What really crushes the PvP spirit (NA-DC Chrysamere)

ATOterrano14

It just disgusts to see that people with crappy intentions can walk into a campaign where the locals who are looking for a fair pvp campaign has intrusions from sorry guilds looking to farm emperor. I'm specifically calling out the guild EG on the DC side of Chrysamere who was harassing the the potential emperor for DC to drop from the campaign so they can take emperor-ship and leave. Seriously, there is absolutely no fun in that and is what killing pvp and people's interest in participating in pvp

Lava_Croft

Yes. It ruins any motivation to work for your faction, since you know you are only working for some cheapskate that wants to farm Emperor and then leave the campaign.

CaptainSilverbrow

I've said it elsewhere, but will here too; they also have "friends" on EP that are emperor farming alongside them. Not a zerg, just about five or ten, also in their own clique guild. They hole away on keeps under siege, healing one another endlessly, not participating. About two or three are top on EP's leader boards right now, and I observed instances of the DC zerg ignoring them. They also have guys busting down walls on some of the quieter keeps about five to ten points each to avoid flagging, so they can repair forever.

Chryos

I guess the only fix I see is to lock people in campaigns, because yeah nothing can get done, with other uber guilds coming in to interfere with with our home campaigns. I'm taking a break and maybe they will figure out a plan. If you pick a campaign, then that's the campaign you play on, people hopping campaigns to farm Emp, just ruins the whole concept and fun for us all.

Harbek

There are a number of us in EP who will actively fight against emperor farming in Chrysamere. We stuck it out through the entirety of the last campaign as the population rose and shrank and without any emperor farming / trading.

Send me a PM on the forum with farmers to watch out for and I'll quietly spread the word to other Chrysamere regulars who may not be in the know.

ArcanusMagus

Harbek wrote: »

There are a number of us in EP who will actively fight against emperor farming in Chrysamere. We stuck it out through the entirety of the last campaign as the population rose and shrank and without any emperor farming / trading.

Send me a PM on the forum with farmers to watch out for and I'll quietly spread the word to other Chrysamere regulars who may not be in the know.

^^^^^

Thanks, the ones of us on the forums can work to chase off these cheaters, to the extent that we can.

Tintinabula

unplayable bugs..hackable bugs..fps bugs..the list goes on..this game is nothing like alpha beta or pts.

thelg

Make transfers 200k+ disable guesting, then see if need to stop transfers completely. Never gona happen though, so farm will continue

TheDrunkenMagi

DC is just trying to counter tactics EP and AD are already doing. The DC on Chrysamere had nothing in that PvP campaign until that guild showed up to farm emperorships. The person they were trying to get to abdicate his throne piggybacked Alliance Points off the efforts of that guild so he could play as the emperor. The guild Did offer to leave him emperor when they left if he cooperated with them, but he refused.

[EDIT: Removed Guild/Personal names]

TheDrunkenMagi

So why does a person who refuses to cooperate with his team deserve to be an Emperor?
That person wasn't an original PvPer on Chrysamere. He followed a guild from Wabbajack to farm Emperorships then betrayed their intentions. They weren't harassing him to leave the campaign so they could take emperorship. They were informing him that if he didn't follow through with their original plan, then he would no longer get their support.

Harsh words were exchanged, but that guild had put in the free time and efforts of approximately 100 different people over 20 hours of gameplay (that's 2000 man-hours) just to be ruined by one guy being selfish. I was there, and considering that this IS the internet, in my opinion it was unbelievably tame.

[EDIT: Removed Guild/Personal names]

patttyp3

One idea, instead of worrying about people who change their servers, get your own group together and fight back. It is called PvP after all. Get enough people together to fight back or group with a larger group. It's no one guild's fault that any campaign can or cannot keep a population going.

CaptainSilverbrow

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

DC is just trying to counter tactics EP and AD are already doing. DC had nothing on that server before EG came to farm emperorships

Your guild, not DC et al are pioneering it on this server. DC had competitive fights and honest PvP on that server, their top player quit the game over a month ago and never abdicated, the Misfits and Rockfighters went back and forth week to week for fun and nothing more, that map was never just red for very long. AD have NO NUMBERS on that server, and the only EP "doing it" came here with you, last night. The natives have nothing to do with your practice.

