dots will pop them out of stealth anymore, but I think you should try switching to detect pots.

Reeko

I play a magicka NB and i use pots all the time. They are NOT that expensive. Wormwood and Cornflower. Add Lady Smok if you wanna get fancy lol

I don't use piercing mark although i probably should.

Gern_Verkheart

I don't know how so many people are misunderstanding my question as complaining. I asked how I can improve my gameplay to better counter NB that use stealth a lot. I never once said anything about any ability needing nerfed, I even asked what I am doing wrong. Me, not other people, me. MY gameplay needs improving, not the mechanics of the game.

That said, I thank the few of you who responded with legitimate answers (even if a couple of them were a bit toxic). I will try using detect pots more.

What is this flare ability? As I said: I am only level 3 (now 4) in Assault and Support, so I don't have caltrops or any other good ability from those trees yet. Are you talking about the Templar ability "Solar Flare" and it's morphs? Remember, I am a sorc.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

blur wrote: »

I am not sure what you are needing help with countering?
Sounds to me like you are just jumping on the complain train from the forums.
As a Stamina Sorc you have a lot of ways to pull people out of sneak.

There is no way they are staying invis with Lightning Form on. Second, if you can't keep them visible either chug a detect potion or use Radiant Magelight. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Also once you are stunned you are immune for several seconds. Why are you letting them dictate the pace? Hit them and stay on them. Stam Sorcs > Magicka NB easily.

Edit: Steel Tornado rank4 has a 12.5 radius. It's actually larger than the visual animation. You should have that on your AoE Bar anyways.

Hey OP, stam sorc here.

I wouldn`t take the quoted guy too serious, if you scan his post history he is basically entering any NB thread playing devil`s advocate... stating opinions as facts.

Lightning form radius is too small and won`t help you vs any competent NB.

Detect pots are, well pots and therefore on CD and not reliable, especially since their bonuses aren`t rly suited for most stam builds.

Good NBs know how to only lose stealth for like a fraction of a second when hit by curse explosion. I`m averaging around 280 apm while playing, means very fast, but the window of reapplication for such a low dmg/high cost spell (stam build) is often times not enough to put pressure on the NB or his ressource pool.

In my own experience, not getting killed by one is easy, but to kill a MNB i need to finish him in one - two combos. Your advantage is, he has to come to you to inflict major damage. Wait for his jump, block, break fear, streak through him, crit charge, wpn switch - steel tornado and save ur second streak for when he tries to escape the tornado. If he`s not dead now, he`ll prolly escape.

According to your initial post, OP, I assume you`re just playing too defensively, as soon as you broke the first fear you have to go full. attack mode . WB, imo, isn`t rly helpful, you want hard hitting instants, that are not as easy to avoid, with increased movement speed in particular.

BR

That is very helpful, thank you.

Akinos

I just read the OP and rest of this thread. Not once did the OP complain about dark cloak or ask for it to be nerfed. All he did was come ASKING FOR HELP on how to counter cloak spamming nightblades, yet nearly everybody that posted a reply instantly jumped down his throat, attacking him with what basically boils down to "L2P" and "stop whining".

People need to chill out and l2read before posting.

blur

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

blur wrote: »

I am not sure what you are needing help with countering?
Sounds to me like you are just jumping on the complain train from the forums.
As a Stamina Sorc you have a lot of ways to pull people out of sneak.

There is no way they are staying invis with Lightning Form on. Second, if you can't keep them visible either chug a detect potion or use Radiant Magelight. I have not been killed once by a nightblade since the patch for IC content went live.

Also once you are stunned you are immune for several seconds. Why are you letting them dictate the pace? Hit them and stay on them. Stam Sorcs > Magicka NB easily.

Edit: Steel Tornado rank4 has a 12.5 radius. It's actually larger than the visual animation. You should have that on your AoE Bar anyways.

Hey OP, stam sorc here.

I wouldn`t take the quoted guy too serious, if you scan his post history he is basically entering any NB thread playing devil`s advocate... stating opinions as facts.

Lightning form radius is too small and won`t help you vs any competent NB.

Detect pots are, well pots and therefore on CD and not reliable, especially since their bonuses aren`t rly suited for most stam builds.

Good NBs know how to only lose stealth for like a fraction of a second when hit by curse explosion. I`m averaging around 280 apm while playing, means very fast, but the window of reapplication for such a low dmg/high cost spell (stam build) is often times not enough to put pressure on the NB or his ressource pool.

In my own experience, not getting killed by one is easy, but to kill a MNB i need to finish him in one - two combos. Your advantage is, he has to come to you to inflict major damage. Wait for his jump, block, break fear, streak through him, crit charge, wpn switch - steel tornado and save ur second streak for when he tries to escape the tornado. If he`s not dead now, he`ll prolly escape.

