Is Templar really a "trash" solo pvp class?

Xqluded

Lots of negativity on templars and you never see them as emperor or anything like that. Is it really that bad for pvp if its not a healer? Let's say an equally skilled Templar with equal gear and CP is going 1v1 with another class does he honestly stand a chance against the other 3 classes?

Cinbri

For now, yes, it worst solo pvp class. But PTS promised soon™, so lets see till then.

Soris

It isn't trash. It is just average and you feel its limits when it comes to solo play and 1vX. I mean if you compare templar builds with other class builds, for example Templar vs NB for stamina builds and Temlar vs Sorc for magicka builds, templar stays behind them for various reasons. Same for DKs. DK and templar had the least benefit from 1.6.
They were good before that and hopefully update 7 will give us some love again.

But that doesn't mean you are just a hopeless target dummy. You can indeed do amazing things with it when the stars align.

pitkanencomplexeb17_ESO

Yes, it is.

Francescolg

Soris wrote: »

templar had the least benefit from 1.6.

This is the polite way to explain it..

Templars got 3 of their most-powerful skills "removed" or "nurfed to unusefullness" with the last patch: Radiant Aura, Blazing Shield and their only significant AoE-CC: Blinding Flashes.

A skilled (Immov. using) Sorcerer can play with a Templar like a Cat with a Mice, except that even a mice has better escapeability than a Templar without his Blazing Shield, without his AE-CC he got before 1.6. Not to mention Nightblades, which kill you instantly, without a functioning Blazing Shield, without going deeply into heavy armor + Nirnh., but even then they get your armor down by ~70%+, which is too much.

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

This from a magicka-templar in light armor perspective. On the other hand, stamina templars are said to work better.

eliisra

Francescolg wrote: »

Most pro-templar arguing people (post 1.6), many have "unserious" account names like @Hahameesocool or @Bigbigdig or @Chuchutrain, will argue that templars are still fine and post PvP-movies for proof (most of them play a vampire templar). I won't comment on that.

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

Back in 1.5 most of them played DK, than rerolled to new fotm of course.

People not rerolling fotm, will always be told they're suffering from l2p issues. That's just ESO, been going on since launch.

Than there's Templars in 1.6. We clearly cant fill the role of main protagonist that well in a 1v1 or 1vX video. It's the worse solo class right now.

It's a great class for small groups, raids and ofc Jesus Beam could probably use a nerf. But for roaming around solo, it's a very poor choice compared to NB + sorc. There's really nothing to discuss. Even most of the "templars are fine l2p" crowd will agree on that, thinking we should just settle for being the best healers, beamers, instead of crying about lack of individual strength.

Francescolg

eliisra wrote: »

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

You did not understand me. I am not saying that everything is fine with templars!

I am talking about "the image" of templars, which remains uncanny thanks to a whole series of 1vsX-templar videos that came right after 1.6. was published from a certain player.

Newer players will watch that 1vsX Videos and forget about what 1.6. did to templars. And they'll think "everything is fine with that class" and even ZOS will not notice any problems. They'll tell ya: everything is fine! Similar to the "Jesus-Beam effect".
At the current situation of templars, it is not helpful to the class's "wishes for buffs/improvements", if some players keep posting imba-templar-pvp videos. That is what I meant. Put that together with the imba-Jesus Beam and make your conclusions, whether a templar-buff or a further templar-nurf will soon occur.. (I'd say that any buff, or fix, is highly improbable, even blazing shield won't be buffed!)

/edit I'll send you a link. I'll not do any name-calling here in the forums. Templars don't have such a strong-lobby of criers like Sorcerers do (the anti-bolt escape-nurf mob).

Emma_Overload

Francescolg wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Post what videos lol? About 99% of all streamers, "e- famous" PvP'ers, competitive PvP'ers and video makers in 1.6 plays sorc or NB.

You did not understand me. I am not saying that everything is fine with templars!

I am talking about "the image" of templars, which remains uncanny thanks to a whole series of 1vsX-templar videos that came right after 1.6. was published from a certain player.

Newer players will watch that 1vsX Videos and forget about what 1.6. did to templars. And they'll think "everything is fine" and even ZOS will not notice any problem. They'll tell ya: everything is fine!
In the current state of templars, it is not helpful to the class's "wish for buffs", if you keep posting imba-templar-pvp videos. That is what I meant.

/edit I'll send you a link. I'll do any form of name calling here in the public forums

Ha ha, I wonder if your thinking about the same guy I am! All I remember was that Templars were BAD ASS when 1.6 was on the PTS, then this one guy (whose name every ESO player will recognize) went and made a video with his PTS toon bragging about how "OP" he was. ZoS knee-jerked and crippled the 1.6 Templar before the code even made it to the Live server.

