Stamina Sorcerer news from AMA

SturgeHammer

High damage stamina Morph of lightning form confirmed!!!

Also, beefed up dark exchange!

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/39gv5r/the_elder_scroll_online_tamriel_unlimited_team/cs3bmlh

Derra

I swear to god if they rob my runspeed morph i´m going on a rampage.

Xsorus

"For the next major update you'll see a lot of cool customization options with all the crazy new item sets. For example we've got one that will have you running around chasing orbs for bonus damage, or additional attacks vs targets with damage shields."

dsalter

this wont solve anything.
my reply would help.

as someone who has played a stamina based sorc since the first stamina buff and made a guide on it (for DW). this is barely going to make a difference. we need an instant damage melee range ability. and an initiation that works in stealth. otherwise we are pressured into magicka builds by nature.
my solution is make streak into a new ability morph, one that works in stealth and increases next melee abilities damage by 20%. and also changing the AoE morph of shards to a melee "slam punch" that has AoE damage but melee range, can still stun.

basicly the AoE morph is barely used so that opens a window for a melee sorc move.
and streak would make a great stealth initiation

cschwingeb14_ESO

I find it hilarious that melee/ranged/stam/magicka sorc all have the same issue. Lack of a good spamable instant attack.

Fury is such a good candidate for a morph that double the base damage, but cuts the execute down to 1/3

k2blader

Interesting.. I'm actually rolling a stam sorc to play around with. The other classes don't interest me as much as sorc. :-)

Mr_Nobody

Over 500 comments with questions/answers, and not a single one about Templars. Yeah, right. Do they create fake reddit accounts and ask these random Lore related questions themselves or wut?

Snit

It sounds like sorcs might make good Steel Tornado bots, though having to stop and channel to regain stamina is... an idea that could only come from someone who doesn't take PvP at all seriously.

SturgeHammer

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

I find it hilarious that melee/ranged/stam/magicka sorc all have the same issue. Lack of a good spamable instant attack.

Fury is such a good candidate for a morph that double the base damage, but cuts the execute down to 1/3

Not having an instant, preferably melee range, attack is an issue. Often slowing down to cast something like wrecking blow can be a huge risk when you rely solely on mobility to survive. If the damage is high enough on the new lightning form, maybe it'll fill that gap somewhat.

mcurley

I'm confused... there are plenty of instant cast abilities for Sorcs to choose from. They just don't happen to be Sorc class skills but every weapon line, guild line, and even alliance war lines have instant cast skills that work just fine.

Garion

If you want to play stamina go play another class. It's a SORCERER class, i.e someone who wields magic as his weapon. If they destroy my class for stamina QQers I will be outta here faster than a faster than you can say "bolt escape".

Ace_SiN

Garion wrote: »

If you want to play stamina go play another class. It's a SORCERER class, i.e someone who wields magic as his weapon. If they destroy my class for stamina QQers I will be outta here faster than a faster than you can say "bolt escape".

Someone doesn't play many RPGs.. Sure ESO might not follow the traditional method of Hybrid Classes(requiring a magic resource to do anything...magical), but hybrids are still nothing new(which all the classes in ESO are, btw..). So, a sorcerer doesn't have to be someone that strictly sits in the back and casts ranged spells with a staff.

There are more than enough useless morphs that the average magicka Sorc doesn't use(like Thundering Presence). Those morphs can easily be changed to accommodate stam builds without affecting magicka.

Emma_Overload

mcurley wrote: »

I'm confused... there are plenty of instant cast abilities for Sorcs to choose from. They just don't happen to be Sorc class skills but every weapon line, guild line, and even alliance war lines have instant cast skills that work just fine.

There is NOTHING a Stamina Sorc can add to a Sword and Board bar that does useful damage. Templars, for example, have the Biting Jabs, or whatever the stamina morph is called. I'm sure Dragonknights have tons of stuff, too... isn't there a stamina morph of Flame Lash?

SturgeHammer

Garion wrote: »

If you want to play stamina go play another class. It's a SORCERER class, i.e someone who wields magic as his weapon. If they destroy my class for stamina QQers I will be outta here faster than a faster than you can say "bolt escape".

Spellswords are a part of the TES universe and stam sorcerers are as close as we can get, unfortunately the class system doesn't really provide a clear identity for these sub classes.

