keep or remove former emperor passives?

Kilgorsmudge

Leave it as it is

Perhaps its intended that more than 20 players in game should be able to get emp. Maybe they would like to see hundreds of former emps in the future or make it accessible to the average player. Of course we will never know unless we could get a comment from ZOS on this.

One thing though, Why would they go through the trouble of coding an "abdicated function in the game if they didn't intend for the crown to be passed around"

Desdemonte

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Kilgorsmudge wrote: »

Perhaps its intended that more than 20 players in game should be able to get emp. Maybe they would like to see hundreds of former emps in the future or make it accessible to the average player. Of course we will never know unless we could get a comment from ZOS on this.

One thing though, Why would they go through the trouble of coding an "abdicated function in the game if they didn't intend for the crown to be passed around"

Sounds like the words of an exploiter.

Kilgorsmudge

Leave it as it is

Desdemonte wrote: »

Sounds like the words of an exploiter.

Odd but I don't see anywhere that ZOS has said getting emp and passing it is an exploit.

Try as hard as you like to call it an exploit but until ZOS says it is.. It isnt...

Desdemonte

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Kilgorsmudge wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Sounds like the words of an exploiter.

Odd but I don't see anywhere that ZOS has said getting emp and passing it is an exploit.

Try as hard as you like to call it an exploit but until ZOS says it is.. It isnt...

Whatever. Justify it how you want, but any person with integrity would recognize that is not the spirit of intent behind Emperorship. It is the same people who abused the OP shield bash, the DK vamp Ult stacking, etc and run around in light armour with a staff regardless of their class. Sure, these were not technically "exploits" but they may as well have been, considering the unbalance they caused.

Dleatherus

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Kilgorsmudge wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Sounds like the words of an exploiter.

Odd but I don't see anywhere that ZOS has said getting emp and passing it is an exploit.

Try as hard as you like to call it an exploit but until ZOS says it is.. It isnt...

i'll try give an example as it relates to games and interacting with other players

without copying and pasting all the rules of monopoly: "The object of the game is to become the wealthiest player'."

little johnny and little bobby are playing the game - little johnny hits little bobby, takes all the money and properties and declares he won the game

- little bobby says 'you cheated'

- little johnny says 'i did NOT - it CLEARLY says in the rules you have to become the wealthiest player, and I just did so i win - odd but I don't see anywhere where HASBRO said smacking you in the face and stealing your money is cheating - try hard as you like to say it's cheating but until Hasbro says it is .. it isn't''

D.

rammstein2001pub18_ESO

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

i don't think the players that are doing this to the pvp servers realize they are effectively killing the game ..i'm pretty sure when they had thought of the former emp they never thought this would take place.. but from the moment i heard brian say this will change gaming forever etc.. i knew it would either kill the game completely or have amazing pvp battles but now its like .. you got EP talking with DC/AD rigging the match .. whats the f'n point of having 3 different factions now? seriously ..

Singular

Leave it as it is

Dleatherus wrote: »

maholi wrote: »

This will be a pretty lopsided poll since players who aren't emps will all vote to lose it. :P

well, i'm a former emp and i voted for them to be done away with so i guess it works both ways

those who aren't emperors aspiring to be emperor could just as easily vote for leaving it as it is

D.

I think you guys should get to keep them b/c you earned it.

Kilgorsmudge

Leave it as it is

@‌Dleatherus

Ok stretching it just a bit far are we. Sorry but again the act of abdicating emperor is within the mechanics of the designed game. It's just that simple. If you don't like the game for as it is then don't play. It's a good way of avoiding getting hit on the head.

Dleatherus

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Kilgorsmudge wrote: »

@‌Dleatherus

Ok stretching it just a bit far are we. Sorry but again the act of abdicating emperor is within the mechanics of the designed game. It's just that simple. If you don't like the game for as it is then don't play. It's a good way of avoiding getting hit on the head.

- emperor flipping between coordinated enemy alliance groups to take all the undefended enemy inner keeps, crown an emp, have him abdicate 3 minutes later, let the enemy alliance know in voice comms it's their turn, leave or just sit in keeps being attacked to get AP without lifting a finger to defend, harass and abuse those defending in zone and private chats, use siege weapon limit exploits to sabotage those defending - average turnaround time to crown a new emperor 60-90 minutes

stretching it? - i don't think i'm the one doing the stretching here - you want to tell me the above tactics are legit?

little johnny says 'bobby, if you don't want to keep getting a black eye, just quit playing monopoly'

D.

