Shield Strength based off of Stamina.

Darnathian

glak wrote: »

Ward morph to stamina would give stam sorcs the ability to go all in on stamina.

IMO this is why all shields should be scaled off health. You shouldnt entice people to dump everything into one stat and get rewarded. That will only limit diversity more. Please bring back PVP 1.5. This is becoming a joke to play.

Yes. You can have my stuff.

Darnathian

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

A stam based shield like hardened ward, would destroy any hope of balance in this game. Imagine a stam NB specced for roll dodge and burst, who could also cast an 11K damage shield. While popping the occasional vigor / rally as extra insurance. 1H is assurance enough for stamina users, it might not be competitive against other stamina users but against a magicka build that's our damage shield.

Magicka builds would cease to exist from competition, much like stamina not too long ago.

EXACTLY. It is not fair. So have all shields stack off health. A class that is designed to do max damage should not get a defense like that. Come on man you are wearing cloth. lol If you want to go offense then keep your CF and what not. BUT NOT SHIELD SCALED OFF IT.

I dont mind dying to a sorc because he outplayed me. I mind dying to a sorc that i was built to fight against, made no mistakes, and still died.

Request Sypher (best DK dueler) fight against a equally good sorc. I will bet 100k he loses.

Sorc is designed to do max damage... do we play the same game ?

ATM yes. Who does more?

Stamina NB and DK and magicka DK.

DK? lol Maybe in PVE.

ToRelax

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

A stam based shield like hardened ward, would destroy any hope of balance in this game. Imagine a stam NB specced for roll dodge and burst, who could also cast an 11K damage shield. While popping the occasional vigor / rally as extra insurance. 1H is assurance enough for stamina users, it might not be competitive against other stamina users but against a magicka build that's our damage shield.

Magicka builds would cease to exist from competition, much like stamina not too long ago.

EXACTLY. It is not fair. So have all shields stack off health. A class that is designed to do max damage should not get a defense like that. Come on man you are wearing cloth. lol If you want to go offense then keep your CF and what not. BUT NOT SHIELD SCALED OFF IT.

I dont mind dying to a sorc because he outplayed me. I mind dying to a sorc that i was built to fight against, made no mistakes, and still died.

Request Sypher (best DK dueler) fight against a equally good sorc. I will bet 100k he loses.

Sorc is designed to do max damage... do we play the same game ?

ATM yes. Who does more?

Stamina NB and DK and magicka DK.

DK? lol Maybe in PVE.

If you spec both Sorc and DK for damage, DK will do more, but has less utility.
If you don't believe me it won't make sense arguing about it, you'll just go on complaining.

Tintinabula

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

Ezareth

I think you guys should be happy you got Vigor. Giving Stamina builds a shield would be akin to giving Magicka builds a magicka based Dodge roll. Stamina users who are built right never run out of stamina as it is.

Darnathian

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

A stam based shield like hardened ward, would destroy any hope of balance in this game. Imagine a stam NB specced for roll dodge and burst, who could also cast an 11K damage shield. While popping the occasional vigor / rally as extra insurance. 1H is assurance enough for stamina users, it might not be competitive against other stamina users but against a magicka build that's our damage shield.

Magicka builds would cease to exist from competition, much like stamina not too long ago.

EXACTLY. It is not fair. So have all shields stack off health. A class that is designed to do max damage should not get a defense like that. Come on man you are wearing cloth. lol If you want to go offense then keep your CF and what not. BUT NOT SHIELD SCALED OFF IT.

I dont mind dying to a sorc because he outplayed me. I mind dying to a sorc that i was built to fight against, made no mistakes, and still died.

Request Sypher (best DK dueler) fight against a equally good sorc. I will bet 100k he loses.

Sorc is designed to do max damage... do we play the same game ?

ATM yes. Who does more?

Stamina NB and DK and magicka DK.

DK? lol Maybe in PVE.

If you spec both Sorc and DK for damage, DK will do more, but has less utility.
If you don't believe me it won't make sense arguing about it, you'll just go on complaining.

Again. Deflection. I fully admitted i was QQing. Fact still remains no matter how many keep throwing smoke and mirrors. Scale all shields on health and lets have some PVP again.

You cannot argue with the numbers. There are equally as many sorcs running around now as there was DK's before. At least the NB's try to keep a low profile with their Fear BS. Take some notes. lol

ToRelax

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

You don't even try to argue, do you? Play a Sorc and try it out yourself, you'd be the first one who can tank groups with just Hardened Ward.

