Multiple horses of the same type

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

I would suggest refunding the cost of duplicate horses and all of the feeding's purchased for each one.

Merlin13KAGL

Not gonna happen. The stats should add up to the max of 60 though, and/or the horses you took the time to create should at least still be there, even if they do have the same combined stats at that point.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Not gonna happen. The stats should add up to the max of 60 though, and/or the horses you took the time to create should at least still be there, even if they do have the same combined stats at that point.

It had better happen.

DobbaDeuce

I've purchased 7 draft horses across my characters, so essentially out 256,200 gold with the new system. Oh well.

XEVENEX

Im on a horse.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

DobbaDeuce wrote: »

I've purchased 7 draft horses across my characters, so essentially out 256,200 gold with the new system. Oh well.

No "oh well" demand your money back you earned it.

Locke_ESO

It is pretty infuriating for people with multiple horses. Apart from the head start it gives you on getting a max level horse with all trainings (that you paid for anyway) you're essentially down 42k for each duplicate horse you purchased.

bowmanz607

I don't understand why people keep getting mad about all the mones they wasted on gear and in this case horses. We all knew that 1.6 was going to be a crazy change and we have known this since it was announced at the end of the summer. Ofcourse these changes mean respecting and losing out on things you have done in the game. To think otherwise is ludacris. This is a fundamental change to the game which means the whole game is changing. To expect them to track how much money ppl spent on horses and gear and all that nonesense is just illogical. Who has the time for that when you are basically tearing how the game operates and starting over. We all lose out on That sort of progress but it is ultimately for the best. 6 months from now people won't even think twice about it.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep getting mad about all the mones they wasted on gear and in this case horses. We all knew that 1.6 was going to be a crazy change and we have known this since it was announced at the end of the summer. Ofcourse these changes mean respecting and losing out on things you have done in the game. To think otherwise is ludacris. This is a fundamental change to the game which means the whole game is changing. To expect them to track how much money ppl spent on horses and gear and all that nonesense is just illogical. Who has the time for that when you are basically tearing how the game operates and starting over. We all lose out on That sort of progress but it is ultimately for the best. 6 months from now people won't even think twice about it.

This is poor logic and ZoS feeds off of this kind of mentality.

Lynnessa

I'm confused about the problem here, and lack both the attention span to read patch notes and the motivation to play on PTS.

Does something in 1.6 allow the purchase of fully-upgraded (i.e. level 50) horses or something?

bowmanz607

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep getting mad about all the mones they wasted on gear and in this case horses. We all knew that 1.6 was going to be a crazy change and we have known this since it was announced at the end of the summer. Ofcourse these changes mean respecting and losing out on things you have done in the game. To think otherwise is ludacris. This is a fundamental change to the game which means the whole game is changing. To expect them to track how much money ppl spent on horses and gear and all that nonesense is just illogical. Who has the time for that when you are basically tearing how the game operates and starting over. We all lose out on That sort of progress but it is ultimately for the best. 6 months from now people won't even think twice about it.

This is poor logic and ZoS feeds off of this kind of mentality.

Plz explain how this is poor logic. Seems reasonable to me.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Lynnessa wrote: »

I'm confused about the problem here, and lack both the attention span to read patch notes and the motivation to play on PTS.

Does something in 1.6 allow the purchase of fully-upgraded (i.e. level 50) horses or something?

All the money you paid for horses and feeding them goes poof.

newtinmpls

Bowman, I too have no idea what this conversation is about. I've played since ... summer at least (between work and school it's a blur); I craft and deconstruct a lot, and if it wasn't for the fact that my first purchase was the Imperial edition, I wouldn't have a horse. I have no sympathy for anyone who is "out" 42k since I doubt I've totalled that much the entire time.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

newtinmpls wrote: »

Bowman, I too have no idea what this conversation is about. I've played since ... summer at least (between work and school it's a blur); I craft and deconstruct a lot, and if it wasn't for the fact that my first purchase was the Imperial edition, I wouldn't have a horse. I have no sympathy for anyone who is "out" 42k since I doubt I've totalled that much the entire time.

