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So 1.2 nerfed Bolt escape HAAAAARD

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crislevin
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use it again within 4 sec increase cost by 50%.

Are DKs happy now? :p
  • Syndy
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    Contrary to popular belief there are other classes in this game besides DK and Sorc.

    But to answer your question, i am sure they are, as well as NB and Templars...
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  • crislevin
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    f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »
    Contrary to popular belief there are other classes in this game besides DK and Sorc.

    But to answer your question, i am sure they are, as well as NB and Templars...

    nice, now they are satisfied, lets come back to the OP skill of DKs and nerf some more!

    Banner, green dragon blood and talon need some more attention please.
    Edited by crislevin on 3 June 2014 21:53
  • Ser Lobo
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    I like their choice, too. It's not that the mage CANT use it, if they absolutely need to. And it's not like the first use costs any more. But there is now a penalty for repetitive spam.

    Still very usable, just not as spammable.
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  • GrimCyclone
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    Best news in the history of MMO. Can't wait to see the fizzle out right as my arrow flies into their chest. AP ch-ching.
  • Worstluck
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    This is how it should be. It shouldn't be spammed. It should be used for escaping a bad situation, or moving into position for a gank or whatever. It shouldn't be used to travel as fast as my 65% horse.
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  • xDonMega
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    Terrible change.. they need to up the bolt escape distance to 22m.
  • crislevin
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    Worstluck wrote: »
    This is how it should be. It shouldn't be spammed. It should be used for escaping a bad situation, or moving into position for a gank or whatever. It shouldn't be used to travel as fast as my 65% horse.

    why not? bolt escape is most useful for travel (it still is), how many sorc did you actually see spamming that in a combat. lol
    Edited by crislevin on 3 June 2014 21:59
  • Rhoric
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    the PvPers are still gonna complain that mages use bolt escape.
  • anakaki
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    f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »
    Contrary to popular belief there are other classes in this game besides DK and Sorc.

    There is?

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    Templars do more dps than DK's.
  • anakaki
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    the PvPers are still gonna complain that mages use bolt escape.

    Yes, because it's still too good but this is fine with me.
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    Templars do more dps than DK's.
  • crislevin
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    so technical question,

    supposed I used BE at time 0 sec, it cost 350 magicka
    then I used it again at time 1sec, it cost 350+175=525 magicka
    now, if I use it again at time 2sec, what would be the cost? 525? or 525+262.5=787?

    basically, is there a cap for the penalty?
  • anakaki
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    crislevin wrote: »
    so technical question,

    supposed I used BE at time 0 sec, it cost 350 magicka
    then I used it again at time 1sec, it cost 350+175=525 magicka
    now, if I use it again at time 2sec, what would be the cost? 525? or 525+262.5=787?

    basically, is there a cap for the penalty?
    crislevin wrote: »
    so technical question,

    supposed I used BE at time 0 sec, it cost 350 magicka
    then I used it again at time 1sec, it cost 350+175=525 magicka
    now, if I use it again at time 2sec, what would be the cost? 525? or 525+262.5=787?

    basically, is there a cap for the penalty?

    I'm guessing the cap is when your out of magicka?

    Face me!
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    Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
    Templars do more dps than DK's.
  • crislevin
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    wrote:

    I'm guessing the cap is when your out of magicka?

    Face me!

    I guess answer is you actually have no clue. :p
    Edited by crislevin on 3 June 2014 22:09
  • Prokonto
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    Great^^ Thats good news. Its usable but not spammable anymore or quick oom:P Really balanced fix, well done Zen:>
  • anakaki
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    crislevin wrote: »
    wrote:

    I'm guessing the cap is when your out of magicka?

    Face me!

    I guess answer is you actually have no clue. :p

    Nope.
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    Templars do more dps than DK's.
  • crislevin
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    anakaki wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    wrote:

    I'm guessing the cap is when your out of magicka?

    Face me!

    I guess answer is you actually have no clue. :p

    Nope.

    Most likely capped at first increase. lol, at 550, its likely the most expansive spells in the game. anything more would be comical.

    we shall see!
  • WilliamTee
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    crislevin wrote: »
    so technical question,

    supposed I used BE at time 0 sec, it cost 350 magicka
    then I used it again at time 1sec, it cost 350+175=525 magicka
    now, if I use it again at time 2sec, what would be the cost? 525? or 525+262.5=787?

    basically, is there a cap for the penalty?

