Solving DK Problem!

Mondo

The DK Problem:

Hard to kill and nice high DMG!

Solving:
Do aggro system so DK dont make high dmg anymore but draw much more aggro.
So he can be the hard to kill tank without beeing the overpowered End of World Doombringer, big brother of Alduin, Boyfriend of Sithis


Thnak you

Stop QQ Dks please you know how it is

Mondo

Befor complaining what i mean:

They should be THE TANK or THE DD but not BOTH at the same time!

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

DKs are the best, it's part of the lore. Stated in books you find ingame. No way you will ever be as good as we are, I'm sorry.

SienneYviete

Thnak you too.

Gilvoth

the more you can tank, the less you should be able to damage deal.

the more damage you do, the less you should be able to tank.

dragonights have both high damage and high tank ability, totaly unfair to the other classes and creates imbalance and frustrated pvp players who fight the dragonights.

AnubisRe

They can be both and that should be that way. You want to take much of ESOs liberty in charbuilding away for only one class! How do you think that will not result in dk players crying out here?

With your argument i can say "Templars should be healers or tanks not both" or "Sorcs should be healer or dps, not both" and i'm sure templars and sorcs would cry out too if i was to propose it.

If you want to take the ability to build chars with dual purpose/multirole you have to take it from all classes which will result in much tighter role centered gameplay and less freedom and variety in build designs which is one of ESOs great advantages from my point of view.

Maulkin

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

the more you can tank, the less you should be able to damage deal.

the more damage you do, the less you should be able to tank.

dragonights have both high damage and high tank ability, totaly unfair to the other classes and creates imbalance and frustrated pvp players who fight the dragonights.

It sure creates a lot of QQ from people who don't know how to fight, that for sure. Especially NBs. It's very amusing to watch.

xMovingTarget

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

the more you can tank, the less you should be able to damage deal.

the more damage you do, the less you should be able to tank.

dragonights have both high damage and high tank ability, totaly unfair to the other classes and creates imbalance and frustrated pvp players who fight the dragonights.

It sure creates a lot of QQ from people who don't know how to fight, that for sure. Especially NBs. It's very amusing to watch.

Still, he makes very good points.

Tapio75

I guess someone got killed by DK couple too many times.. Again

No, i do not play pne. I had one at launch but it was boring so i decided to go other direction. I have no problem with them being powerful and hard to kill, i love that there is something else in PVP than just balance. I especially love classes that need team effort to kill.

My advice, if you are alone and see DK coming at you, run! If you still die, learn to run better or team up with others

Maulkin

xMovingTarget wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

the more you can tank, the less you should be able to damage deal.

the more damage you do, the less you should be able to tank.

dragonights have both high damage and high tank ability, totaly unfair to the other classes and creates imbalance and frustrated pvp players who fight the dragonights.

It sure creates a lot of QQ from people who don't know how to fight, that for sure. Especially NBs. It's very amusing to watch.

Still, he makes very good points.

Not really. NBs can reach a similar level of tankiness & DPS with the right setup. There are plenty of people who do it and a few have even posted videos on this site.

It's just the typical sob story from people who are sticking to a build and they want that build to be effective against everything. They see only the disadvantage of their build not the advantages.

The scenario 90% of the time involves a DW/Bow NB moaning about getting owned on 1v1 combats. All the while completely ignoring the fact his build is set up for burst damage (which he can do ridiculously well btw) and evasion not for 1v1 out of stealth fighting.

ItsMeToo

DKs leaping up on Keep walls need to be stopped. Plus being able to leap from the Keep walls to the Keep.

What good are walls if DKs can leap over them?

If DKs can do this, then Vamps should be able to do this too. Plus... where are my wings?

I want to be Batman/Batgirl.

Mondo

Sorry DK defenders but DK is far to strong atm und really deserves a nerf.

Sorc is powerful heal and DPS but not hard to kill. Temp as DD is lame. NB yes na dont talk about NB.

DK is a Deadric God in this game

Maulkin

Mondo wrote: »

Sorry DK defenders but DK is far to strong atm und really deserves a nerf.

Sorc is powerful heal and DPS but not hard to kill. Temp as DD is lame. NB yes na dont talk about NB.

DK is a Deadric God in this game

It's ok, you can go learn your class or you can come here and make jokes about Daedric gods. You've obviously chosen the latter.

I actually prefer that, the less skilled players we have the better

TehMagnus

Solution #2:

L2P

Mondo

How about im good with my class and DK is just really overpowered. Yes this hurts you are afraid to get nerfed and get your Godmode away ^^

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Maulkin

Mondo wrote: »

How about im good with my class and DK is just really overpowered. Yes this hurts you are afraid to get nerfed and get your Godmode away ^^

I play equally a DK and a Sorc (both max level, same AvA rank of Captain). I'm also currently levelling a NB. Additionally I'm a member of a duelling club and keen theorycrafter, so I say things how I see them.