How very envious and selfish of you.

baratron

I'm mildly annoyed, but I bought my first "fancy" horse back in May, and my most recent one in November. I can't really argue that I should get a refund on a horse I've been using for months .

If people have multiple horses of the same type, then they could sell their duplicate horses back at the Stable before 1.6 goes live. They won't get back the cost of the feedings, but at least they'll get back the initial 42k gold outlay. This won't work, however, if you need to use those expensive horses to get your 50 points of Speed, Stamina, and Carrying on each character. (Although read this, there may be a bug with horse stats.)

Then again... I'm a little uncertain why someone is so upset to have lost in-game money. I've chosen to spend my gold on all sorts of rubbish, such as spending 45k gold on an Imperial Motif because I couldn't be bothered to look for one or the, uh, 28k gold I spent on a blue Level 23 Signet of the Warlock. If you've had the horse for months and your characters have had the use of the horse all this time, why do you expect to get a refund now?

If it upsets you that much, then sell all but one of each expensive horse now and buy an Imperial or Palamino horse to train in each stat. You'll get back the 42k that the expensive horses cost, lose the 12250 gold that you spent training them to Level 50, and have to spend another 12250 gold training the 1 gold horse to Level 50. Still, you'll make back about half of what you would have "lost" if you waited until 1.6 went Live.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

baratron wrote: »

I'm mildly annoyed, but I bought my first "fancy" horse back in May, and my most recent one in November. I can't really argue that I should get a refund on a horse I've been using for months .

If people have multiple horses of the same type, then they could sell their duplicate horses back at the Stable before 1.6 goes live. They won't get back the cost of the feedings, but at least they'll get back the initial 42k gold outlay. This won't work, however, if you need to use those expensive horses to get your 50 points of Speed, Stamina, and Carrying on each character. (Although read this, there may be a bug with horse stats.)

Then again... I'm a little uncertain why someone is so upset to have lost in-game money. I've chosen to spend my gold on all sorts of rubbish, such as spending 45k gold on an Imperial Motif because I couldn't be bothered to look for one or the, uh, 28k gold I spent on a blue Level 23 Signet of the Warlock. If you've had the horse for months and your characters have had the use of the horse all this time, why do you expect to get a refund now?

If it upsets you that much, then sell all but one of each expensive horse now and buy an Imperial or Palamino horse to train in each stat. You'll get back the 42k that the expensive horses cost, lose the 12250 gold that you spent training them to Level 50, and have to spend another 12250 gold training the 1 gold horse to Level 50. Still, you'll make back about half of what you would have "lost" if you waited until 1.6 went Live.

It's a virtual horse roflmao, it doesn't "depreciate" it still holds the same value as when you first purchased it and all the feedings has increased its value.

ZoS. I would like a full refund of all duplicate horses and their feeds please. Thank you.

GaldorP

Paid 100k gold for the final stable slot on my main character so she could have all 6 horses (that was around 5 months ago before Update 5 was released and long, long before update 6 was even announced). Also maxed speed on all 6 horses because it was the best option and I wanted to be able to use them all.

Oh well -> Sold 2 horses now, bought 2 new ones and started levelling one for Stamina and one for Capacity so I won't be that far behind other players when 1.6 is released.

Lonesniper

baratron wrote: »

I'm mildly annoyed, but I bought my first "fancy" horse back in May, and my most recent one in November. I can't really argue that I should get a refund on a horse I've been using for months .

If people have multiple horses of the same type, then they could sell their duplicate horses back at the Stable before 1.6 goes live. They won't get back the cost of the feedings, but at least they'll get back the initial 42k gold outlay. This won't work, however, if you need to use those expensive horses to get your 50 points of Speed, Stamina, and Carrying on each character. (Although read this, there may be a bug with horse stats.)

Then again... I'm a little uncertain why someone is so upset to have lost in-game money. I've chosen to spend my gold on all sorts of rubbish, such as spending 45k gold on an Imperial Motif because I couldn't be bothered to look for one or the, uh, 28k gold I spent on a blue Level 23 Signet of the Warlock. If you've had the horse for months and your characters have had the use of the horse all this time, why do you expect to get a refund now?

