Mending – Increase Healing Done Major (30%) – Igneous Shield (DK) With Video

Dracane

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about an overbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Vis

Good for DKs. I have faith the devs will still have a way to reward sorcs too.

Disclaimer : my DK is already wearing the full Healers Habit set. Even with a heal centered build, my hps falls below my templar (slightly, and only when using the right rotation).

However, I can understand the frustration because my DK is also more tanky with his flappy flapsters. I don't think heal nerf is the right direction though.

If clanifer heal stays, even my sorc is happy (since all I care about when on my sorc is myself).

LtCrunch

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about an overbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

I'm leveling a Sorcerer right right now that will replace e my main l due to my experience on the PTS, though my build is largely unconventional. Honestly having tested every class with multiple similar builds the Sorcerer is indeed the lowest on the totem pole, but not by nearly the margin reading these forums would have you believe. It would be very, very easy for ZOS to overbuff the class with too many drastic changes at this point. They're not really that far off right now.

Alcast

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about an overbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs are a strong ranged class now.

Nefrast

Alcast wrote: »

30% more >.>

I really don't know. So you are saying a Dragonknight has no issues spending 3.5k magicka every 7 seconds in addition to his healing, the complete Templar's healing tree is worthless, and neither Nightblade nor Sorcerer have anything else to increase their base healing? Well, if that's really the case then shame on ZOS.

GreyRanger

I am glad DKs got a buff to make them more viable in another team role. I am discouraged that things appear to be headed to a place where in team roles there is no role in which the Sroc is not the worst class. Mind boggling.

So new healer pattern:
Temp > DKS > NB >> Sroc

Alcast

Nefrast wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

30% more >.>

I really don't know. So you are saying a Dragonknight has no issues spending 3.5k magicka every 7 seconds in addition to his healing, the complete Templar's healing tree is worthless, and neither Nightblade nor Sorcerer have anything else to increase their base healing? Well, if that's really the case then shame on ZOS.

put 3x Glyph of reduced spellcost on your jewelry, and I bet you cannot get your magicka down fast enough.

halfbadger

@Alcast do you know if someone that receives the shield when a dk casts it will do 30% increased healing with their spells?

Seraphyel

Brandalf wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Seraphyel wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

30% ? O.o That's insane. I thought, it got nerfed.

Insane? That's NOT insane, that's the only tools DK healers have that makes them equal to other healers. They tend to be still weaker than NBs and Templars.

If you tame away the healing buff, DK healers can be tossed in the trash again.

It only lasts 7 seconds and it only applies to the DK so... it's totally fine.

I think it's indeed insane. I don't want to hijack this discussion, but Sorcerer has nothing for healing. And 30% plus heal is extremely strong.

Sorcs need some healing love,but that means change/buff some abilities/passives for the Sorc, not nerf other classes effectiveness.

This exactly.

And all of you realize that the 30% buff is there for months now? It's nothing they added with 1.6 but nice that complaining starts now.

On the PTS they removed the visual effect, don't know why they did that.

Sorcs need some love for the healer role, but the whole drama about DPS Sorcs is getting out of control.

Seraphyel

Nefrast wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

30% more >.>

I really don't know. So you are saying a Dragonknight has no issues spending 3.5k magicka every 7 seconds in addition to his healing, the complete Templar's healing tree is worthless, and neither Nightblade nor Sorcerer have anything else to increase their base healing? Well, if that's really the case then shame on ZOS.

LOL again. All of that was unrecognised for months and now some trolls come to the surface and moan about DK healers? Ridiculous.

Just look at the Templar passives, they are still superior. You know that Templars a always have 30% stronger heals?

Seraphyel

halfbadger wrote: »

@Alcast do you know if someone that receives the shield when a dk casts it will do 30% increased healing with their spells?

No, why should they heal more? It just increases the healing done by the one DK that used it

halfbadger

Seraphyel wrote: »

halfbadger wrote: »

@Alcast do you know if someone that receives the shield when a dk casts it will do 30% increased healing with their spells?

No, why should they heal more? It just increases the healing done by the one DK that used it

Do you know that or are you just assuming?

Seraphyel

halfbadger wrote: »

Seraphyel wrote: »

halfbadger wrote: »

@Alcast do you know if someone that receives the shield when a dk casts it will do 30% increased healing with their spells?

No, why should they heal more? It just increases the healing done by the one DK that used it

Do you know that or are you just assuming?

I know that. It's not a group buff, it's a single buff. Or does Surge applies to the whole group? No.