The sad result of this was that the vast majority of Templars never even got to be OP for one day, but they have been punished with the nerfs for this OP-ness for months!

Francescolg

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Ha ha, I wonder if your thinking about the same guy I am!

Well, this guy is a little bit contradictory because, now, even him is asking for templar buffs, while at the same time he did something like 15 (!!!) videos that show a STRONG templar class in 1vsX AFTER 1.6.

But I stick to my point: This 1vsX templar pvp-videos speak a stronger language against further Templar buffs, making it difficult to argue pro-templars, as screenshots (Jesus Beam death recap numbers) and videos (by @muchomuchoskillos Mighty Templar 1vsX, episode no°20) can put up a much stronger argument

People will not care about the details but just see a templar owning everything (even if any class can spec that way [detonation, dodge, stacking absorb shields]). This is unfortunate for all the guys doing the paper-work, filling out reports (test server), etc., as the "image of the class" stays very positive and some guy might think: "WTH are those nuubs asking for buffs!?"

The outrage before the release of 1.6 was not loud enough! See what the sorcerers are doing now, before 1.7!! (minimum 5 threads per forum-section) As good as no templar complained loud enough, whether ante- or post 1.6. My suspicion is that most templar are too team-dependend and care more about making strong alliances (to find the proper pvp-group for mucho $$AP$$) than for their class..

timidobserver

There are people that make it work really well, but yeh, it is easier to pull of successfully on other classes. Crushing shock or any interrupt will pretty much shut down most of what Templar can pull off.

Wreuntzylla

I ran into a player named Zerona the other day. If he is any indication, templars are just fine in 1v1 and 1vX... However, perma block is going away with the next patch and RD is being nerfed, so the light will go out on that build.

ToRelax

It's on ZOS to learn about their own game and understand how a player featured in a video can do what he does.
Don't blame the players for showing off what they can do with their class, but don't let anyone use these "good examples" to base class discussions on vague feelings rather than actual arguments.

Akinos

I wouldn't call Templars a "trash PvP class". Playing a Templar is like playing a single player game on the hardest difficulty mode. Being an effective Templar just requires much more effort, more thought and more time put into making it work for PvP.

That being said, Templars are still in a really bad spot, probably the worst spot and need some serious tweaking.

Suntzu1414

Templars need some Zeni love.


Was quite surprised to see the lack of announcements (for this class), in recent updates.
But, it seems magicka NB will be kicking serious ass..

there is no balance to life.
Just rebalance..by zeni.


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cazlonb16_ESO

Soris wrote: »

It isn't trash. It is just average and you feel its limits when it comes to solo play and 1vX. I mean if you compare templar builds with other class builds, for example Templar vs NB for stamina builds and Temlar vs Sorc for magicka builds, templar stays behind them for various reasons. Same for DKs. DK and templar had the least benefit from 1.6.
They were good before that and hopefully update 7 will give us some love again.

But that doesn't mean you are just a hopeless target dummy. You can indeed do amazing things with it when the stars align.

Average would mean middle of the pack. You could probably argue that stamina Sorcs ( haven't met one in ages, so I'm not entirely sure ) are in a worse place, but that's it.

The_Tip

I played on PC and heard Templars complain every patch, Id hop on and play and notice nothing major, a few minor tweaks here and there and I was right back to murdering people.

Yes, we can get out played by Sorcs and NB's, but honestly, if you have half a brain and can read, you can also outplay them.

my only complaint as a Light Armor Templar, we have no escapability, yet NBs can stealth across the map, sorcs can teleport across the map, and DK's can sprint across the map almost as fast as my 60 speed panther can, We're left with, we get to heal til our Magicka runs out, or pray our shields hold up against the mages 3rd skill bar, or the NB's permananet invis and CC ability.

as for 1v1, we could use a better stun, or disabling effect or an escape move. As for 1v1 damage output, I dont have much issues, half my attacks hit for 8-13k, and if I rotate them perfectly, 3 moves and they die, from 38 meters away. I prefer having to actually use a combination of strategic moves to buff the next one or debuff my enemy, I dont need to stun lock and critical charge every guy I see, I want a challenge.

Radburn

Templars are pretty cool, the problem is that every other class works better.

Sozzy

I've only just started on PvP despite being a Level 42 DK and all I've come across so far is NB's who feel like Daedric Princes to kill. I have to drop my Standard of Might to even come close to them. I dunno if it's my skill set or gear set but I'm just not matching.

