Is Templar really a "trash" solo pvp class?

Docmandu

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

dark flare with its 1.3sec delay...isn't viable in PvP.
(should be instant)

lol.. that would make it better than Crystal Frags... heal debuff, high damage and insta cast... glad you're not in Eric Wroble's chair!

Zsymon

Docmandu wrote: »

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

dark flare with its 1.3sec delay...isn't viable in PvP.
(should be instant)

lol.. that would make it better than Crystal Frags... heal debuff, high damage and insta cast... glad you're not in Eric Wroble's chair!

How is that better than Crystal Frags, with its 20% higher damage, 50% lower cost, insta cast, faster travel, and a 2s hard stun. Crystal Frags is still twice as good as an instant cast Dark Flare.

ToRelax

Zsymon wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

dark flare with its 1.3sec delay...isn't viable in PvP.
(should be instant)

lol.. that would make it better than Crystal Frags... heal debuff, high damage and insta cast... glad you're not in Eric Wroble's chair!

How is that better than Crystal Frags, with its 20% higher damage, 50% lower cost, insta cast, faster travel, and a 2s hard stun. Crystal Frags is still twice as good as an instant cast Dark Flare.

Because you can't spam Crystal Fragments.

Kupoking

I'm looking at templar build that are NOT support/healers and are geared towards skirmishes or soloing.

On a Tanky build perspective
-With the new changes to bubbles and blocking my Heavy armor magika tanky templar is pretty much over (Was hit pretty bad when 1.6 stuck, came back a bit better once I reached 200 CP, but still pretty avg. Now it wont be viable anymore).
-As of being a tank in pvp without good bubbles you lack of an AOE cc ability like fear/talons/streak stun. Blazing shield wont kill anyone. You could be a tanky healer still but good luck killing people.

On a stam build perspective
-As of its stamplar build it was pretty okay until I tried a similar build on my DK which seems to do much better although my DK is Dunmer and my templar orc.
-Its main PROs are the 10% bonus dmg to crit dmg and blocking targets + Bonus to Weapon Damage passives.
-Seems like Igneous Shield is much much better than Sun Shield/Morphs as it has similar/better value, last longer and hives +heal buff which stacks well with rally.
-Templar also lacks of an aoe stun like DKs Leap (NB/Sorc got an aoe stun ult too) which makes them poor dual wielders. This makes it extremely hard to go 1 vs many or be some sort of zerg-buster.
-2h/Bow templar seems to be the way to go as far as stam is concerned, but its a bit more difficult to play IMO and requires you to play a bit more passive. Cant really go ult in and spam aoe like some NB and DK does, you have to aoe to keep pressure on then cherrypick targets one by one more.
-Some people use Binding Javelin instead of Wrecking blow or NBs Hidden blade on their 2h bar in order to hard CC a target then use Crit charge/execute combo. But good luck using that versus 1.6 tanks and with next patch's small nerf to damage.
-Biting Jabs giving CC immunity is a real plain in the rear to manage, especially when you try to use Binding Javelin for hard-cc
-Most people go vamp with this.

Pure Magika Perspective
-I think Nuking Templars are going to be the way to go.
-You can still sorta bubble-stack with a mix of heals although all of those defensive weapons are nerfed.
-Dark Flare/Total dark/Radiant Beam are still solid options past next patch.
-Then again, I strongly suggest going vamp for mobility and a better ult.

To Summarize:
-Ults are less interesting for a non support role.
-Lack of AoE CC
-Overall harder to reach equal effectiveness as other cookie cutter counterparts
-Most people go Vamp to 'patch' the class' weaknesses.
-IMHO : Nuker>Stamina>Tanky
-No real cookie-cutter build

Rhakon

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm looking at templar build that are NOT support/healers and are geared towards skirmishes or soloing.

On a Tanky build perspective
-With the new changes to bubbles and blocking my Heavy armor magika tanky templar is pretty much over (Was hit pretty bad when 1.6 stuck, came back a bit better once I reached 200 CP, but still pretty avg. Now it wont be viable anymore).
-As of being a tank in pvp without good bubbles you lack of an AOE cc ability like fear/talons/streak stun. Blazing shield wont kill anyone. You could be a tanky healer still but good luck killing people.