    Worryingly that's the first question that came to my mind too... As there's a big deal of difference between the two.
  • crislevin
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    WilliamTee wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    so technical question,

    supposed I used BE at time 0 sec, it cost 350 magicka
    then I used it again at time 1sec, it cost 350+175=525 magicka
    now, if I use it again at time 2sec, what would be the cost? 525? or 525+262.5=787?

    basically, is there a cap for the penalty?

    Worryingly that's the first question that came to my mind too... As there's a big deal of difference between the two.

    would be fascinating to see a tooltip saying this spell costs 1200 magicka, something for the record book for sure!

    since bolt escape doesn't counter gap closer anymore, may be the skill should be called a different name?

    how about "Expensive Bolt"?
  • zeuseason
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    Some players just want to watch the world burn.
  • zgrssd
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    crislevin wrote: »
    use it again within 4 sec increase cost by 50%.

    Are DKs happy now? :p
    Are you sure about this? Nothing in the patch notes says anything about this (but then again it might have been an oversight).

    Edit: Nevermind. I failed at reading. You meant the patch notes of PTS (1.2), not the Patchnotes for the normal server (1.1.2)

    Actually I recently started a discussion on the thematic. The cloests I got to a final result:
    It's not really bolt escape that is the problem.
    It is the Morph that gives magic projectile immunity comboined with the current favouring of magica based abilities (as they are stronger). If people used more Stam abilities, it could be countered. But that is not feasible right now.

    So the current approach of nerfing the Magica based abilities to be more in line with Stam abilities should take of the "Can Solo Group Content", "Everyone has to use light armor lategame" issues in addition to this one.
    Edited by zgrssd on 3 June 2014 23:22
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  • eliisra
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    As a sorc, I am perfectly fine with this change. Especially since they did some work on our (currently) *** pets and a few other skills. The Dark Exchange morph change, looks really good to.

    I never use BE in combat more than once or twice anyway. That's also how I feel it should be used. But than again I'm subjective about it since I rarely solo. Blinking half the map to avoid death, contributes with nothing, if you're in a group.

    Do hope they fix the stuck in combat bug. That's the only time I spam Bolt Escape, to keep up with mounts when I cant get out of combat (because I used a freaking HoT 5 minutes earlier).
  • Morbus2
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    crislevin wrote: »
    use it again within 4 sec increase cost by 50%.

    Are DKs happy now? :p

    This is terrible. Once again ZoS has ruined a perfectly good skill to cater to the PvP whiners and QQ'ers. This game is going down hill faster than anyone could have predicted and its all because of self-inflicted wounds.

    They can't do anything right :(


  • Necronomicon
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    This is great, for once they did something right!
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    Necronomicon wrote: »
    This is great, for once they did something right!

    One thing right 10 things wrong. Still going backwards. Sinking. Dying... however you want to word it.
  • Singular
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    It's a poor change. Bolt escape doesn't work properly as it is - it never stuns targets you move through, it doesn't work at all 20% of the time (which sometimes leads to a permanent 100% until log out).

    If they don't subsequently increase the range, all this ability will do is jump you a bit, and then you'll be sucked right back in - so it's no longer "escape" but "move a bit away."
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    zeuseason wrote: »
    Some players just want to watch the world burn.

    Judging by their skill lines, Dragon Knights mostly... :p
    I can has typing!
  • jeradlub17_ESO
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    crislevin wrote: »
    use it again within 4 sec increase cost by 50%.

    Are DKs happy now? :p

    Hope this never goes live as it will destroy the sorc class playability unless they also add at the same time some kind of survivability against rush and bash. With this proposal you wouldn't even be able to use the spell to fight to avoid bash/rush instead of run away. There has never been anything wrong with the actual skill itself. It is the pvp'rs using the hack mod that allows them to port forever people are really mad at but they don't understand that. Changing the base skill isn't going to fix the cheaters' hack mods.
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  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    It's a start.

    Now just to get it's distance lowered and maybe have it drop them in a pit of lava if they use it more than once.
  • brandon
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    good it needed a nerf its still usable but now its got a penalty for spamming it
  • SuperJChat
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    crislevin wrote: »
    Worstluck wrote: »
    This is how it should be. It shouldn't be spammed. It should be used for escaping a bad situation, or moving into position for a gank or whatever. It shouldn't be used to travel as fast as my 65% horse.

    why not? bolt escape is most useful for travel (it still is), how many sorc did you actually see spamming that in a combat. lol

    Most of them? either to escape cause they are losing/suck (lol) or to stun lock players by bolting away, bolting back, and so on
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