Is the Dragonknight underpowered?

Sozzy

Hi guys, just wanted to get your opinions on whether the Dragonknight is an underpowered class, especially compared to the Nightblade. The amount of times I get into a fight with a Nightblade (there seems to be a lot of them on PS4) I just can't seem to keep up if we're similar levels. He's jumping here and there getting lots of attacks in and the only thing I seem to able to do is swing my maul at them? And then if I do happen to start winning, they will just cloak off and I've wasted my times.

Sorry if I sound like a whinger but I just wanted to know if it was just me who felt like this, and if it is, what do I need to get better? Cheers.

Sozzy

Oh and I'm a level 47 DK who Uses 2H and bow. My skill bars are

2H: Burning Embers, Wrecking Blow, Volatile Armor, Reverse Slash and Coagulating Blood. Standard of Might ultimate

Bow: Venom Arrow, Volatile Armor, Coagulating Blood, Flames of Oblivion and Inhale. Take flight Ultimate

TheBull

No OP. At this point in the game all 4 classes can be played at a wide range of levels, from pretty awful to amazing.

Farorin

DK is very strong. It doesn't have escapes like NB or Sorc, but that is because a flaming bastion of death and destruction isn't supposed to want to run away from a fight.

DKs are very hard to take down, second only to sorcs, and have great DPS, CC, and DOTS. In my opinion anyway.

tinythinker

Farorin wrote: »

DK is very strong. It doesn't have escapes like NB or Sorc, but that is because a flaming bastion of death and destruction isn't supposed to want to run away from a fight.

DKs are very hard to take down, second only to sorcs, and have great DPS, CC, and DOTS. In my opinion anyway.

Mine tries to run away but gets cut down fast.

elephunky

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Ahzek

@Sozzy at your level both character and skill wise (assumption form your post, might very well not be true) pretty much anything will be stronger than you as long as it has several levels on you. Yes nightblades are a very mobile class due to shadow image and cloak and it can be hard for DKs to keep up with that, however Dks take a spot in their own right and provide excellent damage with great defensive possibilities if played and geared accordingly. They are certainly not underpowered, though the lack of an escape makes soloing quite a challenge sometimes.
That said NBs are probably the top tier class at the moment followed closely by sorcs, but DKs arent that far behind ( unlike no Jeebus beam templars).

Also since you are playing on console keep in mind that Zeni gave you a big F U with PC players transferring over their full acounts including champion points and characters, so whenever you get entirely demolished by someone repeatedly it might very well be, because they have noz only way more experience, but also because they are effectievley way more powerfull than you will be for several months to come.

Note : Do NOT use this as a cop-out when dieing please, as this will in no way help you improve your game. Instead ask those people you see kill others repeatadly for help and advice and you might very well be on your way to impoving a lot, since some advice is not as obvious as it may seem

PhatGrimReaper

The major downside to DKs is mobility, I suggest trying out Vampirism..... it absolutely sucks until you max the skill line, but the skill line provides good mobility with Elusive Mist & the Dark Stalker passive. It gives you a little more tankiness and sustain with the Supernatural Recovery & Undeath passives. Also, it gives you a low cost, powerful & portable ultimate with Devouring Swarm.

The extra fire damage is a bit of a pain, but with a little caution/awareness and a Flame Resist Glyph or two, the pluses far outweigh the cons.

GideonxJura

Each class is geared to fit your play style and personality. Take me for instance, I am straight forward, therefore I am a dragonknight, I charge in and fight face to face, man to man.

Nightblade is for those who like to stab others in the back, passive aggressive, and like to give up and run when things get tough, cowards in other words.

So if hiding like you are scared of the boogeyman from your opponents and waiting to gank somebody sounds like your thing, be a nightblade, if you like to stand and fight, be a dragonknight.

Master_Kas

GideonxJura wrote: »

Each class is geared to fit your play style and personality. Take me for instance, I am straight forward, therefore I am a dragonknight, I charge in and fight face to face, man to man.

Nightblade is for those who like to stab others in the back, passive aggressive, and like to give up and run when things get tough, cowards in other words.

So if hiding like you are scared of the boogeyman from your opponents and waiting to gank somebody sounds like your thing, be a nightblade, if you like to stand and fight, be a dragonknight.

Correction. You can stay up and fight, and kill ANY class as nightblade.
Then leave when the enemy zerg / group of players come your way Instead of dying and playing horse stimulator

Shunravi

GideonxJura wrote: »

Each class is geared to fit your play style and personality. Take me for instance, I am straight forward, therefore I am a dragonknight, I charge in and fight face to face, man to man.

Nightblade is for those who like to stab others in the back, passive aggressive, and like to give up and run when things get tough, cowards in other words.

So if hiding like you are scared of the boogeyman from your opponents and waiting to gank somebody sounds like your thing, be a nightblade, if you like to stand and fight, be a dragonknight.

Wow... you have never seen a sap tank have you?

cazlonb16_ESO

The players on EU PC don't seem to think so. There's been a strong resurgance of DKs - Flappy wings everywhere, almost to the same extent as before 1.6.

Kas

all stamina builds pale im comparison to stamina nightblades.
all magicka builds got nothing on magicka sorcs when soloing.

in groups, magicka versions of all classes combined with stamina nightblades and maybe stamina dk's will do very well. dk's (i prefer magicka) make awesome leaders in those situations. even when nerfed, talons and reflect are the best "assist leader" aresenal in the game, imho

strikeback1247

Fully geared DK tanks are pretty much unkillable. I've seen them run through 15+ people and staying at more than 50% hp all the time.Then after 30 seconds of chasing he finally dies because everyone uses their ultimates on him. But I guess you're more aiming for a DPS DK so I don't really know :P

Leandor

Running two bars full of damage & utility without even a single CC will get you rekt on any and all classes.

