Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?

Chieve

Yes

Carde wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Something confuses me...


Why is it that nobody cares that the PC players that want controller support will have to buy a $50 controller to use the feature.

But, everybody is up in arms that consoles users may have to buy a $15 keyboard to use a text chat feature?

Why are there so many double-standards when it comes to consoles vs PC?

What? Why the hell would you even care for PC controller support unless you already owned a PC controller?

Why should anyone care if you don't own one but want to buy one?

Why can't you use a cheaper 15 dollar controller? I Just bought a logitech gamepad for 20 bucks to play rocket league on PC and it works great.

One of the arguments to not have text chat is the fact that everybody will have to buy a keyboard for text chat when most people don't have any.

From what I'm aware of, I don't think there are any $15 controllers...I mean I never bought one or really looked into it...and I guess you can find one really xheap, but working in retail, we sell some and we don't have any $15 ones.

Quagmire4german4

Yes

Chieve wrote: »

Carde wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Something confuses me...


Why is it that nobody cares that the PC players that want controller support will have to buy a $50 controller to use the feature.

But, everybody is up in arms that consoles users may have to buy a $15 keyboard to use a text chat feature?

Why are there so many double-standards when it comes to consoles vs PC?

What? Why the hell would you even care for PC controller support unless you already owned a PC controller?

Why should anyone care if you don't own one but want to buy one?

Why can't you use a cheaper 15 dollar controller? I Just bought a logitech gamepad for 20 bucks to play rocket league on PC and it works great.

One of the arguments to not have text chat is the fact that everybody will have to buy a keyboard for text chat when most people don't have any.

Virtual keyboard, bruh.

Ishta

Yes

This won't be coming with IC. But it sure needs to happen soon.

Carde

Yes

Chieve wrote: »

Carde wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Something confuses me...


Why is it that nobody cares that the PC players that want controller support will have to buy a $50 controller to use the feature.

But, everybody is up in arms that consoles users may have to buy a $15 keyboard to use a text chat feature?

Why are there so many double-standards when it comes to consoles vs PC?

What? Why the hell would you even care for PC controller support unless you already owned a PC controller?

Why should anyone care if you don't own one but want to buy one?

Why can't you use a cheaper 15 dollar controller? I Just bought a logitech gamepad for 20 bucks to play rocket league on PC and it works great.

One of the arguments to not have text chat is the fact that everybody will have to buy a keyboard for text chat when most people don't have any.

From what I'm aware of, I don't think there are any $15 controllers...I mean I never bought one or really looked into it...and I guess you can find one really xheap, but working in retail, we sell some and we don't have any $15 ones.

That argument of "but I'd have to buy a keyboard" is exactly why both options for communication are a better choice. Too cheap to buy a keyboard or don't already own one? No problem. Voice chat baby. Have a keyboard or are willing to get one and hate to listen to tweens and dudebros in your ear all day? Text all the way, buddy.

Also you can get some ridiculously cheap controllers on amazon and stuff. I bought the aforementioned 20 dollar logitech gamepad in the "lower-mid range" of what is available. They can go down to about 10 bucks and still be relatively decent. Then there's those 150 dollar gamepads that are probably not much different but cost a premium for some reason.

Chieve

Yes

I know, don't take me the wrone way I know how easy it is to get a keyboard, I'm just backing up the other guys argument, which is understandable depending on your life's situation, for me no problem.. others? Possibly

Hiero_Glyph

Yes

At this point the basic premise is that if PC can use a controller, which is non-native to PCs and infers an addditional cost to the player then consoles should be able to have text support even though a keyboard is non-native and may infer an additional cost (a virtual keyboard can be added for everyone for free). The cost itself is irrelevant since there are controllers and keyboards that cost over $100 and others that cost less than $15. Additionally, both of these require a UI update.

Riga_Mortis

Yes

I think I'm going to drop my monthly sub until we hear either way about text chat. Really don't see why I should support a company that can't even be bothered to acknowledge a 70+ page thread.