On a stam build perspective
-As of its stamplar build it was pretty okay until I tried a similar build on my DK which seems to do much better although my DK is Dunmer and my templar orc.
-Its main PROs are the 10% bonus dmg to crit dmg and blocking targets + Bonus to Weapon Damage passives.
-Seems like Igneous Shield is much much better than Sun Shield/Morphs as it has similar/better value, last longer and hives +heal buff which stacks well with rally.
-Templar also lacks of an aoe stun like DKs Leap (NB/Sorc got an aoe stun ult too) which makes them poor dual wielders. This makes it extremely hard to go 1 vs many or be some sort of zerg-buster.
-2h/Bow templar seems to be the way to go as far as stam is concerned, but its a bit more difficult to play IMO and requires you to play a bit more passive. Cant really go ult in and spam aoe like some NB and DK does, you have to aoe to keep pressure on then cherrypick targets one by one more.
-Some people use Binding Javelin instead of Wrecking blow or NBs Hidden blade on their 2h bar in order to hard CC a target then use Crit charge/execute combo. But good luck using that versus 1.6 tanks and with next patch's small nerf to damage.
-Biting Jabs giving CC immunity is a real plain in the rear to manage, especially when you try to use Binding Javelin for hard-cc
-Most people go vamp with this.

Pure Magika Perspective
-I think Nuking Templars are going to be the way to go.
-You can still sorta bubble-stack with a mix of heals although all of those defensive weapons are nerfed.
-Dark Flare/Total dark/Radiant Beam are still solid options past next patch.
-Then again, I strongly suggest going vamp for mobility and a better ult.

To Summarize:
-Ults are less interesting for a non support role.
-Lack of AoE CC
-Overall harder to reach equal effectiveness as other cookie cutter counterparts
-Most people go Vamp to 'patch' the class' weaknesses.
-IMHO : Nuker>Stamina>Tanky
-No real cookie-cutter build

100% agree!

wafcatb14_ESO

wouldn`t solar barrage + steel tornado be a good DW aoe combo but still we don`t have a aoe CC

Sile

wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »

wouldn`t solar barrage + steel tornado be a good DW aoe combo but still we don`t have a aoe CC

Magicka & Spell Damage scaling skill + Stam & Weapon Power scaling skill = no

Templars could do with some love in the synergy of their class trees. For example, a Stam based morph of Repentance would be fantastic, since the difference in stam restore between a magicka and stam temp is 5k and 1k respectively. While we're at it, Honor of the Dead = Stam Morph, yesplz. Compared to say GDB, while both skills use Magicka, BoL or Honor of the Dead both scale off magicka, where as GDB scales with missing HP. While this puts Stamplars in the same boat as NB or sorcs, Templars don't have a disengage ability to buy them time for skills such as Vigor or Rally to tick.

Blazing shield needs to scale off something other than HP, perhaps scaling it just like the other shielding skills, such as hardened ward, or absorb magicka. At 30% of HP, when *most*, but not all PvP builds sail near the 25k mark, that only provides a shield of 7500, when the other shields push north of 9k fairly easily.

Templar AOE skills can do crummy DPS too, great example is Blazing Spears, the DoT tick is tiny.

Slow travel time on almost all Templar ranged skills becomes fairly noticable when casting more than 20m. I don't see why the Templar skills can't travel at the same speed as Crystal Frags.

Dark Flare is really good, with a shorter cast time than Frags, but honestly, only bad sorcs chain hardcast frags in PvP. Even with the Major Defile, a hard CC is stronger when it comes down to bursting, than a 20% heal debuff. The only real way to make it comparable without making it instant cast would be to further lower the cast time to under 1s, to say 0.8.

Templars do have some of the best soft AoE CC in the form of Solar Prison, but it's an expensive Ult, and not even close to the CC from Soul Tether or a Leap. The closest thing on that level is Gravity Crush, which costs twice as much and requires a synergy activation. That said, GCrush is very nice.

TLDR Templar has some great skills, but the class synergy is pretty mediocre with several playstyles which severely limits Templars in overall performance.

STLDR; Templars support best.

Cinbri

Sile wrote: »

Slow travel time on almost all Templar ranged skills becomes fairly noticable when casting more than 20m. I don't see why the Templar skills can't travel at the same speed as Crystal Frags.