ToRelax

The_Tip wrote: »

my only complaint as a Light Armor Templar, we have no escapability, yet NBs can stealth across the map, sorcs can teleport across the map, and DK's can sprint across the map almost as fast as my 60 speed panther can, We're left with, we get to heal til our Magicka runs out, or pray our shields hold up against the mages 3rd skill bar, or the NB's permananet invis and CC ability.

I see your point about NBs and Sorcs, but Templars can sprint just as well as a DK.

Roselle

I like Templars. I don't think they're "trash" on any level. I am tempted to do a guide for my vampire healer/dps setup that may still carry over well to Imperial City.

tplink3r1

Templars have no escape and no AOE CC, thats the problem, we need at least one of those to be able to 1vX properly.
Blinding Flashes had its problems(low range), but i miss it.

chevalierknight

As a nightblade solo ganker my two main targets nightblades because there my counter and templar because free kill

Roselle

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Templars have no escape and no AOE CC, thats the problem, we need at least one of those to be able to 1vX properly.
Blinding Flashes had its problems(low range), but i miss it.

You can keep applying your spear shards and CC multiple people and also AOE DPS them... What are you even going on about?

leepalmer95

Currently class hierarchy is:

1st Sorc
2nd Nb

3rd Dk
4th Templar

Sorc and nb's are rather close in terms of pvp ability but then theres a gap with dk and templar being rather close with dk being a bit stronger a think.

I feel bad for templars, perma block being patched so thats one of the only viable templar builds being shut down and then radiant destruction is being nerfed so it does less dmg, theres one of the only damaging tempar ability's going.

MrGigglypants

Burning spear is one of the best stuns in the game as a Templar and should be used regardless of spec much like rad op can be effective on stam builds. So templars do have cc. Also it sucks but to be effective solo you need to be a dunmer vamp olim sorry but elusive mist and bats are just too strong in group or solo play mist especially considering cc immune speed buff and when you come out the Templar heals. Accept that there is a meta to each class and the Templar meta is light armor with destroy restore setup and your finger basicly hiring burning spear far more than you would like to but its your anti nb.

xaraan

Xqluded wrote: »

Lots of negativity on templars and you never see them as emperor or anything like that. Is it really that bad for pvp if its not a healer? Let's say an equally skilled Templar with equal gear and CP is going 1v1 with another class does he honestly stand a chance against the other 3 classes?

Probably one of the more powerful emps I've seen is a templar (stam based, but still makes use of many templar skills) and he 1vX's/solo's all variety of players successfully even when not emp.

tplink3r1

Roselle wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Templars have no escape and no AOE CC, thats the problem, we need at least one of those to be able to 1vX properly.
Blinding Flashes had its problems(low range), but i miss it.

You can keep applying your spear shards and CC multiple people and also AOE DPS them... What are you even going on about?

Good luck CCing 4+ people one by one, by the time you CC the second one, the first has already breaked free.

Docmandu

Anything that doesn't have a GTFO skill is trash for solo play.. so that means currently Templar and DKs. Also why many people go vamp for Mist Form, to get some weak form of escape.

It just isn't fun getting rolled by 50+ man zergs every few minutes.

Soris

Anyone who knows how to tab target, mistform becomes useless. And that more fire damage, camo hunter, dawnbreaker insta gibs...........

Pobeda

Soris wrote: »

Anyone who knows how to tab target, mistform becomes useless. And that more fire damage, camo hunter, dawnbreaker insta gibs...........

Exactly. All "templar pro" video - I never seen thay been macro-instaganking (but half of my death on pvp from macosers - 5-7 skills in less a second each 4-6k damage), 1 or 2 cc them in a all battle time (I be cc every 6 second and most time they proc as double cc, as example - knock+fear - when I break free knock, then I instantly be feard (and my stamina out and can`t cc, couse I have already CC immunity but run in fear)), they most time never be tab-targeting in mist form and not killed in this form from full hp (couse 4k critacil rushes stop you for 1 second in mist form - there 20k critical rush normal damage! and macroses nb). And mostly I never seen death from camo hunter exploit (from really every 1 hit, even light attack bow from distance that you can counter even).
So if you see "toppvper" videos you think Templar is ok and good. But not. Not even close. This is worst pvp class. Not only by solo or 1 vs many - even in group.

Suntzu1414

temps need a good CC (besides blazing spear).
They are just too tempting to go after ...

Also, they need better resource management passives.
I still don't have 1/2 my passives..because they aren't (quite) useful...while my Dk and Nb (have all).

And finally, they need dps love.
dark flare with its 1.3sec delay...isn't viable in PvP.
(should be instant)


Please give temps love
not nerf (shields)...
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