So 1.2 nerfed Bolt escape HAAAAARD

Phantorang

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

FunkyBudda wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

It was abused way too often, this was a good move.

explain to me how a class defining skill called "Bolt Escape" is abused when it is frequently used for escaping? Or are you one of those melee guy that want to say "if sorc is caught within melee range they should accept death" while the inverse of the that logic doesn't apply to melee builds that get caught in range combat?

What the hell does "class defining skill" mean? Why is BE the one skill that defines sorcs and why calling it that should protect it from being changed for balancing reasons? Talons and Standard were pretty defining for DKs, they got nerfed too...

How does increasing the cost so you can't traverse the whole Cyrodiil on a full magicka bar, mean that you can't use it 2-3 times to escape combat and you have to "accept death" instead? Sensationalist BS, I say.

Also you're comparing apples with oranges. A gap closer can only close the gap to one target. If a melee warrior alone is targeted by 3 ranged units, he's toast because he can only close gap with one while the others will kite him to death. The Sorc could escape, not just 1 or 2 enemies but the whole field of combat and BE to the next safe keep. It's nowhere near the same thing however much you cry about it....

I couldnt agree more, a small increase in magicka cost doesnt change anything.

Kronosphere

Rejoice! through faith my afflictions are banished! thank YOU Zenimax =D

Ojustaboo

Sorc is my V1 main that I regularly PvP with.

Haven't even got the bolt escape spell, I do wish just because others like a particular spell, they wouldn't keep saying the class is useless etc without it.

Cimos

I am a sorc, and I cant argue with this nerf. I was literally using Bolt Escape and beating people on mounts to locations. Due to magicka regen, I could cast it like 15+ times before my mana ran out.

This spell was supposed to be Blink from WoW. Since there are no CDs in ESO, the spell was OP. Now it is basically like Blink.

OrangeTheCat

If this actually goes live they should rename the skill to just "Bolt" as the "Escape" part is now irrelevant since a bolting sorc will just get pulled back into melee range, rooted, and perma-stunned.

Certainly this skill needs to be changed to prevent the infinite use of it (apparently, some hack is involved), but for those of us who use it as intended we could only actually escape combat about half the time because many other players figured out how to counter it.

crislevin

Elminster wrote: »

nerf it to oblivion, why give one class a cheap escape mechanism whereas the rest suffers:p

Rest? you mean non-DKs? LOL

nerfing of BE should be paired with nerfing of gap closers, teleport strike, DK's chain, and two handed charge, etc.

crislevin

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

FunkyBudda wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

It was abused way too often, this was a good move.

explain to me how a class defining skill called "Bolt Escape" is abused when it is frequently used for escaping? Or are you one of those melee guy that want to say "if sorc is caught within melee range they should accept death" while the inverse of the that logic doesn't apply to melee builds that get caught in range combat?

What the hell does "class defining skill" mean? Why is BE the one skill that defines sorcs and why calling it that should protect it from being changed for balancing reasons? Talons and Standard were pretty defining for DKs, they got nerfed too...

How does increasing the cost so you can't traverse the whole Cyrodiil on a full magicka bar, mean that you can't use it 2-3 times to escape combat and you have to "accept death" instead? Sensationalist BS, I say.

Also you're comparing apples with oranges. A gap closer can only close the gap to one target. If a melee warrior alone is targeted by 3 ranged units, he's toast because he can only close gap with one while the others will kite him to death. The Sorc could escape, not just 1 or 2 enemies but the whole field of combat and BE to the next safe keep. It's nowhere near the same thing however much you cry about it....

you call changing banner from 1000% OP to 800% OP a nerf?
why isn't dragon blood nerfed? Its stupidly OP, shrink it to 6 sec and heal for 15%, now we are talking a real class balance.

