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Dragonknights need an escape ability like NB and Sorc's
Aquanova
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I haven't pvp'd for awhile, not since the mass exodus from Thorn anyways and just recently it's been getting a pulse. Even though I've adapted to most of the changes one thing has become quite apparent to me, DK'S are under powered now. It was inevitable as we were very OP in 1.5, but the new changes along with the nerfs, changes to stamina builds, nirnhoned traits (both armor and weaponry) and the the buffs and changes to NB'S and Sorc's have really put Dragonknights at the near, if not the bottom of the totem pole for viability for past pvp. PVP I stress. I know we are very well equipped for pve, but the class isn't as competitive in pvp as the aforementioned classes, we'll not anymore. I just had a pretty good night of pvp in cyrodiil but noticed that the times I died when facing a worthy opponent that forced me to duke it out with them, if they were a NB or a Sorc, I would lose when they would be near death and use their escape skill and go into stealth, forcing me to have to be totally on the defensive and switch pot's, spam AOE's in the hopes that they were still near me or just keep block up and wait for a sneak attack, or they would Bolt escape far enough away that I would have to use rapid maneuvers and blow all my stamina trying to chase them down. Now these escape skills were very much essential in 1.5 for reason I'm not going to go through since you (ZOS) know why you gave them those in the first place, but now the balance of power has shifted to much in favor of those classes. Once contact is made in the game, they should not be able to disengage from it as they are now when you have made changes that make them equally as formidable to the other 2 classes which don't have an escape skill. If a DK goes stamina what advantage does he have over a NB? Or a Sorc? a sorc can pick up a 2h sword and do just as much damage as a DK. The same goes for NB'S. Magicka is the same ( even though Sorc's who pvp will claim otherwise for Pve trials etc) But I'm focusing on PVP. When my health drops to near fatal levels, I can't Bolt escape to a safe distance to give me time to regen health if my panacea is on cool down and GDB isn't providing enough of a heal to help me through the massive damage increases you've implemented. I can't drop into stealth right in front of my enemy and and avoid that killing blow, this doesn't even happen in pve. For a Dragonknight once contact with the enemy is made, it's a duel to the death. We can't escape at all unless the enemy is killed.....period!!!! Now, I'd be cool with that if we were still this uber tanking class with that type of game play style weaved into it's design, and it was. But through skillful manipulation, other classes have managed to convinced you to nerf Dragonknights into the ground. What was wrong with deflecting all projectiles for the duration of wings? it only forced you to take on DK'S at close quarters?we still deflect projectiles but now we must keep track of how many per cast which is more of an annoyance really and a slight waste of resources, but this is not about changing the past. I've come to except those changes, what I can't except is we were nerfed to bring us more in line with what other classes could accomplish which is debatable and to some extant make us more vulnerable. I mean let's be honest, that's what the nerf and the many others really are, attempts at making classes vulnerable enough so that each class has a chance ( on a one on one basis ) to kill or be killed by the others. As it stands, only 2 classes have those abilities to avoid being killed by the other with classes which in my and many others opinions is out of balance. Would a viable escape be OP for DK'S as they are right now? If it is then there needs to be a suitable way to equal the odds in these encounters. One that gives DK'S and templars the means to disengage from a fight or to quickly finish it.....i.e a buff to skills that can counter these escapes effectively.
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✭DK's are the shock troops of Cyrodiil. We lead the way into the inferno and stand in the breach on defense. We do not retreat. Escape is for sissy nightblades and sorcs.Fernwood, EP Haderus NA
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✭✭✭Thanks for the wall of text, not hard to read at all...... Also What Weberda said. If you really need something just pop on retreating maneuver.1 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Organize your thoughts into paragraphs, it's much easier on the reader.
I personally don't want an escape it's just not the type of class we are. If they gave it to use they would have to give it to templars as well as our sister class. I would rather they fix our class in a way that reflects the fact that we do not have a class escape.Edited by Armitas on 28 May 2015 14:35Retired.
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭DK's are the shock troops of Cyrodiil. We lead the way into the inferno and stand in the breach on defense. We do not retreat. Escape is for sissy nightblades and sorcs.
Yeah I know that ***, but we should get some luv in that department. Don't you agree?paulsimonps wrote: »Thanks for the wall of text, not hard to read at all...... Also What Weberda said. If you really need something just pop on retreating maneuver.
