Unhappy with Templars

ZAMOLXIS

thank you!!

Rhakon

dmg is good,
remove jabs give free cc
reduce traveltime from spells
execute is very strong but only as magica user.
Blazing shield is useless without 30k+life, it should scale from magica or stamina, maybe a morph for both.
the aura should be usefull again and not buff the same as tripods because when you want win in pvp u have to use them on cd so the aura is useless.
the gcd on some ability is anoying as hell, when you play other classes it feels much smoother to activate skills and abilitys
Templars should not be forced into vampirism to get usefull escape or ultimate.
Some skills need a complete rework because they are not usefull like backlash or the aura.

greetz

Roselle

There are so many options to be strong in PVP as templar. The best advice is really to test stuff yourself on the PTS then play on live once you find something you like

Not sure if you're console or PC, but here is more info:

You can DPS as either a stamina or magicka templar (if you go more magicka, you do have to be able to repentance off corpses in 1vX or have really high stam and magicka regen)... Or vampire omggg hit them with oil they're going to purge off really fast?

You do have plenty of options and never let anyone tell you templars need to be nerfed or buffed. (I won't say no to templar buffs these days though, I think I've referenced Jared Leto enough )

I recommend you install both the live and PTS on your largest partition and run the PTS and live version that way.

A lot of people (I did this originally before I left the game for ~2months) installed the live version on a small solidstate drive.

It's just not reasonable for this game since you can't have your solidstate be so full (Windows and other programs take up a lot of solidstate space if the program files need the root drive - or just don't make your 100G or less SSD your root C drive omg?) Tangents.

Never try defrag your solidstate (it usually won't let you anyway) and the SSD actually can corrupt if you keep uninstalling and reinstalling data using it.

Here's a guide for Windows cleanup to maybe help manage your "lag" and disk space:

windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/optimize-windows-better-performance#optimize-windows-better-performance=windows-7 Windows 8 is a bit different.

Also......
Having both the PTS and Live version seems to confuse the launcher. Just make sure you select the version you want until it says "play" - never repair!!!!

Moral of the story:
It's hard for me to explain things

Cinbri

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

T Templar dps is comparable to and in some ways better than sorc

Stoped reading after this. Most adorable thing i heared in this game.

Rhakon

Roselle wrote: »

There are so many options to be strong in PVP as templar. The best advice is really to test stuff yourself on the PTS then play on live once you find something you like

Not sure if you're console or PC, but here is more info:

You can DPS as either a stamina or magicka templar (if you go more magicka, you do have to be able to repentance off corpses in 1vX or have really high stam and magicka regen)... Or vampire omggg hit them with oil they're going to purge off really fast?

You do have plenty of options and never let anyone tell you templars need to be nerfed or buffed. (I won't say no to templar buffs these days though, I think I've referenced Jared Leto enough )

I played Templar from Beta, we can be strong and dps ... but compared to other classes with much higher effort.
Especially in PvP changes are needed.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171130/updated-poll-strongest-class-in-pvp/p1

this cant be ignored!

Beside this bugs and bad design desiciones like the Globalcooldown on some skills are anoying and gamebraking for Templars.

Alcast

Magicka templars could need a small boost in PvE but they are pretty decent in PvP alredy.

Stamina templars veryyyyy nice in PvE, though they could need a small boost in PvP

maxjapank

Do you pvp Allcast? I'd say quite the opposite is true. I see some really good Stamina Temps, and very few Magicka Temps. There is something to be said, though, that after wiping group after group of zergs, the Templar kill quest can take forever to fill. I know there are some very talented Templars, but I suspect that they are just awesome players and would demolish with any other class. No..Magicka dps Templars are not in a good place for pvp.

Alcast

maxjapank wrote: »

Do you pvp Allcast? I'd say quite the opposite is true. I see some really good Stamina Temps, and very few Magicka Temps. There is something to be said, though, that after wiping group after group of zergs, the Templar kill quest can take forever to fill. I know there are some very talented Templars, but I suspect that they are just awesome players and would demolish with any other class. No..Magicka dps Templars are not in a good place for pvp.

I played Stamina Templar a bit in PvP, it was nice but then i switched to NB and it was like 5x easier to kill enemies....I guess Templars just need Mass Hysteria and we good to go xD


I als tried Magicka Templar and it was quite nice because better protection through shields and you got jesus beam :P

But then again, I do not pvp very often because of the f....lag....

Zsymon

The OPs concerns are legit, while very skilled players can be successful with Templars, those same players would be far more successful with any other class. Templars lag behind the other three classes by hundreds of miles, they are nowhere near the same league.

