Since eveyone feels Cloak is OP

cozmon3c_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

murtugo wrote: »

Why worry about cloak???

People can counter it with detect pots and duplicate it with invisibility pots. On the other hand, I cannot think of any pot that can counter or duplicate bolt escape.

I played a stam Sorc the past 2 days...
Didn't have any problem chasing any Sorc with crit charge, I honestly thought it would be more difficult, they had no chance to escape.
Roll dodge canceled Boundless Storm with a bow and sprinted for 2-3 seconds, way faster than Bolt Escape. People were accusing me of speed hacks . And it's a lot more cost efficient than Bolt Escape. I didn't even have problems to get over objects or into positions I normally would with Bolt Escape, I jumped just as far.
Everyone can use a speed buff or potion and/or Crit Charge to keep up with a Bolt Escaping Sorc.

Now compare that to Cloak, in wich case I have to make a choice between regaining resources or revealing the NB with a potion. See the difference?

Dude that's so true, I've been a stam sorc for a couple weeks now and boundless and bow roll is faster then bolt escape and costs way less. Bolt escape is still better for getting out of sticky situations then boundless though.

That being said I feel that in order to fight nightblades on equal footing is to use a detect pot. They are better then any class because they can reset the fight after every attack putting them permanently on offense. And with there instant damage abilities that are crazy good, who can really compete with that.

There are a few things that I've had trouble with as a stam sorc, that's stealth modified damage, cloakers with insane burst damage, fear, petrify, block spam.

On a magicka sorc it was pretty much the same except stealth and cloakers fear spamming crazy burst NB are again the top of the list.

When a class just has to ambush incapacitating strike to kill nearly everyone, and if not, fear and rinse repeat. Lol, so skilled right there I tell you.

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO

A thread like this is hilarious!!! NB cloak OP HA!! Sounds like a L2P issue here

Kypho

Haha ESO now: Game of idiot kids.

cozmon3c_ESO

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote: »

A thread like this is hilarious!!! NB cloak OP HA!! Sounds like a L2P issue here

ha sounds like some dude who just restealths all the damn time even if you tickle him. sounds like you need to try and play a class agaisnt these cloakers that cannot cloak as well and see how it is. l2p and learn to see that this cloak is not broken.

TheBucket

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote: »

A thread like this is hilarious!!! NB cloak OP HA!! Sounds like a L2P issue here

ha sounds like some dude who just restealths all the damn time even if you tickle him. sounds like you need to try and play a class agaisnt these cloakers that cannot cloak as well and see how it is. l2p and learn to see that this cloak is not broken.

You have abilities that break cloak. I rolled a Nightblade to be able to use their only defensive ability cloak. If I wanted shields to be my defense I would of rolled a Sorc. If I wanted heals... A templar.... etc.

Cloak is not OP. The fact that we now have perma regen is the issue. Just like other classes having the same resources for their defense ability.

Can I stay in cloak forever? Yes.

Can other classes kill me still? Yes

Burst is just as high with other classes

KingShocker

Ezareth wrote: »

That's funny because I chain crit charged a sorc 9 times in a row as he ran on my nightblade last night. It's easy to do with a little skill. (having played a sorc before helps too)

or it's easy to do against someone with very little skill. honestly would that have worked against you if you were on your sorc?

i kill nb's easy all the time with my sorc so what's you're point exactly? and since EVERY aoe is a counter to cloak (clatrops being the funnest imo) it's much easier to counter magika nb's than sorc's who even if you do pull off a good crit charge they will probably drop mines and blow you the *** up and that ward that appears to cover most of their health and from my observations can not be critically hit (making crit charge seem a little weak don't ya think?).

i will give you the fact perma roller stamblades can get out of control but all melee magicka spells, all magika gap closer's with the exception of chains, and channeled abilities go through dodge roll and daedric curse is also good for them. but they can't block while dodge rolling (although a sorc can while streaking) and rarely have a ward so when they are countered they will take the full amount of damage. And let me tell all you magika DK's out there, there is nothing funner than whipping a perma roller to death.

every time you use ball of lightnig you get your magika worth out of it. Now since you have a nb you may have noticed when playing against good players they will pop you out of cloak instantly (cause if they're really good they will), don't you think it's bs you spent that magika for nothing? and yes players can block and charge to you while you're streaking but you can block and streak away until the few who are still on you are stranded then you can commence the face melting.

and actually now that i'm thinking about it this game has to many zergs, so i retract my statement about ball of lightning lacking counters, in fact i think other builds should have less counters. i actually like that a build can stand up to the zergs, spread them apart, then tear them to shreds. i think the game needs more of that and i think that sorc's shouldn't be the only ones that can pull it off. give dk's back there infinite reflect, make cloak work through aoe's, make dodge rolling dodge whip and all other currently unavoidable skills, return radiant destruction and burning shield back to their power of jesus glory.

who knows, if there more stand-alone-builds maybe this game will get away from the zerg ap farming BS it has turned into. right now i don't see a whole lot of others stand off against groups with much success like i've seen sorc's (or myself on my sorc) can do.

think about it, if you you streak half the way across the map and got chased down by a group running rappids it's almost better that you don't even kill anyone one because that's x amount of players you took out of the fight. even when dk's had there moment of 1vXing glory they killed players which meant they could res and run back faster than i have had to run back 90% of the time when i have had to chase sorc's.

