DK nerf complaint threads- and the joy they bring.

Noctisse

You get a nerf! And you get a nerf! Everybody gets a nerf!
At this rate, at some point we should all be equal...

EvilEmpire

fraps is a great, free recording software.


But look at what you said you'd roll vs what I asked you to roll. Try the s+b. Try the 2h. Preferably both with hvy armor, but med is fine. Then show me DW.

bg22

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EvilEmpire wrote: »

fraps is a great, free recording software.


But look at what you said you'd roll vs what I asked you to roll. Try the s+b. Try the 2h. Preferably both with hvy armor, but med is fine. Then show me DW.

Free fraps only last 25 seconds, then breaks for like 10 seconds..

I'll try both 1h/shield and 2h tho.

Rammanjeff

NerfEverything wrote: »

reggielee wrote: »

not a dk but give them a break.. the next nerf hammer could be your class and leave you floundering too

Nope, I'm a Templar. Things can't get any worse for us.

Sure it can, you could be a Nightblade!

Thunderchief

MasterSpatula wrote: »

God, the vindictiveness and schadenfreude of people is kind of disturbing.

You get points for putting that word in a real sentence

Sensesfail13

Im curious as to how you "derp roll" an anchor with a VR9 DK. And dont tell me it was a level 10 anchor, which was probably the case. Do this with 1hs/shield and two handed sword combo, heavy armor setup and make a video of the ease with which you troll your way through content. Im always willing to learn how to play my class "correctly" in a game where every/any build is supposed to be relevant. Classes are supposed to be complimentary, and as much as the devs claimed to be moving away from classic class structures in Elder Scrolls before the release, all they did was make it so you have people playing and attempting to find exploits in character abilities. As it is, the latest nerfs to DK abilities like flame talons, Standard of might, and the "infamous" shield bash ( not like you couldnt run away from the knight walking at 50% pace towards you ) seriously inhibit playability within certain class structures. As much as I have read that Dragonknights are all mighty, and all powerful... I am just not seeing it, I have played the other classes and although not to my taste they had their good and bad points as did the DK... now it just seems that every skill that made my build relevant are unusable in a standard combat situation.
But goodluck with your continued trolling, I am sure that when all of the dedicated and reasonable fans of the game discontinue their subscriptions you will still be derping your way through mudcrabs like a champ, and hopefully you will be able to find a party within this MMO that makes it so hard to quest with other players.

bg22

@ErykGrimm‌ @stungateb14_ESO‌ @Sensesfail13‌ @EvilEmpire‌

The anchor I rolled is in Cyrodiil, so it's VR5. If you want that video, I"ll upload it to, but since it's only VR5 I figured you'd ***. Bc I only have access to Craglorn and Cyrodiil, and there are no anchors in Craglorn.

But, here's some Craglorn on this DK I made yesterday on the PTS. (25 seconds worth, bc FRAPS doesn't record longer than that).

This is a VR9 DK w/ crap gear that they give for making a VR9 on the PTS, and VR5 potions. No food.. Full medium armor and 1h/shield.

I don't see the problem. (And yes, I killed the remaining 2, but FRAPS ran out..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeKnD18kZuw&feature=youtu.be

ErykGrimm

I will watch your sample after I get off work.

Wifeaggro13

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Im curious as to how you "derp roll" an anchor with a VR9 DK. And dont tell me it was a level 10 anchor, which was probably the case. Do this with 1hs/shield and two handed sword combo, heavy armor setup and make a video of the ease with which you troll your way through content. Im always willing to learn how to play my class "correctly" in a game where every/any build is supposed to be relevant. Classes are supposed to be complimentary, and as much as the devs claimed to be moving away from classic class structures in Elder Scrolls before the release, all they did was make it so you have people playing and attempting to find exploits in character abilities. As it is, the latest nerfs to DK abilities like flame talons, Standard of might, and the "infamous" shield bash ( not like you couldnt run away from the knight walking at 50% pace towards you ) seriously inhibit playability within certain class structures. As much as I have read that Dragonknights are all mighty, and all powerful... I am just not seeing it, I have played the other classes and although not to my taste they had their good and bad points as did the DK... now it just seems that every skill that made my build relevant are unusable in a standard combat situation.
But goodluck with your continued trolling, I am sure that when all of the dedicated and reasonable fans of the game discontinue their subscriptions you will still be derping your way through mudcrabs like a champ, and hopefully you will be able to find a party within this MMO that makes it so hard to quest with other players.