@paulsimonps Go pop your retreating maneuver then
Organize your thoughts into paragraphs, it's much easier on the reader.
I personally don't want an escape it's just not the type of class we are. If they gave it to use they would have to give it to templars as well as our sister class. I would rather they fix our class in a way that reflects the fact that we do not have a class escape.
@Armitas Well I'm drunk so.....go pop a retreating maneuver too lol....jk jk..... as for organizing my paragraphs, you knew what I meant didn't you?Edited by Aquanova on 28 May 2015 14:49NA/PC0 -
Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"1 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?Edited by Aquanova on 28 May 2015 14:58NA/PC0 -
Weberda✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
Because it's not our job to flee. Our role is melee. Besides, you can't expect to hightail it out of there wearing heavy armor even if you're wearing Nikes. Seriously tho Armitas is correct. We've been nerfed so much it is much harder for us to do our job. It's a big challenge. I for one would like to see the HP level back to pre C.P. days.
Fernwood, EP Haderus NA
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
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Drink every day after work and you shall learn young padawan
1.6 came out, so I'm half way there already.Retired.
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
Because it's not our job to flee. Our role is melee. Besides, you can't expect to hightail it out of there wearing heavy armor even if you're wearing Nikes. Seriously tho Armitas is correct. We've been nerfed so much it is much harder for us to do our job. It's a big challenge. I for one would like to see the HP level back to pre C.P. days.
I agree 100%, but since ZOS seems dead set on keeping these changes why not join the escaping Bolt Escaping and Stealth attacking NB'S and Sorc's?Edited by Aquanova on 28 May 2015 15:14NA/PC0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭
Drink every day after work and you shall learn young padawan
1.6 came out, so I'm half way there already.
I feel your pain
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eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭If DKs get an escape I want my NBs to have GDB and Flapflaps .
You're a DK, your class is designed to stand its ground; half your abilities are perfect for standing your ground. If you really want an escape that badly, pop an invisible pot and quiet down.2 -
Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
because they cant tank but flee, you can tank ´but lack the option of running. its either or. and not have the best of all as you were used to have in 1.5 and before.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
Weberda✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
Because it's not our job to flee. Our role is melee. Besides, you can't expect to hightail it out of there wearing heavy armor even if you're wearing Nikes. Seriously tho Armitas is correct. We've been nerfed so much it is much harder for us to do our job. It's a big challenge. I for one would like to see the HP level back to pre C.P. days.
I agree 100%, but since ZOS seems dead set on keeping these changes why not join the escaping Bolt Escaping and Stealth fighting NB'S and Sorc's?
Shoot, we can't even get them to fix some of the basic issues in PvP. Just resigned myself to the current conditions and accepted the challenge. NB's get a nasty surprise from Death's Wind armor, sorcs hate nirnhone, and for PvE dungeons the Juggernaut set makes the group's healer job much easier.
Fernwood, EP Haderus NA
Lo Behold, AD Thornblade NA (formerly Haderus, inactive)0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭If DKs get an escape I want my NBs to have GDB and Flapflaps .
You're a DK, your class is designed to stand its ground; half your abilities are perfect for standing your ground. If you really want an escape that badly, pop an invisible pot and quiet down.
I would be all for that if I didn't have to search for the flowers to make an invisible pot and when it's used, not having a cool down period . You quiet down please. Edited by Aquanova on 28 May 2015 15:18NA/PC0 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
Because it's our job to die, as it turns out. First goes the templar...usually just splat, half way through waving his healy hand with animation gcd penalty. Than it's time for the DK, after furiously jamming down block, trying to self-heal and flapping wings for 30 sec or so he dies to. ESO 1.6.3 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
because they cant tank but flee, you can tank ´but lack the option of running. its either or. and not have the best of all as you were used to have in 1.5 and before.
Dude.....NB'S can tank. Just not as good as a DK if were looking at skills vs skills. But the basic premise of alot of health and Stam is not exclusive to DKS.NA/PC0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
Because it's not our job to flee. Our role is melee. Besides, you can't expect to hightail it out of there wearing heavy armor even if you're wearing Nikes. Seriously tho Armitas is correct. We've been nerfed so much it is much harder for us to do our job. It's a big challenge. I for one would like to see the HP level back to pre C.P. days.
