PVP 1v1 Dragonknight vs Templar who wins?

Rylana

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

The nigthblade who was hiding and takes out who ever survived the 1v1

Thanks for mentioning me.

Tintinabula

Im a DK .My Bf is a Templar..I think it has to do with the person. He outlasts me in most of our skirmishes and I lay dead watching him take on two or three til he finally dies. I think templars have a few more survivability skills than DKs as we have opportunistic damage bursts when applied at just the right time that can be devastating..or at the wrong time..anti climactic.

Id bet on a Templar.

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I've died to the Blazing Shield setup, incredibly powerful against a DK.. esp a Stamina one like me.

That's your fault for attacking someone using Blazing Shield

WTF??? And what can he do then? heal himself until die?. I can use blazing shield 9-10 times and I am using a Stamina Build. The skill is simply too OP against melee players.

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO

SilentThunder wrote: »

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I've died to the Blazing Shield setup, incredibly powerful against a DK.. esp a Stamina one like me.

That's your fault for attacking someone using Blazing Shield

so while your "not attacking them" they are regaining there magica and damaging you with the resto staff attack. All that happens is they kill you. If you attack them you die from blazing shield hitting for ridicules damage (I got hit for 987 and 1348 in one fight when I first ran into this ) or you don't attack them and die to there attacks ether way you cant win.

steven.brandon.garciaub17_ESO wrote: »

Depends on player and build. If a templar and DK concentrate on staying alive bar rather than a burst bar it can go on for awhile.
The problem with blazing shield is you need more then heavy attacks with an enchanted resto staff to sustain it unless you wear 7-piece light w/seducer set and happen to be a Breton.. If the player is smart they won't try to burst you with it either. Talons is also great for making templars running blazing waste even more resource getting out or staying put and being useless. If you manage to make a dk waste his magicka though then you have a small window to try and burst him with soul assault and other instant casts. Better if you manage to knock him down too. If the dk pops a pot or you fail to burst him down and run out of magicka then you have to start over. It's mostly a "who ever makes the first mistake loses" battle.

All that said, a great DK will always win a good templar. I've yet to hear of a great templar.

The Templar I ran into had no problem maintaining blazing shield non stop while killing 3 VR12s over 2-3 min of fighting

During the 6 seconds of Blazing Shield the DK has potentially restored 600 Magicka just from his Magicka Recovery
You have to deal enough damage with your resto staff during those 6 seconds to counter that 600 magicka which will go on heals

And yeah as already said , a 5 meter radius skill is not easy to land, a DK could root you forcing you to waste stamina just to land your Blazing Shield, that's if you're quick enough


edit:If someone hits you for 1k with Blazing Shield then it bugged, you need 5k+ health to do that

Shaun98ca2

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

SilentThunder wrote: »

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I've died to the Blazing Shield setup, incredibly powerful against a DK.. esp a Stamina one like me.

That's your fault for attacking someone using Blazing Shield

so while your "not attacking them" they are regaining there magica and damaging you with the resto staff attack. All that happens is they kill you. If you attack them you die from blazing shield hitting for ridicules damage (I got hit for 987 and 1348 in one fight when I first ran into this ) or you don't attack them and die to there attacks ether way you cant win.

steven.brandon.garciaub17_ESO wrote: »

Depends on player and build. If a templar and DK concentrate on staying alive bar rather than a burst bar it can go on for awhile.
The problem with blazing shield is you need more then heavy attacks with an enchanted resto staff to sustain it unless you wear 7-piece light w/seducer set and happen to be a Breton.. If the player is smart they won't try to burst you with it either. Talons is also great for making templars running blazing waste even more resource getting out or staying put and being useless. If you manage to make a dk waste his magicka though then you have a small window to try and burst him with soul assault and other instant casts. Better if you manage to knock him down too. If the dk pops a pot or you fail to burst him down and run out of magicka then you have to start over. It's mostly a "who ever makes the first mistake loses" battle.

All that said, a great DK will always win a good templar. I've yet to hear of a great templar.