Alcast

halfbadger wrote: »

@Alcast do you know if someone that receives the shield when a dk casts it will do 30% increased healing with their spells?

Could not test it yet.

Lhorion

Oh I forgot... Igneous Shield makes the DK so OP! Please Nerf it! It should give a healing debuff instead of the buff.

Seraphyel

Alcast wrote: »

halfbadger wrote: »

@Alcast do you know if someone that receives the shield when a dk casts it will do 30% increased healing with their spells?

Could not test it yet.

You must not test it, it only works for the DK. I find it quite hilarious how some guys are enraging about a skill that exists in this form for MONTHS now. It's nothing they added with 1.6, they just increased the duration from 6 to 7 in 1.6.

So tell me how many super powerful DKs you saw the last months? Let me guess, none?

Vis

Alcast wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about an overbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs are a strong ranged class now.

Qualifier : if no one has reflect or BoL.

ToRelax

Vis wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about an overbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs are a strong ranged class now.

Qualifier : if no one has reflect or BoL.

He's just a PvE hero. Also thinks Liquid Lightning is a good DoT .

Nefrast

Seraphyel wrote: »

Just look at the Templar passives, they are still superior. You know that Templars a always have 30% stronger heals?

No, I don't know, therefore I asked and got the answer that Dragonknights have 30% stronger healing power then all other classes. I guess some information is wrong here? This can be measured, right? Well, I guess I believe nothing unless parser screen shots are posted for all classes. It's always the same, different people tell you different stuff for things which can be measured in game. It makes no sense.

Seraphyel

DKs have a skill that increases their healing done by 30% for 7 seconds.

Templars have a passive that increases all healing they do for 30% when they stand in one of their AoE healing zones where they always stand. Just with the AoE hot they have the passive skill always applied.

Templars still have the strongest heals, especially the incredibly buffed Healing Ritual does some insane amounts of healing.

DeLindsay

How are people just NOW realizing what Igneous Shield does? BTW, it's 33% on Live for 6 seconds and 30% on PTS for 7 seconds so it got a buff and a nerf. Also the Shield applies to group members but the +30% Healing done only applies to the DK who casted Igneous Shield. If ZoS nerfs this ability all because of ignorance in the game there's going to be a ton of p1ssed of Players.

Attorneyatlawl

Seraphyel wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

30% ? O.o That's insane. I thought, it got nerfed.

Insane? That's NOT insane, that's the only tools DK healers have that makes them equal to other healers. They tend to be still weaker than NBs and Templars.

If you tame away the healing buff, DK healers can be tossed in the trash again.

It only lasts 7 seconds and it only applies to the DK so... it's totally fine.

This. Also the buff is nothing new, it has been like that on live for months and months now. It only has buffed the Dragon Knight himself for healing though, not other healers hit by the shield, for the outgoing heals buff.

Attorneyatlawl

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about a was verbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs a stepchild....? They've been a consistently strong class since launch, and 1.6 is improving them further in most regards. The only significant change for the worse since launch was to negate magic which should have never gone live with trials patched in 1.2 (should have been done at the same time).

Really none of the classes have ever been particularly under par except situationally. Templars clearly weren't strong pve trial dps for example in the past but could heal them well, and rocked in every other game content type (long time dark horse of being top of the heap for pvp that everyone ignored). Nightblade players complained constantly about their pvp power, but unless you were trying to be a stereotypical melee physical stamina rogue type, they were great even with a few major bugs that have since been fixed with things like Dark cloak.

LtCrunch

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about a was verbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs a stepchild....? They've been a consistently strong class since launch, and 1.6 is improving them further in most regards. The only significant change for the worse since launch was to negate magic which should have never gone live with trials patched in 1.2 (should have been done at the same time).

Really none of the classes have ever been particularly under par except situationally. Templars clearly weren't strong pve trial dps for example in the past but could heal them well, and rocked in every other game content type (long time dark horse of being top of the heap for pvp that everyone ignored). Nightblade players complained constantly about their pvp power, but unless you were trying to be a stereotypical melee physical stamina rogue type, they were great even with a few major bugs that have since been fixed with things like Dark cloak.

This sums up my feelings on the subject of class balance and popular opinion nicely. Well put.

ToRelax

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about a was verbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs a stepchild....? They've been a consistently strong class since launch, and 1.6 is improving them further in most regards. The only significant change for the worse since launch was to negate magic which should have never gone live with trials patched in 1.2 (should have been done at the same time).