The person they were trying to get to abdicate his throne piggybacked Alliance Points off the efforts of that guild so he could play as the emperor. EG Did offer to leave him emperor when they left if he cooperated wtih them, but he refused

None of you deserve anything but to be banned. He's stonewalling you, and rightfully so. Keep reporting him for playing properly and damning yourselves further. You have broskis on our side doing exactly what you're accusing him of doing. You have people hacking, exploiting, and harassing honest players in such a manner as to elevate the abuse to a legal matter. Pro-tip: all of the players your people are heckling and whispering are collecting screens. You came to the wrong server for this garbage.

TheDrunkenMagi

Sorry I guess no one informed the rest of the ESO player base that those 2 guilds had exclusive rights over the entire campaign. Probably should have had Zos lock it out for all the other players, then this never would've happened.
There is more going on in the ESO PvP world than just that campaign friend.

I'm pretty sure no one reported him, and if they did it should obviously be disregarded, because he was playing the game properly. No one said he wasn't, and I don't think personal wrongings are grounds for banning in this game.

Stop making this personal by attacking me here dude. Just because I'm defending them doesn't necessarily mean I have any affiliation with them, and if your going to accuse entire guilds of people with hacking, exploiting, and harassing you should have proof on every single one of them or it's meaningless.

What you probably consider harassment was probably just many individuals acting individually to try and convince one person on their own. Not a coordinated attack to socially, mentally, and emotionally assault another player. So stop being ridiculous.

Magister_Aena

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

DC is just trying to counter tactics EP and AD are already doing. The DC on Chrysamere had nothing in that PvP campaign until that guild showed up to farm emperorships. The person they were trying to get to abdicate his throne piggybacked Alliance Points off the efforts of that guild so he could play as the emperor. The guild Did offer to leave him emperor when they left if he cooperated with them, but he refused.

AD doesn't have enough numbers to do any of the tactics you mean. For the rest of your post; emperor farming is a very dishonest way to play, and I can say I will be in Chrysamere until the last of you are purged from my campaign.

TheDrunkenMagi

Magister_Aena wrote: »

AD doesn't have enough numbers to do any of the tactics you mean. For the rest of your post; emperor farming is a very dishonest way to play, and I can say I will be in Chrysamere until the last of you are purged from my campaign.

AGAIN. Not talking about just Chrysamere here. I know that's all you care about, but on the Wabbajack server there are at least 40-60 AD Former Emperors, some of which are not even VR12, who also sometimes receive a full set of home campaign buffs from campaigns that are not Wabbajack. I can fully assure you that there are campaigns where there is an AD presence that can farm emperorships.
Chrysamere players, of course, don't see any reason why that means other campaign players can come over and "ruin" their campaign. While other campaign players don't see any reason why they shouldn't when they can.

Your opinions about emperor farming are purely opinions and do not reflect the feelings of every player. While emperor farming might not be the intended way for players to acquire emperorship, it is available and many players find it morally acceptable and "honest."
Also it's not your campaign and there is nothing you can do to stop players from playing the game. Except complain here of course.

ALSO AGAIN. Please refrain from making personal and hostile remarks such as "you deserve to be banned" and "you are purged."
I recommend reading:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/60843/community-rules
Particularly the labels titled:
Bashing and Slanderous Comments
Names in Thread Titles
Naming-and-Shaming

With that said, I can assure you that most of the members of that guild that were there have left or are in the process of leaving.

ArcanusMagus

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

Magister_Aena wrote: »

AD doesn't have enough numbers to do any of the tactics you mean. For the rest of your post; emperor farming is a very dishonest way to play, and I can say I will be in Chrysamere until the last of you are purged from my campaign.

AGAIN. Not talking about just Chrysamere here. I know that's all you care about, but on the Wabbajack server there are at least 40-60 AD Former Emperors, some of which are not even VR12, who also sometimes receive a full set of home campaign buffs from campaigns that are not Wabbajack. I can fully assure you that there are campaigns where there is an AD presence that can farm emperorships.
Chrysamere players, of course, don't see any reason why that means other campaign players can come over and "ruin" their campaign. While other campaign players don't see any reason why they shouldn't when they can.

Of course, this thread is about Chrysamere so Wabbajack, or any other server, is completely irrelevant.

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

Your opinions about emperor farming are purely opinions and do not reflect the feelings of every player. While emperor farming might not be the intended way for players to acquire emperorship, it is available and many players find it morally acceptable and "honest."
Also it's not your campaign and there is nothing you can do to stop players from playing the game. Except complain here of course.

