Solving DK Problem!

Maulkin

Mendoze wrote: »

I hate these nerf threads, but I'd sure like to see some buffs for ranged classes to have a chance against DKs. I don't know what devs should do to fix that, but luckily I don't have to. They are getting paid for that, not me. How about dirt cheap shield that can be up 100% that reflects all fire damage back to attacker?

First off, let's cut through the BS, there's only 1 fully ranged class and that's a Sorc. So you're saying that Sorcs don't have a chance against DKs? If you feel that way then, no offence but, you're doing it wrong.

If you don't believe me, come and see duels, I've offered you once before. Come and learn from NBs and Sorcs who kill DKs every evening instead of closing your eyes and ears to facts and repeating the same mantra.

And before you throw the "people set up differently for duels" card, some of the Sorcs refuse to change builds and slot stuff like encase or daedric mines or S&B that they wouldn't use on normal AvA combat. Yet they still blitz DKs by the using the normal means: Curse, Frags, Fury and Streak.

If you're interested in learning, instead of complaining, pm me and I'll take care of the rest.

Mondo

The Problem is not that i cant kill DKs. I can kill DKs but its compared to all other classes a really hard birth. They do to much dmg compared to their tankyness and they got the most-best/useful skills. I dont think it should be the way that a single DK kills 8-10 People at the same time while all DPS on him NO class should be THAT tanky

Bashev

Mondo wrote: »

DK kills 8-10 People at the same time while all DPS on him NO class should be THAT tanky

If DK can tank 8-10 ppl then he/she will luck of dps and the only way to kill is if he/she is a vamp (because of OP ulitmate) or Emp or play against total noobs who stay in the banner for 18 seconds.

Niebla

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If DK can tank 8-10 ppl then he/she will luck of dps and the only way to kill is if he/she is a vamp (because of OP ulitmate) or Emp or play against total noobs who stay in the banner for 18 seconds.

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Totally agree. BTW, all classes can tank pugs if built for it. I see it every night. I can do it with my s&b NB vs non organised groups and there is not a lot of skill involved.

Mondo

A NB can not tank and KILL as much as DK ^^

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

They just need to change the game system so that while you block none of your abilities can do any damage at all. The DK simply can get more out of this silly game design than any other class in the game. It would also solve bat swarms.

Mondo

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

They just need to change the game system so that while you block none of your abilities can do any damage at all. The DK simply can get more out of this silly game design than any other class in the game. It would also solve bat swarms.

Exactly that is a really good point. Thank you for this

Maulkin

Mondo wrote: »

A NB can not tank and KILL as much as DK ^^

Completely wrong statement. Seen it repeatedly done.

Maulkin

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

They just need to change the game system so that while you block none of your abilities can do any damage at all. The DK simply can get more out of this silly game design than any other class in the game. It would also solve bat swarms.

That would destroy tanks at all levels whether PvE or PvP. They would just hold block all the time doing nothing else and the game would be dull for them. A more balance idea would be that when you use an offensive ability your shield is automatically lowered for say 0.5 of a sec or sth. That way you'll hold block but have to time your strikes between opponents strikes, so it';ll become more reaction based than the current system

There needs to of course be balance between attacking and defending. ZOS have already said they're looking at it.

TehMagnus

Bashev wrote: »

Mondo wrote: »

DK kills 8-10 People at the same time while all DPS on him NO class should be THAT tanky

If DK can tank 8-10 ppl then he/she will luck of dps and the only way to kill is if he/she is a vamp (because of OP ulitmate) or Emp or play against total noobs who stay in the banner for 18 seconds.

So enjoyable when pulling an invasion in a group of casters + banner + talons and watching them try to heal without moving out xD

clayandaudrey_ESO

Mondo wrote: »

The Problem is not that i cant kill DKs. I can kill DKs but its compared to all other classes a really hard birth. They do to much dmg compared to their tankyness and they got the most-best/useful skills. I dont think it should be the way that a single DK kills 8-10 People at the same time while all DPS on him NO class should be THAT tanky

So you are saying that you can kill the other classes easily but not dk's so that means they are too powerful. So all you really want is to be able to roflstomp everyone and then you will satisfied? Makes tons of sense to me.

MiyaTheUnbroken

Just because DKs can die doesn't mean they aren't OP. This isn't just about PvP. Compare a DKs run through quests to any other class of the same level and you will see a large discrepancy, even if they are both played by the same person.

TehMagnus

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Just because DKs can die doesn't mean they aren't OP. This isn't just about PvP. Compare a DKs run through quests to any other class of the same level and you will see a large discrepancy, even if they are both played by the same person.

Quests? Just equip a destro staf with ANY class and use Elemental Ring while putting all your attribute points to magicka and it's GG. Don't need a DK to steamroll through solo content xD

Maulkin

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Just because DKs can die doesn't mean they aren't OP. This isn't just about PvP. Compare a DKs run through quests to any other class of the same level and you will see a large discrepancy, even if they are both played by the same person.

I have a vr14 Sorc and a vr14 DK. I saw no difference if you know how to play the class.

Make some crit sets and then: Crit Surge+Impulse+Negate = win. It's that simple against almost any group of mobs.

I even had a 2H for the fun that can be had on boss fights with Crit Surge and Crit Rush. Streak through the boss, turn around, Crit Rush, repeat. Insta-heals and insta damage.

I was farming v5 public dungeons for mats when I was v1 and v10 public dungeons when I was a v6. That's how hard I found it.