If it upsets you that much, then sell all but one of each expensive horse now and buy an Imperial or Palamino horse to train in each stat. You'll get back the 42k that the expensive horses cost, lose the 12250 gold that you spent training them to Level 50, and have to spend another 12250 gold training the 1 gold horse to Level 50. Still, you'll make back about half of what you would have "lost" if you waited until 1.6 went Live.

Well not really, you get 10% of the cost back.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Lonesniper wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

I'm mildly annoyed, but I bought my first "fancy" horse back in May, and my most recent one in November. I can't really argue that I should get a refund on a horse I've been using for months .

If people have multiple horses of the same type, then they could sell their duplicate horses back at the Stable before 1.6 goes live. They won't get back the cost of the feedings, but at least they'll get back the initial 42k gold outlay. This won't work, however, if you need to use those expensive horses to get your 50 points of Speed, Stamina, and Carrying on each character. (Although read this, there may be a bug with horse stats.)

Then again... I'm a little uncertain why someone is so upset to have lost in-game money. I've chosen to spend my gold on all sorts of rubbish, such as spending 45k gold on an Imperial Motif because I couldn't be bothered to look for one or the, uh, 28k gold I spent on a blue Level 23 Signet of the Warlock. If you've had the horse for months and your characters have had the use of the horse all this time, why do you expect to get a refund now?

If it upsets you that much, then sell all but one of each expensive horse now and buy an Imperial or Palamino horse to train in each stat. You'll get back the 42k that the expensive horses cost, lose the 12250 gold that you spent training them to Level 50, and have to spend another 12250 gold training the 1 gold horse to Level 50. Still, you'll make back about half of what you would have "lost" if you waited until 1.6 went Live.

Well not really, you get 10% of the cost back.

I don't feel the need to waste my precious time jumping through hoops to get back what is owed to me tyvm. @GinaBruno I would like my money reimbursed for duplicate mounts please ty.

Pausekey

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep getting mad about all the mones they wasted on gear and in this case horses. We all knew that 1.6 was going to be a crazy change and we have known this since it was announced at the end of the summer. Ofcourse these changes mean respecting and losing out on things you have done in the game. To think otherwise is ludacris. This is a fundamental change to the game which means the whole game is changing. To expect them to track how much money ppl spent on horses and gear and all that nonesense is just illogical. Who has the time for that when you are basically tearing how the game operates and starting over. We all lose out on That sort of progress but it is ultimately for the best. 6 months from now people won't even think twice about it.

If we all lose out how then can that be for the best?

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Pausekey wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I don't understand why people keep getting mad about all the mones they wasted on gear and in this case horses. We all knew that 1.6 was going to be a crazy change and we have known this since it was announced at the end of the summer. Ofcourse these changes mean respecting and losing out on things you have done in the game. To think otherwise is ludacris. This is a fundamental change to the game which means the whole game is changing. To expect them to track how much money ppl spent on horses and gear and all that nonesense is just illogical. Who has the time for that when you are basically tearing how the game operates and starting over. We all lose out on That sort of progress but it is ultimately for the best. 6 months from now people won't even think twice about it.

If we all lose out how then can that be for the best?

^ This. These kids these days still make me gape in wonderment. I can't decide which is worse between "self entitlement" attitude and the "laissez faire run me over I don't care" I can not understand how we even continue to exist as a nation....

bowmanz607

I'm saying it sux but the change is ultimately for the good of the game. I have no problem with that. Does it really take you that long to get 45k.

CaptnCreamsicle

I don't seem to follow what the problem is. It seems you are saying you bought several of one type of horse for some reason and now you want your gold back for the food you gave them. Why did you buy more then one of the same horse in the first place? I assume you did it to level each of the three stats as high as possible but you will be given credited for the highest amount you have put jnto each stat so you're not loosing anything.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

It's the fact that it DOES take time to EARN 45k.

So you don't mind if I steal 50k of your valuables because well... you can get it back right.

bowmanz607

CaptnCreamsicle wrote: »

I don't seem to follow what the problem is. It seems you are saying you bought several of one type of horse for some reason and now you want your gold back for the food you gave them. Why did you buy more then one of the same horse in the first place? I assume you did it to level each of the three stats as high as possible but you will be given credited for the highest amount you have put jnto each stat so you're not loosing anything.