The Templar I ran into had no problem maintaining blazing shield non stop while killing 3 VR12s over 2-3 min of fighting

During the 6 seconds of Blazing Shield the DK has potentially restored 600 Magicka just from his Magicka Recovery
You have to deal enough damage with your resto staff during those 6 seconds to counter that 600 magicka which will go heals

And yeah as already said , a 5 meter radius skill is not easy to land, a DK could root you forcing you to waste stamina just to land your Blazing Shield, that's if you're quick enough

Yes during that 6 seconds of Blazing shield the DK cant really attack the Templar, but that doesn't mean the Templar CANT attack the DK. So lets say the Templar can pop Blazing shield 3 times. That's 18 seconds that the Templar isn't taking damage while the DK is still getting attacked.

The DK's BEST course of action is to attempt to pop the shield and block the blast or simply not be in range of it when it goes off the range is VERY small. Its ONLY 30% of the Templars HP splashed onto the DK IF it hits.

Thechemicals

My Paladin steps on a Dk's neck on my way to pray at church everyday.

Dk cant hang with me and thats not a joke or an overstatement. The only DK's that have rocked me were standing next to an oil pot.


Talons? Cleansing ritual

Oh you want to swing your 1h or 2h at me? Blazing shield.

Dragon Standard? Blazing shield some more. My ultimate cost 58 so youll be taking crescent to the jaw every 5 seconds while you wait to try a one trick kill.

All of your dot effects- null and void by cleansing ritual+one eclipse on your rotation and your going to eat your own fire.

Oh you want to block with a shield? My Biting jabs passive eats through that and sinks your stamina per hit.

Dragonblood? I got an entire tree of healing that heals from core. Your heal is a downward spiral the more youre dying.

Brandoid

Thechemicals wrote: »

My Paladin steps on a Dk's neck on my way to pray at church everyday.

Dk cant hang with me and thats not a joke or an overstatement. The only DK's that have rocked me were standing next to an oil pot.


Talons? Cleansing ritual

Oh you want to swing your 1h or 2h at me? Blazing shield.

Dragon Standard? Blazing shield some more. My ultimate cost 58 so youll be taking crescent to the jaw every 5 seconds while you wait to try a one trick kill.

All of your dot effects- null and void by cleansing ritual+one eclipse on your rotation and your going to eat your own fire.

Oh you want to block with a shield? My Biting jabs passive eats through that and sinks your stamina per hit.

Dragonblood? I got an entire tree of healing that heals from core. Your heal is a downward spiral the more youre dying.

I would love to see some recordings.

Djursnerb16_ESO

I have never lost to a Templar 1v1.

I pop my Immovable and block whilst doing talons + impulse or use my sword and shield with lava whip.

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

SilentThunder wrote: »

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I've died to the Blazing Shield setup, incredibly powerful against a DK.. esp a Stamina one like me.

That's your fault for attacking someone using Blazing Shield

so while your "not attacking them" they are regaining there magica and damaging you with the resto staff attack. All that happens is they kill you. If you attack them you die from blazing shield hitting for ridicules damage (I got hit for 987 and 1348 in one fight when I first ran into this ) or you don't attack them and die to there attacks ether way you cant win.

steven.brandon.garciaub17_ESO wrote: »

Depends on player and build. If a templar and DK concentrate on staying alive bar rather than a burst bar it can go on for awhile.
The problem with blazing shield is you need more then heavy attacks with an enchanted resto staff to sustain it unless you wear 7-piece light w/seducer set and happen to be a Breton.. If the player is smart they won't try to burst you with it either. Talons is also great for making templars running blazing waste even more resource getting out or staying put and being useless. If you manage to make a dk waste his magicka though then you have a small window to try and burst him with soul assault and other instant casts. Better if you manage to knock him down too. If the dk pops a pot or you fail to burst him down and run out of magicka then you have to start over. It's mostly a "who ever makes the first mistake loses" battle.

All that said, a great DK will always win a good templar. I've yet to hear of a great templar.