Really none of the classes have ever been particularly under par except situationally. Templars clearly weren't strong pve trial dps for example in the past but could heal them well, and rocked in every other game content type (long time dark horse of being top of the heap for pvp that everyone ignored). Nightblade players complained constantly about their pvp power, but unless you were trying to be a stereotypical melee physical stamina rogue type, they were great even with a few major bugs that have since been fixed with things like Dark cloak.

Sorcs were strong at launch, yes, because people didn't know how to counter all their skills.
Now people wear impenetrable, reflect, dodge and absorb projectiles, break negates, roll out of roots, interrupt channels, use gap closers against bolt escape...

And did you just say Cloak is fixed ?

Faulgor

Seraphyel wrote: »

Templars have a passive that increases all healing they do for 30% when they stand in one of their AoE healing zones where they always stand. Just with the AoE hot they have the passive skill always applied.

Templars still have the strongest heals, especially the incredibly buffed Healing Ritual does some insane amounts of healing.

The passive only boosts healing skills from the Restoring Light tree, not healing in general like DKs. At least as far as I know.

And yeah, Healing Ritual is crazy strong now.

LtCrunch

ToRelax wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about a was verbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs a stepchild....? They've been a consistently strong class since launch, and 1.6 is improving them further in most regards. The only significant change for the worse since launch was to negate magic which should have never gone live with trials patched in 1.2 (should have been done at the same time).

Really none of the classes have ever been particularly under par except situationally. Templars clearly weren't strong pve trial dps for example in the past but could heal them well, and rocked in every other game content type (long time dark horse of being top of the heap for pvp that everyone ignored). Nightblade players complained constantly about their pvp power, but unless you were trying to be a stereotypical melee physical stamina rogue type, they were great even with a few major bugs that have since been fixed with things like Dark cloak.

Sorcs were strong at launch, yes, because people didn't know how to counter all their skills.
Now people wear impenetrable, reflect, dodge and absorb projectiles, break negates, roll out of roots, interrupt channels, use gap closers against bolt escape...

And did you just say Cloak is fixed ?

Only two of the things you've listed effect Sorcerers specifically. The rest of those things effect every other class/build to varying degrees.

Jaerlach

The buff on Igneous shield buffs your healing DONE, so of course it affects your group.

It isn't a healing received buff.

Seraphyel

Faulgor wrote: »

Seraphyel wrote: »

Templars have a passive that increases all healing they do for 30% when they stand in one of their AoE healing zones where they always stand. Just with the AoE hot they have the passive skill always applied.

Templars still have the strongest heals, especially the incredibly buffed Healing Ritual does some insane amounts of healing.

The passive only boosts healing skills from the Restoring Light tree, not healing in general like DKs. At least as far as I know.

And yeah, Healing Ritual is crazy strong now.

Right but Templars have additional heals that tend to be superior.

Dks only have the four Resto skills that get buffed, not that much.

Healing Ritual heals nearly three times more than a fully applied Healing Springs, that's crazy. Combined with the quite strong Purifying Ritual it's great AoE heal.

ToRelax

Brandalf wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

I fear all the whining and complaining will lead to an overbuff.

Please let us at least get some buffs first. Talking about a was verbuff is harsh.
Sorcs did get nothing so far and I highly doubt, they will give us at least that, what we really deserve. We're still the step child never forget that.

Sorcs a stepchild....? They've been a consistently strong class since launch, and 1.6 is improving them further in most regards. The only significant change for the worse since launch was to negate magic which should have never gone live with trials patched in 1.2 (should have been done at the same time).

Really none of the classes have ever been particularly under par except situationally. Templars clearly weren't strong pve trial dps for example in the past but could heal them well, and rocked in every other game content type (long time dark horse of being top of the heap for pvp that everyone ignored). Nightblade players complained constantly about their pvp power, but unless you were trying to be a stereotypical melee physical stamina rogue type, they were great even with a few major bugs that have since been fixed with things like Dark cloak.

Sorcs were strong at launch, yes, because people didn't know how to counter all their skills.
Now people wear impenetrable, reflect, dodge and absorb projectiles, break negates, roll out of roots, interrupt channels, use gap closers against bolt escape...

And did you just say Cloak is fixed ?

Only two of the things you've listed effect Sorcerers specifically. The rest of those things effect every other class/build to varying degrees.

So what?

It does not change the fact that most Sorc skills can be countered much easier than other classes skills.

Actually it would be pretty hilarious if those counters worked only on Sorc skills ^^.