PVP in a nutshell minus opinions

oopurple

So to keep this short, the game is pretty well balanced for an MMO. If you arent doing well in pvp its more then likely you're fault. I am a healer and the games a blast. Stop being a mindless YOLO'ER. Thanks.

Kloud

Yeah healers are op gg dude

oopurple

Ive also played on a friends dk and a friends nightblade. All is well as long as you play you're part. If you cant play correctly i recommend going to kill mindless NPC's. I mean you can YOLO and die over and over again like an idiot, thats fine. But the second you complain and call an imbalance or flaw in the games system is where i get annoyed, along with others. Take the time and find a group and communicate

wasnt sure if you were being sarcastic. The game isnt fun just because i main a faceroll role. Ive excelled in other classes also.

Kloud

Getting one shot by snipes and frags/overload and heavy attacks from stealth is pretty imbalanced if you ask me and nirnhoned needs nerfed a bit other then that I'd say the game is fine and a I was being sarcastic healers do not face roll anything last time I checked you just kill the healer first and gg and honestly I wouldn't care if the game stayed just as is I would still play just because I like the game even tho there's issues

Cathexis

oopurple

I always see all these personal experiences with being "one shotted" and things being imbalanced but man i literally play pvp in this game around 5-8 hours a day and i just dont see all these things. As my healer or nightblade and DK. Im not saying the games perfect and certain things arent broken. But looking at the big picture, they have done an amazing job at balancing a game with this type of mass scale battles. And im saying i can faceroll as a healer because i literally stand extrememly far back and heal. If someone trys to get to me they have to walk by my 20 man group. Because im always in a 15 man group or more. Because im not an idiot and know that this is what it takes to play. Please dont post on this if you are one of the guys who are running around with a 5 man group with no healer complaining about being killed by 15+ people.

Lava_Croft

Lay off the Skooma.

Kloud

If you run with a zerg the game is ez mode for everyone evolved your cwnt prove your a good player when there's 20 people I'm front of you .... just saying lol

oopurple

the game is literally designed to be this way, so if you or anyone is looking to lone wolf and smash someone. Its not going to happen very often which brings me back to the point of this post. THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO STOP PLAYING PVP IF ALL THEY ARE GOING TO DO IS THAT AND COMPLAIN. The game is supposed to be full of 20v20 battles or more. even a group of 5 cant even take the NPCs at a keep by themselves with no other actual players opposing. im just trying to clarify the game and hows its engineered. but i mean like i said, if you dont care about dying 20 times in a row running around alone then by all means, go for it. Just dont call the pvp system bad XD

lara_croft has no actual input. typical

Beegie_B

Teamwork is essential in this PVP. Those who say otherwise, are probably the ones on Ebonheart constantly getting rolled in the Blackwater Blade.

Erock25

oopurple wrote: »

even a group of 5 cant even take the NPCs at a keep by themselves with no other actual players opposing.

I solo keep NPCs, Jimmy.

Cathexis

FYI if your hiding behind 20 people, you aren't facerolling anything.

ALSO I'm sick of this *** assumption that if you aren't in a zerg your expectation must be that you want to solo zergs and survive infinitely. I don't think I've ever read one post that has suggested that that is the way anyone wants to play.

What people DO complain about is dieing to things like 5 steel tornados or a macro with 5 stacked instant snipes. That *** isn't fun. Its just stupid. Its not real fighting, and its not real skill. Making the point that its a legitimate play style is like jerking off in an elevator full of people; sure you can do it, but everyone in the elivator will be disgusted by you and some of them will contact the authorities.

noobfury

Heal this OP.
Oh wait , this happened in less than 2 seconds.




Maybe this would be easier




Nevermind.



Your right .



I need more practice.

Ace_SiN

The one shots are poisonous for the health of the game. Being knocked off your horse and dying(because you can't break the CC) is one thing and I can actually accept that(since it's your fault for running your horse until it's out of stamina). However, just being out in the field and being .5ed by one guy is stupid. You should have an opportunity to effectively react to your opponent. That's what promotes a healthy PvP environment.