<snipped out some legalese stuff>

Yes, and everyone can be as dismissive of your opinions as you are of their opinions. The resort to the old Catch-22 ("We have the right to do anything you can't stop us from doing") is a perennial favorite. I love the scarequotes around honest, by the way. This is really great stuff.

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

With that said, I can assure you that most of the members of that guild that were there have left or are in the process of leaving.

Do you mean the individuals acting individually, or are you tacitly suggesting that there is such a thing as guilt "by association?"

Shaun98ca2

Well a few things that make me scratch my head....

1. Since PVP is sorta a big deal in this game FvFvF, why not lock accounts into a particular faction. I know this screws some people for rolling alts, but this can also make ZOS more money for those DIEHARDs that have to have an alt in another faction.

2. Turn off Guesting, and "reset" the emperor buff so that it only applies to current campaigns. Make it so having had emperor in the prior campaign means nothing but a title and the buff is for only after you are dethroned in the current campaign.

3. Supposedly you can whisper the other factions in PVP that needs to be turned off as well.


Just suggestions I feel can go a long way. Point #1 would probably remove MANY complaints about Veteran Rank just not in a preferred way lol.

CaptainSilverbrow

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

AGAIN. Not talking about just Chrysamere here. I know that's all you care about

Duh. Go back to Wabbajack.

but on the Wabbajack server...

Take it back over there then; we don't care, right?

there are at least 40-60 AD Former Emperors, some of which are not even VR12, who also sometimes receive a full set of home campaign buffs from campaigns that are not Wabbajack.

Duh, that's how campaign buffs work. That is, however, not how emperorship should work.

I can fully assure you that there are campaigns where there is an AD presence that can farm emperorships.

Duh. We had one such Golden Horde presence here before most of them were banned for exploiting the caltrops bug, others quit. We tend to adore the ones that hung around, I even tried to pal around with some AD fellows on other servers to get them to come to Chrysamere, boasting how clean our campaign was.

Chrysamere players, of course, don't see any reason why that means other campaign players can come over and "ruin" their campaign. While other campaign players don't see any reason why they shouldn't when they can.

Goalposts over here, mate. We loved fighting your zerg the other night, we loved pivoting between two keeps the whole night to keep you out of the circle, and we loved the compliments we were getting in private tells. The second your guys started showing up in our home base, camping our wayshrines, running off with our scrolls with our gates closed, and using hacks to noclip into a keep I'd personally secured and fly it back to their temple in something like three minutes, all bets were off. We aren't even opposing your guys right now, we're just watching your EP fellows duel blue zergs at keep gates.

Your opinions about emperor farming are purely opinions and do not reflect the feelings of every player.

And your opinions about how honorable it is are just that, opinions. We're still awaiting any empirical statement to render the practice either illegal or officially acceptable. However, to our credit, us anti-emp' farming guys don't resort to breaking into the game's code with Cheat Engine as a means to an end.

While emperor farming might not be the intended way for players to acquire emperorship, it is available and many players find it morally acceptable and "honest."

Okay, so to our credit, you also partly agree with our position. That's our only real opinion against the practice. Cheating and exploiting are, of course, officially against the rules.

so it's not your campaign and there is nothing you can do to stop players from playing the game. Except complain here of course.

Likewise. We're also not helping your red caps get Emperor.

AND AGAIN, Please refrain from making personal and hostile remarks such as "you deserve to be banned" and "you are purged."

Stop being soft, nobody's violating any rules here except with you guys in-game. Report it and take it up with enforcement if you've been brought to tears at your keyboard by posts that don't even constitute family values-tier trash talk in terms of contumely verbiage. And besides, it doesn't half compare to what your "individual" guildmates and fellow recent migrants have disseminated amongst our guys in tells (not even including other DC fellows not playing your ballgame). We get it, these players are not you necessarily.

In response to your former post, you have chosen to represent them, including the exploiters and hackers, yourself. You can bet you're going to draw ire. It doesn't help you don't know how forum rules work and are essentially at this point just blindly copying and pasting whatever seems the most harrowing. If you can't handle that cross, it might be time to stop engaging us about this. Our singular crux in all this is that your guys are blatantly cheating, employing exploits that were announced as bannable just days ago; yours is that this practice is in a general grey area as of yet. We couldn't care less about your emperor farming zerg, if that were the sole substance of your guys' operation. We can't stand exploiting and cheating, though, let alone you having guys on our side colluding with you, like that guy that picked up the scroll and ran it back to your group.