The Templar I ran into had no problem maintaining blazing shield non stop while killing 3 VR12s over 2-3 min of fighting

During the 6 seconds of Blazing Shield the DK has potentially restored 600 Magicka just from his Magicka Recovery
You have to deal enough damage with your resto staff during those 6 seconds to counter that 600 magicka which will go heals

And yeah as already said , a 5 meter radius skill is not easy to land, a DK could root you forcing you to waste stamina just to land your Blazing Shield, that's if you're quick enough

Yes during that 6 seconds of Blazing shield the DK cant really attack the Templar, but that doesn't mean the Templar CANT attack the DK. So lets say the Templar can pop Blazing shield 3 times. That's 18 seconds that the Templar isn't taking damage while the DK is still getting attacked.

The DK's BEST course of action is to attempt to pop the shield and block the blast or simply not be in range of it when it goes off the range is VERY small. Its ONLY 30% of the Templars HP splashed onto the DK IF it hits.

Yeah but the DK is not taking damage either, because he's recovering magicka and therefore healing more than the Templars damage.

Then the Templar finds himself waiting for his Magicka to recover, while the DK has at least half left, now the Templar is taking more damage than he can deal.

Think about it like this, Templar has 0 magicka, he waits three seconds to get his Blazing shield again, meanwhile DK is dealing damage, Templar pops shield, DK waits 6 seconds, heals off the Templar damage, Templar shield ends and the DK deals damage again for three seconds, if the Templars health recovery cannot deal with the damage that the DK dealt in those three seconds then the Templar is slowly losing health

Recovery is everything in 1v1s, when you use a skill like Blazing Shield which completely removes Recovery you're just killing yourself if you cannot deal enough damage with non resource abilities to counter your opponents recovery

You can introduce pots into the equation and other Magicka gains outside of recovery but so can the DK

it's unending

this game doesn't have just one type of damage and I don't know how much resistances really affect damage in this game because I haven't tested it
but in a game with 1 type of damage there is always the best 1v1 build, given you are in the middle of a field with no environment to take advantage of

and if neither kill eachother there will be a build that the best at surviving infinitely

Fuzzylumpkins

Question:

Which one brought marshmallows? I'm on that guys side.

Brandoid

If you all want to try these things out in game go ahead and /tell @Brandoidv1 for a Legend, dueling guild, invite. We would be more than happy to have you.

Also, base on my own observations, Templar and Dragon Knights do seem to have the hardest time killing each other, but Dragon Knights tend to come out on top. This can change will coming Templar buffs(whenever that it, certainly not today zenimax!).

CaptainSilverbrow

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

Uhmmm, melee templar maybe can destroy DK/NB casters but if you fight a good sorcerer you will have a big problem.

A good Templar turns the problem a Sorc' represents back on the Sorc', if you know what I mean.

Dreamer80

Noone wins. If both are good players,it turns out into an infinite combat(tested).
I am templar v12 and i have a good fight aginst a DK v12. After 6-7 minutes,both stop fighting and wasting time and potion ^^.And,btw, i'm not the most skilled pvp player,but i never lose against a dk in 1v1 (after bash fix).

Brandoid

Dreamer80 wrote: »

Noone wins. If both are good players,it turns out into an infinite combat(tested).
I am templar v12 and i have a good fight aginst a DK v12. After 6-7 minutes,both stop fighting and wasting time and potion ^^.And,btw, i'm not the most skilled pvp player,but i never lose against a dk in 1v1 (after bash fix).

I would love to see something to prove, or at least back-up your claim.

Edit: In Legend, dueling guild, activity there is always a winner.

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO

Dreamer80 wrote: »

Noone wins. If both are good players,it turns out into an infinite combat(tested).
I am templar v12 and i have a good fight aginst a DK v12. After 6-7 minutes,both stop fighting and wasting time and potion ^^.And,btw, i'm not the most skilled pvp player,but i never lose against a dk in 1v1 (after bash fix).

If both use restoration staff as primary/secondary weapon, Yes, I agree with you, but if none of them use restoration staff, Templar should win easily.