Unhappy with Templars

ZAMOLXIS

Oke Zenimax, Im playing a templar since release of the game, am VR 14, love to be templar, and not a healer, but what is enough is enough. I have tried everything, and when saying everything, that's the truth! I've got every single skill, spell, tried every combination, it's just impossible!

In PvP I am dying very very fast, and not versus VR 14 or so, but even VR 1. I berely beat some non VR players....and its very very frustrating! Got hundred champion points, rested them and tried there as well, I think Im going to leave this broken character and game. Its simply not worth it. Not going to spend another precious time of mine because I choosed in the beggining to be templar and not going to change for another super PvP character. I will quit the game, considering it a broke one!

I red it on the forum every single article, believing Im doing something wrong, but seems not! I do believe now, the game in what regarding Templar is very wrong! Ill wait till next patch, then Ill quit! simply have nothing else to do in this game...finished everything in solo, did a lot of group dungeons and so on....but still Cyrodiil is dead for me, cant do anything, because dead and shame is there for an honest templar!!!

[Moderator Note: Title edited per our rules on Disruptive Behavior]

Valrien

My friend says he does awesome in PvP with a templar. If you want I can PM you with his in-game name and maybe he can help you?

Yinmaigao

You may not do much damage in PvP, but you just CRUSHED me with wall of text

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Yinmaigao wrote: »

You may not do much damage in PvP, but you just CRUSHED me with wall of text

That wall of text was a version of spell threading that has yet to be seen. A masterpiece of the one shot kill.

Grimnaur

phairdon

Grimnaur wrote: »

LOL

coryevans_3b14_ESO

phairdon wrote: »

Grimnaur wrote: »

LOL

Double LOLOL

IrishGirlGamer

Grimnaur wrote: »

Awesome! I want to use that image!

Mr_Nobody

I will give you a templar advice.

Idk about stamina templars though, but magicka ones, if played well, can solo/smallman and be super strong. It, however, does require alot of practise because you will find yourself in many different situations. Game is not about finding someone in an empty field and beating it easily without much work. Every fight is different. So here it goes...

~ Focus on 27-32k Magicka Pool, 1700+ spell power and 1500+ magicka regen.

~ Slot Dark Flare/Jabs, Jesus Beam, Proximity Deto/Vamps bane + Toppling Charge and either Blazing Shield or that Mage's Guild spell that you land on the ground for CC. Think of what do you prefer more, range type of fighting, or melee one - templar does great at both.
~ Keep 2nd bar for pure sustain, i advise you to become a vampire since bats (invisibility ones) and mist save me alot every few minutes, as well as turn fights completely around.

For ranged... With the above stats, dark flare hits for 9k+ tooltip damage, which combined with some certain passives, can crit for nearly 18k. It has a very long travel time, you can literally cast 2 of them and then jesus beam, the person receiving it would get instantly hit with the first Flare and Jesus beam (which does crit for up to 18k Single tick w/ the average being 8-10k) and then the 2nd Dark Flare on top. Everyone thats not 30khp and nirnhorned... gets removed from the screen.

For melee... Focus on proximity detonation and jabs + jesus beam to finish people off, dont forget to always keep the shields on and watch your surroundings, dont try to take more than you can chew and dont be afraid to kill someone and then go into mist form and kite the remaining for a few minutes and turn around. Yes, playing a templar isnt easy, but it is damn strong if mastered. At last, when you kill all other classes you know you have killed them with the worst one to solo!

TheShadowScout

I have a stamina templar alt. Heavy armor, two-handed weapon, classic orc brawnpower backed up by a bit of selfheal and shielding... She solos stuff my nightblade main can only dream about enviously... what was your problem again?

Every class can be played well, every class has its strong and weak points. I found templars to be good for every occasion... PvP too, all the fighting power and some heals for yourself and your allies? Nifty. Though of course, in cyrodil you can't expect your enemies to just fall at your feet like trash mobs, since most of them are at least as good players as you are, many are better, having spent more time practicing PvP, and are buffed by food, and their allies, wearing PvP armor and so on...

NadiusMaximus

And that's just it. Every time I see a thread like this, it's always the same advise. Become a vamp.
All the "best builds" online that can do dps on part with others= become a vamp.

What do we do if we don't want to, we shouldn't have to to be viable.
I'm not up there with the big guys, soloing 20 guys at once shrugging off ultimates and the sort, but I'm no stuff myself,. I know that the Templars are made to be in groups of at least two or three.

jircris11

Grimnaur wrote: »

EPIC! thank you for making my night

Endurance

Grimnaur wrote: »

weak.. my killers blade does twice that dmg

Kazzy56

PS4 EU.