guy is a F ing liar point blank.

Wifeaggro13

bg22 wrote: »

@ErykGrimm‌ @stungateb14_ESO‌ @Sensesfail13‌ @EvilEmpire‌

The anchor I rolled is in Cyrodiil, so it's VR5. If you want that video, I"ll upload it to, but since it's only VR5 I figured you'd ***. Bc I only have access to Craglorn and Cyrodiil, and there are no anchors in Craglorn.

But, here's some Craglorn on this DK I made yesterday on the PTS. (25 seconds worth, bc FRAPS doesn't record longer than that).

This is a VR9 DK w/ crap gear that they give for making a VR9 on the PTS, and VR5 potions. No food.. Full medium armor and 1h/shield.

I don't see the problem. (And yes, I killed the remaining 2, but FRAPS ran out..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeKnD18kZuw&feature=youtu.be

those are known to be very broken buddy go to a VR 3 in deshann and try it lol

Wifeaggro13

bg22 wrote: »

@ErykGrimm‌ @stungateb14_ESO‌ @Sensesfail13‌ @EvilEmpire‌

The anchor I rolled is in Cyrodiil, so it's VR5. If you want that video, I"ll upload it to, but since it's only VR5 I figured you'd ***. Bc I only have access to Craglorn and Cyrodiil, and there are no anchors in Craglorn.

But, here's some Craglorn on this DK I made yesterday on the PTS. (25 seconds worth, bc FRAPS doesn't record longer than that).

This is a VR9 DK w/ crap gear that they give for making a VR9 on the PTS, and VR5 potions. No food.. Full medium armor and 1h/shield.

I don't see the problem. (And yes, I killed the remaining 2, but FRAPS ran out..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeKnD18kZuw&feature=youtu.be

lol you can kill 5 VR 11 bears with any class in game . the only class that would have a problem would be NB, and if they eqip light with a Resto destro they could do it fine.

bg22

@Wifeaggro13‌ I just did it to a group of humanoid NPC's in Craglorn... The viedo will take forever to download.

And no, these NPC's aren't "broken" in anyway.

Wifeaggro13

bg22 wrote: »

@Wifeaggro13‌ I just did it to a group of humanoid NPC's in Craglorn... The viedo will take forever to download.

And no, these NPC's aren't "broken" in anyway.

Every class is soling stuff in craglorn whats your point?

NerfEverything

I see a lot of DKs saying "Build a stamina s+b/2hander DK and then see how weak we are". We all know stam/melee builds are underpowered, but they are underpowered for everybody. DK is still the best class for stam s+b/2h. The argument doesn't work.

jimmulvaney

bg22 wrote: »

@ErykGrimm‌ @stungateb14_ESO‌ @Sensesfail13‌ @EvilEmpire‌

The anchor I rolled is in Cyrodiil, so it's VR5. If you want that video, I"ll upload it to, but since it's only VR5 I figured you'd ***. Bc I only have access to Craglorn and Cyrodiil, and there are no anchors in Craglorn.

But, here's some Craglorn on this DK I made yesterday on the PTS. (25 seconds worth, bc FRAPS doesn't record longer than that).

This is a VR9 DK w/ crap gear that they give for making a VR9 on the PTS, and VR5 potions. No food.. Full medium armor and 1h/shield.