The problem ppl have is that they bought multiple horses for multiple toons. So they want money back for those horses.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

It's the fact that it DOES take time to EARN 45k.

So you don't mind if I steal 50k of your valuables because well... you can get it back right.

It does not take that much time. In fact if you have bought numerous horses money does not seem to be a problem for you it would seem

Kingdinguhling

the only refund you will most likely be getting for these horses will be the price you get for selling them back to the stable.

And I doubt ZOS will handle that. you'll have to do it yourself.

Honestly it is a bit petty. the whole Economy is going to change with this new patch and I bet ZOS has took it into Consideration but they are most likely not going to give you a refund. they Certainly don't need Economy problems of a huge influx of gold as well as all the other changes.

A lot of games when they have massive patches you loose a lot of things or get very little back in return for the losses.
Its for the good of the game and ultimately will give the game better playability and longevity which creates more opportunities for you to make your money back if that's how you spend all your time in ESO.

only thing I could see ZOS doing is something similar to FFXIV where they gave people 1/20 or 1/10 of the value back.

and then they reduced everyone's gold (Gil) down by 1/10 too. so if you had 1000 gil you now had 100 gil.


OHHHH and another big one I lost close to $65 (real money) on Diablo 3 RMAH (Real Money Auction House) never shed a single key stroke over it.

I had around 17 billion gold sitting on that account and all I felt like selling was the big ticket items.

In this case I just didn't really care and I knew they where removing the auction house.

You can sell your horses back to the stable at a reduced profit ... its always been there and you knew it as soon as you hit buy.

I would laugh if they gave horses random in game time 6-12 year expiration dates. log in one day and your horse is dead for sake of realism.

WOW these kids would have a Seizure.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

100's of thousands of gold is not "petty" by any standard.

Inco

I'm confused. Are the NEW stats a combination of account wide horse training points?

I've seen the PTS and how we now show the three variables for horses, but I didn't see how it handled my account.

If I've trained a mount to SPEED on one character (max) and STAMINA on a couple horses for a different character are they all combined?

MorHawk

Inco wrote: »

I'm confused. Are the NEW stats a combination of account wide horse training points?

I've seen the PTS and how we now show the three variables for horses, but I didn't see how it handled my account.

If I've trained a mount to SPEED on one character (max) and STAMINA on a couple horses for a different character are they all combined?

That's correct, though I don't know if they'll be character or account bound.

ItsRejectz

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

DobbaDeuce wrote: »

I've purchased 7 draft horses across my characters, so essentially out 256,200 gold with the new system. Oh well.

No "oh well" demand your money back you earned it.

The "I'm entitled to" is strong in this padawan

Merlin13KAGL

Inco wrote: »

I'm confused. Are the NEW stats a combination of account wide horse training points?

I've seen the PTS and how we now show the three variables for horses, but I didn't see how it handled my account.

If I've trained a mount to SPEED on one character (max) and STAMINA on a couple horses for a different character are they all combined?

@Inco , let me see if I can clear this up once and for all, including the explanation for everyone else about why you're really not losing the money you think you are.

• First, any character that had one or more horses pre-1.6 will still have at least one horse for that character.
• If they were different kinds (visually), you will have access to the different skins, just as you do now.
• Your other horse money does not need to be refunded, as you will still have your investment come 1.6. In fact, it will be an even better horse than it was in 1.5.
• Your investment in multiple horses per character, presumably for speed, stamina, and capacity will be merged into any mount you use from that point on. Your horse will be all it was, plus more.
• This will vary by character, via riding skill, the same as it currently varies by character via different horses.
• The only way you have lost money is if you have leveled a hybrid horse (1/2 speed, 1/2 stamina, for instance), along with a full speed and/or full stamina horse.

Riding skill (Feedings in 1.5) are character based, just as the horses are.

For the complaints about $ lost , you are saving from 12,500g - 37,500g on any future mount, as they will automatically get these stats.

Your $'s not gone. It's simply been moved from 3 shoe boxes to one shoe box. Feel free to count it, it's all still there.