LegacyDM

Blah blah blah cloak op blah blah blah. Read my post.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1757566#Comment_1757566

Cloak is broke and is the weakest skill compared to what other classes get.

L2p people.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

I would trade cloak for bolt escape or ward if they got stamina morphs on nb. Alright deal! Sorc you can have cloak which doesn't really benefit your playstyles at all and can be completely countered by 1 nb move. Also enjoy not being immortal because you gave up your shields to us. Damn nbs would be broken with those moves.

murtugo

People should understand that NBs doesn't have any self heal skill. They also don't have any OP shields like the other classes.

The only thing NBs can do is hide, run and strike from the shadows. If you think its OP then feel free to ask ZOS to trade your heals and shields for cloak.

ToRelax

murtugo wrote: »

People should understand that NBs doesn't have any self heal skill. They also don't have any OP shields like the other classes.

The only thing NBs can do is hide, run and strike from the shadows. If you think its OP then feel free to ask ZOS to trade your heals and shields for cloak.

I would make that trade in a heartbeat...
I have no problem with cloak, but it's way better than Hardened Ward ^^.

cozmon3c_ESO

hmm a skill that always puts you on the offensive, ill take it.

TheBucket

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

hmm a skill that always puts you on the offensive, ill take it.

Roll a NB.

I don't see the issue

Bouvin

murtugo wrote: »

People should understand that NBs doesn't have any self heal skill. They also don't have any OP shields like the other classes.

The only thing NBs can do is hide, run and strike from the shadows. If you think its OP then feel free to ask ZOS to trade your heals and shields for cloak.

Swallow Soul, but it's a small heal.
Refreshing Path, also a small heal.

Neither of which work decently for Stam based NB.

NB also have no damage shields.

ForTheRealm

murtugo wrote: »

People should understand that NBs doesn't have any self heal skill. They also don't have any OP shields like the other classes.

The only thing NBs can do is hide, run and strike from the shadows. If you think its OP then feel free to ask ZOS to trade your heals and shields for cloak.

NBs do have some self heals like: Swallow Soul, or Refreshing Path. They might not heal a lot abut they do.
Cloak is much better than any shield in the game: shield can mitigate some damage while cloak prevents from taking any damage. Not mentioning it is an awesome mean to escape.

Mayrael

Rylana wrote: »

The best feeling in the world... is just walking around in the middle of a field... knowing a nightblade is about to hit you with the silly fear/surpriseattack combo.

Survive the spike, make like youre gonna attack the nightblade, hit him with a light attack just to scare it.

Watch it panic and roll roll roll roll roll roll roll roll away.

Pop a detect potion and see it watching you, legit scared to try again.

Haha Youve made my day )

murtugo

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

murtugo wrote: »

People should understand that NBs doesn't have any self heal skill. They also don't have any OP shields like the other classes.

The only thing NBs can do is hide, run and strike from the shadows. If you think its OP then feel free to ask ZOS to trade your heals and shields for cloak.

NBs do have some self heals like: Swallow Soul, or Refreshing Path. They might not heal a lot abut they do.
Cloak is much better than any shield in the game: shield can mitigate some damage while cloak prevents from taking any damage. Not mentioning it is an awesome mean to escape.

I consider swallow soul as life steal skill, not a self heal.

eliisra

When using stamina, like right now, I rather have Cloak on my NB actually. I would be able to use Bolt Escape like once or maybe twice, than the cost penalty for recasting would make it to expensive. Cloak can be used more frequently.

Bolt Escape will never be an escape skill for a stamina user, more like a skill for kiting a smaller distance, than a stamina user is out of magicka. You can already kite with speed buff and dodge roll, so I rather have Cloak.

Magicka Nb tho, I take Bolt Escape any day of course. It's a better skill, when cost isn't an issue. If you have high magicka recovery and magicka pool, you can spam it to infinity.

yeso112860

Paint it anyway you want, overpowered this - nerf that...

The fact stands: Top 100 of any of EU campaigns I've been since 2.0.1 were composed of
32 - 37 Nightblades, 25 - 32 Templars, 20 - 25 Dragon Knights, 16 - 21 Sorcerers. The time invested on DK's are lower than time invested on NB's, because either DK players are simple minded or NB as a class performs better than others... I'd prefer latter but as I said paint it anyway you want, and you shall paint.

Zsymon

Ezareth wrote: »

That's funny because I chain crit charged a sorc 9 times in a row as he ran on my nightblade last night. It's easy to do with a little skill. (having played a sorc before helps too)

I think that says a lot about Sorcs, if someone lets you chain crit charge him 9 times in a row, he should be dead. All other classes would be dead long before you reach charge number 9.

