GUILD BANK OPTIONS to prevent bank thieves (console) - Show ZoS how much we need these features!!!!!

Ayantir

don't remove it, guild bank is a 500 space free, if a guild of 2 ppl got it, the personnal bank increase will be totally obsolete.

for all other things, 400% agree, our guild (on PC) has been stolen twice, one per an idiot, one second per an hacker. lost hundreds of items and now we're forced to forbid guild bank access to our members.

JediRift

Ayantir wrote: »

400% agree, our guild (on PC) has been stolen twice, one per an idiot, one second per an hacker. lost hundreds of items and now we're forced to forbid guild bank access to our members.

Luckily we do not have to deal with hackers on console, but we are so limited with security features that ninjas are running rampant. The current system of 100% trust (and potentially get ripped off if greed overcomes a trusted member), or zero trust at all and no access to the guild bank, is really quite bad. It is catering to serious trust issues to protect the guild inventory. I do not want to be responsible for my entire guild bank being raided again because I felt I could place trust in a person that proves otherwise with a massive bank ninja.

Darkohzen

Much support for this thread.

Lenikus

I never had any problem with bank issues in any guild i've been in...
I've known for a fact that it happens of course, but you CAN decide on who gets access and who doesn't, to the guild bank.

If you are trusting the wrong people, it's your problem, not the game's.
Sorry to be blunt, but that's how it is. you want the developers to introduce one complex check and uncheck of permissions based on individual items, instead of just re-consider who you trust with loads of items that, if are that valuable shouldn't be in a guild Bank to begin with, maybe in a store, but not in a public'ish deposit.

Keep withdrawing privileges only to officials, other people can still deposit, of course, and if they deposit something extra, or want something, they can ask an official to withdrawn / grab it for them. It's simple

JediRift

Lenikus wrote: »

If you are trusting the wrong people, it's your problem, not the game's.
Sorry to be blunt, but that's how it is. you want the developers to introduce one complex check and uncheck of permissions based on individual items, instead of just re-consider who you trust with loads of items that, if are that valuable shouldn't be in a guild Bank to begin with, maybe in a store, but not in a public'ish deposit.

Keep withdrawing privileges only to officials, other people can still deposit, of course, and if they deposit something extra, or want something, they can ask an official to withdrawn / grab it for them. It's simple

Did you read the thread at all? /smh

First off, on console people who do not have full access to the bank can not even view the items in the bank, unless they have 100% access to withdraw freely, any items and as much as they like, with zero limitations. If they do not have access to withdraw (with no limitation) from bank, they can not see the inventory AT ALL. Therefore, they cannot request items from the bank when they have no clue what is in there. After micro managing the bank for approximately six to seven hours over the last few days just to restack and tidy the bank, you are out of your mind if you think I want to spend all day taking requests to hunt for items that the guild bank may or may not even have. Example conversation: "Hey leader, is there a blue or better sword for level 20-25 in bank that I could have?" Response: "I am in the middle of quest zone, let me teleport (for the tenth time in the last two hours) to scan through our entire bank to check for you". No thanks!

Secondly, did you read about community and sharing? The options that exist seriously limit our ability to share amongst each other. We do not want to sell everything to each other, we want to SHARE items that we outlevel (items that are not bound), food, potions, crafting mats and items, etc. Limiting tabs by rank, and giving daily limits by rank, would solve all of this.

We have now been forced to shut down the bank and only share items through voice chat, mail, and letting others know the type of items we are interested in through member notes. These quality of life items need to be implemented. The current system puts too much pressure on gulld leaders to entrust a few select individuals, and even then, under these conditions if you are forced to entrust a very small group of people, the guild bank just becomes a large bag for a few players to use, it is NOT what I would call a guild bank.

dabulls7491

Yes, it is a JOKE that we do not have some of these basic features. Our bank was cleared too, luckily just low value items.

Pman85

this is why my guild bank is full of mats. we make gear for them to use and not having them withdrawl items for profit

Merlin13KAGL

JediRift wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Strange that you can't look in the bank if you do not have Withdrawal Privileges. It is essential that only a few people can withdraw from the bank, but that does put more work on the Guild Officers who can do this. Especially with the Stacking issues. Anyway, players are fickle, and you only really know them from the account name, no face to face to gauge them. I for one would have the most difficult time determining who I would allow to withdraw from the Guild Bank.