So your default argument is a melee should be able to take on three sorc at once? DO you actually support some sort of class balance or you just want DK to be the king of the hill? That just shows how OP DK class is, and you actually crying BE somehow "unfair"? Some guts here.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It looks like at 2000ish mana with warlock sets I can probably do a max of 5 teles? Not bad

I wish they implement this penalty when ur actually in combat tho instead of at all times. I use the skill mainly to travel fast when I'm in the wilderness.

I'm glad you can't because the rest of us have to use horses to travel fast in PVP and we're more vulnerable. Perhaps in PvE only.. but that seems a little indulgent.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

As a sorc I don't disagree that bolt escape could use a nerf, I just think that this isn't the way to do it. The issue with the skill isn't the fact that you can use it over and over. So a few sorcs get away from a zerg? So what, it's an escape skill. The problem is the fact that you can spam it in the middle of an enemy group who is stacked up on their leader and practically keep them perma-stunned. Changing the cost so you can only cast it five times is still enough for one person to keep a dozen enemies locked down for ten seconds while a few friends are spamming pulsar with predictable results. The nerf shouldn't be how often you can cast the skill but how often it stuns people.

crislevin

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm glad you can't because the rest of us have to use horses to travel fast in PVP and we're more vulnerable. Perhaps in PvE only.. but that seems a little indulgent.

Thats a good idea, make the cost change PvP only, I rarely go there anyway.

the horses are stupidly expensive, there should be more price variation, not everybody need a F1 race horse.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

As a sorc I don't disagree that bolt escape could use a nerf, I just think that this isn't the way to do it.

What a surprise.

It was outlandish. Nerf had to come. You can still use it and even spam it a little. Clearly if you think something is wrong with this solution you just wanted to buttonmash this skill. If not.. then this nerf is not a nerf for you.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

As a sorc I don't disagree that bolt escape could use a nerf, I just think that this isn't the way to do it.

What a surprise.

It was outlandish. Nerf had to come. You can still use it and even spam it a little. Clearly if you think something is wrong with this solution you just wanted to buttonmash this skill. If not.. then this nerf is not a nerf for you.

Did you even read what I wrote? I said it needed to be nerfed more not less.

crislevin

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

As a sorc I don't disagree that bolt escape could use a nerf, I just think that this isn't the way to do it.

What a surprise.

It was outlandish. Nerf had to come. You can still use it and even spam it a little. Clearly if you think something is wrong with this solution you just wanted to buttonmash this skill. If not.. then this nerf is not a nerf for you.

bull, by your logic, biting jabs should be nerfed another 500%, since thats the only skill Temps smash in any situation from 1-50.

Talon should be shrank to 1m radius, since DK smash that non-stop.

kitsinni

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

If this actually goes live they should rename the skill to just "Bolt" as the "Escape" part is now irrelevant since a bolting sorc will just get pulled back into melee range, rooted, and perma-stunned.

Certainly this skill needs to be changed to prevent the infinite use of it (apparently, some hack is involved), but for those of us who use it as intended we could only actually escape combat about half the time because many other players figured out how to counter it.

In all Heavy armor with no Magika or Magika Regen passives and 0 points or gear in to Magika you could still escape with it even after the nerf.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

Did you even read what I wrote? I said it needed to be nerfed more not less.

Nice try. I read what you wrote. You want the button to be mashable so you can run away. That's the very reason it's being nerfed. The number of sorcerers spamming it offensively, successfully: not many. The number of Bolt-spammers fleeing over the hills only to return and rez their allies shortly after: hundreds.
The number of Sorcerers in Cyrodiil travelling by spam instead of horse thus having a safer method of fast travel than is intended: all of them.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

Did you even read what I wrote? I said it needed to be nerfed more not less.