Zsymon

At least Bolt Escape works, Dark Cloak doesn't even work in PvE against trash monsters. Dark Cloak is nice when it works, but it'll break more often than not when you need it, often over and over again. Magicka NBs have to literally spam Dark Cloak 3-4 times until it finally sticks, and it is not a cheap skill. How people can say a broken skill is OP, is beyond me.

Bolt Escape has a base magicka cost of 363, while Dark Cloak has a base magicka cost of 420. Dark Cloak costs only slightly less than Breath of Life, meaning Dark Cloak is one of the most expensive class skills in the game.

Saft

Wow alot NB rush to this tread to defend their OP PVP skills. Even say its bugged, wow i am glad its bugged then, because as of now in bugged state its already best PVP skill.

Zsymon

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

NBs do have some self heals like: Swallow Soul, or Refreshing Path. They might not heal a lot abut they do.
Cloak is much better than any shield in the game: shield can mitigate some damage while cloak prevents from taking any damage. Not mentioning it is an awesome mean to escape.

Except you can attack someone while shielded, where as a NB will take full damage with zero mitigation as soon as he starts attacking.

eNumbra

yeso112860 wrote: »

. The time invested on DK's are lower than time invested on NB's, because either DK players are simple minded or NB as a class performs better than others... I'd prefer latter but as I said paint it anyway you want, and you shall paint.

Its more likely that NBs have a higher skill ceiling; they're harder to make the most of, but pay off the best when utilized successfully.

Without the healing or tanking capabilities(yes there are tank NB builds save your breath) of Templars of Dragonknights, both of which can simply mash the keyboard with their face and survive 1vX with little issue, NBs need something to aid in their survivability/combat effectiveness; regardless of whether it's killing things before they have a chance to retaliate with burst, or getting the hell out of dodge with cloak.

And cloak is still buggy at the best of times.

Zsymon

Saft wrote: »

Wow alot NB rush to this tread to defend their OP PVP skills. Even say its bugged, wow i am glad its bugged then, because as of now in bugged state its already best PVP skill.

Lol, of course it is bugged, it has been bugged since launch and it has never been fixed. It is also nowhere near the best PvP skill. The only ones who can spam it are magicka NBs, and they have no burst to kill you. Also as mentioned before, a pot completely negates it.. if Cloak is giving you problems, just chug a detection pot and it'll be useless against you.

People are acting as if Cloak is some overpowered skill without any counters. Well, it is horribly bugged and it has several counters. I don't think any bugged skill with several counters could be called overpowered.

eNumbra

ToRelax wrote: »

Now compare that to Cloak, in wich case I have to make a choice between regaining resources or revealing the NB with a potion. See the difference?

Lol, bruh.




If that still doesn't help you, everything else may be pebkac.

LegacyDM

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Tired of people claiming cloak and stealth is OP.

1. Flares
2. Piercing Mark
3. Mage Light
4. Caltrops
5. Detect Invis Pot
6. Magicka Detonation
7. Crushing Shock
8. Curse
9. Any AOE within range
10. Stuck in Detect Stealth Mode bug
11. Gap closers (e.g. Wrecking blow)

Am I missing anything? Fellow NB feel free to add to the list.

Do any other classes "o-***" skills get mitigated like this?

L2P people.

I will continue to quote myself from another thread as long as people keep making threads or claiming cloak is OP. Anyone who thinks its OP has clearly never played a NB and has no clue the frustration this skill causes to the casting player.it is probably the easiest skill in the game to counter.

Not to mention NBs have no viable heal or shield spell and have to suffer with the issues listed above regarding cloak as a mediocre escape skill, which requires the player to spam 5 times before it actually might work.

Lava_Croft

The Nightblade's equivalent to the other classes' ability to heal and shield themselves is fleeing from combat. Yet, it's this ability to flee from combat that is both extremely powerful, extremely unreliable and extremely easily countered. Looks OP when you are not the one having to depend on it, breeds frustration when actually having to depend on it.

In reality, Nightblades rarely manage to escape from combat using Dark Cloak.

ToRelax

eNumbra wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Now compare that to Cloak, in wich case I have to make a choice between regaining resources or revealing the NB with a potion. See the difference?

Lol, bruh.




If that still doesn't help you, everything else may be pebkac.

I already said before, I have no problem with Cloak.
You quoted a question, just to avoid answering it. That's clever...

eNumbra

ToRelax wrote: »

You quoted a question, just to avoid answering it. That's clever...

Actually I provided you a solution that solves the issue of Regaining Resources vs Detection - for magicka users anyway.

ToRelax

eNumbra wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You quoted a question, just to avoid answering it. That's clever...

Actually I provided you a solution that solves the issue of Regaining Resources vs Detection - for magicka users anyway.

Tyvm, I had no clue you could make such a potion... now think again about why I wrote what I wrote maybe.