It has been a fragile dance of trusting players and hoping that I am making the right choices, only to find that greed can often overwhelm even the friendliest of players. Some of the features I listed above would go a long way in making the guild ninja extinct in ESO.

It's a tough call. It's a little easier if you have voice chat (TS, etc for PC types - probably not so manageable on console as I don't think you can limit who sends and receives speech?) as it's harder to burn someone if you've had real interaction with them.

I understand your dilemma, though. I was a member of a smaller guild that went all but inactive a few months in. I respected the creation and never asked CS to transfer guild control, as I well could have. When the game went no-sub, two individuals came back, kicked three of us without any indication why, and then the GM promptly never logged on again.

I had spent better than a year filling the guildbank to the brim with purples of all levels and more crafting mats than any one person could ever use.

It does come down to trust, but since there are not varying levels of access, it's better to err on the side of caution.

Consider how most people are when they know you. There is even less consequence to character online when they don't.

Prymael

I've been looking around, is it really the best solution on the consoles to just limit the guild bank so severely without being able to have viewing access separated from management access? I understand that, yeah, one needs to know who they can trust, but realistically speaking how can one accomplish that in a multiple hundreds member guild? What are others' opinions or solutions, or is it on ZOS to make it like the pc?

MissBizz

Prymael wrote: »

I've been looking around, is it really the best solution on the consoles to just limit the guild bank so severely without being able to have viewing access separated from management access? I understand that, yeah, one needs to know who they can trust, but realistically speaking how can one accomplish that in a multiple hundreds member guild? What are others' opinions or solutions, or is it on ZOS to make it like the pc?

@Prymael On PC you still have to put heavy trust into the people you give access to. As soon as someone has access - they can wipe your bank clean. I think we need better guild bank management tools all around, but console AT LEAST needs to be up to par with the PC in this area. It just makes no sense that people cannot even view the guild bank.

DiabloHell

The Kings of Aldmeri had 45 pages worth of items stolen by a member yesterday. This member had been a part of the guild since console launch.

When we contacted player support they told us that we should not trust players with banking privileges. You're kidding right? They basically told us that no one should run a guild with this incredibly arrogant statement. Especially since this is not the first guild to have theft occur on this high level.

We should be able to micromanage the banks permissions. This system is deeply flawed and basically eliminates any point of having an online community, something like this would never be able to happen in World of Warcraft. You can never really trust anyone online as there are no real repercussions, and you have no social obligations to these people. The PC version of the guild banks allows members that do not have access to still view what is in the bank, and are therefore able to request items from members who have access. This change would fix many of the problems that guild masters are facing, but instead of a real response (or a phone call like I requested) we are being given copy and paste answers from a script that I could easily find. It's not about reimbursement. It's about fixing a community tool that has a fundamental flaw that users are exploiting. No amount of vigilance could have stopped these thefts from occurring, but a notification could have prevented the entire bank being completely drained and deposited in another guild bank with the bare minimum of members to get access.

If ESO doesn't do something about this then they should not even have guild banks as they cannot create a proper system to manage it. And don't get me started on the stacking ***.

I expect this player to AT LEAST get banned from ESO. Otherwise, someone will learn what it is like for 300+ internet savvy people to be angry with you.

If support doesn't provide us with some feedback that isn't written off a sheet by the end of today, I plan on compiling all of our reports and responses so everyone can see how uncaring the ESO staff is about scamming, stealing and and allowing users to protect their own online community.

Uriel_Nocturne

Love_Daggerfall wrote: »

If you only want weapons and armour to be given to people who ask for it just tell them in voice what you have on offer and send it as a attachment in a message. Until then keep them in your own Bank. Guild Banks are just places you put stuff you don't want and its a free for all. You can't expect it to be anything else.

I have to agree with this.

The whole reason you put items in a Guild banks is:

1) You don't want the item(s) yourself.
2) You wanted to put it somewhere that the rest of your Guild may/may not be able to use said item(s) could easily access them.