BigTone

mcurley wrote: »

I'm confused... there are plenty of instant cast abilities for Sorcs to choose from. They just don't happen to be Sorc class skills but every weapon line, guild line, and even alliance war lines have instant cast skills that work just fine.

As a magicka sorc, I have been trying very hard to get away from a destro staff but can't figure out how to do good damage without using crushing shock. Please inform me of my options.

Garion

Ace_SiN wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

If you want to play stamina go play another class. It's a SORCERER class, i.e someone who wields magic as his weapon. If they destroy my class for stamina QQers I will be outta here faster than a faster than you can say "bolt escape".

Someone doesn't play many RPGs.. Sure ESO might not follow the traditional method of Hybrid Classes(requiring a magic resource to do anything...magical), but hybrids are still nothing new(which all the classes in ESO are, btw..). So, a sorcerer doesn't have to be someone that strictly sits in the back and casts ranged spells with a staff.

There are more than enough useless morphs that the average magicka Sorc doesn't use(like Thundering Presence). Those morphs can easily be changed to accommodate stam builds without affecting magicka.

Which is fine, and I'm all for them doing it. But the alterations to DKs and, to some extent NBs, in 1.6 virtually killed magicka versions of those classes, only the best players are maintaining magicka builds while every and their dog is running FOTM stam builds. I hope Zenimax doesn't do the same to sorc. I'll keep playing magicka whatever happens, but I just hope they don't do anything to destroy the viability of magicka sorcs like they did with other classes.

Snit

There are a few players doing well in PvP with stamina sorcs now. I'd be curious to see what people like @FENGRUSH think of these proposals, and whether they might address some of what stamina sorcs currently lack.

Snit

Derra wrote: »

I swear to god if they rob my runspeed morph i´m going on a rampage.

Yeah, I agree.

I'm not on board with the "Sorcs should only be magicka, because Gandalf" crowd. All classes should have excellent options for both stam and magicka. But Boundless Storm may be my favorite spell for my magicka sorc, so I hope that isn't the morph that vanishes.

Derra

Snit wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I swear to god if they rob my runspeed morph i´m going on a rampage.

Yeah, I agree.

I'm not on board with the "Sorcs should only be magicka, because Gandalf" crowd. All classes should have excellent options for both stam and magicka. But Boundless Storm may be my favorite spell for my magicka sorc, so I hope that isn't the morph that vanishes.

I have a really bad feeling that it will be the one going to be the stamina version.
This is because:
It´s widely considered the preferable choice in pvp where sorcs are considered overperforming - this morph plays a greater part in sorcs battlefield mobility than bolt escape does imho.
It fits the stam theme (speed) better than the other choice.

SturgeHammer

Derra wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I swear to god if they rob my runspeed morph i´m going on a rampage.

Yeah, I agree.

I'm not on board with the "Sorcs should only be magicka, because Gandalf" crowd. All classes should have excellent options for both stam and magicka. But Boundless Storm may be my favorite spell for my magicka sorc, so I hope that isn't the morph that vanishes.

I have a really bad feeling that it will be the one going to be the stamina version.
This is because:
It´s widely considered the preferable choice in pvp where sorcs are considered overperforming - this morph plays a greater part in sorcs battlefield mobility than bolt escape does imho.
It fits the stam theme (speed) better than the other choice.

ZOS_Eric said 'added' so maybe it will be in addition to other morphs. @ZOS_GinaBruno would it be possible to get a clarification?

k2blader

Snit wrote: »

There are a few players doing well in PvP with stamina sorcs now. I'd be curious to see what people like @FENGRUSH think of these proposals, and whether they might address some of what stamina sorcs currently lack.

Actually, can you ask stamina sorcs who *don't* run around with a partner or grouped all the time? It's easy to roll over fewer opponents, sub-VRs, etc.

Snit

k2blader wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

There are a few players doing well in PvP with stamina sorcs now. I'd be curious to see what people like @FENGRUSH think of these proposals, and whether they might address some of what stamina sorcs currently lack.

Actually, can you ask stamina sorcs who *don't* run around with a partner or grouped all the time? It's easy to roll over fewer opponents, sub-VRs, etc.

Nope. I'm not interested in solo play.

I know half the denizens of this board consider 1v1 to be the key to Cyrodiil balance, but I find it barely relevant. Soloists don't change the map. Groups do. Performance in teams of 4 to 24 people is the most important factor for determining which faction wins.