I recommend reading:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/60843/community-rules
Particularly the labels titled:
Bashing and Slanderous Comments
Names in Thread Titles
Naming-and-Shaming

"Naming-and-Shaming"? "Names in thread titles"? Seriously? Come on now, that's just top tier cognitive dissonance; you have absolutely no idea how any of those rules are even enforced, let alone their applicability here (pro-tip, it's nil). This happens every time you guys are called out, you're desperate, desperate to accuse anyone of doing absolutely anything wrong themselves, even if it isn't remotely applicable. It's a tell-tale symptom of desperation. Like holding a smoking gun over a warm body, while screaming bloody murder at the guy that just spat on the pavement.

Aoneldar

Well, I have been off the forums and avoided all this drama but the time has come for this is now interfering with MINE and MY GUILD'S enjoyment, along with the new DC guild (which name escapes me) who want to play in PvP as intended. So I'm going to take my time to spell things out and enlighten the rest of the ESO community.

There were no tactics used by ROCKFIGHTERS and if anyone wants to say different please take the time to do your research. We had six weeks of the campaign where DC were farming us at our gates. Instead of crying and complaining. I took the time at level 14 to help create a solid PvP guild who wanted to turn the map into the Red Sea it was meant to be (yes I favor Red because I am in EP. Everyone else should have the same pride in their pact) With time and hard work, we managed to turn it into a fun event. I can not openly say all AD (before a lot of got banned or left due to exploits and other reasons) and DC played fair nor did all of them cheat, it was more a handful that were not playing as intented. We dealt with endless non-kill-able mages which also if placed did not remove them from inventory, caltrops, varied cheat engines and other things which did in turn ruin the amount of fun of the game for us, but we endured that and were still able to take and hold the ring multiple times. So if you wish to say anything about how EP played, which 90% of the players are MY guild members, please inquire me because the false rumors and hear-say of how we did things can quickly be resolved. I will not have others who have not been in the server and endured 90-days of pure hard work tranish ROCKFIGHTERS or anyone who is actually trying to PvP as intended say otherwise (That goes for the DC and AD who were trying to play far and the way it was intended. Also I would like to thank those who did, you truly made PvP fun)

We are not saying it is our server and telling you how to play; But I am saying that it is OUR server in terms of ruling over the color of the map. It is called the EMPEROR for a reason. I am not sure how much you guys know about history but an EMPIRE is when ONE rules over the many. I can not recall a time when an EMPEROR said "You know what, I should GIVE my EMPIRE to my enemy" That is what an empire is, to show you are the best and the title and stat line that goes with it is an achievement of how well you have done to make that statement. If you look there wasn't a person in the last campaign who was in the top 25 on EP that "Left to give someone else emperor" other than Crimson and he quit the game completely and was kind enough to leave the campaign before he quit and Maris, thanks him for that even though we would have passed him score wise unlike the person who quit on DC and did not. ROCKFIGHTERS crowned Maris three times in the last five weeks. Now, last I checked if we were trading emperors, like you say TheDrunkemagi, he wouldn't have been emperor more than once. Also just because a large number of others were not playing PvP as intended on your server doesn't mean that everyone else in the game is doing the same. Just because your friend tells you everyone else is doing drugs, does not make it a true statement.

As for your statement on AD doing it, what AD? There are seven total people on the leader boards and last campaign **** got banned and the rest either did or left and were not even a force.

I will also like to point out that just because the game was not as enjoyable for you on your home campaign because people were not playing the way it was meant to be does not make it right and it truly sucks for anyone who has to put up with the cheats, exploits and other anti-entertaining play styles does not make it right to declare it a truth.

Currently I can tell you this, the top five and especially the top player on EP in Chrysamere will not be helped nor will they get emperor with ROCKFIGHTERS help and since you pointed out, we are the main force on Chryamere for EP you can make a pretty safe bet unless they go out of their way to guest others in to help him, EP will not have an emperor anytime soon. If you think that after all the other things we had to put up with that we will roll over and give someone who is using the poor game development to better themselves, you are grossly mistaken and probably should stop entertaining any such thought. I, nor any other self respecting EP member,will not help someone who is actively working with DC who is guesting in just to give him points. Any of you you who wish to know what I mean and do not, I'll go ahead and lay it out as some of the things we have seen in last than 18-hours:

Cheat Engines that let you take and move scrolls from keeps, without knocking down any walls nor having to run the scroll back

Frame rates dropping from 60 to 0 (And if you say build a better PC I will counter with there are some very powerful top end machines that were having the issues)

Knocking down walls just so they can repair them to gain AP quickly

Currently going on, setting up FCs and letting the EP who is trying to obtain emperor and his crew farm them for AP

Certain players that are not able to be targeted or your ability bar just stops working until you move to someone who is not running a cheat engine

And players being underground, I believe this is a decent number of the things we have seen in the last 18-hours, if I missed anything please let me know.