I have no class allegiance. If DK gets nerfed to the ground I'll play my Sorc more. If NB gets buffed to the OP level you guys are demanding I'll just play my NB more. When the inevitable nerfs hit, I'll just switch back to DK or Sorc accordingly.

I'm just telling you how things are. You can talk about Dragons and Daedric gods all you like buddy and just keep collecting LOLs, suits me fine

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Evandus

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

the more you can tank, the less you should be able to damage deal.

the more damage you do, the less you should be able to tank.

dragonights have both high damage and high tank ability, totaly unfair to the other classes and creates imbalance and frustrated pvp players who fight the dragonights.

So do Sorcerers, Templars, and Nightblades. Depending on relative build of course. But that really is the issue, build choices...

Mondo

Come on everybody knows DK is way to powerful, just to tell this isnt true is ridicules. Keep lying to yourself. Yes i keep collecting lols from all the QQing DKs ^^

TehMagnus

Have a DK, leveling up a sorc since they seem more fun/op to play in PVP when PLAYED RIGHT.

Guess you're just mad boy because all you do is ranged attacks and all a DK has to do is pop reflective scales to pwn you.

Just l2p mate. Explore other possibilities there are many many out there . Only noobs think this or that class is more OP than theirs.

Mondo

Dear magnus stop that L2P *** ^^ Dk is no fun to play i know but if right played and specced you are just an OP PVP Monster. You know that i know that why just bla bla bla l2p. DK need a nerf or should not be able to be tank and at the same time DPs like a freak.

Everybody is complaining bout DK not mage not temp not nb just DK

TehMagnus

Mondo wrote: »

Dear magnus stop that L2P *** ^^ Dk is no fun to play i know but if right played and specced you are just an OP PVP Monster. You know that i know that why just bla bla bla l2p. DK need a nerf or should not be able to be tank and at the same time DPs like a freak.

Everybody is complaining bout DK not mage not temp not nb just DK

DKs dont DPS like freaks, they kill you slower than a NB a sorc or a templar. Unstable flame + Molten wip isn't much DPS. The problem is other players wasting stamina and magicka and leaving themselves open in the process for a DK to CC them and then have time to do damage.

I'd tell you what DK's weak spots are but since you don't need L2P I guess I'll keep them to myself 8) just know that others out there with skill are killing DKs and having big laughs about it.

dharbert

<sigh>......

Yet another person who doesn't realize that this game isn't PvP only.

Any changes made to DK skills would negatively impact PvE gameplay.

Mondo

Yes yes ^^ keep reporting me for saying the truth and do what you want. DK is op ATM! Im really tired wasting money on this game seeing everday the same crap. Cyrodil crashes and Solo DKs killing Raids.

Im not the only one and this could be my last full month ^^

Mondo

@dharbert sigh if you would read my text you would know it would be good for PVE either

Muizer

Playing A DK myself, but I don't see these über DPS class abilities. Good defensive abilities, yes, but not DPS. Said it before. I suspect the über DK's people talk about combine the defensive abilities of DK with a DPS weapon/armour setup. Solution: shift DK defensive abilities to melee weapons and heavy armour. Everyone knows those are underpowered, so that solves 2 problems in one.

dharbert

Mondo wrote: »

@dharbert sigh if you would read my text you would know it would be good for PVE either

Well, fair is fair then. If you think DK's should only be able to tank OR deal damage, then Sorc's shouldn't have the ability to engage you then bolt off into the distance when the fight isn't going their way. You came to fight, so fight. Same goes for nightblades.

Mondo

Dear dharbert thats kind of their class abilitys and their mechanic. Do you really wanna say a DK should be a imba tank and a nice DD at the same time? I would like to have DK tank with doing less dmg building much more aggro and DD DK like sorc much DMG but killable

I kill NB TEMP Tanks and thats ok they are hard but ok. DK is just BÄM overkill. And everybody will tell it expect just a few DK defending theyr status on forums

dharbert

Mondo wrote: »

Dear dharbert thats kind of their class abilitys and their mechanic. Do you really wanna say a DK should be a imba tank and a nice DD at the same time? I would like to have DK tank with doing less dmg building much more aggro and DD DK like sorc much DMG but killable

I kill NB TEMP Tanks and thats ok they are hard but ok. DK is just BÄM overkill. And everybody will tell it expect just a few DK defending theyr status on forums

It's really simple......learn to play your class against more than just one type of player. Your cookie-cutter class isn't going to cut it against every player you encounter. DK's can be defeated, I play one and I get my butt handed to me in Cyrodiil on a regular basis.

Play as a DK sometime. I've been playing DK since the beginning and they are by no means indestructible. No matter what you think, if we are set up for tank, we deal less damage. If we are set up for damage, we can't tank as much.

Mondo

all DKs are saying is L2P

Yeah must be me ha ha ha aha

TehMagnus

Mondo wrote: »

all DKs are saying is L2P

Yeah must be me ha ha ha aha

It must be since you're the only one here posting about DKs needing a nerf. What class do you play? We will help you learn, no problem

Mondo

Every class ^^ damn im not the only one