Tintinabula

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Its definitely broke. Been bustin my arse to get a nice pvp rank and a level 49 1st sergeant former emp runs past me today...whats the point?...I could have gotten emp at level 49!!...meh

Desdemonte

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Singular wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

maholi wrote: »

This will be a pretty lopsided poll since players who aren't emps will all vote to lose it. :P

well, i'm a former emp and i voted for them to be done away with so i guess it works both ways

those who aren't emperors aspiring to be emperor could just as easily vote for leaving it as it is

D.

I think you guys should get to keep them b/c you earned it.

They did, eh? Do you even lift brah?

leewells

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Dleatherus wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

Lose it. QQ'rs can thank the Emp farmers for spoiling it for everyone.

agree - do i WANT to lose my current former emp buffs - heck no

do i want to see an end to emperor farming exploits and the ruin it causes it the campaign they target - heck yes

as such i'd rather lose my former emp buffs if it stops the disgusting behavior and in game harassment and abuse by the emperor farmers

D.

They will always find something to exploit. First it was the guild bank, then batswarm, then caltrops. Emp is the flavor of the month. Its not the first, and likely won't be the last.

leewells

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Desdemonte wrote: »

Kilgorsmudge wrote: »

Perhaps its intended that more than 20 players in game should be able to get emp. Maybe they would like to see hundreds of former emps in the future or make it accessible to the average player. Of course we will never know unless we could get a comment from ZOS on this.

One thing though, Why would they go through the trouble of coding an "abdicated function in the game if they didn't intend for the crown to be passed around"

Sounds like the words of an exploiter.

Sounds like the words of an elitist sociopath that would rather place labels on people that make logical assessments and share power in a game than admit they have a point in a pathetic attempt to hoard that power and egotistical title for oneself. So tell me, when did you get your emp?

You remind me of the old EverQuest gold/plat farmers. They started just after beta by finding all the high-yield mobs, got their gold, stocked up, and then took to the forums a few months later when everyone else caught on and QQ'in for YEARS about how unfair it was that people actually were able to earn the same gold as them. They called people exploiters, cheaters, every term under the sun until finally Varrent/Sony came in and said it wasn't an exploit to "farm" gold.

It's that very elitist attitude you remind me of -- no matter the campaigns are being made so short emp will switch every hour because the metrics are obviously telling the devs they need more emps and less rewards -- and what's worse is, you won't give up that attitude until you and a few other elitists are the last one's playing the game, and then you'll take it to ZOS and blame them for non-marketing a game that is over-run with elitists who would rather keep players down than help build them up.

Please, either change your attitude or change your MMO for the sake of ESO.

Desdemonte

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

leewells wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Kilgorsmudge wrote: »

Perhaps its intended that more than 20 players in game should be able to get emp. Maybe they would like to see hundreds of former emps in the future or make it accessible to the average player. Of course we will never know unless we could get a comment from ZOS on this.

One thing though, Why would they go through the trouble of coding an "abdicated function in the game if they didn't intend for the crown to be passed around"

Sounds like the words of an exploiter.

Sounds like the words of an elitist sociopath that would rather place labels on people that make logical assessments and share power in a game than admit they have a point in a pathetic attempt to hoard that power and egotistical title for oneself. So tell me, when did you get your emp?

You remind me of the old EverQuest gold/plat farmers. They started just after beta by finding all the high-yield mobs, got their gold, stocked up, and then took to the forums a few months later when everyone else caught on and QQ'in for YEARS about how unfair it was that people actually were able to earn the same gold as them. They called people exploiters, cheaters, every term under the sun until finally Varrent/Sony came in and said it wasn't an exploit to "farm" gold.

It's that very elitist attitude you remind me of -- no matter the campaigns are being made so short emp will switch every hour because the metrics are obviously telling the devs they need more emps and less rewards -- and what's worse is, you won't give up that attitude until you and a few other elitists are the last one's playing the game, and then you'll take it to ZOS and blame them for non-marketing a game that is over-run with elitists who would rather keep players down than help build them up.

Please, either change your attitude or change your MMO for the sake of ESO.

Such impassioned drivel. I don't have Emperor and don't see me ever getting it lol.

Supersun

At minimum they need to get rid of the -5% ultimate cost.

That's WAAAY more than a 5% buff if set up right.

An extra 5% reduction can potentially make your ultimate something like 25% cheaper depending on how your build is already set up.

DontBeAfraid

Leave it as it is

Supersun wrote: »

At minimum they need to get rid of the -5% ultimate cost.

That's WAAAY more than a 5% buff if set up right.

An extra 5% reduction can potentially make your ultimate something like 25% cheaper depending on how your build is already set up.

best maths.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Supersun wrote: »

At minimum they need to get rid of the -5% ultimate cost.