Also do not say all DC on our server are for this. As of yesterday, when the servers reset we had another DC guild move into our server and Misfits pretty much left. A few of us have been actively talking to them and they were the first to let us know they were playing unfair. They came to our server because we made a name for ourselves as a very challenging group of skilled players who crash people in PvP. They came to the server to test us for the next 90 days and wanted to do so as it was meant to be played. Sadly for both them and us, this is not happening and may not for some time. At this point the most active PvPers, who were in the top 10 on EP (Last Campaign) will not be PvPing until it is resolved.

I would also like to point out as this time that we were actively talking about finding an AD guild to make the server more enjoyable and the way it was intended to be because the way it was meant to be is the way we want to play.

I think I addressed everything in this thread and if I missed something please feel free to ask. I am Co-Leader of ROCKFIGHTERS, we fight rocks, and we have a very clean and honorable reputation and I would like to keep it that way. I would even go as far to say that a few, who may or may not like me, can say that we are fair and have not used any of the exploits or glitches in the game (Even though they tried to get us to do so, call it pride, comes with being a ROCKFIGHTER) to gain our ground, and honestly I would rather have the hand full or so that were on DC back in the campaign than what is currently going on. If you find that we, or anyone else, are not being "Fair" by playing the game it was intended then please go find another game.

So to sum it up I will give you some sound advice my grandpa once gave me, the smartest person at the table is the person who says nothing, meaning if you do not wish for people to know how ignorant or little you know, do not give them a reason because someone who does know will take the time to point it out so everyone knows.

I am a ROCKFIGHTER, I will fight everything because to a ROCKFIGHTER, there isn't a thing harder to fight than rocks, including internet propaganda.

Rylana

I played on Chrysamere as a guest a couple times, I was literally the only player over vr8 on AD side, most of them are VR2 or lower, and theres like what 5 total AD on the entire campaign?

Pretty sure you cant blame AD for anything, just saying.

Engelin

Make it so that former emperor passives only work on the campaign you were emperor... problem solved

TheDrunkenMagi

CaptainSilverbrow wrote: »

employing exploits that were announced as bannable just days ago

What exploits? Can you give me a source on the announcement?

As for the rest of what was said by you and Aoneldar. It is either so blatantly wrong, pointless to state, Off-topic, already argued, or biased that I stopped reading and choose not to respond. I've already answered the original post's comment.

Most of what you consider cheating is probably confusion from lag. My guild does not tolerate cheating and go out of our way to hunt it out of the ranks of DC. We report all exploits to Zenimax, whether we choose to benefit off them or not, for the betterment of the game. So please stop slandering my guild's name, which by the rules I mentioned you should not have been using anyways.

Venithar

Aoneldar wrote: »

Cheat Engines that let you take and move scrolls from keeps, without knocking down any walls nor having to run the scroll back

This is a bug and not a cheat. It's happened plenty of times in the past. EP used to get scrolls from DC all the time because of this, and in the last 2 weeks of the campaign AD only had their scrolls because of it.

Aoneldar wrote: »

And players being underground, I believe this is a decent number of the things we have seen in the last 18-hours, if I missed anything please let me know.

There is a bug that makes keeps/walls invis to a player, that player can walk around under the keeps.

Aoneldar wrote: »

They came to our server because we made a name for ourselves as a very challenging group of skilled players who crash people in PvP.

Skilled meaning you can only take keeps when you either have a 3-1 advantage or when no one is online.


With those few points corrected, the only guild that actively sought a fight on EPs side, when they didn't have overwhelming numbers, was whichever guild Arcanus Magus runs.


P.S. Misfits left because there was no competition on Chrysamere.

ATOterrano14

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

So why does a person who refuses to cooperate with his team deserve to be an Emperor?
That person wasn't an original PvPer on Chrysamere. He followed a guild from Wabbajack to farm Emperorships... They weren't harassing him to leave the campaign so they could take emperorship. They were informing him that if he didn't follow through with their original plan, then he would no longer get their support.