Hiero_Glyph

Yes

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I think I'm going to drop my monthly sub until we hear either way about text chat. Really don't see why I should support a company that can't even be bothered to acknowledge a 70+ page thread.

Please note that this is the second 70+ page thread on the subject. The first one was locked at ~95 pages.

EDIT: For reference, here is a link to the first thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/174351/console-text-chat-discussion/p1

LegionofMorte

Yes

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I think I'm going to drop my monthly sub until we hear either way about text chat. Really don't see why I should support a company that can't even be bothered to acknowledge a 70+ page thread.

same

NewBlacksmurf

No

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

At this point the basic premise is that if PC can use a controller, which is non-native to PCs and infers an addditional cost to the player then consoles should be able to have text support even though a keyboard is non-native and may infer an additional cost (a virtual keyboard can be added for everyone for free). The cost itself is irrelevant since there are controllers and keyboards that cost over $100 and others that cost less than $15. Additionally, both of these require a UI update.

I agree the cost is irrelevant to some extent overall but on a per customer basis it could or could not be a concern.

UI updates for both...well the UI that is being used for consoles / PC technically is done so the only extra work for PC is to enable additional drivers for multiple PC controller types. Not sure of the level of work there but its not a massive undertaking and per ZOS done but not in a state where they feel its ready to put out...maybe bugs or ideas around plug n play vs keep and swapping UI's during game play with plug n play.

Really the only issue for consoles getting this feature is specific to what ZOS wants to do with those platforms.
They never went into any challenge or concerns on the end user for a peripheral standpoint...that's more of our conversations.

The challenge here is taking time to understand what ZOS wants to do and what they are willing to entertain and discuss. We have some info but I do believe it makes sense for someone like yourself and others who are just as passionate to point blank ask ZOS what they would entertain around "other communication methods/features on console"

Get it from them....then everyone can later discuss opportunities and preferences without any frustration of feeling the company isn't listening to you. Many have asked for the feature to be added but I'm not aware of anyone asking ZOS what they are willing to consider.

Just offering help/ideas as this topic is moving in a good direction now.

Hiero_Glyph

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

At this point the basic premise is that if PC can use a controller, which is non-native to PCs and infers an addditional cost to the player then consoles should be able to have text support even though a keyboard is non-native and may infer an additional cost (a virtual keyboard can be added for everyone for free). The cost itself is irrelevant since there are controllers and keyboards that cost over $100 and others that cost less than $15. Additionally, both of these require a UI update.

I agree the cost is irrelevant to some extent overall but on a per customer basis it could or could not be a concern.

UI updates for both...well the UI that is being used for consoles / PC technically is done so the only extra work for PC is to enable additional drivers for multiple PC controller types. Not sure of the level of work there but its not a massive undertaking and per ZOS done but not in a state where they feel its ready to put out...maybe bugs or ideas around plug n play vs keep and swapping UI's during game play with plug n play.

Really the only issue for consoles getting this feature is specific to what ZOS wants to do with those platforms.
They never went into any challenge or concerns on the end user for a peripheral standpoint...that's more of our conversations.

The challenge here is taking time to understand what ZOS wants to do and what they are willing to entertain and discuss. We have some info but I do believe it makes sense for someone like yourself and others who are just as passionate to point blank ask ZOS what they would entertain around "other communication methods/features on console"

Get it from them....then everyone can later discuss opportunities and preferences without any frustration of feeling the company isn't listening to you. Many have asked for the feature to be added but I'm not aware of anyone asking ZOS what they are willing to consider.

Just offering help/ideas as this topic is moving in a good direction now.

Please note that I never commented on what ZOS would or would not want to do (that's your thing). I am merely commenting on how cost is irrelevant since each peripheral can be as expensive or cheap as the user wants it to be (or free if a virtual keyboard is incorporated). ZOS will continue to do whatever they feel is in their best interests just as they always have.

Dythar

Yes

Text chat in some form really has to be implemented. They got to realize by now this was a mistake other console mmo's have it. ZOS will probably make an effort later to try after more and more ppl get fustrated and just quit playing. I find myself turning off voice area chat alot so i dont have to listen to ppl messed up mics.