Maybe try a different build? Kind of silly (and unfair) to blame the devs for your ummm (trying to be pollite here) own shortfalls isn't it?

You are doing something wrong, or not doing something you should be doing. Stop blaming others, pick yourself up and improve your character skills etc.

Have a great Tamriel day.

Cinbri

Well, if PvP Templars won't be fixed in 1.7, it is time to1. roll other class or 2. just delete game. I hope ZOS understand that Update 7 is last Templar hope.
P.S. For now if you die too quickly - stack nirn with heavy armor, buff reducing block cost, roll stamina builds with troll-dodging and get vampirism with Bloodspawn set as Swarm spam still most OP ult in PvP.
P.S.S. And don't listen those with "L2P" coz such people are mostly PvE zergers without clue what they are talking about.

Sandmanninja

OP - watch some class tutorials.
I have a VR14 templar (healer/dps) and there is NO situation that I'm afraid to jump into.
Self heals, amazing damage, damage attack that heal.

I'm not saying L2P Noob, I'm not. But you need to watch some videos.
If you haven't mastered crafting, you should.
Max Magicka and Spell Damage is what determines how hard you hit.

Here is a fairly high spell power set of gear that I use. Hope it helps.

==========================
Spell Damage: duel daggers: 2021
you can improve your spell damage with enchants on your jewelry
add a spell dam jewellery enchant

Monumental Glyph of Increase Magical Harm (Kura + Makderi +

Torug's Pact (Stormhaven - Hammerdeath Workshop): 2-set: Adds 179 Spell Damage
Song of Lamae (Alik'r Desert - Rhulftzel): 3-set: Adds 179 Spell Damage
head (cloth) - chest (plate) - legs (cloth)

Eyes of Mara (Mage's Guild): 4-set: Adds 179 Spell Damage


DPS HIGH SPELL DAMAGE OUTFIT (Song of Lamae 3 set: Adds 173 Spell Damage):
Hat
Pants
Chest

Of The Healer (4-set bonus: Adds 168 Spell Damage)
replace Of The Healer with of the Sun
Ring
Ring
Necklace
Gloves

Eyes of Mara (4-set bonus: Adds 173 Spell Damage // 5-set bonus: reduce magicka cost of resto staff by 12%)
dagger
dagger
Shoulders
Belt
Shoes
===

Alcast

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/magicka-templar-pvp-game-play/
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-super-magicka-tankplar/

here two good players with nice pvp setups.


just stack shields and jesus beam people, easy life.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

ZAMOLXIS wrote: »

Oke Zenimax, Im playing a templar since release of the game, am VR 14, love to be templar, and not a healer, but what is enough is enough. I have tried everything, and when saying everything, that's the truth! I've got every single skill, spell, tried every combination, it's just impossible!

In PvP I am dying very very fast, and not versus VR 14 or so, but even VR 1.

Look, while the Templars are not Nightblades, Sorcerers or Dragonknight, they have plenty of tricks up their sleeves.

Also you haven't said what race you are, and how you play.

There are plenty of tools for Templars to make fantastic Magicka and Stamina builds.

But on getting one shotted in Cyrodiil, indeed is annoying, and all changes ZoS implemented after all the forum whiners for more power, made the game a disgusting fragfest

Sausage

Try to add some crit resistance to your gears. Lots of people play with high crit chance/damage chars. Building right kind of gears isnt so simple as people might think, one just doesnt specialize in one area. Also high health is good for PVP but for dungeons/trial/dsa too.

ZAMOLXIS

All right everyone....thx you kindly! I never crafted gear, prefer to wear sets and never been vamp! Ill try some of yours advices and do smth about it...
I really appreciated!!

Keep_Door

do you even templar bro ?

Ajaxduo

Grimnaur wrote: »

gg xD

xoduspaladin

Grimnaur wrote: »

I understand the whole Wall of Text thing but really...it was barely 3 paragraphs, short ones at that.

Paradox

Just roll a stealthy stamina Templar and be gloriously overpowered.

Skwor

Fact is Templars are the most disadvantaged class in the game and the DEV's most likely do not play the class so they have no clue what the issues are.

They continue to force GCDs on the Templar class but no other, something they stated would never be part of the game, even worse is the GCD on Templars is so buggy that it randomly locks many skills on our bar making the Templar a more about random luck of the draw as to whether or not your skill will actually cast.

eliisra

Templar is god-mode in PvE, no doubt. But a frustrating struggle in PvP, if you want be strong individually.

