Sanctum Ophida Trial nerfed? It seems easier on PTS than on Live..

Alcast · February 2015

Why did you do that ZOS? Preparation for Console noobs? >.>
And once we gain enough CP, boss will dead in half the time than on Live now.

JuL1aN · February 2015

I dont get it aswell. I just dont get it....

DDuke · February 2015

I'd like to share my full thoughts about this, but I'd probably get banned if I did.

Just... no.

If you want to nerf SO, do it when there's new, more difficult content out there.

Even so, I still wouldn't do it. It's better to let people learn, become better & progress in the end game, than have everything be a dumbed down faceroll.

Don't do it.

Random trivia: when WoW started dumbing down, it lost millions of players.

timidobserver · February 2015

I'd like to know what parts of it were nerfed. Which bosses(all?) Trash?

Fissh · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

I'd like to know what parts of it were nerfed. Which bosses(all?) Trash?

Agreed.
Though I want tough content, I would welcome a small nerf to Mantikora, but not to Serpent. My thoughts are that Mantikora is a huge stone wall for general public. I appreciate difficulty, but would rather that difficulty progress rather than stone wall front door....2 amazingly easy fights....then Serpent.
I love the Serpent fight, and find it to be scaled almost exactly as it should be on live. NO nerf needed there. However, you create this content for people to play and making the Mantikora the hardest fight as the FIRST fight simply does not make sense. Get people into the content...progress the difficulty. Otherwise, confidence of the learners is deflated quickly right in the front door. This leads to a bit of elitist attitude when forming SO groups (I am guilty of it at times).

JuL1aN · February 2015

Fissh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I'd like to know what parts of it were nerfed. Which bosses(all?) Trash?

Agreed.
Though I want tough content, I would welcome a small nerf to Mantikora, but not to Serpent. My thoughts are that Mantikora is a huge stone wall for general public. I appreciate difficulty, but would rather that difficulty progress rather than stone wall front door....2 amazingly easy fights....then Serpent.
I love the Serpent fight, and find it to be scaled almost exactly as it should be on live. NO nerf needed there. However, you create this content for people to play and making the Mantikora the hardest fight as the FIRST fight simply does not make sense. Get people into the content...progress the difficulty. Otherwise, confidence of the learners is deflated quickly right in the front door. This leads to a bit of elitist attitude when forming SO groups (I am guilty of it at times).

Everything got nerfed or we got buffed too much.

timidobserver · February 2015

Fissh wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I'd like to know what parts of it were nerfed. Which bosses(all?) Trash?

Agreed.
Though I want tough content, I would welcome a small nerf to Mantikora, but not to Serpent. My thoughts are that Mantikora is a huge stone wall for general public. I appreciate difficulty, but would rather that difficulty progress rather than stone wall front door....2 amazingly easy fights....then Serpent.
I love the Serpent fight, and find it to be scaled almost exactly as it should be on live. NO nerf needed there. However, you create this content for people to play and making the Mantikora the hardest fight as the FIRST fight simply does not make sense. Get people into the content...progress the difficulty. Otherwise, confidence of the learners is deflated quickly right in the front door. This leads to a bit of elitist attitude when forming SO groups (I am guilty of it at times).

I might have agreed with this last week. However, given the announcement in the podcast here (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150509/devs-confirm-vet-levels-here-to-stay-until-sometime-after-console-release/p1) about their being no new endgame content until after summer, I think ZOS should not be nerfing anything in Sanctum Ophidia, including Mantikora. It needs to maintain all possible progression to make up for their being no new end game content for a long time.

Yusuf · February 2015

Question to the OP @Alcast, in what regards has SO become easier?

Is it the Mantikora or the last boss? might the reason behind that be the new ultimate-generation? Just curious.

DDuke · February 2015

This is why we're testing, to make sure the difficulty is back to normal before PTS is over.

Atleast that's what I keep telling myself

Gyudan · February 2015

I'd like to thank everyone's QQ feedback on the PTS for this.

Waaaaa my DK was nerfed.