I don't see the problem. (And yes, I killed the remaining 2, but FRAPS ran out..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeKnD18kZuw&feature=youtu.be

Again, this is a magic-based build you can tell by the fact that there are ZERO stamina-based abilities on the skill bar. These are the DKs people are calling over powered. Try it with my build and don't forget to count how many times your jaw drops when a simple vet mob of 2 spanks you so flawlessly. Full green Calcinium gear, Purple two hand Sword & Axe.

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#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

crislevin

jimmulvaney wrote: »

Try it with my build and don't forget to count how many times your jaw drops when a simple vet mob of 2 spanks you so flawlessly.

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#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

your choice of not using some OP skills is really not a defense of the existence of those OP skills.

jimmulvaney

crislevin wrote: »

your choice of not using some OP skills is really not a defense of the existence of those OP skills.

Not saying it is, but it is builds like this that are feeling the nerf bat the most and we are not the ones who are overpowered in the first place. THAT is my point!

And like I stated earlier, people should not be whining that they are overpowered in the first place. What these "Fire Mage" builds have done is found an efficient way to use all of their assets not just Stamina but Magic as well. The other class types and builds should take a lesson from them instead of complaining about them being overpowered. What they have done is shown how EVERYBODY else is playing inefficient and inneffectively.

bg22

jimmulvaney wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

@ErykGrimm‌ @stungateb14_ESO‌ @Sensesfail13‌ @EvilEmpire‌

The anchor I rolled is in Cyrodiil, so it's VR5. If you want that video, I"ll upload it to, but since it's only VR5 I figured you'd ***. Bc I only have access to Craglorn and Cyrodiil, and there are no anchors in Craglorn.

But, here's some Craglorn on this DK I made yesterday on the PTS. (25 seconds worth, bc FRAPS doesn't record longer than that).

This is a VR9 DK w/ crap gear that they give for making a VR9 on the PTS, and VR5 potions. No food.. Full medium armor and 1h/shield.

I don't see the problem. (And yes, I killed the remaining 2, but FRAPS ran out..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeKnD18kZuw&feature=youtu.be

Again, this is a magic-based build you can tell by the fact that there are ZERO stamina-based abilities on the skill bar. These are the DKs people are calling over powered. Try it with my build and don't forget to count how many times your jaw drops when a simple vet mob of 2 spanks you so flawlessly. Full green Calcinium gear, Purple two hand Sword & Axe.

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#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

Yes, it's a magicka based build. Becuase this is a magicka based thread. Becuase this is a CLASS skill based thread.

What does stamina skills have to do w/ DK, or any other class being over or underpowered?

Nothing, is the answer.

Also, the first skill on my bar is stamina based. Just some fyi.

bg22

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

@Wifeaggro13‌ I just did it to a group of humanoid NPC's in Craglorn... The viedo will take forever to download.

And no, these NPC's aren't "broken" in anyway.

Every class is soling stuff in craglorn whats your point?

So then I guess my point is that YOUR CLASS ISN'T BROKEN.

Ya know, kinda like the title of the thread states.

Nam'sayin?

I hope you do, because I'm typing English.

Liquid_Time

jimmulvaney wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

your choice of not using some OP skills is really not a defense of the existence of those OP skills.

Not saying it is, but it is builds like this that are feeling the nerf bat the most and we are not the ones who are overpowered in the first place. THAT is my point!

Umm.. I almost bet if they reduced the "OP" skills and did not touch the ones related to you.. You will still see a large amount of complaints despite the fact. I too want a viable stam build, but I would not consider it coming anytime soon.

Enjoy the powerful skills you have now and enjoy the game for what it is as of current.

I am not going to run the build I want and wait for things to change. We know those builds will be fun, but being that stubborn and refusing to enjoy what is current I do not understand. I run what gives me the most enjoyment and continue to ask for what I would like to change.