False. The player leading the leader boards for emperorship that was being harrassed was not from Wabbajack, as he was a regular player from our previous campaign in Volen. As for their support, it was not needed. There were a very decent amount of honest players who were willing to help fight on DC in order to play PvP as it was intended.

ArconSeptim

IF I'm correct I think Zenimax mentioned somewhere that they will add some campaign modes where the campaigns will last for 30 days 7 days so every one eventually wil become emperor don't worry.

GeeYouWhy

Don't blame the players, blame the developers as Freakonomics are at work here. The incentive built into the game is to farm the emperor therefore players farm it. If the PvP system had been built to reward actually playing the game then that is what players would do.

CaptainSilverbrow

Venithar wrote: »

This is a bug and not a cheat. It's happened plenty of times in the past. EP used to get scrolls from DC all the time because of this, and in the last 2 weeks of the campaign AD only had their scrolls because of it.

We never retook AD's scrolls. There's a reason for that, m8. No, we never used any exploit to take the scrolls, I helped run those back many, many times. Funny that this is coming from the guy with 100-something mercs in his bag back when the mercs exploit was a thing, and who doesn't even know how the oil pot exploit works. We don't like exploits; that mage merc' exploit alone was a major craw in our side because all we could do was get some guys to kite them away from their points of spawn (without dying) so they dropped aggro and were targetable.

There is a bug that makes keeps/walls invis to a player, that player can walk around under the keeps.

This isn't what's happening, bud. I've had that bug once before. One guy fled fights by phasing into the ground, not through keep floors; when you have that bug, you just appear to be running around through the floor to other players. The other night, I had the scroll secured at Farragut, and a couple minutes later, it materialized back at their temple. Granted, Cheat Engine could possibly be used to "inform" the server that the scroll was back at their temple, so you may be right that there wasn't necessarily any noclipping or even speedhacking. Whatever it was, it also rendered us unable to interact with anything for some five minutes, followed thereafter by the server temporarily returning us to our login screens. One of us was at a keep that was being sieged by players he couldn't see, but it's possible they weren't rendering given the state his client was in before the server booted all of us; but he watched the walls come down, and when we logged back in, they were taking the keep (I think it was Alessia). It affected us and not them, same deal with the server lag.

It's like somebody illicitly flipped a lag switch on us, and the game client freaked out.

Skilled meaning you can only take keeps when you either have a 3-1 advantage or when no one is online.

See, there you go with that "DEYS HAS FIVE HUNDREDS GAIS YOU'S GUYS!" piece again, when we could never even top twenty players in our group at any time. You guested an entire guild into the campaign, which worked. Our eighteen guys had a hard time against your 40-ish. We only got the map back because they moved on. But remember, thanks to them, your team still won the campaign. 'Gratz.

the only guild that actively sought a fight on EPs side, when they didn't have overwhelming numbers, was whichever guild Arcanus Magus runs.

He doesn't have a comprehensive guild; he ran with us, and brought a couple guys (as in one or two) with him when we rendezvoused, and in many instances he'd take point on some objectives when we were split. It always surprised me he'd run with us rather than start a force of his own, because he's a really good organizer.

Zomgxorz. Shocker, revelation, catharsis. I don't even know if he's okay with me saying this.

P.S. Misfits left because there was no competition on Chrysamere.

It might be time to stop posting. You definitely don't speak for Misfits et al, neither here nor via in-game private tells, and the reality of the game we've been playing all this time seems to be such a mystery to you that you're resorting to outright subterfuge and embarrassing your guildmates.

EDIT:I'm slow, what do you mean AD used the home camp exploit to get their scrolls back?

in the last 2 weeks of the campaign AD only had their scrolls because of it

Because that's news to us.

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ATOterrano14 wrote: »

False. The player leading the leader boards for emperorship that was being harrassed was not from Wabbajack, as he was a regular player from our previous campaign in Volen. As for their support, it was not needed. There were a very decent amount of honest players who were willing to help fight on DC in order to play PvP as it was intended.

We were so stoked when you guys showed up (something like twenty-ish minutes before the sapphire horde). ;.; I never caught the name of your guy that topped the leaderboards, but he was a champ for not abdicating.