I dream of one day having lag free PvP and gameplay that promotes a high skill ceiling(the popular 1 shot builds don't take any skill to "win" with..). I doubt even one of those will ever be accomplished though.

PeggymoeXD

oopurple wrote: »

I always see all these personal experiences with being "one shotted" and things being imbalanced but man i literally play pvp in this game around 5-8 hours a day and i just dont see all these things. As my healer or nightblade and DK. Im not saying the games perfect and certain things arent broken. But looking at the big picture, they have done an amazing job at balancing a game with this type of mass scale battles. And im saying i can faceroll as a healer because i literally stand extrememly far back and heal. If someone trys to get to me they have to walk by my 20 man group. Because im always in a 15 man group or more.

Where I stopped reading.

Ace_SiN

oopurple wrote: »

I always see all these personal experiences with being "one shotted" and things being imbalanced but man i literally play pvp in this game around 5-8 hours a day and i just dont see all these things.

You either don't PvP for 5-8 hours a day like you claim or you run around in a massive blob where you have 10+ healers spamming buttons while others spam AoE like magicka detonation. Even still... 1 shotting the "fat kids"(the zerglings that fall a bit behind) is still pretty common. I guess you're in the middle of the blob 100% of the time.

oopurple wrote: »

the game is literally designed to be this way, so if you or anyone is looking to lone wolf and smash someone. Its not going to happen very often which brings me back to the point of this post. THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO STOP PLAYING PVP IF ALL THEY ARE GOING TO DO IS THAT AND COMPLAIN. The game is supposed to be full of 20v20 battles or more. even a group of 5 cant even take the NPCs at a keep by themselves with no other actual players opposing. im just trying to clarify the game and hows its engineered. but i mean like i said, if you dont care about dying 20 times in a row running around alone then by all means, go for it. Just dont call the pvp system bad XD

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

1) The same 1 shot builds most complain about have smashed in the back lines of your zerg blobs and killed a sizeable chunk of you. I've seen players such as Kerviz do this all the time. That is until you guys start the AoE blob of death rotations going where the only thing you can do is counter with your own AoE Blob spam.

2) The game offers more than 1 way to play. It's not only designed for 20v20+. ZOS even keeps giving us more incentives to spread out into smaller groups.

3) A group of around 5 can take a keep if not opposed by players.. Again.. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

PvP is not "bad", but it's not in a good spot either. The lag, the 1 shots, a broken trait, and the current AoE cap needs to be fixed(AoE damage should NOT be reduced the more people it hits). PvP is a low skill ceiling lagfest. WoW offers more skillful gameplay than this.

oopurple

well i do pvp at least 6 hours a day and i do just fine on all my accounts. So you know what ill do, what im doing because IT WORKS. You can keep doing what you're doing and get smashed. if you ever need tips come on back and i can help you play better. But its always going to involve 15 or more players. Like i said, if you want to run around with 5-10 people, you are severly lowering you're own odds on suriviving unless you are defending a keep with heavy seige. And as for those death recaps. how can we even know if its from one person ? i PROMISE YOU IVE NEVER BEEN HIT THAT HARD FROM ONE PERSON. When i do ill come on this thread and complain. But even if it was one player. it seems like its multiple classes. why dont you just do the same thing ? you will never be able to make a perfect pvp game like this. So if thats what you are looking for get off. Im not saying its right, im just being realistic. And i am face rolling because even when getting tagged from 5 ranged people i can just run around and breath of light like 10 times laughing. as my team mops them up.

Again if you want to have fun just play accordingly. some of the top players in each campaign are different classes. so obviously they are doing something right and you arent. im sorry but its a fact. I see healers, dks and sorcs at the top of mine currently. and i can almost promise you they are sticking with a group and going in the correct way. YOU ARENT DOING IT RIGHT. PROMISE.

until then. have fun in any way you can

oopurple

Cathexis wrote: »

FYI if your hiding behind 20 people, you aren't facerolling anything.