Simply my logic if that made any sense haha ^^

EvilEmpire

I haven't been to craglorn yet, so not familiar with those mobs, but are those 'trash mobs'? If so, you don't think it's broken that it took you dropping two Ultimates to fight a group of a few mobs?

Sensesfail13

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Im curious as to how you "derp roll" an anchor with a VR9 DK. And dont tell me it was a level 10 anchor, which was probably the case. Do this with 1hs/shield and two handed sword combo, heavy armor setup and make a video of the ease with which you troll your way through content. Im always willing to learn how to play my class "correctly" in a game where every/any build is supposed to be relevant. Classes are supposed to be complimentary, and as much as the devs claimed to be moving away from classic class structures in Elder Scrolls before the release, all they did was make it so you have people playing and attempting to find exploits in character abilities. As it is, the latest nerfs to DK abilities like flame talons, Standard of might, and the "infamous" shield bash ( not like you couldnt run away from the knight walking at 50% pace towards you ) seriously inhibit playability within certain class structures. As much as I have read that Dragonknights are all mighty, and all powerful... I am just not seeing it, I have played the other classes and although not to my taste they had their good and bad points as did the DK... now it just seems that every skill that made my build relevant are unusable in a standard combat situation.
But goodluck with your continued trolling, I am sure that when all of the dedicated and reasonable fans of the game discontinue their subscriptions you will still be derping your way through mudcrabs like a champ, and hopefully you will be able to find a party within this MMO that makes it so hard to quest with other players.

guy is a F ing liar point blank.

Im not sure who this comment was in regards to but I didnt lie at all.

And as for the video posted by @bg22 try a heavy armor build not a stamina gain build, which basically gives you no bonuses because the defense is negligible.
Thats not even to mention that most fights you dont have the room for maneuvering the way you were as well as the fact that those were not humanoids that cast large damage spells at you constantly... AND definitely not daedra. As my post above stated, have fun derping your way through mudcrabs, the actual content of the game ie. quests, trials, dungeons, are a whole different ballgame from the video you posted.

Nox_Aeterna

Hum i dont really get joy out of this , but i agree with the nerfs.

DKs were complately OP when this game launched zen is really , really slowly trying to fix this.

Took them a while to notice that balance is important and their players will quit over it.

Wifeaggro13

EvilEmpire wrote: »

I haven't been to craglorn yet, so not familiar with those mobs, but are those 'trash mobs'? If so, you don't think it's broken that it took you dropping two Ultimates to fight a group of a few mobs?

Guy is trolling trying to get people pissed off he is oblivous to what is working or broken in game . he would have light armor and a destro staff if he was trying to make any argument at all. these bears wiped the damn floor with him. its why the video cuts out. Dk is broken in the group tanking depart ment for the most part. still doable with bad trash pulls if you have VR from mages guild but its utility and survivablitlity are getting gutted sadly and they are leaving the OP DPS alone sadly. Very obvious Zos wants casters online. ill wait for the next big update and see how it pans out but if the melee goes un addressed in that time i wont continue here

bg22

EvilEmpire wrote: »

I haven't been to craglorn yet, so not familiar with those mobs, but are those 'trash mobs'? If so, you don't think it's broken that it took you dropping two Ultimates to fight a group of a few mobs?

That's 1 ultimate.

And you can kill trash mobs in group dungeons w/o using ultimates?

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Im curious as to how you "derp roll" an anchor with a VR9 DK. And dont tell me it was a level 10 anchor, which was probably the case. Do this with 1hs/shield and two handed sword combo, heavy armor setup and make a video of the ease with which you troll your way through content. Im always willing to learn how to play my class "correctly" in a game where every/any build is supposed to be relevant. Classes are supposed to be complimentary, and as much as the devs claimed to be moving away from classic class structures in Elder Scrolls before the release, all they did was make it so you have people playing and attempting to find exploits in character abilities. As it is, the latest nerfs to DK abilities like flame talons, Standard of might, and the "infamous" shield bash ( not like you couldnt run away from the knight walking at 50% pace towards you ) seriously inhibit playability within certain class structures. As much as I have read that Dragonknights are all mighty, and all powerful... I am just not seeing it, I have played the other classes and although not to my taste they had their good and bad points as did the DK... now it just seems that every skill that made my build relevant are unusable in a standard combat situation.
But goodluck with your continued trolling, I am sure that when all of the dedicated and reasonable fans of the game discontinue their subscriptions you will still be derping your way through mudcrabs like a champ, and hopefully you will be able to find a party within this MMO that makes it so hard to quest with other players.