Jorj1388

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYXwSkba1_U how to become emperor ... (sarcasm)

Aoneldar

I am not going to argue about cheat engines Venithar and if they were used or not, we all know that people use and used them and I even have ESO looking into the issue because I had a few DC smart enough to openly whisper me to inform me they were, some are no longer a part of the game and I do understand some of that things listed do happen, but only a fool would blindly state people are not using them. BUT I will take the time to continue to educate anyone who wishes to continue TELLING us how we played and spreading the rumors.

We RARELY if maybe but a handful of times had that "3v1" as you stated. The fact you even have the nerve to say we outnumbered anyone clearly states that you are part of the problem on the forums, along with the rumors of our numbers. I may not have been actively on the forums until last night but I can tell you the rumors of us having a sizable force is a very nice complainant and even the DC who often guested on our server will even state that we never had near the numbers that have been statement via forums or in game. We normally have about 12-20 members on but we are glad to see that each one of us are equal to 3 of your guys. Just reinforces the fact we are a solid PvP guild, and we thank you. Also on the topic of night capping, we just played till we went to bed. Saying just EP did this is almost not even worth addressing but since MY guild is being targeted and rumors are being spread about I have to. Everyone has at one point done this, no matter the server nor faction, still more honest than things that are currently going on and have went on in the past. Besides if "Night Capping" is our worst offence, I'd blame it on the huge number of guests that were always on DC against our "Force of Triple" I can't even say there were ever 60+ EP active, let alone on at once. Blame hours of fighting unskilled zergs who outnumbered us. Also if we had a force of 3v1, why would even have to cap at night? The idea that we had that many numbers, why couldn't we just zerg the map like the rest of the unskilled players who use this tactic. We crush zergs because we don't and they don't know what to do when they come up against us.

O also I'm glad you added Arcanus into this Venithar because he may not completely agree with our general persona but he will not back up your statement on how we did things.

Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward.
Whoever cannot take care of themselves without that law is both.
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant,
'If I live, I will kill you. If I die, You are forgiven.'
Such is the rule of honour.

--This is the final statement I'll make on this cheating and how we played from you Venithar, we'll take care of this ourselves and the help of ESO but I will not let you continue to bad mouth ROCKFIGHTERS. If you have any other QUESTIONS let me know and please refrain from blind statements, slander and rumors if you would.

TheDrunkenMagi wrote: »

As for the rest of what was said by you and Aoneldar. It is either so blatantly wrong, pointless to state, Off-topic, already argued, or biased that I stopped reading and choose not to respond. I've already answered the original post's comment.

Now TheDrunkenMagi, I am not even sure how to address your statement. I'm not sure if you actually understand the point of my post. I was making a statement about MY GUILD and as a respected leader of ROCKFIGHTERS, I wanted to back MY members up and anyone else who is trying to enjoy the game. IF you take your time to fully read over the post, you will see it was mostly to clear up a lot of the rumors by any pact/player/member, not just my own. I even stated that not everyone was doing it. The fact you didn't take the time to finish reading tells us you shouldn't be even posting. If you can't even take the time to make sure you know what you are discussing you shouldn't be discussing it. That statement clearly shows me you are not a sensible leader in which I should bother wasting my time to resposed, let alone expect you to do as you say. As for the cheating thing, if you truly mean that then you shouldn't have to defend yourself or your guild as much as you have and currently are, ever seen a post saying ROCKFIGHTERS have cheated or exploited? Of course not, worst thing I have had to defend against on the forums so far:

1) "You guys night cap, QQ" Sleep less I got an empire to control, still more honorable than guest zergs to gain and we fought till they they logged. Get more players who hate sleep or themselves.

2) You have more three or more times our numbers. Really? Learn to use a leader board. But again, thanks, our normal group of 12 loves the fact DC and others believe we have dozens or hundreds, real ego boost.

One last thing Drunken, if using names on forums was against the rules, why would you be able to have it set to notify you when your name comes up. Do you go around in life using just pronouns for everyone? That is how you identify people, places and things. Grow up and maybe you won't have to be defending your guild so much.

Venithar

CaptainSilverbrow wrote: »

It might be time to stop posting. You definitely don't speak for Misfits et al, neither here nor via in-game private tells, and the reality of the game we've been playing all this time seems to be such a mystery to you that you're resorting to outright subterfuge and embarrassing your guildmates.

Wow, you really are clueless aren't you. Since I am the guild leader of Misfits, I think I speak for them, but then again, maybe I am just imagining that, just like I imagined you guys always capping keeps when we had far fewer people then you online.