Glorious_One

Yes

Im pretty much done with this game. Trying to get a refund for buying a digital copy. Very displeased with this whole thing. Very disappointed .

robkrush

Yes

Glorious_One wrote: »

Im pretty much done with this game. Trying to get a refund for buying a digital copy. Very displeased with this whole thing. Very disappointed .

I completely understand where you are coming from. If I where in your shoes I wouldn't stress myself out trying to get a refund. You bought the game and played the game, your not going to get a penny back. Kinda like buying a movie, watching it, it sux, then wanting to return it. Lol. Lesson learned, for many of us.

Glorious_One

Yes

robkrush wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

Im pretty much done with this game. Trying to get a refund for buying a digital copy. Very displeased with this whole thing. Very disappointed .

I completely understand where you are coming from. If I where in your shoes I wouldn't stress myself out trying to get a refund. You bought the game and played the game, your not going to get a penny back. Kinda like buying a movie, watching it, it sux, then wanting to return it. Lol. Lesson learned, for many of us.

I have a silver tongue, if I cant all my money back, I will get atleast a portion.

Hiero_Glyph

Yes

Dythar wrote: »

Text chat in some form really has to be implemented. They got to realize by now this was a mistake other console mmo's have it. ZOS will probably make an effort later to try after more and more ppl get fustrated and just quit playing. I find myself turning off voice area chat alot so i dont have to listen to ppl messed up mics.

Yeah, there was a guy purposely playing loud music in Daggerfall yesterday so that pretty much locked down voice chat for the area. Worse yet others were trying to talk over the music so trying to figure out who to mute was almost impossible. I just left area chat and never even thought about rejoining later.

robkrush

Yes

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Dythar wrote: »

Text chat in some form really has to be implemented. They got to realize by now this was a mistake other console mmo's have it. ZOS will probably make an effort later to try after more and more ppl get fustrated and just quit playing. I find myself turning off voice area chat alot so i dont have to listen to ppl messed up mics.

Yeah, there was a guy purposely playing loud music in Daggerfall yesterday so that pretty much locked down voice chat for the area. Worse yet others were trying to talk over the music so trying to figure out who to mute was almost impossible. I just left area chat and never even thought about rejoining later.

Similar thing happened to me this weekend playing PVP. My friends were yelling about some guy blasting music, keep in mind this went on for about an hour since no one knows how to block people apparently. I couldn't hear anything though. Turns out I already had him blocked for blasting music another time like 6 weeks ago! Lol. I prolly have less than 5 people blocked so it takes a real special individual to get on my list.

Dythar

Yes

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Dythar wrote: »

Text chat in some form really has to be implemented. They got to realize by now this was a mistake other console mmo's have it. ZOS will probably make an effort later to try after more and more ppl get fustrated and just quit playing. I find myself turning off voice area chat alot so i dont have to listen to ppl messed up mics.

Yeah, there was a guy purposely playing loud music in Daggerfall yesterday so that pretty much locked down voice chat for the area. Worse yet others were trying to talk over the music so trying to figure out who to mute was almost impossible. I just left area chat and never even thought about rejoining later.

I get that all the time, Ive blocked alot of ppl.

Hiero_Glyph

Yes

robkrush wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Dythar wrote: »

Text chat in some form really has to be implemented. They got to realize by now this was a mistake other console mmo's have it. ZOS will probably make an effort later to try after more and more ppl get fustrated and just quit playing. I find myself turning off voice area chat alot so i dont have to listen to ppl messed up mics.

Yeah, there was a guy purposely playing loud music in Daggerfall yesterday so that pretty much locked down voice chat for the area. Worse yet others were trying to talk over the music so trying to figure out who to mute was almost impossible. I just left area chat and never even thought about rejoining later.

Similar thing happened to me this weekend playing PVP. My friends were yelling about some guy blasting music, keep in mind this went on for about an hour since no one knows how to block people apparently. I couldn't hear anything though. Turns out I already had him blocked for blasting music another time like 6 weeks ago! Lol. I prolly have less than 5 people blocked so it takes a real special individual to get on my list.

