ZOS You Are Making a Big Mistake Nerfing Stealth Sneak Attack As It Will Destroy Bow Attacks

Palidon

I hope you fully understand the impact of what you are doing and have been doing for some time. As a DW/Bow NB player who has relied on stealth and sneak attack your upcoming changes have finally pushed me out of the game. I am sure many other will follow suit. It's your pocket book so enjoy the pay decrease.

MADshadowman

Ooooooooor, you could just adapt your build. Just saying.

Palidon

I have always played a DW/Bow combo character and I should not have to adapt my build because ZOS is intent on destroying any type of NB build. If I can not successfully play that type of build then its time to go. What ZOS does not understand is they are destroying their game and pushing out an entire class of players. Go to Tamerial Foundry or YouTube for that matter and see the ever growing negative reviews. I have no idea what you play but I doubt you would adapt to another build if the current skill line and build you were using was nerfed. You would most likely just be pissed off like I am.

aco5712

like i have said to many other NBs, 1.3k bow attacks back before cap changes was the norm and it was ridiuclously easy to kill people still back then, so seriously its not that damn bad

MADshadowman

Well, then goodbye!

For your info: almost everything in my builds got nerfed, so i had to adapt to that and try different stuff. That's what keeps things fresh and exciting.

You have 4 classes, each class has 3 skill trees and you have 6 weapon skill trees. You could just combine so many different skills and be awesome in a different way, but you're just like "nope, i don't want to change anything".

this means you don't want to play this game anyway, so please feel free to leave.

Nidwin

When they nerfed the Warlock set I adapted, I got rid of it.
When they nerfed my magicka regen through heavy attacks on my restoration staff from 15% to 10% I adapted, I let peeps die so I can keep some magicka for later.

quetzatli

lol then play NB guys if you think there is good build to play...dont forget that many NB skills are bugged since beta, dont forget that medium armor stealth bonuses are bugged.

Cody

alright. stop saying its a NB nerf, because its not. its a general stealth nerf. NBs are not the only ones who heavily rely on stealth. Many sorcerers do too. heck iv even seen DKs and Templars that are big on sneak attacks with a bow.

Varicite

aco5712 wrote: »

like i have said to many other NBs, 1.3k bow attacks back before cap changes was the norm and it was ridiuclously easy to kill people still back then, so seriously its not that damn bad

This seems strangely familiar.

Sounds a lot like when they nerfed bow stealth attacks right before launch and everyone cried and talked about how worthless bows would be in every aspect of the game.

Then again, they also said that about Sorcs back then too...

mousekime111rwb17_ESO

They're buffing bows and duel wield in every way possible except for sneak attacking players... I'm sorry but if you want to lolgib people before they even know what hit them, get a small group together, count to three and all hit snipe at the same damned time. If you want to do steady long term high end dps at any range - wait till patch 1.5 then praise the devs. I don't get the fuss about the sneak attack nerf. Venom arrow is being buffed by almost 50 %, the 30% dot buff AND the ability to crit. Lethal arrow > Lethal arrow while the first is in the air, poison injection as the first lands - you are now critting for 500 every second without having to even throw a light attack - light attack weave with lethal arrows (they charge up fast now) and completely and utterly wreck them as at this stage you're doing 1.5kdps and they have 50% reduced healing. That's plenty of dps to keep any shields they throw up down and they won't stop taking that huge damage until they get above 50% hp, which should be impossible on their own at this stage.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

You can't get 2k snipes/lethals/focus aims anymore. Boo hoo. It was ultra unfair and you know it, to own someone completely unseen at long range. Now you have to deal with it or get in melee range for the real sneak damage, and actually fight your opponent rather than just watch them eat dirt from afar. As a stealth DW nightblade that should still work for you.

Zsymon

Stealth attacks are just too powerful right now, no one enjoys being killed instantly with no way to fight back. If they nerf stealth damage then they can upgrade sustained damage, making combat far more interesting.

You may enjoy one shotting your victims, but those victims are paying players too, and they really do not enjoy such a mechanic. I've seen plenty of stamina NB players in action that did not rely on stealth damage, and they did just fine destroying their targets. You'll just have to get some more max magicka instead of going for 2600 stamina.

Papa_Hunt

Palidon wrote: »

...It Will Destroy Bow Attacks...

Perfect!

Cody

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

You can't get 2k snipes/lethals/focus aims anymore. Boo hoo. It was ultra unfair and you know it, to own someone completely unseen at long range. Now you have to deal with it or get in melee range for the real sneak damage, and actually fight your opponent rather than just watch them eat dirt from afar. As a stealth DW nightblade that should still work for you.

then once you get in melee range, enjoy the enemy block and spamming with crushing shock and flame whip......

the "unfairness" works both ways:/

Varicite

Cody wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

You can't get 2k snipes/lethals/focus aims anymore. Boo hoo. It was ultra unfair and you know it, to own someone completely unseen at long range. Now you have to deal with it or get in melee range for the real sneak damage, and actually fight your opponent rather than just watch them eat dirt from afar. As a stealth DW nightblade that should still work for you.

then once you get in melee range, enjoy the enemy block and spamming with crushing shock and flame whip......

the "unfairness" works both ways:/

I thought you were a DW NB. Why aren't you using Sparks and Aspect of Fear?