I agree 100%, but since ZOS seems dead set on keeping these changes why not join the escaping Bolt Escaping and Stealth fighting NB'S and Sorc's?
Shoot, we can't even get them to fix some of the basic issues in PvP. Just resigned myself to the current conditions and accepted the challenge. NB's get a nasty surprise from Death's Wind armor, sorcs hate nirnhone, and for PvE dungeons the Juggernaut set makes the group's healer job much easier.
Yes I know, but I'll flog that dead horse until it's hamburger if I must.NA/PC0 -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭I would be all for that if I didn't have to search for the flowers to make an invisible pot and when it's used, not having a cool down period period. You quiet down please.
So equipping yourself properly for combat is too hard and Zenimax should change the game for you?
Good news: I'm having a sale on Invisi-pots just 9k a stack, a small price to pay for your lazy brand of DK cowardice.0 -
Weberda✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
Because it's not our job to flee. Our role is melee. Besides, you can't expect to hightail it out of there wearing heavy armor even if you're wearing Nikes. Seriously tho Armitas is correct. We've been nerfed so much it is much harder for us to do our job. It's a big challenge. I for one would like to see the HP level back to pre C.P. days.
I agree 100%, but since ZOS seems dead set on keeping these changes why not join the escaping Bolt Escaping and Stealth fighting NB'S and Sorc's?
Shoot, we can't even get them to fix some of the basic issues in PvP. Just resigned myself to the current conditions and accepted the challenge. NB's get a nasty surprise from Death's Wind armor, sorcs hate nirnhone, and for PvE dungeons the Juggernaut set makes the group's healer job much easier.
Yes I know, but I'll flog that dead horse until it's hamburger if I must.
Well good luck with your mission. Frankly I play DK because of the melee role. If I had an escape button I probably wouldn't slot it.
Fernwood, EP Haderus NA
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
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and dude ... you can run away but not as good as a sorc or a Nb with access to retreating maneuver, mist form and hasty retreatif you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
because they cant tank but flee, you can tank ´but lack the option of running. its either or. and not have the best of all as you were used to have in 1.5 and before.
Dude.....NB'S can tank. Just not as good as a DK if were looking at skills vs skills. But the basic premise of alot of health and Stam is not exclusive to DKS.
spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭if you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
Because it's our job to die, as it turns out. First goes the templar...usually just splat, half way through waving his healy hand with animation gcd penalty. Than it's time for the DK, after furiously jamming down block, trying to self-heal and flapping wings for 30 sec or so he dies to. ESO 1.6.
Yes but we can change this if we convince ZOS that running away to fight another day like NB'S and Sorc's is actually a better meta for the game. I don't understand all the resistance from players. This will be a new tool in the new and improved DK arsenal.NA/PC0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭I would be all for that if I didn't have to search for the flowers to make an invisible pot and when it's used, not having a cool down period period. You quiet down please.
So equipping yourself properly for combat is too hard and Zenimax should change the game for you?
Good news: I'm having a sale on Invisi-pots just 9k a stack, a small price to pay for your lazy brand of DK cowardice.
@eNumbra I am equipped right and I have more mats for pots then you could dream of chump. It's about balance.....learn the difference
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭I would be all for that if I didn't have to search for the flowers to make an invisible pot and when it's used, not having a cool down period period. You quiet down please.
So equipping yourself properly for combat is too hard and Zenimax should change the game for you?
Good news: I'm having a sale on Invisi-pots just 9k a stack, a small price to pay for your lazy brand of DK cowardice.
Oh and btw, what does equipping myself have to do with chasing a Sorc down or playing hide and go seek with a NB?NA/PC0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭
and dude ... you can run away but not as good as a sorc or a Nb with access to retreating maneuver, mist form and hasty retreatif you want an escape you´ll have to sacrifice your tankiness. so say goodby to scales, dragon blood, battle roar and mountain blessing.
All I'm asking for is when I want to flee.....I can flee.....why I got to give those things up for? NB and Sorc can flee!!!!!!!!why not DK or temp?
because they cant tank but flee, you can tank ´but lack the option of running. its either or. and not have the best of all as you were used to have in 1.5 and before.
Dude.....NB'S can tank. Just not as good as a DK if were looking at skills vs skills. But the basic premise of alot of health and Stam is not exclusive to DKS.
WRONG.....where the hell can I cover 20+ meters in game with push of a button?NA/PC1
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