That's WAAAY more than a 5% buff if set up right.

An extra 5% reduction can potentially make your ultimate something like 25% cheaper depending on how your build is already set up.

So I guess you're saying people can get 80% cheaper ultimates and the 5% reduction is one quarter of what's left? Sounds like the problem is the 80%, not the 5%. Having said that, in the instance of this thread, I think the problem is emperor farmers, not those who legitimately earned it.

Tintinabula

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

well the assault rank 8 passive is -13(with each enemy slain) and the the sword and board is -15 (these are passives)..plus 5% of whatever is left over...

Also certain ultimates reduce your next ult by 9 per enemy hit. Comet comes to mind.

DontBeAfraid

Leave it as it is

the assault tree has no such thing as costreduce.

Tintinabula

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

the assault tree has no such thing as costreduce.

whatever the last passive is at assault rank 8,it reduces ult cost by 13 per enemy slain.

DontBeAfraid

Leave it as it is

Tintinabula wrote: »

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

the assault tree has no such thing as costreduce.

whatever the last passive is at assault rank 8,it reduces ult cost by 13 per enemy slain.

it does not.
combat frenzy gives u 13 ult points / 25 ult points each enemy u kill. (has an internal cooldown of 10 sec btw)

that has NOTHING to do with costreduce.

Tintinabula

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

the assault tree has no such thing as costreduce.

whatever the last passive is at assault rank 8,it reduces ult cost by 13 per enemy slain.

it does not.
combat frenzy gives u 13 ult points / 25 ult points each enemy u kill. (has an internal cooldown of 10 sec btw)

that has NOTHING to do with costreduce.

so..that's 13/25 points that you're NOT having to spend...call it cost reduce or "gives you 13/25" the end result is still the same....right?..I'm looking at the glass half full while you're looking at it half empty..tomatoes/tomahtoes.

DontBeAfraid

Leave it as it is

ofc u have to spend the 13/25 points. it helps you to get your ult up faster but doesnt reduce its cost. you still need the full number.

it would be like saying "using a manapotion reduces my manacost of all spells" which is just wrong.

Tintinabula

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

ok whatever, you're splitting straws.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Leave it as it is

the ex emporer passives are small. there is no reason to take them away.

SBR_QuorTek

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Dont want to vote, because I am neither for or against, it doesnt really matter anyway lol and nope never been an emperor and far from close ever being one lol

Appearently it auto voted me or somethign or I must have miss clicked.. either way it is not really relevant.

kijima

@kijima


I believe you have misread my comment. These are the passives former emperors recieve already, all at once. My suggestion is, instead of recieveing them just by becomming emperor, you need to maintain the emperor title over a period of time and the passive will unlock. In your specific scenario, you are not having emperor farming so this would not apply.

I'm not sure how this is OP. Really confused about that. Are you thinking they would gain that and it keep stacking? If so, that is not what I am saying. 1% would be the MAX, which is what it is now.

I hope that makes sense.

Got it, and yes that makes sense, I thought you were talking about stacking passives for emps which would mean there would be a handful of very serious OP former emps running around. I've just re-read what you've written, I'll use the excuse of "I was tired when I read your post" hehehe

I'll be honest here and say, I'd like to get emp one day, not for the passives (sure they are nice and I'd welcome them) as for me it's more about completion more than anything else in getting that title, I'm not bent out of shape if the passives exist or get nerfed in the future, personally I'd like to see ZOS kill off the emp farming but keep passives as a reward for those that EARNED their emp title, at least that's how I see it in a perfect world.

I've been here in all the Beta's, I like the game a lot and I have many many months ahead of me so emp might well be possible, who knows. Either way, I'm in for the long haul as I like this game warts and all.

Neutronium_Dragon

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

A 5% decrease to ultimate costs is a significant boost. The rest are fairly marginal, but when you're dealing with PvP or difficult PvE content, every small advantage matters, especially if an entire group has them.

One possible middle ground: losing the emperor status causes the "former emperor" benefits to fade over time - it could be linked to the amount of time that they spent as emperor, or a fixed rate; the latter is probably less apt to produce bugs. This would address the mechanical issues and have some thematic justification too (because your former emperor's prestige (and supporters) will wane if he can't get his crown back).

CASP3R421

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Monkey rum butter!!!!

Zintair

When an emperor loses his throne the former emperor will have no passives?

Get rid of the Emperor Farming. It is taking away from the real fighting. Emperors should be the only ones who have any bonuses. The rest should just get the Costume and the Title.

The system wasn't designed with the intention that people would cooperate to swap like scrubs. Yet here we are.