So, going by the whole "communal nature" of a Guild Bank, having someone loot everything is a risk you take. If the items are something you're going to want to have available later, or you're wanting to get them to a specific Guild Member; then you'd be better served by placing those items in your own bank, and/or mailing/trading the items to the specific member directly.

While I agree that it would suck to sign-in one day and see your whole Guild Bank had been cleaned out, it is (again) a risk you take when placing items that you don't want into the Guild Bank.

It is, after all, there for any Guild Member to take or deposit as they see fit.

DiabloHell

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Love_Daggerfall wrote: »

If you only want weapons and armour to be given to people who ask for it just tell them in voice what you have on offer and send it as a attachment in a message. Until then keep them in your own Bank. Guild Banks are just places you put stuff you don't want and its a free for all. You can't expect it to be anything else.

I have to agree with this.

The whole reason you put items in a Guild banks is:

1) You don't want the item(s) yourself.
2) You wanted to put it somewhere that the rest of your Guild may/may not be able to use said item(s) could easily access them.

So, going by the whole "communal nature" of a Guild Bank, having someone loot everything is a risk you take. If the items are something you're going to want to have available later, or you're wanting to get them to a specific Guild Member; then you'd be better served by placing those items in your own bank, and/or mailing/trading the items to the specific member directly.

While I agree that it would suck to sign-in one day and see your whole Guild Bank had been cleaned out, it is (again) a risk you take when placing items that you don't want into the Guild Bank.

It is, after all, there for any Guild Member to take or deposit as they see fit.

Members cannot request items they cannot see. And the only way to see the items is to have full access to the Guild Bank. Members should At Least be able to See and Request items to help keep the circle as closed as possible. It would cut down on the amount of officers are needed to manage the guild bank. Putting restrictions on how many an officer can approve or how many a person can request at a time will eliminate the vast majority of all scamming.

Simply forcing us into blind trust is no way to manage an online community. Every one has to realize that this isn't COD or some other game with a basic guild and thousands of members. This is a TIME CONSUMING QUESTING AND GRINDING MMO and when we lose our items IT MEANS SOMETHING.

BigDuffy

I have read a lot of people saying about guild hoppers stealing items. Can they not have a rep level like xbox live where you rate a player in the game so guild owners can see if that person is bad player or not. I hate those that steal in games just to upset others.

DiabloHell

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Love_Daggerfall wrote: »

If you only want weapons and armour to be given to people who ask for it just tell them in voice what you have on offer and send it as a attachment in a message. Until then keep them in your own Bank. Guild Banks are just places you put stuff you don't want and its a free for all. You can't expect it to be anything else.

I have to agree with this.

The whole reason you put items in a Guild banks is:

1) You don't want the item(s) yourself.
2) You wanted to put it somewhere that the rest of your Guild may/may not be able to use said item(s) could easily access them.

So, going by the whole "communal nature" of a Guild Bank, having someone loot everything is a risk you take. If the items are something you're going to want to have available later, or you're wanting to get them to a specific Guild Member; then you'd be better served by placing those items in your own bank, and/or mailing/trading the items to the specific member directly.

While I agree that it would suck to sign-in one day and see your whole Guild Bank had been cleaned out, it is (again) a risk you take when placing items that you don't want into the Guild Bank.

It is, after all, there for any Guild Member to take or deposit as they see fit.

These are not items we do not want, these are items we share. We donate crafting materials for officers to create potions and all other crafting items for all of our members. So when a single member takes everything it effects us all. We also keep special items in the guild bank for Raffles and contests, items EVERYONE would want.

See the problem? Still a matter of trust for you? Run a guild and see how it feels.

phaseadept

My guild bank was raided. They got like 100 gold worth of food, a dozen or so recipes, and about 1500-3000 gold worth of equipment.

I wanted to thank them for eliminating all the random crap so I didn't have to clean it myself but they left the guild.

DiabloHell

phaseadept wrote: »

My guild bank was raided. They got like 100 gold worth of food, a dozen or so recipes, and about 1500-3000 gold worth of equipment.