Ezareth

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Almost forgot. Nerf sorc thread number 586,465,874.

If over half a million players say sorc is op, don't you think that maybe, just maybe, they're on to something?

Sounds like a close approximation to the number of bads to me...

Ezareth

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

This kind of ignorance on display is exactly why I can't take these forums seriously any more.

The worst part is I think he seriously believes what he says....

Tintinabula

Ezareth wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

This kind of ignorance on display is exactly why I can't take these forums seriously any more.

The worst part is I think he seriously believes what he says....

Don't insult me. Ive seen it done. I watched a Sorc tank 4 people yesterday JUST STANDING THERE. My damage meter ALONE said that in the course of 5 secs he absorbed well over 10k damage from ME with nothing else BUT hardened ward (not even counting the other three people bashing on him )..so yea...try again.

Darnathian

Ezareth wrote: »

I think you guys should be happy you got Vigor. Giving Stamina builds a shield would be akin to giving Magicka builds a magicka based Dodge roll. Stamina users who are built right never run out of stamina as it is.

OMG. Do you really believe what you say?
Giving other classes the ability to scale their shields off their primary stat would be like a sorc scaling shields off magicka. WOW

Darnathian

Ezareth wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

This kind of ignorance on display is exactly why I can't take these forums seriously any more.

The worst part is I think he seriously believes what he says....

All of us believe him. You all spam shields. We have to go full DPS to break them. You tank it. Then first opening you Nuke us. IF not then you bolt.

Whats not to believe?

I use to like your posts. Now i see your true colors now that you are the master race. lol

Ezareth

Tintinabula wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

This kind of ignorance on display is exactly why I can't take these forums seriously any more.

The worst part is I think he seriously believes what he says....

Don't insult me. Ive seen it done. I watched a Sorc tank 4 people yesterday JUST STANDING THERE. My damage meter ALONE said that in the course of 5 secs he absorbed well over 10k damage from ME with nothing else BUT hardened ward (not even counting the other three people bashing on him )..so yea...try again.

I'm not insulting you. You're doing that yourself by exaggerating and spewing nonsense.

Teargrants isn't running around with 5K Magick regen, that's a Screen shot designed for forum bait not an actual viable build. I could do the same, but we already have enough people saying Sorcs are running around with 25K crystal Fragments, 16K Hardened Wards ....we don't need 5K Magick regen added to the mix.

Secondly, you mention BoL absorbing meteor yet don't point out that you can freaking *reflect* an ult. Why even point that out?

I can cast 5 Hardened wards in 5 seconds. If a sorc is just standing there and not dying its because no one attacking him has a clue how to play. You don't just leave a sorc to cast. You *have* to CC him.

This is like a NB Sniper complaining that he keeps sniping a DK but keeps killing himself because he's hitting wings. It's pure ignorance.

I have *single* players rip through all my shields and take half my health in a heartbeat. It happens all day long. If you see a sorc tanking 5 people, those 5 people are bad. I do it all the time myself but *never* when there is a good player there.

Blunt and to the point, but dead honest right there. I don't know how else to say it. You guys are crying because you're attacking a class in the worst possible way to attack it and expecting a positive outcome.

That's why I can't take these forums serious.

Tintinabula

No exaggeration here. I see this from multiple sorcs (not all mind you) and I'm not complaining that sorcs can do that. I'm asking for an mitigation shield based off my stamina that does the same thing.

We can dance around for weeks comparing this and that and saying "I don't have this while you have that so its fair" but when it comes down to brass tacks or the nitty gritty your class has a shield strength based off of your main stat. Stamina users do not.

you have access to: dodge roll, S/B, Bolt, good burst damage and hardened ward.

stamina users have access to:dodge roll, S/B , good burst damage and ...?...shuffle?..igneous shield?(based off my mediocre health?)

I tell ya what..make it so hardened ward can be shared like Igneous shield.

cozmon3c_ESO

Tintinabula wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

This kind of ignorance on display is exactly why I can't take these forums seriously any more.

The worst part is I think he seriously believes what he says....

Don't insult me. Ive seen it done. I watched a Sorc tank 4 people yesterday JUST STANDING THERE. My damage meter ALONE said that in the course of 5 secs he absorbed well over 10k damage from ME with nothing else BUT hardened ward (not even counting the other three people bashing on him )..so yea...try again.

well if the other three are just bashing the sorc no wonder they are not breaking the shields.

Teargrants

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

Please, what part of

Teargrants wrote: »

If you watched any of my vids you would understand that the real I win button is perma block.

do you not understand?

