Vehemence Rolling Blue.

x99Needles

I have spent a lot of time on the Pact. I remember when we were on the bottom, turtled in Arrius over night, stuck at our gates every morning, when we struggled, when we actually fought for our victories. And I have watched us rise to the top. It's an indisputable fact, EP dominates PvP. The maps go red with little to no resistance. The amount of coordination and guilds EP has are the biggest reason why.

Vehemence is re-rolling DC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, nor a request I made to my guildies with a light heart. The fact is EP no longer requires our presence, maybe for a little while there, but no longer. EP is too strong, the guilds are too prevalent and the opposition too weak. AD has a few guilds remaining, and they have the population. DC has almost no one. They have the population but 90% of this faction solos and pugs and because of it there is no leadership, no aspiration, and they get destroyed.

Population imbalance is not something anyone can argue. We all see it, we all complain about it, we wish it would change. There are a lot of things in Cyrodiil we as players cannot affect. Lag, skill imbalance, exploiters, but pop balance, this is something we as the players can directly affect. No one really wants to, re rolling sucks, leveling sucks, starting over sucks.But getting online and watching the maps go red and farming pugs and jumping servers looking for fights. That sucks more. I don't believe in complacency. And that's where I feel we are with EP. There is no next level, there is no more to achieve. We are the strongest faction and we know it.

I made this thread because I know most of you already heard VE was going blue. I wanted to make sure my reasons and intentions were not diluted. I love EP. I have bled red from beta, most all of my guys have. I have invested so much time into my toon and my faction and my guild. I don't look at it like I'm throwing anything away, or betraying anyone. This goes beyond a color. I waited three years for this game, I cannot sit on the sidelines and watch it burn. PvP is on a decline, it's a two faction game in Cyrodiil. This game is on a decline. I believe we can make a difference on DC, we can help. And if all we achieve is shifting the pop imbalance slightly then that's all we end up achieving. But I cannot not try. We could see a tri-faction Cyrodiil again. DC just needs teamwork like EP and AD.

We are re-rolling because the state of the game demands that something in Cyrodiil change. I believe this could strengthen DC and weaken EP just a bit. I have no hard feelings towards EP as a faction or anyone on the faction. I don't hate anyone or have bitter resentment towards any guild or players. This is purely for the state of the game. EP is so strong because of the amazing teamwork instituted in EP and the guilds that reside there. On EP I felt like we were part of the problem, and on DC I'm hoping to be part of the solution. I have enjoyed every second of my time on EP.

Thank you

Angavar

Good stuff! Glad to see you taking the inititive and doing what the other EP guilds were too proud or stubborn to do themselves.

This was much needed, and I look forward to DC becoming a competitive faction once again with your help.

Thanks to you and your players for taking the plunge!

Zheg

Hope you at least wait until they lower the XP cap for vet levels, because honestly, dat vet grind is no joke yo, and has been one of the most frequently cited reason for players leaving the game. One thing I've noticed is EP and AD tend to have many many more players at higher alliance ranks, and I think a large part of that is DC players pvp on alts more often (I know it's true at least for myself) and alliance ranks aren't tied to an account. I'd also point out that it's hard to grind out another 7 million AP to get those pvp passives and skills like vigor when there aren't stupid DC to be farmed at Ales farm any more but, best of luck to you.

Ghostbane

Insane respect for you chaps having a guild effort.

RadioheadSh0t

It's good to see a move like this because I think this is good for the overall health of the game. Look forward to seeing you on the battlefield, and while one guild swapping campaigns isn't going to change everything, it will help.

MaximillianDiE

Good luck Bulb. I personally have rolled a blue DK too for a change of scenery instead of simply jumping back onto my EP toon too for the same reasons. Fingers crossed you don't end up with the same long term issues that we in DiE had as a result of rerolling red for the same reasons though although you will have to expect some attrition as a result. In any case it will be nice to have the chance to be on the same side as you again!


Cheers
Max

EskimoBrother

Good stuff guys, much respect.