I wanted to thank them for eliminating all the random crap so I didn't have to clean it myself but they left the guild.

We had 45 pages stolen. At least 20 were veteran level gear. Not to mention all of the Veteran level crafting materials.

Dahkoht

"1/ The ability to set access to various tabs based on guild rank. "


You mean the feature that every other major mmo in the past 15 years has had ?

Zenimax was being cutting edge and different by not having this , didn't you know ?

That's their idea of "new" , to leave out major features.

Asherons_Call

Options to prevent bank thieves? How bout only give access to people you know and trust? People that have been with the guild a long time? Don't give access to newbies?

Uriel_Nocturne

DiabloHell wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Love_Daggerfall wrote: »

If you only want weapons and armour to be given to people who ask for it just tell them in voice what you have on offer and send it as a attachment in a message. Until then keep them in your own Bank. Guild Banks are just places you put stuff you don't want and its a free for all. You can't expect it to be anything else.

I have to agree with this.

The whole reason you put items in a Guild banks is:

1) You don't want the item(s) yourself.
2) You wanted to put it somewhere that the rest of your Guild may/may not be able to use said item(s) could easily access them.

So, going by the whole "communal nature" of a Guild Bank, having someone loot everything is a risk you take. If the items are something you're going to want to have available later, or you're wanting to get them to a specific Guild Member; then you'd be better served by placing those items in your own bank, and/or mailing/trading the items to the specific member directly.

While I agree that it would suck to sign-in one day and see your whole Guild Bank had been cleaned out, it is (again) a risk you take when placing items that you don't want into the Guild Bank.

It is, after all, there for any Guild Member to take or deposit as they see fit.

Members cannot request items they cannot see. And the only way to see the items is to have full access to the Guild Bank. Members should At Least be able to See and Request items to help keep the circle as closed as possible. It would cut down on the amount of officers are needed to manage the guild bank. Putting restrictions on how many an officer can approve or how many a person can request at a time will eliminate the vast majority of all scamming.

Simply forcing us into blind trust is no way to manage an online community. Every one has to realize that this isn't COD or some other game with a basic guild and thousands of members. This is a TIME CONSUMING QUESTING AND GRINDING MMO and when we lose our items IT MEANS SOMETHING.

1) Why does everyone bring up CoD when I post something? Do I carry a stench? Did I step in some CoD that a dog left behind and it's just lingering around me?

I've never played a Call of Duty game in my life... why does it keep getting brought up?

2) I agree with many of the changes you and others have suggested. I also think you need to step away from the computer and attempt to breathe normally for a minute. You're getting pretty worked up judging by the demeanor of your posts.

3) I'm as passionate about the items/funds I get in my MMO's as anyone else is. In my 30+ years of gaming, my time has been disproportionately spent in RPG's and MMO's. Hell, I even remember the old way to play D&D using the BBS boards in the 80's to game with people from... wherever.

4) I do believe that being able to see what's in a Guild Bank, even if a person isn't a rank to make a withdrawl, would be a nice feature to place into the game. Then they could message a higher ranking member to see if they could get that item.

This is my hobby, and I am as invested in this game as anyone else, and maybe more than most. I understand the emotions that get brought into play when something like this happens. Trying to preach to me about questing, grinding, and how much one gets emotionally attached to them is just condescending and a bit insulting.

You're not the only one who feels passionately about his/her games.

Uriel_Nocturne

DiabloHell wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Love_Daggerfall wrote: »

If you only want weapons and armour to be given to people who ask for it just tell them in voice what you have on offer and send it as a attachment in a message. Until then keep them in your own Bank. Guild Banks are just places you put stuff you don't want and its a free for all. You can't expect it to be anything else.

I have to agree with this.

The whole reason you put items in a Guild banks is:

1) You don't want the item(s) yourself.
2) You wanted to put it somewhere that the rest of your Guild may/may not be able to use said item(s) could easily access them.

So, going by the whole "communal nature" of a Guild Bank, having someone loot everything is a risk you take. If the items are something you're going to want to have available later, or you're wanting to get them to a specific Guild Member; then you'd be better served by placing those items in your own bank, and/or mailing/trading the items to the specific member directly.