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Cody wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

You can't get 2k snipes/lethals/focus aims anymore. Boo hoo. It was ultra unfair and you know it, to own someone completely unseen at long range. Now you have to deal with it or get in melee range for the real sneak damage, and actually fight your opponent rather than just watch them eat dirt from afar. As a stealth DW nightblade that should still work for you.

then once you get in melee range, enjoy the enemy block and spamming with crushing shock and flame whip......

the "unfairness" works both ways:/

Someday you will have good dreams instead of nightmares about DK's. Good thing they will one day "address" block casting in some way.

kazeweaver

You say this as if bows aren't already op and haven't gotten buffs

Cody

Varicite wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

You can't get 2k snipes/lethals/focus aims anymore. Boo hoo. It was ultra unfair and you know it, to own someone completely unseen at long range. Now you have to deal with it or get in melee range for the real sneak damage, and actually fight your opponent rather than just watch them eat dirt from afar. As a stealth DW nightblade that should still work for you.

then once you get in melee range, enjoy the enemy block and spamming with crushing shock and flame whip......

the "unfairness" works both ways:/

I thought you were a DW NB. Why aren't you using Sparks and Aspect of Fear?

don't you think that's what I first tried??? sparks wont help against the crushing shock spammers, and AOF costs a good chunk of magicka each cast, AND its CC broke.... it gives me maybe 1 second if the player I am facing has any kind of sense about them(or if its not letting them CC break)



man I hate block and casting.......

Bouvin

So it's okay to do a 1.3k Banner of MIght in the middle of a fight, but not a 1.3k bow hit that's only good once from stealth.

Mkay...

Mojomonkeyman

Bouvin wrote: »

So it's okay to do a 1.3k Banner of MIght in the middle of a fight, but not a 1.3k bow hit that's only good once from stealth.

Mkay...

Yeah, because anyone can see a banner and just walk/roll out of it. How can I dodge what I dont see?

Still_Mind

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

So it's okay to do a 1.3k Banner of MIght in the middle of a fight, but not a 1.3k bow hit that's only good once from stealth.

Mkay...

Yeah, because anyone can see a banner and just walk/roll out of it. How can I dodge what I dont see?

Free your mind, Neo.

Spangla

Mojo - you talk sense alot of the time but please dont pretend that your dk is anywhere near as crappy as a bow nb lol. They may be able to gank you out in the wild but thats about it!

Personally i love it when I see an archer because they are an easy kill. Occasionally they are an inconvenience when they manage to catch me off guard whilst in the middle of a crowd bat spamming.

I find this nerf to sneak ridiculous it will destroy the much cooler ambush melee based nb gank build for no reason other than people whining that they got ganked whilst on their horse.

GOOD JOB ZENI

Varicite

Spangla wrote: »

Mojo - you talk sense alot of the time but please dont pretend that your dk is anywhere near as crappy as a bow nb lol. They may be able to gank you out in the wild but thats about it!

Personally i love it when I see an archer because they are an easy kill. Occasionally they are an inconvenience when they manage to catch me off guard whilst in the middle of a crowd bat spamming.

I find this nerf to sneak ridiculous it will destroy the much cooler ambush melee based nb gank build for no reason other than people whining that they got ganked whilst on their horse.

GOOD JOB ZENI

It's being nerfed because it was never intended to be able to kill people before they can react.

That's why bow damage was nerfed in the first place before the game even went live.

Now that it's possible again, stealth damage is being nerfed to curb this kind of tactic.

Spangla

It cant kill people before they can react - unless they are on a horse durp

Zsymon

Spangla wrote: »

It cant kill people before they can react - unless they are on a horse durp

Yes it can, and it does all the time.. otherwise they wouldn't be nerfing stealth damage.

And this is from 28m range for Stendarr's sake.. if they were doing it from melee range then I could maybe understand these complaints. Imo bow attacks should not get a stealth bonus at all, just like staves don't get one.

Maybe a better solution would be to leave stealth as it is, but remove the bow stealth damage. That way melee sneakers can still kill people at great personal risk, but bow users can't hang back from kilometers away to one shot their targets anymore.

Varicite

Spangla wrote: »

It cant kill people before they can react - unless they are on a horse durp

http://s18.postimg.org/p99ahug6x/willkill.png

How much health do you have?

Probably not more than an Emperor, I imagine. He went down in less than 1 second.

Try again?

PS) He wasn't even on a horse.

Spangla

Agree with the last paragraph - however disagree with the first, if your geared strangely then of course a top bow user can kill you quick but if your geared to the same level as the attacker then they can't in my experience.

Varicite

Spangla wrote: »

Agree with the last paragraph - however disagree with the first, if your geared strangely then of course a top bow user can kill you quick but if your geared to the same level as the attacker then they can't in my experience.

In your experience, perhaps.

But in the game, it can and does happen frequently enough. It can be easily replicated if you know how to set it up.

Seriously though, your answer to a 4.5k damage stealth opener killing a current Emperor in less than 1 second is "he was geared wrong"?

...really?

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Zsymon wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

It cant kill people before they can react - unless they are on a horse durp

Yes it can, and it does all the time.. otherwise they wouldn't be nerfing stealth damage.

And this is from 28m range for Stendarr's sake.. if they were doing it from melee range then I could maybe understand these complaints. Imo bow attacks should not get a stealth bonus at all, just like staves don't get one.

Maybe a better solution would be to leave stealth as it is, but remove the bow stealth damage. That way melee sneakers can still kill people at great personal risk, but bow users can't hang back from kilometers away to one shot their targets anymore.

More like ~43m range. 50 for snipe.

Yusuf

Since you're Bow/ Dualwield, how about trying some dual-wielding for a change huh?:)

jelliedsoup

Zos have continually dropped the ball with stam/stealth types builds. For those who say "adapt", have you considered that some don't want to play this game if they have to use magicka skills? Just putting it out there for something to epxand your mind a little.

To be honest I'm annoyed at myself for playing this game for 6 months, hell it never looked like getting better. This nerf clearly demonstrates Zos' intention.

I like weapons, and due to this I'm out, I will not be investing.