Jules

Really well said Bulb(ybear). It's encouraging to come here and see that people of all factions support this and see the true intent behind this move. Looking forward to having good fights with everyone.

frozywozy

Great decision there Bulb and VE. We will surely miss you in EP and I'm looking forward for the fights. I must say, if alliance ranks were account bound, I would have done that a long time ago.

InvictoNZ

Yet again, players doing more than Zo$.
Actions speak louder than words.

Good on ya mate.

DoctorSwampy

x99Needles wrote: »

I have spent a lot of time on the Pact. I remember when we were on the bottom, turtled in Arrius over night, stuck at our gates every morning, when we struggled, when we actually fought for our victories. And I have watched us rise to the top. It's an indisputable fact, EP dominates PvP. The maps go red with little to no resistance. The amount of coordination and guilds EP has are the biggest reason why.

Vehemence is re-rolling DC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, nor a request I made to my guildies with a light heart. The fact is EP no longer requires our presence, maybe for a little while there, but no longer. EP is too strong, the guilds are too prevalent and the opposition too weak. AD has a few guilds remaining, and they have the population. DC has almost no one. They have the population but 90% of this faction solos and pugs and because of it there is no leadership, no aspiration, and they get destroyed.

Population imbalance is not something anyone can argue. We all see it, we all complain about it, we wish it would change. There are a lot of things in Cyrodiil we as players cannot affect. Lag, skill imbalance, exploiters, but pop balance, this is something we as the players can directly affect. No one really wants to, re rolling sucks, leveling sucks, starting over sucks.But getting online and watching the maps go red and farming pugs and jumping servers looking for fights. That sucks more. I don't believe in complacency. And that's where I feel we are with EP. There is no next level, there is no more to achieve. We are the strongest faction and we know it.

I made this thread because I know most of you already heard VE was going blue. I wanted to make sure my reasons and intentions were not diluted. I love EP. I have bled red from beta, most all of my guys have. I have invested so much time into my toon and my faction and my guild. I don't look at it like I'm throwing anything away, or betraying anyone. This goes beyond a color. I waited three years for this game, I cannot sit on the sidelines and watch it burn. PvP is on a decline, it's a two faction game in Cyrodiil. This game is on a decline. I believe we can make a difference on DC, we can help. And if all we achieve is shifting the pop imbalance slightly then that's all we end up achieving. But I cannot not try. We could see a tri-faction Cyrodiil again. DC just needs teamwork like EP and AD.

We are re-rolling because the state of the game demands that something in Cyrodiil change. I believe this could strengthen DC and weaken EP just a bit. I have no hard feelings towards EP as a faction or anyone on the faction. I don't hate anyone or have bitter resentment towards any guild or players. This is purely for the state of the game. EP is so strong because of the amazing teamwork instituted in EP and the guilds that reside there. On EP I felt like we were part of the problem, and on DC I'm hoping to be part of the solution. I have enjoyed every second of my time on EP.

Thank you

Sad to see you guys not roll AD, seeing as you guys are some really cool people to talk to. I'll be looking out for you all, mostly Favors because he stole my toon name! -.-

Alomar

Many a fun fights had beside you guys, best of luck in the land of Smurfdom. While there is definitely a lack of DC guilds actively participating, the DC pop is actually in a better place now than it was 5-6 months ago in terms of the "main campaign". Speaking as someone who rerolled from AD after several main campaign wins in a row post launch, it will be a rough ride with all of that grind, but best of luck!

Doesn't help that AD pile into Azura's while DC and EP pile into Chillrend, so there's very often no "3 faction" system coming into play which would even things out.

Hypertionb14_ESO

wow really?

good luck...

maybe we will get some semblance of balance in Cyrodil soon...\

instead of you know...

endless red blobs killing endless yellow pugs while the rare blue gets roflmao stomped by both when it shows up for any length of time?

i personally dont have the patience after rolling 4 different Vr14s in yellow (for PvE reasons) to roll another.

honestly if DC had half the organized guilds EP has, the faction count might actually be even somewhat.

Satiar

Personally, I will really miss everyone I'm leaving behind in EP.