Ffastyl

I have been playing a Stamina Templar since May 2014, VR14, 218 CP, and I am a formidable 1v1 force. You need to consider your gear on top of your abilities. I alternate between Heavy and Medium armor depending on whether I want mobility or survivability. The result is either a great group support setup or a Templar tank that can counter your build, whatever it is. That last part is what I stress when thinking of abilities to use: build to counter other builds. I have high mitigation to counter the insane burst damage, Dawn's Wrath and Restoring Light skills to shut down Magicka builds, and a Two Hander for burst damage to turn the tables. The one drawback I wish wasn't there is having to lock one slot on both bars for Radiant Aura.

eliisra wrote: »

Stamina templar is nice to, insane burst and a very nice addition in a raid, but way to squishy small scale or solo roaming.

I beg to differ there. It's a matter of building the right set of regeneration/healing, mitigation, and/or evasiveness.

I have a build I call Aegis of the Divines and a couple variants on it. Contact me ingame (PC NA) @Ffastyl for a detailed build description. I'd rather not disclose it over the public forums. Send a mail if I am unable to be whispered.
Or just PM me here on the forums. That works too.

TheBull

Temp magicka builds are tough to figure out. Not the skills but the stats and gear. I played my new temp to Emp and melted everything I hit from the side. Kinda like heavy cavalry , a shock troop. He was a true glass cannon.


The moment I tired to add more sustain and survivability everything feel apart. When I say the moment I mean dropping one spell power and 4k magicka. He went from his puncturing sweeps feeling like a light saber to not being able to bust a grape, let alone a sorc bubble.

From there I've spent hundreds of thousands of gold and it seems all or nothing. Tank up sure, regen sure, damage sure. No balance of the three though.

I think the biggest culprit effecting Templar right not is the lack of regen. Channel Focus is simply not enough.

Ffastyl

I can agree with that. Without Restoring Aura or one of its morphs (Repentance and Radiant Aura) on both bars, my regeneration is lacking. The passive +10% to all regeneration I feel can be relocated to a passive such as Mending, swapping its current effect with Restoring Aura's passive. That free slot alone opens up a lot of versatility. Right now, I have to sacrifice a charge, an execute, or a damage shield to keep Radiant Aura.

Roselle

Rhakon wrote: »

Roselle wrote: »

There are so many options to be strong in PVP as templar. The best advice is really to test stuff yourself on the PTS then play on live once you find something you like

Not sure if you're console or PC, but here is more info:

You can DPS as either a stamina or magicka templar (if you go more magicka, you do have to be able to repentance off corpses in 1vX or have really high stam and magicka regen)... Or vampire omggg hit them with oil they're going to purge off really fast?

You do have plenty of options and never let anyone tell you templars need to be nerfed or buffed. (I won't say no to templar buffs these days though, I think I've referenced Jared Leto enough )

I played Templar from Beta, we can be strong and dps ... but compared to other classes with much higher effort.
Especially in PvP changes are needed.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171130/updated-poll-strongest-class-in-pvp/p1

this cant be ignored!

Beside this bugs and bad design desiciones like the Globalcooldown on some skills are anoying and gamebraking for Templars.

I will get my legerdemain to 20! Someday...

Skwor

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Fact is Templars are the most disadvantaged class in the game and the DEV's most likely do not play the class so they have no clue what the issues are.

They continue to force GCDs on the Templar class but no other, something they stated would never be part of the game, even worse is the GCD on Templars is so buggy that it randomly locks many skills on our bar making the Templar a more about random luck of the draw as to whether or not your skill will actually cast.

Wrong, actually every skill in the game has a global cooldown, that's why attack weaving works. A handful have a slight extra one like shield charge and jabs to prevent overlapping skills mid cast and make them not look ridiculously awkward but that's about it. There's no special skill lockout in templars , just the same one everyone has from the sprint glitch and skill lock unless you open and close a Ui window, both which are bugs and not Templar exclusive.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ZAMOLXIS wrote: »

Oke Zenimax, Im playing a templar since release of the game, am VR 14, love to be templar, and not a healer, but what is enough is enough. I have tried everything, and when saying everything, that's the truth! I've got every single skill, spell, tried every combination, it's just impossible!

In PvP I am dying very very fast, and not versus VR 14 or so, but even VR 1.

Look, while the Templars are not Nightblades, Sorcerers or Dragonknight, they have plenty of tricks up their sleeves.

Also you haven't said what race you are, and how you play.

There are plenty of tools for Templars to make fantastic Magicka and Stamina builds.

But on getting one shotted in Cyrodiil, indeed is annoying, and all changes ZoS implemented after all the forum whiners for more power, made the game a disgusting fragfest

Nah, that's also largely an effect of people stacking tons of damage and no health or survivability, mitigation or avoidance. Common mistake and issue people make for themselves in pvp games when they aren't forced not to by stat caps. Freedom to build doesn't mean only freedom to build well, but also to build yourself gimped .