Nice try. I read what you wrote. You want the button to be mashable so you can run away. That's the very reason it's being nerfed. The number of sorcerers spamming it offensively, successfully: not many. The number of Bolt-spammers fleeing over the hills only to return and rez their allies shortly after: hundreds.
The number of Sorcerers in Cyrodiil travelling by spam instead of horse thus having a safer method of fast travel than is intended: all of them.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sorcerers don't spend their time running away and sneaking back to ninja res people. Nor do they bolt escape to the front lines instead of retreating maneuvers + light horse. But you're right, it would suck to have to walk when I can't mount five minutes after combat for whatever reason. But you know what? If it makes you feel better, nerf away, I think I can manage.

hk11

Wont be long before PvP will just be NB. Great Job

coryevans_3b14_ESO

crislevin wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

This is how it should be. It shouldn't be spammed. It should be used for escaping a bad situation, or moving into position for a gank or whatever. It shouldn't be used to travel as fast as my 65% horse.

why not? bolt escape is most useful for travel (it still is), how many sorc did you actually see spamming that in a combat. lol

Well, I see it all day in PVP. All they do is spam bolt escape. Do you even pvp brah?

coryevans_3b14_ESO

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

As a sorc I don't disagree that bolt escape could use a nerf, I just think that this isn't the way to do it.

What a surprise.

It was outlandish. Nerf had to come. You can still use it and even spam it a little. Clearly if you think something is wrong with this solution you just wanted to buttonmash this skill. If not.. then this nerf is not a nerf for you.

bull, by your logic, biting jabs should be nerfed another 500%, since thats the only skill Temps smash in any situation from 1-50.

Talon should be shrank to 1m radius, since DK smash that non-stop.

Please don't assume that everyone is a min/max d'bag that button mashes. I've never used biting jabs as a temp. Ever.

crislevin

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

As a sorc I don't disagree that bolt escape could use a nerf, I just think that this isn't the way to do it.

What a surprise.

It was outlandish. Nerf had to come. You can still use it and even spam it a little. Clearly if you think something is wrong with this solution you just wanted to buttonmash this skill. If not.. then this nerf is not a nerf for you.

bull, by your logic, biting jabs should be nerfed another 500%, since thats the only skill Temps smash in any situation from 1-50.

Talon should be shrank to 1m radius, since DK smash that non-stop.

Please don't assume that everyone is a min/max d'bag that button mashes. I've never used biting jabs as a temp. Ever.

so? devs don't make changes based on you as a individual player, or do they?

crislevin

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

This is how it should be. It shouldn't be spammed. It should be used for escaping a bad situation, or moving into position for a gank or whatever. It shouldn't be used to travel as fast as my 65% horse.

why not? bolt escape is most useful for travel (it still is), how many sorc did you actually see spamming that in a combat. lol

Well, I see it all day in PVP. All they do is spam bolt escape. Do you even pvp brah?

Not much, which begs the questions, if its a problem only in PVP, why THE HELL would they nerf it in PvE?

I don't give xxxxxxx for PVP, can they now separate the instances and make change applies only to PvP now?

ferzalrwb17_ESO

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sorcerers don't spend their time running away and sneaking back to ninja res people. Nor do they bolt escape to the front lines instead of retreating maneuvers + light horse. But you're right, it would suck to have to walk when I can't mount five minutes after combat for whatever reason. But you know what? If it makes you feel better, nerf away, I think I can manage.

They don't? We must all be imagining it. You obviously forget.. I also play WITH sorcerers. I know how much and why they spam about - it's safer than a possible dismount. And we often have horse vs Bolt-spam races to see just how fast it is. I only recently started outrunning bolt-spammers comfortably on a fast horse after getting it to past level 25. Without RM of course. They zap everywhere. It's faster than mounting/dismounting and many of them don't have fast horses. Why bother when you have Bolt-spam right?

I'm also rezzed by spamming sorcerers all the time. I rarely respawn. There's ALWAYS a sorcerer on hand who spammed away to come back and get us up.

Again.. nice try but all I see is "I wanna spaaaaaam".

crislevin

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sorcerers don't spend their time running away and sneaking back to ninja res people. Nor do they bolt escape to the front lines instead of retreating maneuvers + light horse. But you're right, it would suck to have to walk when I can't mount five minutes after combat for whatever reason. But you know what? If it makes you feel better, nerf away, I think I can manage.