According to your initial post, OP, I assume you`re just playing too defensively, as soon as you broke the first fear you have to go full. attack mode . WB, imo, isn`t rly helpful, you want hard hitting instants, that are not as easy to avoid, with increased movement speed in particular.

BR

Actually he would do well to listen to me as I play a Stamina Sorc.
Yes, please do scan my posting history, you will see I help out most people who make Stam Sorc threads.

@Gern_Verkheart If you want to play better, consider what I wrote to you and what @OdinForge confirmed.

Lightning Form is NOT too small and WILL help you against most NBs. You are a Stamina Sorc are you not? This means you would be in melee range where your LF should be hitting him. Once you unlock Caltrops it's "game over" for the NB escape. Use Boundless Storm, not thundering presence. BS lasts a lot longer and you don't have to switch bars as much to keep your buff up for major expedition. You should always be in the NBs face... don't let him dictate the pace or create space. IF you are having a hard time staying on them, use Radiant Magelight, it has almost the same radius as Steel Tornado.

If I am so wrong how come you don't see the top Stamina Sorc's Xael and Fengrush posting about how overpowered NB cloak is? Xael will straight up tell you it's all a bunch of whining from people too ignorant or lazy to adapt. Also why is it that the technically worst stamina class is doing so well against them? OP I am a solo player and I play quite a bit. The only time I die, it's mostly to DKs or groups / mobs.

Other than the advice I gave you, I can't tell you what you are doing wrong because there is no video to go by. I can't exactly critique something I can't see can I? The formula though is simple. Only create space for Crit Rush (heal/dmg), stay in their face, keep up Boundless, use detect/Radiant ML when needed. As I said earlier, the problem goes away when you get caltrops. Hell I had no problem with them before I got Caltrops cos I used RML. With RML only the initial cast makes them vanish, the rest of the duration they are visible. Keep that up and they are screwed. If you want to fail, listen to mojo, im not multiple emp solo stam sorc or anything...

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Darlgon

I will just be glad when my AoEs pop NBs out of stealth again.. if ever. Come on.. walk thru fire and not out of stealth?Not cool.

Joy_Division

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

I don't know how so many people are misunderstanding my question as complaining. I asked how I can improve my gameplay to better counter NB that use stealth a lot. I never once said anything about any ability needing nerfed, I even asked what I am doing wrong. Me, not other people, me. MY gameplay needs improving, not the mechanics of the game.

That said, I thank the few of you who responded with legitimate answers (even if a couple of them were a bit toxic). I will try using detect pots more.

What is this flare ability? As I said: I am only level 3 (now 4) in Assault and Support, so I don't have caltrops or any other good ability from those trees yet. Are you talking about the Templar ability "Solar Flare" and it's morphs? Remember, I am a sorc.

You are quite right. It's a shame that the majority of the community reads only what they want to read and is more concerned about maintaining their power, their play-style, their presence than honest debate or helping others.

The Flare ability is from the Alliance War support tree and requires a high PvP rank (I think 7) so it's a long ways off. Which is just as well because the skill has a very high magicka cost (you are stamina), does nothing aside from its function of revealing stealthed players (which restricts its viability over something like caltrops), and I'm not even sure it works against cloaked NBs (invisible is a different condition that stealth, which is what the tooptip for flare says).

I think the best advice you have received is to always keep up thundering presence as it is an AOE and will bring out stealthed players near you. I am guessing you are already doing this.

The game designers made Radiant magelight the natural counter to stealth. You could slot this for defensive means as it will prevent a stun from a stealth attack (this part helps a lot vs snipers, less so against a melee NB as they will drop a fear on you which mage light will not protect you from) and reduce the initial stealth hit by 50%. There is an opportunity cost, you are devoting two skill slots that do nothing else to help your build and you will not be as effective Vs. everybody else. If I am alone in a notorious ganking area (Sewers, low population IC districts) I would pay that price. Still, Radiant is a passive skill and designed more to protect you than actually find a mobile stealthed opponent.

Detect pots are good, but they last only last 15 seconds or so and have a 45 second cooldown. Before this patch, I would have recommended just blocking. Blocking prevents most CC and reduces damage. It was a relatively efficient way of getting the main benefits of mage-light without slotting it. There were times I stood in an open field just blocking for like 45 seconds when I knew a NB was sizing up a potential attack. Eventually u can go into stealth yourself, they leave, or they get impatient. Not exactly sporting, but this game is full of not-exactly-sporting mechanics. Besides, there is (now) a penalty for such behavior with no stamina regen so you only can really do this if your stamina pool is mostly full.

A lot of this is just experience and instinctual reactions. If this is your first character and you are at Assault / Support 4, you are going to make mistakes, overthink stuff, and die more often that you would like while you learn and develop a 6th sense for stuff like this. It was easier for many of us who started the game from Beta as we are all relative noobs learning and dying doing stupid stuff and now newer players are getting throw against seasoned vets (who have a large champion point advantage to boot). Running with a group and joining things I would recommend for any player relatively new to the PvP experience who likes it and just wants to get better

I admire your attitude and wish you good luck!