At least Sun Fire will be fixed as we can see on latest ESO Live. For now 1 roll on max distance can dodge 4 projectiles - very stupid.

Kupoking

wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »

wouldn`t solar barrage + steel tornado be a good DW aoe combo but still we don`t have a aoe CC

Well, the damage of solar barage is minimal. You lose your damage sustainability just casting this once or twice.

Solar barrage works well with heavy hitting abilities like prox det, but even then, nb in cloak or stealth will hit for more.

Oh and with the aoe caps, the six targets you hit arent the same on the next attack, making the burst kinda clumsy.

Solar barrage needs a change imo. Everytime I test it I am disapointed with results.

Ov3rkiIL

My Templar build is designed to push into the enemy zerg, knock them all down, and not die.
I don't kill anything, I just break their front line and make them scatter letting the others kill them.

Templar is a good class to have if you are a PvP Guild Leader, or PvP group leader.

TheElementalPlatypus

eliisra wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

Back in 1.5 most of them played DK, than rerolled to new fotm of course.

People not rerolling fotm, will always be told they're suffering from l2p issues. That's just ESO, been going on since launch.

Than there's Templars in 1.6. We clearly cant fill the role of main protagonist that well in a 1v1 or 1vX video. It's the worse solo class right now.

It's a great class for small groups, raids and ofc Jesus Beam could probably use a nerf. But for roaming around solo, it's a very poor choice compared to NB + sorc. There's really nothing to discuss. Even most of the "templars are fine l2p" crowd will agree on that, thinking we should just settle for being the best healers, beamers, instead of crying about lack of individual strength.

Said well.

To put it even simpler, the difference between fotm classes and non fotm classes is MASSSSSSIVVEEEE.

timidobserver

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Burning spear is one of the best stuns in the game as a Templar and should be used regardless of spec much like rad op can be effective on stam builds. So templars do have cc. Also it sucks but to be effective solo you need to be a dunmer vamp olim sorry but elusive mist and bats are just too strong in group or solo play mist especially considering cc immune speed buff and when you come out the Templar heals. Accept that there is a meta to each class and the Templar meta is light armor with destroy restore setup and your finger basicly hiring burning spear far more than you would like to but its your anti nb.

Somebody doesn't play a Templar but is pretending that they do. We do not have a spell called burning spear.

Vynist

I have been pvp'ing a lot on my new stamina Templar, and here is a few things I've noticed compared to my Nightblade:

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1.) Right off the bat, my stamina management is at a disadvantage on my Stamplar. My Nightblade gets 30% stam regen and Templar passives feel very weak in comparison.

2.) My Nightblade can easily run 2500 weapon damage (buffed) with 2000+ stam regen (drinks). This is a fairly balanced build. On my Stamplar, in order to achieve the same amount of burst potential, I literally run 28k stam (food), 3.4k weapon damage (buffed), and 800 stam regen. I do all this to get the same burst as my Nightblade... and my Nightblade isn't even v14 lol.

3.) My main damage on Stamplar is Biting Jabs, which I really really enjoy using I might add. My Nightblade has an advantage though because I can roll dodge-cancel Surprise Attack, less dps but waaaayy less exposed especially in 1vX'ing. Also, Jabs is waaaaay too easy to avoid.

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I am NOT complaining about my Stamplar build, I absolutely love it. These are just things I've noticed in comparison to my nightblade.

Rhaegar75

a noob question: why not using, for a magicka Templar, destro staff?

Joy_Division

It's not a trash class, just a very frustrating one to play in that if you make one mistake trying to play a light armor templar, you are pretty much dead as the class has no built in escape and its burst damage relies on either wonky mechanics or channeled casts.

danno8

This is one of the funniest and most accurate visual depictions of the Templar class vs. other classes so I will juts repost it here:

jnjdun_ESO wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Quit whining. Templar is BY FAR the most OP class in the game right now. Every other class got nerfed to crap, you got all kinds of buffs and you're still whining about it! Give me a freaking break!

This thread is 27 pages long and you think we don’t have legitimate complaints?
I'm not going to go over everything that's already been said here repeatedly, but the class is clunky and not fun to play compared to the other three classes.

Let me give you a visual representation of the four ESO classes.