ALSO I'm sick of this *** assumption that if you aren't in a zerg your expectation must be that you want to solo zergs and survive infinitely. I don't think I've ever read one post that has suggested that that is the way anyone wants to play.

What people DO complain about is dieing to things like 5 steel tornados or a macro with 5 stacked instant snipes. That *** isn't fun. Its just stupid. Its not real fighting, and its not real skill. Making the point that its a legitimate play style is like jerking off in an elevator full of people; sure you can do it, but everyone in the elivator will be disgusted by you and some of them will contact the authorities.

no post is going to say how they are playing (typically) but im sure you can see how people play, they are completely mental. So i have to assume they arent playing rcorrectly if they are on here complaining. Man if i was having problems i just may come on here and make a post complaining about inbalance and this and that. But i do JUST fine. I dont see how others can consistantly now have the same experience unless they arent doing something right. Im not saying im perfect, but what im doing is obviously better then all you kids posting "imbalance" on this post here. I cant see it any other way.

oopurple

Ace_SiN wrote: »

oopurple wrote: »

I always see all these personal experiences with being "one shotted" and things being imbalanced but man i literally play pvp in this game around 5-8 hours a day and i just dont see all these things.

You either don't PvP for 5-8 hours a day like you claim or you run around in a massive blob where you have 10+ healers spamming buttons while others spam AoE like magicka detonation. Even still... 1 shotting the "fat kids"(the zerglings that fall a bit behind) is still pretty common. I guess you're in the middle of the blob 100% of the time.

oopurple wrote: »

the game is literally designed to be this way, so if you or anyone is looking to lone wolf and smash someone. Its not going to happen very often which brings me back to the point of this post. THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO STOP PLAYING PVP IF ALL THEY ARE GOING TO DO IS THAT AND COMPLAIN. The game is supposed to be full of 20v20 battles or more. even a group of 5 cant even take the NPCs at a keep by themselves with no other actual players opposing. im just trying to clarify the game and hows its engineered. but i mean like i said, if you dont care about dying 20 times in a row running around alone then by all means, go for it. Just dont call the pvp system bad XD

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

1) The same 1 shot builds most complain about have smashed in the back lines of your zerg blobs and killed a sizeable chunk of you. I've seen players such as Kerviz do this all the time. That is until you guys start the AoE blob of death rotations going where the only thing you can do is counter with your own AoE Blob spam.

2) The game offers more than 1 way to play. It's not only designed for 20v20+. ZOS even keeps giving us more incentives to spread out into smaller groups.

3) A group of around 5 can take a keep if not opposed by players.. Again.. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

PvP is not "bad", but it's not in a good spot either. The lag, the 1 shots, a broken trait, and the current AoE cap needs to be fixed(AoE damage should NOT be reduced the more people it hits). PvP is a low skill ceiling lagfest. WoW offers more skillful gameplay than this.

Of course a 5 man group can take a keep if there are not players. But from personal experience this is rarely a case. And even so it is extrememly difficult to do so. Its all about risk management and a high risk high reward mentality. If you take that risk and get smashed i mean, its you're fault isnt it ? NPC's are no joke.

oopurple

Oh and lawl at the WOW reference. please do not compare these two games. and WOW is a joke now (coming from a 2700 mmr rating arena player) Healer main

Soulac

noobfury wrote: »

Heal this OP.
Oh wait , this happened in less than 2 seconds.




Maybe this would be easier




Nevermind.



Your right .



I need more practice.

Tbh you could probably block the meteor, don't know if there was a NB tho.
In the last screen you got wrecking blowed thrice, your fault :P

The insta deaths.. This crap shouldn't happen that easy.

oopurple

why dont you guys add my GT : oo purple....and ill come to you're campaign and we will get a 15 man group and i promise we will faceroll. ill bring 2 templar healers along with myself who heals. We can do this the correct way

BigTone

noobfury wrote: »

Heal this OP.

Nevermind.