They don't? We must all be imagining it. You obviously forget.. I also play WITH sorcerers. I know how much and why they spam about - it's safer than a possible dismount. And we often have horse vs Bolt-spam races to see just how fast it is. I only recently started outrunning bolt-spammers comfortably on a fast horse after getting it to past level 25. Without RM of course. They zap everywhere. It's faster than mounting/dismounting and many of them don't have fast horses. Why bother when you have Bolt-spam right?

I'm also rezzed by spamming sorcerers all the time. I rarely respawn. There's ALWAYS a sorcerer on hand who spammed away to come back and get us up.

Again.. nice try but all I see is "I wanna spaaaaaam".

question is, spamming BE to travel doesn't constitute OP, it simply doesn't KILL.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sorcerers don't spend their time running away and sneaking back to ninja res people. Nor do they bolt escape to the front lines instead of retreating maneuvers + light horse. But you're right, it would suck to have to walk when I can't mount five minutes after combat for whatever reason. But you know what? If it makes you feel better, nerf away, I think I can manage.

They don't? We must all be imagining it. You obviously forget.. I also play WITH sorcerers. I know how much and why they spam about - it's safer than a possible dismount. And we often have horse vs Bolt-spam races to see just how fast it is. I only recently started outrunning bolt-spammers comfortably on a fast horse after getting it to past level 25. Without RM of course. They zap everywhere. It's faster than mounting/dismounting and many of them don't have fast horses. Why bother when you have Bolt-spam right?

I'm also rezzed by spamming sorcerers all the time. I rarely respawn. There's ALWAYS a sorcerer on hand who spammed away to come back and get us up.

Again.. nice try but all I see is "I wanna spaaaaaam".

All I got from that is you play with broke sorcerers who use bolt escape as a poor man's horse. Nice try?

FunkyBudda

crislevin wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sorcerers don't spend their time running away and sneaking back to ninja res people. Nor do they bolt escape to the front lines instead of retreating maneuvers + light horse. But you're right, it would suck to have to walk when I can't mount five minutes after combat for whatever reason. But you know what? If it makes you feel better, nerf away, I think I can manage.

They don't? We must all be imagining it. You obviously forget.. I also play WITH sorcerers. I know how much and why they spam about - it's safer than a possible dismount. And we often have horse vs Bolt-spam races to see just how fast it is. I only recently started outrunning bolt-spammers comfortably on a fast horse after getting it to past level 25. Without RM of course. They zap everywhere. It's faster than mounting/dismounting and many of them don't have fast horses. Why bother when you have Bolt-spam right?

I'm also rezzed by spamming sorcerers all the time. I rarely respawn. There's ALWAYS a sorcerer on hand who spammed away to come back and get us up.

Again.. nice try but all I see is "I wanna spaaaaaam".

question is, spamming BE to travel doesn't constitute OP, it simply doesn't KILL.

the whiners will never understand, the best lesson is to let them have a taste of their own medicine. When one of the skills affecting is being targeted for nerf, you just make sure you do as much whining and crying in the threads to make it a reality. After that, quote them from this thread and tell them "karma is a *** eh?"

crislevin

Come on guys, we aren't QQING even to 10% of some DKS level after a nerf, they even QQING after buffs!

How do we get any help if we don't even QQ here?

ThisOnePosts

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SilverWF

crislevin wrote: »

use it again within 4 sec increase cost by 50%.

Are DKs happy now?

All bad players will eat ground even with that nerf.
And will came to forum to even more whine.

crislevin

SilverWF wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

use it again within 4 sec increase cost by 50%.

Are DKs happy now?

All bad players will eat ground even with that nerf.
And will came to forum to even more whine.

Its a fact of life, no Nerf is too small, no buff is too big, if you don't whine, other classes will. Why not join the fun and at least let your voice heard.

Lepratul

More nerf instead of boost others = Less player in the future, they simply stop pay for this and leave.