First we have Dragonknights:


Then we have sorcs:


And Nightblades:


And finally we have Templars:


Let me guess:

You got killed by Radiant Oppression in cyro and saw a big number and immediately yelled, "OP!"

Kupoking

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

a noob question: why not using, for a magicka Templar, destro staff?

It isnt a noob question.

Nuking magika templar often use destro staff for impulse and crushing shock. Personally though I prefer DW for extra spell power

Kupoking

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

Back in 1.5 most of them played DK, than rerolled to new fotm of course.

People not rerolling fotm, will always be told they're suffering from l2p issues. That's just ESO, been going on since launch.

Than there's Templars in 1.6. We clearly cant fill the role of main protagonist that well in a 1v1 or 1vX video. It's the worse solo class right now.

It's a great class for small groups, raids and ofc Jesus Beam could probably use a nerf. But for roaming around solo, it's a very poor choice compared to NB + sorc. There's really nothing to discuss. Even most of the "templars are fine l2p" crowd will agree on that, thinking we should just settle for being the best healers, beamers, instead of crying about lack of individual strength.

Said well.

To put it even simpler, the difference between fotm classes and non fotm classes is MASSSSSSIVVEEEE.

Dude dont get me wrong. Even though templars are no fotm does not meam they arent good nor competitive.

In a dueling competition I would bring my stam templar over my stam dk any day. Their 1v1 potential is amazing and it can do a lot of stuff well.

The reason it isnt fotm is because the stamplar is a hard to learn and hard to master type. Once mastered though, you can go toe to toe with any other stam counterpart.

TheElementalPlatypus

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

Back in 1.5 most of them played DK, than rerolled to new fotm of course.

People not rerolling fotm, will always be told they're suffering from l2p issues. That's just ESO, been going on since launch.

Than there's Templars in 1.6. We clearly cant fill the role of main protagonist that well in a 1v1 or 1vX video. It's the worse solo class right now.

It's a great class for small groups, raids and ofc Jesus Beam could probably use a nerf. But for roaming around solo, it's a very poor choice compared to NB + sorc. There's really nothing to discuss. Even most of the "templars are fine l2p" crowd will agree on that, thinking we should just settle for being the best healers, beamers, instead of crying about lack of individual strength.

Said well.

To put it even simpler, the difference between fotm classes and non fotm classes is MASSSSSSIVVEEEE.

Dude dont get me wrong. Even though templars are no fotm does not meam they arent good nor competitive.

In a dueling competition I would bring my stam templar over my stam dk any day. Their 1v1 potential is amazing and it can do a lot of stuff well.

The reason it isnt fotm is because the stamplar is a hard to learn and hard to master type. Once mastered though, you can go toe to toe with any other stam counterpart.

This game doesnt revolve around 1v1, and any good player on any other stamina build or magic build can also shut out templars extremely easy. Blabafat is one of if not the best templar I know of, yet I'm able to shut him out on my sorc/NB extremely easily, while he has to play extremely well, and actually think about his burst. 1v1 doesnt describe a class, and it never should, which it seems is what you're basing your entire perspective of templar around.

Rhaegar75

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

a noob question: why not using, for a magicka Templar, destro staff?

It isnt a noob question.

Nuking magika templar often use destro staff for impulse and crushing shock. Personally though I prefer DW for extra spell power

thanks houimetub17_ESO: how is it that DW give extra spell power? ty

Kupoking

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

a noob question: why not using, for a magicka Templar, destro staff?

It isnt a noob question.

Nuking magika templar often use destro staff for impulse and crushing shock. Personally though I prefer DW for extra spell power

thanks houimetub17_ESO: how is it that DW give extra spell power? ty

For some reason I'm unsure why, its been coded when you are dual wielding your spell power goes up.

Its been acknowledged by ZoS and apparently they seem to be saying that its OK and that they would not remove it because its not overly OP.

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

Back in 1.5 most of them played DK, than rerolled to new fotm of course.

People not rerolling fotm, will always be told they're suffering from l2p issues. That's just ESO, been going on since launch.

Than there's Templars in 1.6. We clearly cant fill the role of main protagonist that well in a 1v1 or 1vX video. It's the worse solo class right now.