This one REALLY made me laugh. I'm just sitting here imagining four different beams coming at you and the troll faces of the ppl who did it. Thank you for that.

byrom101b16_ESO

oopurple wrote: »

why dont you guys add my GT : oo purple....and ill come to you're campaign and we will get a 15 man group and i promise we will faceroll. ill bring 2 templar healers along with myself who heals. We can do this the correct way

Anyone with less than average hand to eye coordination or better, a working understanding of how to move their mouse and membership of a bomb-group or other form of zerg can get excellent results from such inane and laughably ezemode play.

I don't PvP much in this game because it's boring as hell - not something I changed my mind on after wracking up a 50 kills/no death kill steak the last time I bomb-grouped in Thornblade.

PvP in this game is a joke, as is claiming there is an ounce of skill in blobbing around the map spamming the same skills over and over whilst following the commands of a leader on TS like a slavish drone.

If you do that 6-8 hours a day you must get a real kick out of mindless repetition...

If you want to play a game with some PvP skill required, come back here and tell us with screenshots how you dominated there, then you'll prove you 'dominate' in PvP.

In this game, doing what you do proves precisely nothing about your PvP abilities, or anyone else using the same tactic for that matter, myself included.

oopurple

you are probably right, but you're statements irrelavent. We are discussing how to have more fun and to do better in pvp. based off you're response i dont even really see why you commented at all. It all adds nothing to any of our points really. except maybe reinforcing how my playstyle is the correct way to play if you ARE GOING TO PLAY IT.

"I don't PvP much in this game because it's boring as hell - not something I changed my mind on after wracking up a 50 kills/no death kill steak the last time I bomb-grouped in Thornblade."

you did it right. thanks

oopurple

i think people forget that you have to cater to the game more then you do you're own prefered playstyle. Because if everyone could 100% play how they actually wanted to, all games would be perfect. and thats impossible.

Takllin

Wait, the title said minus opinions except it is all opinions, even the OP.....

oopurple

Takllin wrote: »

Wait, the title said minus opinions except it is all opinions, even the OP.....

Lets call them opinions. But even following all of these opinionated ways yields different results right ? so why dont we go with the "opinionated" playstyle that works the best and do that one ? which by the look of the post it seems to be mine.

if you want to get technical, just about everything in life is an equation or statistic, or both. Anything can broken down or challenged almost. Dont be a smartass haha.

i appreciate the input. i agree. this is all opinionated i suppose. My opinion seems to yield the best results though as i stated.

oopurple

Erock25 wrote: »

oopurple wrote: »

even a group of 5 cant even take the NPCs at a keep by themselves with no other actual players opposing.

I solo keep NPCs, Jimmy.

i also doubt this. whats you're class and spec ? i have tanks, NB and sorcs who cant even come close to solloing NPC's. unless you are a straight tank, which in turn this would take forever.

Takllin

oopurple wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Wait, the title said minus opinions except it is all opinions, even the OP.....

Lets call them opinions. But even following all of these opinionated ways yields different results right ? so why dont we go with the "opinionated" playstyle that works the best and do that one ? which by the look of the post it seems to be mine.

if you want to get technical, just about everything in life is an equation or statistic, or both. Anything can broken down or challenged almost. Dont be a smartass haha.

i appreciate the input. i agree. this is all opinionated i suppose. My opinion seems to yield the best results though as i stated.

I posted it because you said this was without opinion except that's exactly what this is. I couldn't decide if you were trolling or just didn't realize your contradiction.

Everyone enjoys different play styles, just because something works for you doesn't mean that it works for someone else, or that they would even enjoy it. Your playstyle isn't the best, and this is far too small of a sample size to even make that assumption.

I've seen small groups wreck the size you run with because they have more skill and coordination. Numbers is not everything in this game, though it does give you a big advantage.

Takllin

oopurple wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

oopurple wrote: »

even a group of 5 cant even take the NPCs at a keep by themselves with no other actual players opposing.

I solo keep NPCs, Jimmy.

i also doubt this. whats you're class and spec ? i have tanks, NB and sorcs who cant even come close to solloing NPC's. unless you are a straight tank, which in turn this would take forever.

He's an amazingly skilled Magicka Sorc. Watch his youtube videos.

Are you new to ESO with the console launch? This would explain a lot.