Crown Glass Mofits? Slap in the Face to the Dedicated Crafters Who Actually Earned Them

Makkir

Being that all crafted gear is the same there is no such thing as "the best crafter."

Callous2208

daemonios wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I have em. I never payed real money. Why take them out? Got some on my own, bought the rest on a trader. I can see how deeply this has hurt your feelings. I just don't quite understand why.

While I have some in-game gold, I don't have nearly enough to buy all the glass motifs and other grind-fest stuff. But that's beside the point.

I dislike the crown store model and have from the start, on principle and for what it's doing to the game. Let me put it this way: I gladly pay my sub since early access, and will continue to do so as long as I'm still enjoying the game as a whole. I will NOT play for free while others pony up for it, and I will certainly not support the game through what is essentially a bottomless pit. I know you don't NEED any of the stuff in the store, but if it's in the game and I can't get it with just my subscription, I'm going to be frustrated. And those things are piling up quickly...

Anyway, different people, different opinions. Just don't say I have "hurt feelings". I don't like being patronised.

Aye, I was a bit childish with that remark. I do agree with you about the crown store model and gladly subbed like yourself. Unfortunately, with the B2P model, the crown store is the burden we must bare. Without a required sub, there will sadly always be things a sub alone will not get you. My hope is that things like this are all we have to worry about. I can deal with this for now. My fingers are crossed it's not a slippery slope into the dreaded p2w cesspool.

SleepyTroll

I don't see the big deal it's just a style it's not like there selling research... They need money to keep the game running and giving us new stuff.

Elder_III

I fully anticipated that it would be in the Crown Store since it's a cash shop driven game now, and they put Dwemer on there in the paste as well. I did however expect that it would be another month or two before seeing it there. Since they won't give us useful, hotly desired things like various Account Upgrades etc, we need something to spend Crowns on. Even if you recently unsubbed you still may have thousands of Crowns left from the past 18 months.

ThisOnePosts

It's cosmetic. I have all motifs learned (without buying any in the Crown Store) and I could care less.

However, I want more IC-like content. Even though I've done everything there is to do there so many times over, damn is it fun.

Mettaricana

Yeah I just sell my motifs to the dedicated crafters make my gold and get the crown motif

Teridaxus

I guess you guys will love it that ZOS is going to do the same with yokudan, akavirii and undauted/mercenary and probaly all future motifs.

myrrrorb14_ESO

They said that they wouldnt put anything in the store that you couldnt do for yourself in game. True to their word you can, in theory, get the glass motif by earning it.

By my math, with one crafter, I can earn that motif set in about one year...

Of course I could buy trade duplicates and slash that time, but still fairly significant effort involved.

Or for only 5000 crowns I can have it now. I enjoy playing the game and finding / earning everything. Sometimes it takes a while, but it makes it so mych sweeter when accomplished. (Vamp bites...)

I like crafting, its my favirite activity. But even I got to look at this grind and just cringe. It was clearly a money grab, which is fine. At least it can be earned :-)

Violynne

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

I know I am not alone on this.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, "Yes you are" because it only took two seconds to see the Imperial motif has been in the Crown store since day 1 (well, for us console folks anyway), and even a misfire between two working brain cells would have figured all the new motifs would be added.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to address something, and I can confidently say I'm not alone in this: whether you bought the motif or earned it is irrelevant. It's what you do with the style that impresses. I've seen some exceptional schemes thrown together from all different motifs and colored so well, it still boggles my mind on the level of customization this game offers.

Many players out there have serious customization skills and I don't give a second thought in how they acquired the motifs to make it. I know where they are if I want them myself.

Kammakazi

Who cares if you wanna be a special flower lol

Pappa

I don't have a problem with it either you can pay RL money for it or do it via the in game system that just costs you time, I pay for ESO plus and have enough to buy it outright, but I will continue to grind for the motifs.

The real money for crafters isn't the styles, it's what traits you have

Bloodgharm

OmniDevil wrote: »

"Earned"

I don't think that word means what you think it does.......

It sure didn't mean the same thing in destiny. Every week people would cry about what people "earned" and "xurned" lol.

icontested

Why isn't anyone talking about the other point of view? The ESO player who is wealthy IRL and buys what they want because they can. I think ESO is a game for people with higher intelligence and also wealthier and more successful people. You don't have to buy anything from the crown store, but if you got it like that than do it. It's cool to flex your ferrari but not your choice of video game?

Cadbury

Bloodgharm wrote: »

OmniDevil wrote: »

"Earned"

I don't think that word means what you think it does.......

It sure didn't mean the same thing in destiny. Every week people would cry about what people "earned" and "xurned" lol.

"B-but....I just got my Gally! Am I not turtley enough for the turtle club?"

Ackwalan

Adding the glass motif to the crown store three weeks after the release of the DLC, is garbage. Did ZOS also lower the drop rate for the pages from writes?

Iluvrien

Unsurprised. Still disappointed.

I had thought that after they announced that Orsinium would be VR16 (and so presumably have access to the same mats) that they might be getting it.

I had thought that after their justification for splitting the motif (diversification and achievement as crafters) they might be showing some insight.

I was wrong. Again.

The VR16 mat requirements, the obviously contrived grind for this motif and the speed at which this is appearing in the Crown Store all support my previously held view...

... ZOS hates crafters. Not surprising, but certainly disappointing, to continue to find that my old cynical view was correct in this.

Qyrk

Why are you guys surprised? I guess if you really didn't come across the information, it might surprise you. But many of us actually expected this to happen to be on the crown store as they mention it will be on the crown store.

And for someone above (earlier post) about it being P2W, you really need to educate yourself mate .