To be fair, the way ESO mutes players is entirely stupid since I have to find their name in the voice chat participant list, select their name, select block, wait for the PS4 menu to load, confirm the block, and then realize that I didn't block the player from ESO only, but for the entirety of PSN including all messages and other games. I should be able to select the player's name from the participant list and immediately mute them in game, and only for ESO. I mean ESO has its own voice chat system, why does it force me to use the PS4 menu to handle something as simple as muting a player?

Geemarc

Yes

Now that IC has been release please can we get the title to this thread changed to something more appropriate as all the text chat threads have been closed and sent here..

4tracker

Yes

It's a shame that there hasn't been any real direct dialogue from the devs about this, nothing new anyway and offering a really convincing argument and acknowledging people's concerns.

I've held off buying IC and any future content as I've been completely put off by the experiences shared by people on the forums around difficulty forming groups and these shortcomings in communication. These are such vital parts of an MMO it boggles the mind that voice chat is the only option. It's great in dungeons but could never have worked out in the world.

As soon as it's fixed I'll be back on board, happily pick myself up a bluetooth keyboard and whatever expansions I've missed. ESO is fun questing and messing around in single player but it's not even half the game it could and should be as an MMO, which is quite sad.

Orthodoxa

Yes

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Dythar wrote: »

Text chat in some form really has to be implemented. They got to realize by now this was a mistake other console mmo's have it. ZOS will probably make an effort later to try after more and more ppl get fustrated and just quit playing. I find myself turning off voice area chat alot so i dont have to listen to ppl messed up mics.

Yeah, there was a guy purposely playing loud music in Daggerfall yesterday so that pretty much locked down voice chat for the area. Worse yet others were trying to talk over the music so trying to figure out who to mute was almost impossible. I just left area chat and never even thought about rejoining later.

I usually switch all voice chat off immediately because of stuff like this.

On the consoles, ESO has essentially become a one-player game where you can see other folks also solo playing. The grouping tool doesn't work, and there isn't any effective way for console players to communicate since ZoS apparently isn't willing to give us text chat like every other console MMO has.

PinoZino

Yes

Badgerthechef wrote: »

Its A No From Me.

The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.

You do know that you can connect a regular keyboard to your console?

Carde

Yes

PinoZino wrote: »

Badgerthechef wrote: »

Its A No From Me.

The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.

You do know that you can connect a regular keyboard to your console?

A surprising amount of people don't seem to realize that. My PS2 could have a keyboard plugged into it, hell my Dreamcast too, this isn't some wild unheard of tech or anything.

Orthodoxa

Yes

Carde wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

Badgerthechef wrote: »

Its A No From Me.

The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.

You do know that you can connect a regular keyboard to your console?

A surprising amount of people don't seem to realize that. My PS2 could have a keyboard plugged into it, hell my Dreamcast too, this isn't some wild unheard of tech or anything.

Yeah, it amazes me how many people are ignorant about this. Consoles have been able to plug in keyboards for generations, and all of the other console MMOs such as DCUO have text chat, and yet we still see so many posts by the uninformed or willfully ignorant that it somehow isn't possible.

Chieve

Yes

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2262135/#Comment_2262135

*cough*

Transfer is over please

We need to update the poll anyways

terrordactyl1971

Yes

If we aren't going to get text chat on consoles...

And group finder is still broken.....

Could we at least get a group queuing system like Destiny has? I'm not a fan of Destiny, but at least it's easy to get matchmaking into a group and teleported straight there. If they can do it for 3 players Strikes, then I don't see why we can't be autogrouped for 4 player dungeons.

Anything is better than the current situation, where most people never get to try them at all on console.

Hiero_Glyph

Yes

4tracker wrote: »

It's a shame that there hasn't been any real direct dialogue from the devs about this, nothing new anyway and offering a really convincing argument and acknowledging people's concerns.