Sozzy

In all honesty, I don't even know what CC skills the DK has?

Kas

Sozzy wrote: »

In all honesty, I don't even know what CC skills the DK has?

talons, stone fist, petrify, (ash cloud snare), all non-class-skill CC's (eg. invasion, power bash, magnum shot, volcanic rune and many more)

Leandor

Kas wrote: »

Sozzy wrote: »

In all honesty, I don't even know what CC skills the DK has?

talons, stone fist, petrify, (ash cloud snare), all non-class-skill CC's (eg. invasion, power bash, magnum shot, volcanic rune and many more)

SMH.... Listing magnum shot but not Bombard. Bad @Kas!

Sozzy

Yeah I did have petrify on but when I used it to try and CC someone it said the player was immune so I just thought You couldn't do it on PvP.

Kas

Leandor wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Sozzy wrote: »

In all honesty, I don't even know what CC skills the DK has?

talons, stone fist, petrify, (ash cloud snare), all non-class-skill CC's (eg. invasion, power bash, magnum shot, volcanic rune and many more)

SMH.... Listing magnum shot but not Bombard. Bad @Kas!

it's in the many-more part :P
silver bolts + fear circle vs undead, tame beast, meteor knockback, destructive reach, wrecking blow, defensive stance reflect, flying blade snare are also missing

Leandor

Kas wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Sozzy wrote: »

In all honesty, I don't even know what CC skills the DK has?

talons, stone fist, petrify, (ash cloud snare), all non-class-skill CC's (eg. invasion, power bash, magnum shot, volcanic rune and many more)

SMH.... Listing magnum shot but not Bombard. Bad @Kas!

it's in the many-more part :P
silver bolts + fear circle vs undead, tame beast, meteor knockback, destructive reach, wrecking blow, defensive stance reflect, flying blade snare are also missing

But, but, but, Bombard is seriously that good. It deserves to be up there at the front.

Sozzy

Alright I'll reset my skills and give them a go, cheers people.

Joy_Division

Kas wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Sozzy wrote: »

In all honesty, I don't even know what CC skills the DK has?

talons, stone fist, petrify, (ash cloud snare), all non-class-skill CC's (eg. invasion, power bash, magnum shot, volcanic rune and many more)

SMH.... Listing magnum shot but not Bombard. Bad @Kas!

it's in the many-more part :P
silver bolts + fear circle vs undead, tame beast, meteor knockback, destructive reach, wrecking blow, defensive stance reflect, flying blade snare are also missing

lol, wut?

Sozzy

Right I've reset my skills, now I have:

2H: Dizzying Swing, Hardened Armor, Obsidian Shield, Fossilize, Green Dragon Blood with Standard of Might ultimate
(Seems tank enough?)

Bow: Venom Arrow, Arrow Spray, Green Dragon Blood, Scatter Shot, Hardened Armor with Ferocious Leap ultimate

I've got as many of the passive a as I can as well.
How does that sound to you guys then?

Leandor

On your bow bar, use dragon scales instead of hardened armor. Defense against ranged attacks seems more important than a pure armor buff to me.

Rylana

DK is not underpowered, but its getting relegated to pre 1.3 templar status pretty quickly.

The class cant handle another nerf to any of its core skills or it wont be competitively viable in PvP gameplay anymore.

PvE the class still has the potential to do so much DPS your head will spin.

sicc

You should be using crit charge, wrecking blow, executioner, fossilize and rally in your 2h bar imo. I mean crit charge then fossilize and follow with a wrecking blow executioner and its gg. On your bow bar id run poison injection, shuffle, igneous shield, and green dragon blood. I use elusive mist on my bow bar also for the dodge roll mist combo.

This is all from a pvp perspective and just my imo but I wreck in pvp on my dk with that setup.

Sozzy

@sicc although that looks like an awesome amount of dos, without a shield skill, I would probably die before I could use all that

Draxys

Nah it's just that stam NB damage is through the roof (even against heavy armor users like myself), especially combined with a clearly overpowered CC in fear

JDar

GideonxJura wrote: »

Each class is geared to fit your play style and personality. Take me for instance, I am straight forward, therefore I am a dragonknight, I charge in and fight face to face, man to man.

Nightblade is for those who like to stab others in the back, passive aggressive, and like to give up and run when things get tough, cowards in other words.

So if hiding like you are scared of the boogeyman from your opponents and waiting to gank somebody sounds like your thing, be a nightblade, if you like to stand and fight, be a dragonknight.

LOL

Sounds like you have been getting rekt by nightblades a lot

Xael

Sozzy wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to get your opinions on whether the Dragonknight is an underpowered class, especially compared to the Nightblade. The amount of times I get into a fight with a Nightblade (there seems to be a lot of them on PS4) I just can't seem to keep up if we're similar levels. He's jumping here and there getting lots of attacks in and the only thing I seem to able to do is swing my maul at them? And then if I do happen to start winning, they will just cloak off and I've wasted my times.

Sorry if I sound like a whinger but I just wanted to know if it was just me who felt like this, and if it is, what do I need to get better? Cheers.

You are asking a biased and myopic group of whining people what is overpowered or underpowered? Good luck on your journeys.

DKs are and have always been very strong.