It's a great class for small groups, raids and ofc Jesus Beam could probably use a nerf. But for roaming around solo, it's a very poor choice compared to NB + sorc. There's really nothing to discuss. Even most of the "templars are fine l2p" crowd will agree on that, thinking we should just settle for being the best healers, beamers, instead of crying about lack of individual strength.

Said well.

To put it even simpler, the difference between fotm classes and non fotm classes is MASSSSSSIVVEEEE.

Dude dont get me wrong. Even though templars are no fotm does not meam they arent good nor competitive.

In a dueling competition I would bring my stam templar over my stam dk any day. Their 1v1 potential is amazing and it can do a lot of stuff well.

The reason it isnt fotm is because the stamplar is a hard to learn and hard to master type. Once mastered though, you can go toe to toe with any other stam counterpart.

This game doesnt revolve around 1v1, and any good player on any other stamina build or magic build can also shut out templars extremely easy. Blabafat is one of if not the best templar I know of, yet I'm able to shut him out on my sorc/NB extremely easily, while he has to play extremely well, and actually think about his burst. 1v1 doesnt describe a class, and it never should, which it seems is what you're basing your entire perspective of templar around.

You are right about 1v1 arguement. But the whole 'templar can be shut down easy, even the best ones' thing isnt.

I'm telling you, I've killed a LOT of big names on my stam templar. I've got also killed by a lot of avg joes too.

What i'm saying is that talking about hypothetical situations on the forums doesn't mean anything. The truth is, that this style of templar is extremely hard to master. I make 1 mistake I am screwed (move screwed than I would be on my NB or DK). But I can manage to find a way to win.

Im not saying that templar doesnt need a few tweaks? Nah it probably needs a few.

But telling that Templars will always get shut down is a big fat lie.

Soris

1v1 tempars are good. Definitely not easy targets. I know from myself, as a dueler
But open world pvp can be messy when you are solo and outnumbered.
And I take my hat off to those who publish solo templar pwnage videos. It's definitely not easy.

Vynist

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

Back in 1.5 most of them played DK, than rerolled to new fotm of course.

People not rerolling fotm, will always be told they're suffering from l2p issues. That's just ESO, been going on since launch.

Than there's Templars in 1.6. We clearly cant fill the role of main protagonist that well in a 1v1 or 1vX video. It's the worse solo class right now.

It's a great class for small groups, raids and ofc Jesus Beam could probably use a nerf. But for roaming around solo, it's a very poor choice compared to NB + sorc. There's really nothing to discuss. Even most of the "templars are fine l2p" crowd will agree on that, thinking we should just settle for being the best healers, beamers, instead of crying about lack of individual strength.

Said well.

To put it even simpler, the difference between fotm classes and non fotm classes is MASSSSSSIVVEEEE.

Dude dont get me wrong. Even though templars are no fotm does not meam they arent good nor competitive.

In a dueling competition I would bring my stam templar over my stam dk any day. Their 1v1 potential is amazing and it can do a lot of stuff well.

The reason it isnt fotm is because the stamplar is a hard to learn and hard to master type. Once mastered though, you can go toe to toe with any other stam counterpart.

This game doesnt revolve around 1v1, and any good player on any other stamina build or magic build can also shut out templars extremely easy. Blabafat is one of if not the best templar I know of, yet I'm able to shut him out on my sorc/NB extremely easily, while he has to play extremely well, and actually think about his burst. 1v1 doesnt describe a class, and it never should, which it seems is what you're basing your entire perspective of templar around.

Just curious if I've ever seen you ingame before, what is your @name and player name?

TheElementalPlatypus

Vynist wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

Back in 1.5 most of them played DK, than rerolled to new fotm of course.

People not rerolling fotm, will always be told they're suffering from l2p issues. That's just ESO, been going on since launch.

Than there's Templars in 1.6. We clearly cant fill the role of main protagonist that well in a 1v1 or 1vX video. It's the worse solo class right now.

It's a great class for small groups, raids and ofc Jesus Beam could probably use a nerf. But for roaming around solo, it's a very poor choice compared to NB + sorc. There's really nothing to discuss. Even most of the "templars are fine l2p" crowd will agree on that, thinking we should just settle for being the best healers, beamers, instead of crying about lack of individual strength.