18 people? I must be very bad at counting, but then you know, I guess everyone on DC the last 1 1/2 months was bad at counting. Then again, I suppose it doesn't matter how many people you field when you guest in AD (which is humorous since you couldn't even manage to guest in an EP guild until the last week)

Lastly, AD's scrolls reset to their scroll temples. They did not take them back. Mayhaps you should pay attention to things like that.

Oh, sorry, almost forgot, as far as the "oil pot exploit" goes, I have no idea, I don't actively look for things to exploit. Just as I never exploited mages, I bought them, placed them, watched them kill you when it was 15+ EP against 2-3 DC (or whenever peggymoe died because she said something about reporting me for using mages).

ArcanusMagus

Venithar wrote: »

CaptainSilverbrow wrote: »

It might be time to stop posting. You definitely don't speak for Misfits et al, neither here nor via in-game private tells, and the reality of the game we've been playing all this time seems to be such a mystery to you that you're resorting to outright subterfuge and embarrassing your guildmates.

Wow, you really are clueless aren't you. Since I am the guild leader of Misfits, I think I speak for them, but then again, maybe I am just imagining that, just like I imagined you guys always capping keeps when we had far fewer people then you online.

According to the most recent information I have, he is the leader of Misfits. Formerly it was Eros and I would not have suspected a change until I heard otherwise. This point must be conceded because it is true, insults aside.

Venithar wrote: »

18 people? I must be very bad at counting, but then you know, I guess everyone on DC the last 1 1/2 months was bad at counting. Then again, I suppose it doesn't matter how many people you field when you guest in AD (which is humorous since you couldn't even manage to guest in an EP guild until the last week)

18 would be a solid night for the Pact, especially for the last weeks of the campaign. I think a better average would be 15. Incidentally, 3-5 are more like my guild's numbers on average per raid, but they're solid players and PvP very frequently.

This AD guesting business is news to me. I've seen some AD guests, sure, but not more than I could believe to come through the normal ebb and flow of guesting. In any event, the map at the end of the campaign showed how effective these AD guests were at advancing their cause.

I've seen some nights of EP guesting, but that's about the extent of my knowledge on that. I didn't call them, nor would I (I prefer to be outnumbered). I worked with them when they arrived, sure, because the Pact has objectives and I am not overly concerned about names and origins if the guests are willing to pitch in.

Venithar wrote: »

Lastly, AD's scrolls reset to their scroll temples. They did not take them back. Mayhaps you should pay attention to things like that.

Again, this is news to me. I was offline when the scrolls were moved. I do know that it was agreed among some of the EP guild leaders that AD should have its scrolls back and would not be opposed, in any organized fashion on our parts, in taking them. This was not a charitable gesture. Charity suggests that it would actually help AD's cause on the server, but this was long after DC had mathematically won the campaign. No, this was a show of respect for those AD who stuck with the campaign.

Aena, the leader of the AD remnant on Chyrsamere, was always honest and forthright with me. I cannot even imagine that she would exploit or allow exploits to be used in order to regain her scrolls, especially seeing as she knew of EP's general position on the AD scrolls and tried for weeks to even shut her gates - quite some time if you're cheating (she never really got them closed, either).

But there's a deeper mystery, here. Let's say that I believe you (I don't) that the AD scrolls were exploited, in whatever fashion, back into the AD temples. Nothing happens on the native AD side without Aena knowing about it or, more often, being involved personally. After all, there were only six of them at the end of the first campaign so it's not difficult to pick out the organizer. Now the plot thickens - Aena's a Misfit (at least she still was by the end of the first campaign, which covers all of the time in question), but you knew that, leader and speaker for the Misfits.

Venithar wrote: »

Oh, sorry, almost forgot, as far as the "oil pot exploit" goes, I have no idea, I don't actively look for things to exploit. Just as I never exploited mages, I bought them, placed them, watched them kill you when it was 15+ EP against 2-3 DC (or whenever peggymoe died because she said something about reporting me for using mages).

I can't contest this point either, largely because I didn't take screenshots of the conversation. However, I can't rightly blame you for the mages because, to my understanding, they were buggy anyway.

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I am not aware of anyone using any hacking or clipping or anything like that on the EP side, nor on the native DC side. Had I known or even suspected such things going on, I would have reported them to ZOS. I still would. I may be EP and surely I want my alliance to win, but we all have a higher duty to the integrity of the game.