guy is a F ing liar point blank.

Im not sure who this comment was in regards to but I didnt lie at all.

And as for the video posted by @bg22 try a heavy armor build not a stamina gain build, which basically gives you no bonuses because the defense is negligible.
Thats not even to mention that most fights you dont have the room for maneuvering the way you were as well as the fact that those were not humanoids that cast large damage spells at you constantly... AND definitely not daedra. As my post above stated, have fun derping your way through mudcrabs, the actual content of the game ie. quests, trials, dungeons, are a whole different ballgame from the video you posted.

I already mentioned above. I have a humanoid video uploading now... It's crappy due to misjudgement on when to re-press the record button on my FRAPS demo... So about 7 seconds of the fight is missing. Which I'm sure someone will think I had some magical help or something. lol

But anyway, i'll have that video ready soon... taking forever to upload to youtube.

Cimos

Every class will get nerfed somehow during the first 90 days of an MMO. Check history.

How you respond to the nerfs determines what type of player you are. Do you learn a new build? Optimize your previous build to adapt to the nerfs? Maybe you just accept the fact that your class had it good for a while, and now things are more even?

OR

Do you go to every message board and retype over and over that you have been nerfed into the ground and that your class is useless and that you are quitting the game and uninstalling it from your computer to free up 30GB on your 250GB SSD that already has alot of open space.

Bolt Escape is being nerfed into what some would call "uselessness". As a Sorc, I personally just said, "Okay, the skill was too good before...I will have to learn new more skillful ways to escape from an unfair fight."

As a sorc, I also know that everyones complaining about sorcs and light armor and staves....and will eventually lead to more nerfs. Will I be upset? No, I will adapt.

So stop complaining, whether its fair or not, and start adapting.

bg22

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

EvilEmpire wrote: »

I haven't been to craglorn yet, so not familiar with those mobs, but are those 'trash mobs'? If so, you don't think it's broken that it took you dropping two Ultimates to fight a group of a few mobs?

Guy is trolling trying to get people pissed off he is oblivous to what is working or broken in game . he would have light armor and a destro staff if he was trying to make any argument at all. these bears wiped the damn floor with him. its why the video cuts out. Dk is broken in the group tanking depart ment for the most part. still doable with bad trash pulls if you have VR from mages guild but its utility and survivablitlity are getting gutted sadly and they are leaving the OP DPS alone sadly. Very obvious Zos wants casters online. ill wait for the next big update and see how it pans out but if the melee goes un addressed in that time i wont continue here

lol wtf are you talking about?

The last two mobs at 10~% finished me off? haha Dude. You're outta your mind.

Sorry you're bad...

bg22

No clue why it uploaded in low rez...
And sorry that about 7 seconds is missing. Nothing special happened during those 7 seconds tho, for the record.
Anywhere, here are VR11 Human mobs in Craglorn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7ExGtTRipU&hd=1

Heraclea

Just get rid of PvP. Turn it off. Make Cyrodiil another co-op PvE zone.

PvP never works well in MMOs, and it wrecks game communities.

bg22

Heraclea wrote: »

Just get rid of PvP. Turn it off. Make Cyrodiil another co-op PvE zone.

PvP never works well in MMOs, and it wrecks game communities.

Yeah!

But, no...

PvP is the only thing I REALLY enjoy in this game. What are you even talking about tho?