I've held off buying IC and any future content as I've been completely put off by the experiences shared by people on the forums around difficulty forming groups and these shortcomings in communication. These are such vital parts of an MMO it boggles the mind that voice chat is the only option. It's great in dungeons but could never have worked out in the world.

As soon as it's fixed I'll be back on board, happily pick myself up a bluetooth keyboard and whatever expansions I've missed. ESO is fun questing and messing around in single player but it's not even half the game it could and should be as an MMO, which is quite sad.

Not all developers are created equally and you should use your money to let them now what you think of their effort. Digital Extremes is a fantastic developer and they openly communicate with their community (or as much as any developer can). Their dev streams include information about upcoming game mechanics and content, even when it is still in alpha or beta. They have fun but keep the discussion about the game, not about their favorite Chevy Chase movie. They also address balance issues even if they cannot deploy them immediately and best yet, they actually apologize for half measures and any missteps they have made in the past.

The fact that ZOS still hasn't even commented on this issue is quite telling about how they plan to support the console community. I have been a part of very good and bad communities before and, sadly, ZOS is more similar to the latter. That being said, ESO still has so much potential that it is a shame to see ZOS treat the console community this way.

Funkopotamus

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

4tracker wrote: »

It's a shame that there hasn't been any real direct dialogue from the devs about this, nothing new anyway and offering a really convincing argument and acknowledging people's concerns.

I've held off buying IC and any future content as I've been completely put off by the experiences shared by people on the forums around difficulty forming groups and these shortcomings in communication. These are such vital parts of an MMO it boggles the mind that voice chat is the only option. It's great in dungeons but could never have worked out in the world.

As soon as it's fixed I'll be back on board, happily pick myself up a bluetooth keyboard and whatever expansions I've missed. ESO is fun questing and messing around in single player but it's not even half the game it could and should be as an MMO, which is quite sad.

Not all developers are created equally and you should use your money to let them now what you think of their effort. Digital Extremes is a fantastic developer and they openly communicate with their community (or as much as any developer can). Their dev streams include information about upcoming game mechanics and content, even when it is still in alpha or beta. They have fun but keep the discussion about the game, not about their favorite Chevy Chase movie. They also address balance issues even if they cannot deploy them immediately and best yet, they actually apologize for half measures and any missteps they have made in the past.

The fact that ZOS still hasn't even commented on this issue is quite telling about how they plan to support the console community. I have been a part of very good and bad communities before and, sadly, ZOS is more similar to the latter. That being said, ESO still has so much potential that it is a shame to see ZOS treat the console community this way.

Even tho I am "Ole School" as far as MMO's go [Was here Beta testing EQ/AC] I feel that the days of PC only titles are long gone. With Neverwinter and ESO paving the way I look for more and more MMO's to port over to the console.
MMO players are in a very special time right now. Games like Everquest Online Adventures for the ps2 back in 2003 were great, but todays console's are able to run just about anything that a PC could.

What I am trying to say is. ZOS are not stupid.. They see a huge market in the console MMO. Right now there are very few choices for the MMO player. Neverwinter is not available to the PlayStation right now and even with that being said Neverwinter has already hit over 2million players on console, so that would only be Xbox.

I do not see ZOS shunning the console players at all. I just think that ZOS pushed ESO out the door to console before they actually wanted too. I firmly believe Neverwinters launch on Xbox moved things up for ZOS. With that being said ZOS did not have time to iron things out that they wanted to. I also think the Chat System was not intentionally left out of the console.

I always thought if ZOS wanted ESO to last longer than a year on console they were going to have to address two things.
1] The broken CP system... [Well they are doing that]
2] Text Chat would need to be added to the game.. [Guess we will have to wait and see]

Jumper45

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I think I'm going to drop my monthly sub until we hear either way about text chat. Really don't see why I should support a company that can't even be bothered to acknowledge a 70+ page thread.

To be fair they pushed me to this thread and locked mine so they atleast know about it lol. But then I dont know whats worse. Knowing its there and not responding or atleast knowing its there.