The only way I stand and tank damage is because I'm in heavy armor w/ sword/shield, stacking all the block cost reduction I can along w/ tripot active, holding block. My ward can only absorb as much dmg as I can recast it, 10k per second if I literally just stand there holding block recasting it doing nothing else whatever - no bolt escapes, no heals, no dps. If incoming dmg exceeds that, it comes down to block mitigation and my health bar.

Tintinabula wrote: »

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...

Please tell me how I stand there and target who I please just by having a shield up that gets eaten in 1-2 hits by any decent player, forcing me to stop any dps and recast it.

Tintinabula wrote: »

or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

So, my balls absorb ultimates...so over powered.

Your wings reflect ultimates for 20% bonus dmg...so under powered?

Tintinabula

I'm not saying you're overpowered. I check who I am up against constantly.. I learn from fights (or try to). I read the damage meters to see what they have used. I try to find counters and comparable skills that these good players (like yourself ) use.

Again comparing your BOL which is an escape as well to wings? cmon.

I saw this sorc doing a good job absorbing damage. I immediately went to my skills and started checking to see what shield I had that absorbed that much damage and..the only thing I could find was if I maxed my health and sacrificed dps.

Again I am sure you understand the difficulty in using a bow or sword and board while having to dodge every 4 seconds?

where is your sacrifice in dps to absorb that much damage?

cschwingeb14_ESO

Most arguments about health based shield is stupid. For classes with health based shields, they get 2 things from more health: better survival from having more health, and better survival from having larger shields.

Sorcs that invest in magicka get 2 things from more magicka: better damage, and better survival from larger shields.

Which is a lot like templars who invest in magicka/spell damage. Better survival from bigger heals and better damage.

But the actual stupid thing is thinking that sorc damage output or survivability will change very much if the shield value changes from magicka-based to health based with...say... the same scaling as igneous shield (+33% for the hardened ward morph). All its going to do is give rise to super-survival sorcs with 30k health and shields of the same value as now...with 5-10% less damage.

Why will the damage go down so little? Because spell damage increases damage a lot more than magicka.

About the only good reason to make Ward scale off of health is so that stam sorcs can have some great shielding too

Emma_Overload

Until Hardened Ward keeps me from getting Feared, it's nowhere NEAR being an "I Win Button".

Ezareth

Tintinabula wrote: »

I'm not saying you're overpowered. I check who I am up against constantly.. I learn from fights (or try to). I read the damage meters to see what they have used. I try to find counters and comparable skills that these good players (like yourself ) use.

Again comparing your BOL which is an escape as well to wings? cmon.

I saw this sorc doing a good job absorbing damage. I immediately went to my skills and started checking to see what shield I had that absorbed that much damage and..the only thing I could find was if I maxed my health and sacrificed dps.

Again I am sure you understand the difficulty in using a bow or sword and board while having to dodge every 4 seconds?

where is your sacrifice in dps to absorb that much damage?

If you're a DK message AOE BBQ or Galalin if you want to find out how to kill a sorc stacking shields.

I played the little Dance with AoE BBQ perma rolling the last time I saw him in a keep and when I finally ran out of stamina after a templar jumped in he 2-shotted me. Galalin has 2-shotted me through my shields as well as some other DKs.

If you think stamina builds like those needs a freaking damage shield on top of insane complete damage avoidance and healing I think you're crazy.

Seriously look at the good Stamina players out there right now, they're wrecking people left and right.

Detector

+1. Good idea for balance stam-builds. This or reduce rank for use Vigor.

Cinnamon_Spider

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Almost forgot. Nerf sorc thread number 586,465,874.

If over half a million players say sorc is op, don't you think that maybe, just maybe, they're on to something?

I usually find that the opinions of the masses are wrong. How many people thought the world would end because of the Mayan calendar?

So no, I do not think they are on to something. I think they just need to learn to play.

corx3

While I love the idea of a stamina based shield, that would make stam builds way, way too good. I have 24k HP, 26k stam, and almost 2k stamina regen. I keep my build a secret except for friends and guildies for the most part, but it doesn't take rocket science to replicate it. (And imagine if I were a NB lol.) Having 24k HP, 10k+ shielding which cannot be crit, and stamina builds' efficient roll dodging would give stamina way, way too much defensive ability.

The only skill I use my magicka for at the moment is Igneous Shield and sometimes Fossilize anyways . I have no issues using magicka based shielding when I need it. At 24k HP it still gives me a 6k+ shield last I checked.