Said well.

To put it even simpler, the difference between fotm classes and non fotm classes is MASSSSSSIVVEEEE.

Dude dont get me wrong. Even though templars are no fotm does not meam they arent good nor competitive.

In a dueling competition I would bring my stam templar over my stam dk any day. Their 1v1 potential is amazing and it can do a lot of stuff well.

The reason it isnt fotm is because the stamplar is a hard to learn and hard to master type. Once mastered though, you can go toe to toe with any other stam counterpart.

This game doesnt revolve around 1v1, and any good player on any other stamina build or magic build can also shut out templars extremely easy. Blabafat is one of if not the best templar I know of, yet I'm able to shut him out on my sorc/NB extremely easily, while he has to play extremely well, and actually think about his burst. 1v1 doesnt describe a class, and it never should, which it seems is what you're basing your entire perspective of templar around.

Just curious if I've ever seen you ingame before, what is your @name and player name?

@TheElementalPlatypus - DC sorc v14 Vaferi EP NB v14 Elemental

Kas

Soris wrote: »

1v1 tempars are good. Definitely not easy targets. I know from myself, as a dueler
But open world pvp can be messy when you are solo and outnumbered.
And I take my hat off to those who publish solo templar pwnage videos. It's definitely not easy.

imho publishing pwnage videos is easy. streaming would be much harder.
when i run around for a day, i'll easily get enough footaage for a 20min pwnage video. sometimes even well-know enemies try out new builds that don't work, have lag or make mistakes. soemtimes they are low on reosurces when you meet them. very often you meet groups of 4+ with zero or only 1 decent player.
if you cut away all the pain you experience whiel soloing, there's always some pwnage left to compile in a video.

Joy_Division

Kas wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

1v1 tempars are good. Definitely not easy targets. I know from myself, as a dueler
But open world pvp can be messy when you are solo and outnumbered.
And I take my hat off to those who publish solo templar pwnage videos. It's definitely not easy.

imho publishing pwnage videos is easy. streaming would be much harder.
when i run around for a day, i'll easily get enough footaage for a 20min pwnage video. sometimes even well-know enemies try out new builds that don't work, have lag or make mistakes. soemtimes they are low on reosurces when you meet them. very often you meet groups of 4+ with zero or only 1 decent player.
if you cut away all the pain you experience whiel soloing, there's always some pwnage left to compile in a video.

True dat, but that pain can be real.

Minno

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

temps need a good CC (besides blazing spear).
They are just too tempting to go after ...

Also, they need better resource management passives.
I still don't have 1/2 my passives..because they aren't (quite) useful...while my Dk and Nb (have all).

And finally, they need dps love.
dark flare with its 1.3sec delay...isn't viable in PvP.
(should be instant)


Please give temps love
not nerf (shields)...
ST

Dark flares strength comes from it being a combo starter.

Vynist

timidobserver wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Burning spear is one of the best stuns in the game as a Templar and should be used regardless of spec much like rad op can be effective on stam builds. So templars do have cc. Also it sucks but to be effective solo you need to be a dunmer vamp olim sorry but elusive mist and bats are just too strong in group or solo play mist especially considering cc immune speed buff and when you come out the Templar heals. Accept that there is a meta to each class and the Templar meta is light armor with destroy restore setup and your finger basicly hiring burning spear far more than you would like to but its your anti nb.

Somebody doesn't play a Templar but is pretending that they do. We do not have a spell called burning spear.

lulz!

LotusBladedancer

To answer... yes

I run a stamina dps Templar, thinking i'd play a 'Holy warrior' build but it lacks everything the other classes have..

All heals are Magica based, so using them does pittifull damage, no armour defence spells (like mage armour or spiked armour...)
Got him to 30, tried him in newbie pvp and it's just a free kill for other players-useless unless you are a healer :-)

Biting Jabs is amazing, sadly we have no decent cc skill, the the Biting Jabs skill is wasted...

JOE_WILLIE

My personal opinion on Templars, as a Magicka templar, is they are terrible in comparison. Yeah you can make arguments on how they're useful in PVE and how they can even dominate in PVP. Although the average PVP player cannot effectively use a Templar.

P.S if you do intend on using a Templar they don't get playable until level 35-40 so stick it out!