Some of those duelists are very skilled players, and I've learned a lot from their vids. But they're playing a different game.

cozmon3c_ESO

These changes wont change jack for stam sorcs in pvp, imo.

k2blader

Snit wrote: »

Nope. I'm not interested in solo play.

I know half the denizens of this board consider 1v1 to be the key to Cyrodiil balance, but I find it barely relevant. Soloists don't change the map. Groups do. Performance in teams of 4 to 24 people is the most important factor for determining which faction wins.

Some of those duelists are very skilled players, and I've learned a lot from their vids. But they're playing a different game.

I hear you. I'm not into dueling either. But the person you mention, I have never seen without another player or several supporting, and usually against pugs. Maybe I didn't phrase it well enough: can you ask stamina sorcs who *don't* run around where odds (level, rank, number of opponents, etc.) are always in their favor.

Ace_SiN

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

These changes wont change jack for stam sorcs in pvp, imo.

Well if they fix Dark Exchange the way it needs to be changed(remove the channel) then they will at least be some welcomed additions to an otherwise non-existent set of tools currently at a stam sorcs disposal. Stam sorc still needs a spammable dps skill though. Wrecking Blow is the only option atm.. It's a nice skill when it lands, but that windup is a pain to deal with against certain opponents.

Cathexis

Still no stamina be, no stamina range attack, and no stamina based bubble = still underpowered version of nightblade without cloak.

FENGRUSH

k2blader wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Nope. I'm not interested in solo play.

I know half the denizens of this board consider 1v1 to be the key to Cyrodiil balance, but I find it barely relevant. Soloists don't change the map. Groups do. Performance in teams of 4 to 24 people is the most important factor for determining which faction wins.

Some of those duelists are very skilled players, and I've learned a lot from their vids. But they're playing a different game.

I hear you. I'm not into dueling either. But the person you mention, I have never seen without another player or several supporting, and usually against pugs. Maybe I didn't phrase it well enough: can you ask stamina sorcs who *don't* run around where odds (level, rank, number of opponents, etc.) are always in their favor.

Yep, DC is outnumbering AD on the regular at azuras.

Those who are punished repeatedly by The Lord FENGRUSH find it difficult to respect Him. You will accept FENGRUSH in time.

Derra

Snit wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

There are a few players doing well in PvP with stamina sorcs now. I'd be curious to see what people like @FENGRUSH think of these proposals, and whether they might address some of what stamina sorcs currently lack.

Actually, can you ask stamina sorcs who *don't* run around with a partner or grouped all the time? It's easy to roll over fewer opponents, sub-VRs, etc.

Nope. I'm not interested in solo play.

I know half the denizens of this board consider 1v1 to be the key to Cyrodiil balance, but I find it barely relevant. Soloists don't change the map. Groups do. Performance in teams of 4 to 24 people is the most important factor for determining which faction wins.

Some of those duelists are very skilled players, and I've learned a lot from their vids. But they're playing a different game.

I would not say that. I´m almost exclusively roaming solo or duo - max grp size since 1.6 has been 6 ppl i think. While those ppl may not change the map directly they definetly DO have influence on keepfights since the removal of forward camps.

We´re often able to kill dozens of players on reinforcement routes before they start chasing us with 15+ ppl. Those are all missing where they are needed.
I don´t think we could make the same impact while raiding bc tight spaces in keeps make it way harder to outmaneuver opponents.

Alcast

Xsorus wrote: »

"For the next major update you'll see a lot of cool customization options with all the crazy new item sets. For example we've got one that will have you running around chasing orbs for bonus damage, or additional attacks vs targets with damage shields."

the orb chasing sounds so dumb, srsly

Snit

Derra wrote: »

We´re often able to kill dozens of players on reinforcement routes before they start chasing us with 15+ ppl. Those are all missing where they are needed.
I don´t think we could make the same impact while raiding bc tight spaces in keeps make it way harder to outmaneuver opponents.

I may have overstated the case a bit

In any event, I'd like to hear from people who actually play Stam Sorcs at a high level in PvP. I can only think of the one. I'm sure there are others, but it's not at all a common build.

TBois

Derra wrote: »

I swear to god if they rob my runspeed morph i´m going on a rampage.

This is my fear. In the past they have changed morphs that people don't use. I think boundless strom is used quite frequently for the run speed. The high damage morph would probably be a change to thundering presence, but then you might have to choose between the higher damage stam morph or the boost in speed. I hope zos considers how well the speed buff works with stam and keeps it in w/e they intend for the stam morph.