A returning player wants to know the current situation of DKs and Sorcs

chongguang

Like the topic indicated that i would like to know the current situation about dragon knights, especially in PVP aspect. Is this class still good? I have heard rumors that DKs currently is the worst 1v1 classes compare to the other 3, is it really true?
I also have a sorcerer, so as returning player, Which one would you suggest me to choose ?
Thanks so much for who tells me the truth~~

Tankqull

both are in the right hands overpowered compared to templars and especially nightblades.
the changes to harness magica have hurt sorcs(dmg reduction) templars(magica refill) the most wich makes DKs shine even more... even though it as quite a nice buff to nb.

Armitas

I wouldn't use 1v1 results to base your character choice. In 1v1's people run finely tuned and specific builds based on their opponent. Outside of 1v1s you will find more success with broadly applicable builds because you will have to deal with a highly diverse enemy under highly diverse circumstances.

For example a DK in a 1v1 circle who is knowingly about to 1v1 a melee will not slot reflect however outside the 1v1 circle he will slot it knowing that his next enemy could be anything.

curlyqloub14_ESO

DK and Sorc are still the most popular and most powerful classes in general - with the right builds. Whatever rumor you heard that DK is the worst of all four is laughable, and definitely false.

Francescolg

Dk and NB are the most played classes, not sorc!

Erock25

Tankqull wrote: »

both are in the right hands overpowered compared to templars and especially nightblades.
the changes to harness magica have hurt sorcs(dmg reduction) templars(magica refill) the most wich makes DKs shine even more... even though it as quite a nice buff to nb.

Have you not been watching all the 1vX NB videos popping up lately? This silly misconception that NB are at a disadvantage needs to be put to rest, seriously.

chongguang

Erock25 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

both are in the right hands overpowered compared to templars and especially nightblades.
the changes to harness magica have hurt sorcs(dmg reduction) templars(magica refill) the most wich makes DKs shine even more... even though it as quite a nice buff to nb.

Have you not been watching all the 1vX NB videos popping up lately? This silly misconception that NB are at a disadvantage needs to be put to rest, seriously.

I watched this one. It is normal that each class will have few elite players whose skills are really superior than others. However this could not tell us everything as most of players can not get the same result as elite players.

WraithAzraiel

Still OP as hell.

david.haypreub18_ESO

DKs are still the strongest class in the game. The only people that don't seem to realize this are the designers and some DK players. Whoever told you that they are the weakest was pulling your leg.

Sorcs are very good, and with Bolt Escape, very hard to kill.

Templars are still at the bottom of the barrel. They are the best healers and decent at tanking, but have the worst magicka management and worst ultimates in the game. There is no sign that ZOS has any fixes for this on the horizon.

Chesimac

Eso has done a remarkable job of balancing the classes, conversely to what some people think. It really depends on your play style. IMO having rolled a sorc and dk personally it was easier to do well with a dk if that's what you're looking for.

Jacques Berge

Hahaha all of those stupid 1vX videos are guys exploiting shield stacking, block casting, and are fighting idiots. I'm not saying the guys arent quality players, but they're running builds designed for surviving groups. Skills like power extraction and bat swarm get better with more targets. I'd like to see the build go 1v1 agaisnt a dueling build.

Cody

the DK is the OP class right now. I don't mean to be rude, but I don't know where you heard that "DK is worst 1v1" crap from.

sorcerers also can utilize harness magica to keep up damage shields almost indefinitely, or they could, think ZOS put a stop to ict. if they have not, they are going to.


ignore all these 1vX vids you see with krim and everyone else that is not a DK, Dks are still the most powerful class in the game.

Vizier

Still OP. Some things are better for Stam builds but still DK's and Sorcs rule the field.

Khivas_Carrick

Chesimac wrote: »

Eso has done a remarkable job of balancing the classes, conversely to what some people think. It really depends on your play style. IMO having rolled a sorc and dk personally it was easier to do well with a dk if that's what you're looking for.

Play a Templar and a Nightblade, and then say that again.

I dare you.

Erock25

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Hahaha all of those stupid 1vX videos are guys exploiting shield stacking, block casting, and are fighting idiots. I'm not saying the guys arent quality players, but they're running builds designed for surviving groups. Skills like power extraction and bat swarm get better with more targets. I'd like to see the build go 1v1 agaisnt a dueling build.