Do you actually play this game? No every-skill does not have a GCD. Templars CAN NOT weave out of several skills, the Templar GCD forces NO Skills to work for a brief time after certain ones have cast, for example Toppling Charge has such a GCD where the Two handed version Critical Rush does not. THE DEVS HAVE EVEN ADMITTED THIS FACT and at first stated it was a bug only to latter change their minds.

The weaving allows a players to cancel animation, it is animation casting that allows weaving and it does not cancel GCDs, I suggest you learn the difference. GCD is a hard lock out nothing can cancel.

Atzel

Templars needs something like....
Cloak ( purge and stealth at the same skill that makes all projectile damage dissapear - including ultimates like meteor )
or
Streak ( teleporting around , leaving balls of lightning that absorb most projectile damage and gets me away from melee damage dealers )

But wait.. we have Dark Flare that has this amazing cast time , travel time , dodgeble , blockable , reflectable but still with Amazing healing debuff that gets removed by any purge/cloak and so on !

On more Serious note a good player can perform well on any class and since this game is not balanced 1v1 but more like AvA i don't find it satisfying how some classes can play around with others while you have templars and dk's that kill or get killed.
Short Story Sorc/NB > DK/Temp

noobfury

PeggymoeXD

Stack heavy armor, nirn, spell damage, and wear all white armor. You only need one skill.

RD.

Alcast

noobfury wrote: »

move 2m left and he cant relocate the jab lol...never stand still, nevaaaaaaaaa


oh and dat for Darkflare and Refl Light.

Soris

noobfury wrote: »

And you were picking apples by the time?

Rev Rielle

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

I will give you a templar advice.

Idk about stamina templars though, but magicka ones, if played well, can solo/smallman and be super strong. It, however, does require alot of practise because you will find yourself in many different situations. Game is not about finding someone in an empty field and beating it easily without much work. Every fight is different. So here it goes...

~ Focus on 27-32k Magicka Pool, 1700+ spell power and 1500+ magicka regen.

~ Slot Dark Flare/Jabs, Jesus Beam, Proximity Deto/Vamps bane + Toppling Charge and either Blazing Shield or that Mage's Guild spell that you land on the ground for CC. Think of what do you prefer more, range type of fighting, or melee one - templar does great at both.
~ Keep 2nd bar for pure sustain, i advise you to become a vampire since bats (invisibility ones) and mist save me alot every few minutes, as well as turn fights completely around.

For ranged... With the above stats, dark flare hits for 9k+ tooltip damage, which combined with some certain passives, can crit for nearly 18k. It has a very long travel time, you can literally cast 2 of them and then jesus beam, the person receiving it would get instantly hit with the first Flare and Jesus beam (which does crit for up to 18k Single tick w/ the average being 8-10k) and then the 2nd Dark Flare on top. Everyone thats not 30khp and nirnhorned... gets removed from the screen.

For melee... Focus on proximity detonation and jabs + jesus beam to finish people off, dont forget to always keep the shields on and watch your surroundings, dont try to take more than you can chew and dont be afraid to kill someone and then go into mist form and kite the remaining for a few minutes and turn around. Yes, playing a templar isnt easy, but it is damn strong if mastered. At last, when you kill all other classes you know you have killed them with the worst one to solo!

I'd like to know how you get those numbers, and what you must sacrifice (namely armour/spell resistence, etc?) to do so.

Rev Rielle

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noobfury

Soris wrote: »

noobfury wrote: »

And you were picking apples by the time?

Meh

Soris

What is your point?

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

What is your point?

That the Templar who killed him makes good use of his class skills. 4 different ones in a single recap!

BurtFreeman

i love templar, is my second best class after sorc. then dk, at the end nb.

i think every body has one achilles heel! mine is called night blade.

Soris

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

What is your point?

That the Templar who killed him makes good use of his class skills. 4 different ones in a single recap!

Well that's a good standpoint

noobfury

Soris wrote: »

What is your point?

The point is that Temps are far from being useless.

More than probably 60 % of my DK's deaths are relative to Templars one way or another.

The OP just needs to keep at it and he'll figure it out.

Meanwhile , I'm gonna go pick some apples while I think about how much I hate RD.

Rhakon

RD is one bad designed skill to give magica Templars a reason to exist, no one want this.

fix and rethink all other abilitys and remove RD or change it to a normal finisher.

Cinbri

Everyone hates RD, even me when i casting RD hating myself.

Roselle

There is a morph of radiant destruction that does more damage based on the templar caster's current magicka % level

I'm not even sure if they fixed it always just showing Radiant Destruction in the log (yet,) but the morph I'm talking about is Radiant Oppression.