Nivzruo_ESO

hamon wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Stam builds already have the equivalent shield to hardened ward. Its called blocking.

this is why we are seeing so many S/B sorcs (best of both worlds)

iseko wrote: »

hardened ward is a 8-12k shield depending on your setup.1-2 snipes or wrecking blows and it is down. It is not an I win button. It also does not give immunity to stun. You are focusing to much on the shield itself. I would trade hardened ward for dragonscales in a heartbeat. Far more useful imho.

I dont like playing with my sorc though. Gets tedious. I finally found a magicka built on my temp that I like. 9K blazing shield with infinite magicka, good heals and some fairly good dps. It's good in 1v1-2-3. But no more. 9K blazing shield? 1-2 hits and it is down. Same as hardened ward. Again: no cc immunity. Still need to block stun attacks.

And no. There is no true equivalent for hardened ward as a stam build. But there are other defenses. Such as roll dodge and block. If u get rally + vigor + block + scales and CP in block reduction. No mage can kill you in 1v1. Add to that block casting and well... Sorc QQ incoming. Hell I've seen many sorcs die from: invasion + talons + soul assault. *** hurts

Thankyou for this response. It is good to hear an honest opinion from the other end and Im not too stubborn to see playing a sorc can be tedious. Its just on my end I am trying to balance Mitigation with DPS and when I have to use 3 slots on a skill bar to mitigate what hardened ward does(which takes one slot) that gives me less slots for dps skills. I came to the forums to suggest that perhaps stamina builds could receive a comparable skill.

dont be fooled, i play all 4 classes and your right there is no comparison to hardened ward. Don't let sorcs throw a load of bull at you either.

they compare dodge roll to ward,, but when i,m on my sorc i simply hit bolt at times dodge roll could be used as easily as dodge on my stam classes. dodge doesnt take you well away from certain death by simply pressing it 3 times rapid either.

hardened ward lasts longer is much stronger and costs less that any other shield in the game. you can load an addon that gives u a nice unmissable timer telling you how long before it drops.

in regards to blocking , the biggest damage things in cyrodiil right (not counting ulti's) now are crystal frags, snipe and wrecking blow. now guess which class has one that can be used while holding up sword and board?

cos once again to get maximum mitigation from blocking you want to use sword and board. yep sorcs have the luxury of being able to throw out a couple of instant (non reflectables) like curse or entropy wait for the instant frags to proc and throw out their big damage spell from behind the sword and shield block.

they say block as well. but sorcs can block just fine. yes they have much less stam , but since they have no need to dodge roll (which after all they keep telling you thats the balance for ward) their stam is purely for blocking , not block plus dodge plus dps on a stam character.

but don't take my word for it either. just look around cyrodiil , see how many players are sorcs these days.. folk will change to the most powerfull class in any game like this, right now thats sorcs.. everyone knows it.. just the sorcs on here will attack anyone trying to point out these things.

This ^

Ezareth

corx3 wrote: »

While I love the idea of a stamina based shield, that would make stam builds way, way too good. I have 24k HP, 26k stam, and almost 2k stamina regen. I keep my build a secret except for friends and guildies for the most part, but it doesn't take rocket science to replicate it. (And imagine if I were a NB lol.) Having 24k HP, 10k+ shielding which cannot be crit, and stamina builds' efficient roll dodging would give stamina way, way too much defensive ability.

The only skill I use my magicka for at the moment is Igneous Shield and sometimes Fossilize anyways . I have no issues using magicka based shielding when I need it. At 24k HP it still gives me a 6k+ shield last I checked.

Finally a skilled player injecting some sense into this conversation.

Ezareth

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Stam builds already have the equivalent shield to hardened ward. Its called blocking.

this is why we are seeing so many S/B sorcs (best of both worlds)

iseko wrote: »

hardened ward is a 8-12k shield depending on your setup.1-2 snipes or wrecking blows and it is down. It is not an I win button. It also does not give immunity to stun. You are focusing to much on the shield itself. I would trade hardened ward for dragonscales in a heartbeat. Far more useful imho.

I dont like playing with my sorc though. Gets tedious. I finally found a magicka built on my temp that I like. 9K blazing shield with infinite magicka, good heals and some fairly good dps. It's good in 1v1-2-3. But no more. 9K blazing shield? 1-2 hits and it is down. Same as hardened ward. Again: no cc immunity. Still need to block stun attacks.