They frequently don't shield stack, especially the NBs. Block casting is too common to even consider it anything near an exploit. A certain person in particular only shows fighting morons, but many others are showing them 1vX against decent teams. Yes they are running group oriented builds but some of the people making videos are also the best duelers as well, even NBs. Is changing your build up an exploit now too?

Crescent

NB and DK are the dominant classes. For trials both of those two are preferred with a templar healer.

For PvP DK is god but if you want a burst class, NB will be best. Especially with the buff to Snipe in 1.5

Sorcerer is great if you can get your hands on an extraordinarily expensive warlock set bonus and chug magicka pots like no other.

Jacques Berge

Erock25 wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Hahaha all of those stupid 1vX videos are guys exploiting shield stacking, block casting, and are fighting idiots. I'm not saying the guys arent quality players, but they're running builds designed for surviving groups. Skills like power extraction and bat swarm get better with more targets. I'd like to see the build go 1v1 agaisnt a dueling build.

They frequently don't shield stack, especially the NBs. Block casting is too common to even consider it anything near an exploit. A certain person in particular only shows fighting morons, but many others are showing them 1vX against decent teams. Yes they are running group oriented builds but some of the people making videos are also the best duelers as well, even NBs. Is changing your build up an exploit now too?

You know, I'll remove my particular issues with pvp... Shield stacking and block casting are both mechanics that I think are faulty, would like to see changed, and am inlikely to be convinced otherwise, so let's agree to disagree.

Not sure if the video comment is a snipe at me, if so, I don't care, I post those on NB forums so people can see that rolling NB isn't a pvp death sentence. If it is not, I apologize for the misinterpretation. I'll argue for all the groups they've killed they've been rocked 5 times as much. Regardless, even 1 1vX is something to post, regardless of who you fight.

And I said, I'm sure they're quality players. I adjust my build for different opponents. Adaptability is the hallmark of a good fighter. I'm just saying those builds aren't a 1 stop shop for melting everyone's face.

Xsorus

Show video of DK shield stacking and block casting "OMG DK's are OPED!!!! NERF PLEZ!!"

Show video of Nb doing same thing "That means nothing..they're just shield stacking and block casting"

I've said it before..Nb's won't be happy until they win every 1v1 fight automatically...Because that's how stealthers generally think in every game...They're the "assassin" therefor they should win automatically.

Jacques Berge

Not me!!! I don't think any class should be able to 1vX... Also, I think all classes should be able to1v1 effectively. Last time I got beat I thought, man, i should have adjusted my strategy and not taken my opponent so lightly.

Chesimac

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

Eso has done a remarkable job of balancing the classes, conversely to what some people think. It really depends on your play style. IMO having rolled a sorc and dk personally it was easier to do well with a dk if that's what you're looking for.

Play a Templar and a Nightblade, and then say that again.

I dare you.

In case you didn't see my signature, my main is a nightblade... and I can take down most dks fine. I admit the dk is the easiest class to do well as and that dk emps are pretty much unbeatable but to say dk is the op class by more than a slim margin is a little unfair.

Francescolg

Chesimac wrote: »

to say dk is the op class by more than a slim margin is a little unfair.

You do not see the HUGE advantage of having a CC that does NOT trigger CC-immunity, beeing infinetely recastable. I will not explain further but that "design" is quite seldom in all major MMOs of the last 13 years... Even in Daoc CC was changed, because the devs were much more intelligent and understood that certain CCs, or CCs in general, shouldn't be recastable in terms of FAIRNESS..

Khivas_Carrick

^ Yea, wouldn't call the lead you guys have a "Slim Margin".

david.haypreub18_ESO

The fact that even those arguing against the DK being OP'ed admit that it is slightly OPed should tell you all you need to know about the current class balance.

Asgari

DK are still number one followed by all three others in close second tie.

Chesimac

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DK are still number one followed by all three others in close second tie.