Havoc is a great guild full of amazing people and I'll miss working with them on the battlefield. I love all the old Hijinx guys, will always remember Bloodthorn and the good times there. To everyone else I've worked with as a Vehemence raid lead--SoTP, SWP, SoS, Nexus, Sandy, Frozn, and all the rest--I wish you all the best in battle, I'd rather be fighting with you than against you. But if this works out and factions even out a lil more as a result, I think it will be worth it.

Plus, we'll always have Paris.

Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO

Still gonna roll on my EP DK to gank your baddie DC toon with Teargrants when raid ends for the night, Bulbybear.

Poxheart

I said it in another thread, but I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of impact you guys have once you hit the vet campaigns. It'll be interesting to see what the addition of one truly organized guild does to the overall DC morale.

Eirella

Wow that's really cool of you guys to do, lots of respect from me!
And I agree with this:

Sad to see you guys not roll AD, seeing as you guys are some really cool people to talk to.

though DC really needs the support more than AD. Good luck leveling your toons!

Teargrants

Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO wrote: »

Still gonna roll on my EP DK to gank your baddie DC toon with Teargrants when raid ends for the night, Bulbybear.

No, no it's not gonna be when the raid ends, it's gonna be when the raid starts. Kirin and I will kill Bulbybear's NB smurf - at which point he will say '*** it, getting on the DK' and get back on EP.

Thus we shall be known as the Saviors of the Pact.

Draxys

Zheg wrote: »

Hope you at least wait until they lower the XP cap for vet levels, because honestly, dat vet grind is no joke yo, and has been one of the most frequently cited reason for players leaving the game. One thing I've noticed is EP and AD tend to have many many more players at higher alliance ranks, and I think a large part of that is DC players pvp on alts more often (I know it's true at least for myself) and alliance ranks aren't tied to an account. I'd also point out that it's hard to grind out another 7 million AP to get those pvp passives and skills like vigor when there aren't stupid DC to be farmed at Ales farm any more but, best of luck to you.

oh I wouldn't worry about ap gains, there's still tons of yellow idiots that get farmed at resources and bridges

Jakeol

Props for rerolling to the lowest pop faction is a good move for the overall health of the game.

Fruitdog

Draxys wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Hope you at least wait until they lower the XP cap for vet levels, because honestly, dat vet grind is no joke yo, and has been one of the most frequently cited reason for players leaving the game. One thing I've noticed is EP and AD tend to have many many more players at higher alliance ranks, and I think a large part of that is DC players pvp on alts more often (I know it's true at least for myself) and alliance ranks aren't tied to an account. I'd also point out that it's hard to grind out another 7 million AP to get those pvp passives and skills like vigor when there aren't stupid DC to be farmed at Ales farm any more but, best of luck to you.

oh I wouldn't worry about ap gains, there's still tons of yellow idiots that get farmed at resources and bridges

Not to mention all those juicy red baddies.

All_Bizniz

Good Luck! May the fights with us be spirited and good-natured! The blood will flow freely.

Publius_Scipio

Rolling blue is fine as long as you truly flex your blue biceps.




Then again I don't know of Vehemence or who is a part of it. But I know Havoc all too well....

Satiar

All_Bizniz wrote: »

Good Luck! May the fights with us be spirited and good-natured! The blood will flow freely.

I would like to keep it that way. I like to think there can be good, competitive battles in this game that do not give way to ill will on either side.

Pchela

You have my support, Bulb! I'm happy you guys are doing this.

Snit

OP may threaten the record for "awesomes" by any player post

Good on you, Vehemence. As an AD player, I am happy to read this. May the grind back to V14 go quickly.

Winnamine

If I ever get those last 2 recipe fragments, I'll totally support the reroll efforts by making you guys xp pots

FluffiestOne

Welcome to the blue side. Totally worth the vacation interruption to give this a read.

Waylander

Strong decision.

Feels like pvp is dying and pop imbalance is one of the main contributors.

I applaud your guilds decision and hope the re-roll is not too painful.

blabafat

Hey!

As everyone stated, props for Guild rerolling to lowest population faction. Hopefully it's only for the better! Good luck and see you guys in cyrodiil!

-The Magician

Jules

Winnamine wrote: »

If I ever get those last 2 recipe fragments, I'll totally support the reroll efforts by making you guys xp pots

Thats really sweet of you Winnie