Cant pull of stamina builds like a NB, cant tank like a DK and no way near as efficient and survivable as a sorcerer using a magicka build.

No mobility or escapes from class skills, sup-par cc, travelling times on ranged nukes making your projectiles fly into thin air and than there's all the global cooldowns making skills clunky.

Templar gets to be the best healer/support in PvP instead. Fair enough?

Think the issue is how no one that's into competitive PvP values being the "strongest healer" to any larger degree. It's not the healer that gets to become the emperor, that's feared by the enemy, that makes cool videos kicking ass 1v1 or wiping groups of milkdrinkers. Also why 99% of all PvP footage these days are mainstream classes NB or sorc, they have the edge in 1.6.

Find a group, that's my advice. Templar does well in PvP playing healer with mandatory Jesus Beam spam. Stamina templar is nice to, insane burst and a very nice addition in a raid, but way to squishy small scale or solo roaming.

Also go vampire for Mist Form, it's the only way to stay alive unless you do tut tut zerging.

Attorneyatlawl

Yinmaigao wrote: »

You may not do much damage in PvP, but you just CRUSHED me with wall of text

T Templar dps is comparable to and in some ways better than sorc as the main nuke hits harder with the same stats while empowering and applying an aoe heal debuff, with a few great followup combinations available such as reflective light and blazing spear and instant first tick radiant destruction. Then you have no weapons required for radiant shield or blazing shield, breath of life, ritual of rebirth, remembrance, and a no travel time reflect that heals you and immediately lands on tthe target even kid cast (you get a moderate heal for everything it reflects and it can be put on any number of people you want). Round it out with heal jabs and Cyrodiil light, Nova, etc and it's a good package . Playstyle, gear, and player skill all will drastically affect your success. If you feel you've looked at your skill bars sufficiently I'd start working on the rest .

Attorneyatlawl

Skwor wrote: »

Fact is Templars are the most disadvantaged class in the game and the DEV's most likely do not play the class so they have no clue what the issues are.

They continue to force GCDs on the Templar class but no other, something they stated would never be part of the game, even worse is the GCD on Templars is so buggy that it randomly locks many skills on our bar making the Templar a more about random luck of the draw as to whether or not your skill will actually cast.

Wrong, actually every skill in the game has a global cooldown, that's why attack weaving works. A handful have a slight extra one like shield charge and jabs to prevent overlapping skills mid cast and make them not look ridiculously awkward but that's about it. There's no special skill lockout in templars , just the same one everyone has from the sprint glitch and skill lock unless you open and close a Ui window, both which are bugs and not Templar exclusive.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ZAMOLXIS wrote: »

Oke Zenimax, Im playing a templar since release of the game, am VR 14, love to be templar, and not a healer, but what is enough is enough. I have tried everything, and when saying everything, that's the truth! I've got every single skill, spell, tried every combination, it's just impossible!

In PvP I am dying very very fast, and not versus VR 14 or so, but even VR 1.

Look, while the Templars are not Nightblades, Sorcerers or Dragonknight, they have plenty of tricks up their sleeves.

Also you haven't said what race you are, and how you play.

There are plenty of tools for Templars to make fantastic Magicka and Stamina builds.

But on getting one shotted in Cyrodiil, indeed is annoying, and all changes ZoS implemented after all the forum whiners for more power, made the game a disgusting fragfest

Nah, that's also largely an effect of people stacking tons of damage and no health or survivability, mitigation or avoidance. Common mistake and issue people make for themselves in pvp games when they aren't forced not to by stat caps. Freedom to build doesn't mean only freedom to build well, but also to build yourself gimped .

ZAMOLXIS

well, I have tried to raise my spell power, but seems to be stuck at 1220. Need to mention I have all the passive abilities at max, not using potions or enything that is temporary....:(
1700+ as Mr_Nobody mentioned seems impossible....any thoughts..?
Thx in advance!

Ernest145

1200 is really low i think that is your problem

bertenburnyb16_ESO

ZAMOLXIS wrote: »

well, I have tried to raise my spell power, but seems to be stuck at 1220. Need to mention I have all the passive abilities at max, not using potions or enything that is temporary....:(
1700+ as Mr_Nobody mentioned seems impossible....any thoughts..?
Thx in advance!

use some sets, like adroitness, torugs pact, martial knowledge, or even healers habbit, (or jewelry enchants, but better using reduce mag cost or regen)
basic spellpower is somewhere in the 1200, but with some sets u can bring it to 1700-2000 and with 20% spellpower buff ontop off that

edit: oh and cyrodiils light ofc