Oh no, I'll never complete trials with my nightblade now.

I'd better shelve this character with the changes to ulti generation

I can only get 8K DPS, need buff!.

Now we get easymode Sanctum. Great job guys!

Syntse · February 2015

Gyudan wrote: »

I'd like to thank everyone's QQ feedback on the PTS for this.

Waaaaa my DK was nerfed.

Oh no, I'll never complete trials with my nightblade now.

I'd better shelve this character with the changes to ulti generation

I can only get 8K DPS, need buff!.

Now we get easymode Sanctum. Great job guys!

Agree. However I don't think any nerfs have been done in PTS yet because of the latest QQs in PTS forum. Just people have not adapted to changed skills and scaling. The competitive players adapt and overcome quicker and find that there was actually no nerf but buff.

Once we start to see builds from competitive players I'm sure people start to see also that there has not been nerf.

Joejudas · February 2015

So I'm pretty sure Hodor either didn't finish or barely got it done on the PTS. So I'm pretty sure the OP is just trying to get a rise out of folks.

igni · February 2015

There is no information in this.

pppontus · February 2015

Nope, he is 100% correct. We got to the Serpent yesterday pretty much just lollygagging with lousy builds and no clue, Manti and Serpents health modifiers is merely 5x so they go down fast even with bad builds. We wiped on the Serpent because we used up our resses since we still suck a bit on the PTS, but we shouldn't have been able to even get there..

SO is nerfed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcntMLJ8ir0

igni · February 2015

See, this post is information. Because there is a video attached, where the Devs can see something and perhaps do something about it. When you give them nothing, what can they do about it?

Joejudas · February 2015

this is crazy. Well ok I was wrong. Dang. We did AA on the PTS and it was weird to say the least

pppontus · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

this is crazy. Well ok I was wrong. Dang. We did AA on the PTS and it was weird to say the least

AA buffed and SO nerfed.. at this point I don't know what they are thinking really. ^^

Alcast · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

So I'm pretty sure Hodor either didn't finish or barely got it done on the PTS. So I'm pretty sure the OP is just trying to get a rise out of folks.

If you have no clue what you are talking about better do not talk at all dude. The Mantikora dies far too fast and there are a lot less trashmobs between bossfights.
And once we have more CP it will be a piece of cake.

It is really not our problem if you cannot adapt to the new changes.

Islyn · February 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Nope, he is 100% correct. We got to the Serpent yesterday pretty much just lollygagging...

@pppontus‌
Meanwhile in Skyrim: No lollygagging!

Islyn · February 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So I'm pretty sure Hodor either didn't finish or barely got it done on the PTS. So I'm pretty sure the OP is just trying to get a rise out of folks.

If you have no clue what you are talking about better do not talk at all dude. The Mantikora dies far too fast and there are a lot less trashmobs between bossfights.
And once we have more CP it will be a piece of cake.

It is really not our problem if you cannot adapt to the new changes.

Kids! Don't make me turn this thread around!!

Alphashado · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

this is crazy. Well ok I was wrong. Dang. We did AA on the PTS and it was weird to say the least

......

Syntse · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

this is crazy. Well ok I was wrong. Dang. We did AA on the PTS and it was weird to say the least

Patch Notes 1.6 wrote:

Trials

General
Adjusted monster health and damage in all trials to account for the Champion System.

Increased the boss health in Aetherian Archive and Hel Ra Citadel.

Alcast · February 2015

I hope they gonna increase the difficulty or at least the HP/armor of the mobs

Serpent on Live: around 4mio hp
Serpent on PTS: around 17mio hp

That is nowhere near 10x LoL

And on top of that, although we have LESS spell and armor resistance, Mobs and bosses deal less damage. Also AoE effects of mobs do a lot less damage.

timidobserver · February 2015

I guess it makes sense to make it easy mode since they made most of the gear worthless.

Alcast · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

I guess it makes sense to make it easy mode since they made most of the gear worthless.