S1ipperyJim

I'm not sure how people are mustering up outrage about this since we have known it would be a crown store item for a long time, we have other rare motifs in the crown store already and perfectly fits the 'cosmetic items only' intent of the crown store.

Preyfar

Iluvrien wrote: »

I had thought that after their justification for splitting the motif (diversification and achievement as crafters) they might be showing some insight.

I was wrong. Again.

Mentioning diversification and Imperial City is kind of... ridiculous. The entire end game is just a grind for Agility, Willpower and Endurance sets. Half the TV sets are incredibly PVP specific and aren't of interest to the avrage player, and the dungeon drops are too hard to get for most people as well, so... diversity took a huge nose dive with IC.

Iluvrien

Preyfar wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

I had thought that after their justification for splitting the motif (diversification and achievement as crafters) they might be showing some insight.

I was wrong. Again.

Mentioning diversification and Imperial City is kind of... ridiculous. The entire end game is just a grind for Agility, Willpower and Endurance sets. Half the TV sets are incredibly PVP specific and aren't of interest to the avrage player, and the dungeon drops are too hard to get for most people as well, so... diversity took a huge nose dive with IC.

Then blame ZOS. It was an answer to an AUA question in ESO live. Somebody asked about the motif split. That was the answer given.

Preyfar

Iluvrien wrote: »

Then blame ZOS. It was an answer to an AUA question in ESO live. Somebody asked about the motif split. That was the answer given.

I am blaming ZOS.

Anorak

This isn't a slap in the face to anyone when you consider the fact that you have a story to tell behind how you learned to craft it. It is the same as getting a mount from completing a hard raid and buying the mount from a store. The fact is you earned it and will be seen as someone who is more knowledgeable and dedicated.

Also chill out it doesn't do anything extra for people and costs a *** ton of crowns. I mean you act like they sell it for 100 crowns.

Iluvrien

Anorak wrote: »

This isn't a slap in the face to anyone when you consider the fact that you have a story to tell behind how you learned to craft it. It is the same as getting a mount from completing a hard raid and buying the mount from a store. The fact is you earned it and will be seen as someone who is more knowledgeable and dedicated.

Also chill out it doesn't do anything extra for people and costs a *** ton of crowns. I mean you act like they sell it for 100 crowns.

Yes it is. Look at the threads when motifs were first placed in the crown store. I, among others, posted detailed explanations as to why their inclusion would (and now has) affected the crafting economy that we had experienced up to that point.

You can argue that this change is something that [snip] needs to generate income. To argue that it does not affect dedicated crafters is demonstrably wrong. My own experience is evidence of this.

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MaxBat

Gidorick wrote: »

You guys are still surprised by this stuff?

really?

no... I mean, really?

After over a year of participating and lurking on this forum and equally long time in paid subscriptions:

No, I'm not surprised anymore.

Xendyn

icontested wrote: »

Why isn't anyone talking about the other point of view? The ESO player who is wealthy IRL and buys what they want because they can. I think ESO is a game for people with higher intelligence and also wealthier and more successful people. You don't have to buy anything from the crown store, but if you got it like that than do it. It's cool to flex your ferrari but not your choice of video game?

That's one of the things that saddens me. That's why I came here from whale-laden, store-driven LOTRO.
I came to play a subscription game where you didn't buy your way through it, where crafting was supposed to be important and meaningful. Where you had more options of how you wanted to play in a beautiful world and exploring was as important as dungeons.

It's been slowly taken away a step at a time.

It's grief, man
It's grief.

icontested

Xendyn wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

Why isn't anyone talking about the other point of view? The ESO player who is wealthy IRL and buys what they want because they can. I think ESO is a game for people with higher intelligence and also wealthier and more successful people. You don't have to buy anything from the crown store, but if you got it like that than do it. It's cool to flex your ferrari but not your choice of video game?

That's one of the things that saddens me. That's why I came here from whale-laden, store-driven LOTRO.
I came to play a subscription game where you didn't buy your way through it, where crafting was supposed to be important and meaningful. Where you had more options of how you wanted to play in a beautiful world and exploring was as important as dungeons.

It's been slowly taken away a step at a time.

It's grief, man
It's grief.

There is plenty of gear in this game you can't buy in the crown store. Masters weapons are always a crowd pleaser. Also the mats for VR16 does take time to earn. Those VR16 stat items are lovely. Can't buy those. I would rather save $50 on a video game I would have bought and not liked than buy a lame video game and not spend it in the crown store.

What would you suggest to stay exclusive that people can't buy and why

Elijah_Crow

Too soon ZOS. Too soon.

Pangnirtung

daemonios wrote: »

THEN PUT IT IN THE STORE AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE REST OF THE GAME.

This one thousand times.

It's funny how the vision of the game has changed so quickly in a little over a year.

Crafting was being sold by one of the game designers as being something "special". There would be a payback for all the long hours of learning a craft.

Yup crafters weren't going to be relegated to useless in ESO. No sirree.

Is it just me or is this game company making all the wrong decisions since it went buy to play?

JWT

not really~ the 500k per page was utter [snip] : / I for one thank them for putting it up this early, [snip]

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Faulgor

Iluvrien wrote: »

I had thought that after their justification for splitting the motif (diversification and achievement as crafters) they might be showing some insight.

That's maybe what annoys me the most. This wasn't even two weeks ago when they talked about it in their last ESO live, and it seemed to make sense. With the addition to the crown store, that whole point is moot. Everyone can have everything in an instant - for cash.
They have ruined their own game design in not even two weeks for cash. That is such a fast sellout it does surprise me.

I'll just do enough writs to make one more page and that's it for me, I'll buy the rest for gold when the price drops.