Exactly what I mean. The dk is ahead of the other classes by a small margin, nothing that can't be fixed with a small nerf on talons (make more expensive each cast, 0.5 second cast time/ cooldown, whatever) and scale (even more resources needed to cast, 3.5 second duration,etc) to make classes deemed equal. Fixing shadow cloak or making nova have a more realistic ultimate cost would also appeal to many of us

Bipolo

Seducer, Warlock set 7/7 Light Armor OFFENSIVE Templar with:

> Blazing Spear (great Ulti regen with Burning Light proc, good CC and it drains Stamina fast on blocking targets)
> Blazing Shield (can kill melee by pretty much using this ability alone, if not it is still the best dmg shield ingame)
> Harness Magicka (use it after Blazing Shield, 'nough said, until nerf)
> Puncturing Sweep (if your Blazing Spear didn't drain your targets stamina, you will by spamming this and it also keeps them stun locked once they run out of stamina, lol)
> Heal of choice

It seems people forget how effective Templar's are in PvP, thought i would just remind everyone...

EDIT: Don't worry if you need a better ultimate, just roll Vampire and you get access to one good Ultimate with two GREAT Morphs /troll

chongguang

Chesimac wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DK are still number one followed by all three others in close second tie.

Exactly what I mean. The dk is ahead of the other classes by a small margin, nothing that can't be fixed with a small nerf on talons (make more expensive each cast, 0.5 second cast time/ cooldown, whatever) and scale (even more resources needed to cast, 3.5 second duration,etc) to make classes deemed equal. Fixing shadow cloak or making nova have a more realistic ultimate cost would also appeal to many of us

You have told us many OP points of DKs, however you also said that most of DKs are taken down easily by your NB. So, I am little confused with your words.

Yusuf

Francescolg wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

to say dk is the op class by more than a slim margin is a little unfair.

You do not see the HUGE advantage of having a CC that does NOT trigger CC-immunity, beeing infinetely recastable. I will not explain further but that "design" is quite seldom in all major MMOs of the last 13 years... Even in Daoc CC was changed, because the devs were much more intelligent and understood that certain CCs, or CCs in general, shouldn't be recastable in terms of FAIRNESS..

Are people really having issues with talons still?-.-
Though i agree that templars and nbs should have a similar skill, sorcs already do.

Brasseurfb16_ESO

Yusuf wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

to say dk is the op class by more than a slim margin is a little unfair.

You do not see the HUGE advantage of having a CC that does NOT trigger CC-immunity, beeing infinetely recastable. I will not explain further but that "design" is quite seldom in all major MMOs of the last 13 years... Even in Daoc CC was changed, because the devs were much more intelligent and understood that certain CCs, or CCs in general, shouldn't be recastable in terms of FAIRNESS..

Are people really having issues with talons still?-.-
Though i agree that templars and nbs should have a similar skill, sorcs already do.

Yeah I don't understand it either, I never stay more than 0,5sec in DKs talons. I just dodge roll away, use my Shadow Cloak and of I go.

Not to mention, the radius from Talon and its damage already got heavely nerfed, it would be stupid to nerf that skill even further when you got skills like Bombards which have a much longer range and can also root groups of ennemies in places much more reliably.

Chesimac

chongguang wrote: »

You have told us many OP points of DKs, however you also said that most of DKs are taken down easily by your NB. So, I am little confused with your words.

Lol. First of all 2 minor changes isn't "a lot of op points" and I said I could take down most dks fine, not to imply they are easy to take down in comparison to other classes like what you are implying.

david.haypreub18_ESO

Chesimac wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DK are still number one followed by all three others in close second tie.

Exactly what I mean. The dk is ahead of the other classes by a small margin, nothing that can't be fixed with a small nerf on talons (make more expensive each cast, 0.5 second cast time/ cooldown, whatever) and scale (even more resources needed to cast, 3.5 second duration,etc) to make classes deemed equal. Fixing shadow cloak or making nova have a more realistic ultimate cost would also appeal to many of us

I agree the margin is not that great. If they just made the game treat Talons and all other roots as CC, and buffed Templars' Ultimates, I would probably be ok with everything.

As it stands, yes, you can dodge roll out of the Talons... but then you've blown a lot of stamina and are facing an Invasion and another Talons... dodge that one, another Invasion and Talons is coming. You will run out of stamina before they do, and then the game is over. It really is to me all due to the fact that roots aren't considered 'hard' CC: an odd design decision that actually makes soft CC better/harder to avoid than hard CC. And yet, the Templars Eclipse is still considered CC... it all makes no sense.