Gern_Verkheart

So, I got several good fights in against a NB last night who was using stealth a lot. I won every encounter, but he was only V5, so it wasn't really a fair fight for him at all. However, it did allow me to test out all the advice I have received. The two most effective skills (that I currently have access to, I still don't have caltrops) seemed to be Streak and steel tornado, both of those knocked him out of stealth every time. Thundering presence never took him out of stealth, not sure if this was a bug or not, but a couple times I popped thundering presence and then waited a second just to see if it would pop him out, then I would hit steel tornado, it would pop him out and he had been right next to me the whole time, well within the range of Thundering presence.

Thank you all again for your advice.

Hydrocodone

LOL come back and tell us how you do against a v16 NB. I can 1 shot a v5.

kadar

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

So, I got several good fights in against a NB last night who was using stealth a lot. I won every encounter, but he was only V5, so it wasn't really a fair fight for him at all. However, it did allow me to test out all the advice I have received. The two most effective skills (that I currently have access to, I still don't have caltrops) seemed to be Streak and steel tornado, both of those knocked him out of stealth every time. Thundering presence never took him out of stealth, not sure if this was a bug or not, but a couple times I popped thundering presence and then waited a second just to see if it would pop him out, then I would hit steel tornado, it would pop him out and he had been right next to me the whole time, well within the range of Thundering presence.

Thank you all again for your advice.

Good on you mate, for asking for, getting, and listening to advice! Pretty soon you'll be wrecking those pesky NBs or at least holding your own. Oh and good job ignoring trolls.

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twistedmonk

magic NBs are probably the weakest class right now....

I mean - what do they have? funnel health spam? for like 3k lolz

magic detonation was nerfed to be on a 8 second timer so it's iffy at best. magic nb will die in 2 WBs so...

Reeko

twistedmonk wrote: »

magic NBs are probably the weakest class right now....

I mean - what do they have? funnel health spam? for like 3k lolz

magic detonation was nerfed to be on a 8 second timer so it's iffy at best. magic nb will die in 2 WBs so...

If they nerf cloak they will die sooner than that.

Ragenarokkr

As a sorcerer there are a ton of skills that basically make it unwise for an NB to attack you or get remotely close. Mines, encase, defensive rune, your pets, etc. Add in the other skill lines and now it's just too easy to not only detect NB but catch them off guard. The most important thing in dealing with NB is the mindset and also to never travel alone, in fact follow the horror movie rules from various horror movies that could apply to ESO PvP. The mindset you need requires that you're calm and alert, even acting like you're constantly surrounded by NB.

Actually follow these rules: Survival Rules For PvP

1. Always travel via sneaking (unless you're outside the imperial city, then travel in a group via horse, sneaking across the whole map is very boring).
2. Never travel alone.
3. Never go BRB/AFK leaving your character unattended. Log out instead.
4. Never take your hands off the controller while in PvP areas.
5. Have an attack that does extra damage undead/daedra/etc. There are many vampire/werewolf players plus tons of daedra in the imperial city. You should also have at least one AOE and at least one ability that stuns/snares/etc.
6. Don't be a hero unless you think you truly can win.
7. Double tap. With the new phoenix set out you need to stay for a second or two in attack distance of the enemy to make sure they truly are dead if you cannot tell what armour they're wearing or notice they even have one piece of the phoenix set.
8. Know your surroundings and if you're backing up be careful not to back up into a wall or mobs or enemy players.
9. Don't be afraid to say with your mic in chat channels where people can help you "I need help, I am at/in <insert location>, the enemy is <insert description of the enemy plus how many>. Someone may come help, keyword, may.
10. Always expect some moron is going to *** off mobs and/or monsters you cannot handle solo then bring them your way, so if you see a player running towards you be prepared to get out of detection distance just in case.
11. Life is not fair, nor is war and you can bet your sweet roll that PvP might not always feel fair. Always expect at least one player is going to come by and ruin things for you but know you can do the same to them if you get the chance.
12. Show no mercy, never let up even for a sixteenth of a second. Be crafty as well, keep trying to think beyond your current strategies.
13. Your hands hurt? Your hands are slipping from sweat? You're getting angry? Get to a safe area to fix the problem or push through it, the former option is safer than the latter.

BrassRazoo

There is no counter.
They recast and recast then they might recast then they are gone.
But don't turn your back because they might recast it again go boo!

Hydrocodone

The NBs that spam cloak and go Boo are poo.

Gern_Verkheart

I noticed another odd thing today. Although WB does track them while they are stealthed, and even lands and causes damage, it won't knocked them out of stealth.