Gear is totally fine. If you refer to the crit then dun worry. You got now a 10% base crit and you can get another 12% from the CP system...so they HAD to nef it otherwise you would see ppl with 150% crit lol

Kyoma · February 2015

Hmmmm, this all sounds a little bit disturbing and I do hope things will change between PTS and Live.

DDuke · February 2015

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I guess it makes sense to make it easy mode since they made most of the gear worthless.

Gear is totally fine. If you refer to the crit then dun worry. You got now a 10% base crit and you can get another 12% from the CP system...so they HAD to nef it otherwise you would see ppl with 150% crit lol

Did you miss the part where they nerfed it to oblivion?

Compared to live, the gear has:
Vicious Ophidian

10% less enchantment value (used to have 10% more than crafted)
17 (171) weapon damage, used to have 22 (220). Hunding's Rage still has 29 (299).
4% less crit.

Infallible Aether

10% less enchanment value (used to have 10% more than crafted)
Now only 5% reduced armour/spell resistance from set bonus, instead of 10% as before.
+58 (581) Heavy Attack damage, down from +83 (830).
4% less crit.

You see, they changed a lot more than just the crit values on sets.

Being in Hodor, you probably know that most of these sets were barely worth using on live, now they're just flat out suboptimal.

Something you can craft in 5 minutes with zero effort is better than something you spend hundreds of hours to collect.

But hey, it's PTS. This is why we're testing, to make sure mistakes like this don't make it to Live.

Petros · February 2015

Alcast wrote: »

I hope they gonna increase the difficulty or at least the HP/armor of the mobs

Serpent on Live: around 4mio hp
Serpent on PTS: around 17mio hp

That is nowhere near 10x LoL

And on top of that, although we have LESS spell and armor resistance, Mobs and bosses deal less damage. Also AoE effects of mobs do a lot less damage.

pppontus wrote: »

Nope, he is 100% correct. We got to the Serpent yesterday pretty much just lollygagging with lousy builds and no clue, Manti and Serpents health modifiers is merely 5x so they go down fast even with bad builds. We wiped on the Serpent because we used up our resses since we still suck a bit on the PTS, but we shouldn't have been able to even get there..

SO is nerfed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcntMLJ8ir0

If the bosses are to deal less damage, why did the Tank get 1 shot? Vid timer 2:23.

Seems the tank had to have been around 98% healed and then wack, dead.

timidobserver · February 2015

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I guess it makes sense to make it easy mode since they made most of the gear worthless.

Gear is totally fine. If you refer to the crit then dun worry. You got now a 10% base crit and you can get another 12% from the CP system...so they HAD to nef it otherwise you would see ppl with 150% crit lol

I didn't say crit is worthless or unavailable. What is worthless is the Sanctum gear and trials gear in general because the meager crit on it isn't worth putting on. It'll be much more viable to take your 12% crit from the champion system and your base crit and then put on spell/weapon damage gear with it.

Alcast · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I guess it makes sense to make it easy mode since they made most of the gear worthless.

Gear is totally fine. If you refer to the crit then dun worry. You got now a 10% base crit and you can get another 12% from the CP system...so they HAD to nef it otherwise you would see ppl with 150% crit lol

I didn't say crit is worthless or unavailable. What is worthless is the Sanctum gear and trials gear in general because the meager crit on it isn't worth putting on. It'll be much more viable to take your 12% crit from the champion system and your base crit and then put on spell/weapon damage gear with it.

Ye true, well the only good Sanctum gear was Vicious serpent anyway...but it is still OP for stamusers if you have stamina issues

Joejudas · February 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So I'm pretty sure Hodor either didn't finish or barely got it done on the PTS. So I'm pretty sure the OP is just trying to get a rise out of folks.

If you have no clue what you are talking about better do not talk at all dude. The Mantikora dies far too fast and there are a lot less trashmobs between bossfights.
And once we have more CP it will be a piece of cake.

It is really not our problem if you cannot adapt to the new changes.

Thanks for testing this seeing as no one cares about SO now anyways since the gear is garbage. Also you clearly have an attitude problem to get on my case after I was like wait my bad I'm wrong. Cool story bro.