And no. There is no true equivalent for hardened ward as a stam build. But there are other defenses. Such as roll dodge and block. If u get rally + vigor + block + scales and CP in block reduction. No mage can kill you in 1v1. Add to that block casting and well... Sorc QQ incoming. Hell I've seen many sorcs die from: invasion + talons + soul assault. *** hurts

Thankyou for this response. It is good to hear an honest opinion from the other end and Im not too stubborn to see playing a sorc can be tedious. Its just on my end I am trying to balance Mitigation with DPS and when I have to use 3 slots on a skill bar to mitigate what hardened ward does(which takes one slot) that gives me less slots for dps skills. I came to the forums to suggest that perhaps stamina builds could receive a comparable skill.

dont be fooled, i play all 4 classes and your right there is no comparison to hardened ward. Don't let sorcs throw a load of bull at you either.

they compare dodge roll to ward,, but when i,m on my sorc i simply hit bolt at times dodge roll could be used as easily as dodge on my stam classes. dodge doesnt take you well away from certain death by simply pressing it 3 times rapid either.

hardened ward lasts longer is much stronger and costs less that any other shield in the game. you can load an addon that gives u a nice unmissable timer telling you how long before it drops.

in regards to blocking , the biggest damage things in cyrodiil right (not counting ulti's) now are crystal frags, snipe and wrecking blow. now guess which class has one that can be used while holding up sword and board?

cos once again to get maximum mitigation from blocking you want to use sword and board. yep sorcs have the luxury of being able to throw out a couple of instant (non reflectables) like curse or entropy wait for the instant frags to proc and throw out their big damage spell from behind the sword and shield block.

they say block as well. but sorcs can block just fine. yes they have much less stam , but since they have no need to dodge roll (which after all they keep telling you thats the balance for ward) their stam is purely for blocking , not block plus dodge plus dps on a stam character.

but don't take my word for it either. just look around cyrodiil , see how many players are sorcs these days.. folk will change to the most powerfull class in any game like this, right now thats sorcs.. everyone knows it.. just the sorcs on here will attack anyone trying to point out these things.

This ^

Ignorance overload. Someone train these people please....

Tintinabula

Ezareth I'm really tired of how you talk down to people on these forums. Very Patronizing. No, I don't need to message a DK. Yes, I kill people fine. There's a handful I do not. I am not some NUB who cant break through shields. When a Sorc can tank 4 ppl with one shield and I as a stamina user have to do a song and dance every 4 secs there's a glaring disparity. Sorry you don't see it. Happy some do.

Vis

Tintinabula wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

This kind of ignorance on display is exactly why I can't take these forums seriously any more.

The worst part is I think he seriously believes what he says....

Don't insult me. Ive seen it done. I watched a Sorc tank 4 people yesterday JUST STANDING THERE. My damage meter ALONE said that in the course of 5 secs he absorbed well over 10k damage from ME with nothing else BUT hardened ward (not even counting the other three people bashing on him )..so yea...try again.

This sounds like a L2P situation.

Personally, admitting I could not dps a sorc down with four people would be the ultimate insult to my skill and game knowledge. The only one insulting you is your own descriptions of your play.

Tintinabula

Vis wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

yes.."stand there and tank". Many sorcs (especially you @Teargrants with your 5k+ mag regen) can stand there and tank damage..How much does YOUR hardened ward absorb?

So..while I'm dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..with your hardened ward you can literally stand there and target who you please. and fire and fire and fire...or...you can bolt away to never never land..or..you can leave little bolt blobs to absorb ultimates while I am still dodging and rolling here and there and casting defensive shields and buffs and wings and rolling here and there..

This kind of ignorance on display is exactly why I can't take these forums seriously any more.

The worst part is I think he seriously believes what he says....

Don't insult me. Ive seen it done. I watched a Sorc tank 4 people yesterday JUST STANDING THERE. My damage meter ALONE said that in the course of 5 secs he absorbed well over 10k damage from ME with nothing else BUT hardened ward (not even counting the other three people bashing on him )..so yea...try again.

This sounds like a L2P situation.

Personally, admitting I could not dps a sorc down with four people would be the ultimate insult to my skill and game knowledge. The only one insulting you is your own descriptions of your play.

Another insult. Nowhere did I say that I "couldnt" dps that sorc down. It's prolly best if you stop assuming things. The sorc died assuredly.

Ancile

My main is a stamina DK and I would never ask for a stamina based shield. I feel guilty as it is having my heals and dodge build. May I suggest @Tintinabula reach out to her fellow DKs for instruction on how to play her class?