While I agree that it would suck to sign-in one day and see your whole Guild Bank had been cleaned out, it is (again) a risk you take when placing items that you don't want into the Guild Bank.

It is, after all, there for any Guild Member to take or deposit as they see fit.

These are not items we do not want, these are items we share. We donate crafting materials for officers to create potions and all other crafting items for all of our members. So when a single member takes everything it effects us all. We also keep special items in the guild bank for Raffles and contests, items EVERYONE would want.

See the problem? Still a matter of trust for you? Run a guild and see how it feels.

Wow, you didn't even give me time to respond to your first slanderous rant.

I do run a Guild, thanks. It runs just fine.

phaseadept

DiabloHell wrote: »

phaseadept wrote: »

My guild bank was raided. They got like 100 gold worth of food, a dozen or so recipes, and about 1500-3000 gold worth of equipment.

I wanted to thank them for eliminating all the random crap so I didn't have to clean it myself but they left the guild.

We had 45 pages stolen. At least 20 were veteran level gear. Not to mention all of the Veteran level crafting materials.

I'm still not clear why guilds store that much equipment in their vaults. Anyone with access can withdraw it all whenever they like.

The was its set up, only put stuff you're willing to part with quickly or all to once in there.

DiabloHell

phaseadept wrote: »

DiabloHell wrote: »

phaseadept wrote: »

My guild bank was raided. They got like 100 gold worth of food, a dozen or so recipes, and about 1500-3000 gold worth of equipment.

I wanted to thank them for eliminating all the random crap so I didn't have to clean it myself but they left the guild.

We had 45 pages stolen. At least 20 were veteran level gear. Not to mention all of the Veteran level crafting materials.

I'm still not clear why guilds store that much equipment in their vaults. Anyone with access can withdraw it all whenever they like.

The was its set up, only put stuff you're willing to part with quickly or all to once in there.

That is no way to run a guild. Dont play MMO's do you? An real MMO guild cannot operate that way, there is no incentives or reason to even have a guild in the first place then. If that's the case there shouldn't even be any guild banks to begin with. Any player can just make a guild and fill it instead of upgrading your own bank size. The system is deeply flawed. Read the posts. Read the solutions. Realize the change would benefit the ESO community. Saying that it is "good enough" as it is shows that it needs to be improved with the next patch.

Run a guild yourself and see how it is. Not being able to trust anyone is no way to have a positive community experience on ESO.

phaseadept

I do play MMOs, and the tools that have been set up mean you either don't put stuff in the guild bank that you don't want to lose, be cautious about who actually gets access, or risk losing everything.

It's a fairly simple concept.

phaseadept

If you lose 45 pages of stuff, you're doing it wrong.

phaseadept

Here's a suggestion.

Take 10 officers. Create a guild. Fill bank with important stuff.

Use smart glass to format a MOTD that lists important stuff like dropped sets and crafted items and resources for people in the guild to look at.

Let them message or mail you for specific rare or expensive items you want.

Win.

Uriel_Nocturne

phaseadept wrote: »

I do play MMOs, and the tools that have been set up mean you either don't put stuff in the guild bank that you don't want to lose, be cautious about who actually gets access, or risk losing everything.

It's a fairly simple concept.

This.

This is exactly what I was saying.

Lenikus

JediRift wrote: »

Did you read the thread at all? /smh
First off, on console people who do not have full access to the bank can not even view the items in the bank, unless they have 100% access to withdraw freely,

Ooooh it was console problem, yea, i got it now,
you're screwed... keep getting stolen then, i don't have any idea why they'd make it different from pc, since it had a functional system, but anyway, keep the thread alive, probably a dev will come /lurk here

schwarzman1

Maybe an approval for withdrawing items from the bank is needed. You can withdraw items but they don't hit your inventory until an officer approves the transaction(s).

NewBlacksmurf

honestly the UI for banking, stores needs the same attention - like symbols if they do tabs or highlighted in red, etc so that things are a lot more user friendly and visually appealing.

Great ideas here but I'd like to see it look a lot different console and PC