So 1.2 nerfed Bolt escape HAAAAARD

SuperJChat

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Hope this never goes live as it will destroy the sorc class playability unless they also add at the same time some kind of survivability against rush and bash. With this proposal you wouldn't even be able to use the spell to fight to avoid bash/rush instead of run away. There has never been anything wrong with the actual skill itself. It is the pvp'rs using the hack mod that allows them to port forever people are really mad at but they don't understand that. Changing the base skill isn't going to fix the cheaters' hack mods.

Wait, nerfing 1 ability completely breaks Sorc? Lol, you've never heard of versatility have you

crislevin

SuperJChat wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

This is how it should be. It shouldn't be spammed. It should be used for escaping a bad situation, or moving into position for a gank or whatever. It shouldn't be used to travel as fast as my 65% horse.

why not? bolt escape is most useful for travel (it still is), how many sorc did you actually see spamming that in a combat. lol

Most of them? either to escape cause they are losing/suck (lol) or to stun lock players by bolting away, bolting back, and so on

if all you meet are those types, you need find some better sorc to play against.

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

Worstluck wrote: »

This is how it should be. It shouldn't be spammed. It should be used for escaping a bad situation, or moving into position for a gank or whatever. It shouldn't be used to travel as fast as my 65% horse.

It will still get spammed hard, but once they've burned all of their magicka getting away, you have some time to catch up to them.

But

They wear cloth, so their regen is fast. Drink a potion and pop that and you're back to spamming it to get away.

Sadly...
they should have increased its magicka usage by 75% more, or more on top of that.

Asava

The range needs to be doubled then, period.

taylorwilenskiub17_ESO

Dunno why DKs would be happy, we got nerfed again lol. two nerfs on burning talons now lol XD

Catches_the_Sun

This is a necessary change. I didn't see anything in the patch notes that isn't justified as far as the skill balance changes go. Good Sorcs have never relied on this anyway.

Yam_of_the_Center

crislevin wrote: »

So 1.2 nerfed Bolt escape HAAAAARD

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RedTalon

I must admit ZOS knows its not nerfing its making a skill balance and fit its name, only abusers worry.

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO

It looks like at 2000ish mana with warlock sets I can probably do a max of 5 teles? Not bad

I wish they implement this penalty when ur actually in combat tho instead of at all times. I use the skill mainly to travel fast when I'm in the wilderness.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

SuperJChat wrote: »

Most of them? either to escape cause they are losing/suck (lol) or to stun lock players by bolting away, bolting back, and so on

That wont happen either since they are introducing immunity timers to the same type of stun in the same patch.

logsplitter69b14_ESO

Kind of sad to see this nerfed. I don't play sorc but had a funny experience with bolt.

We had a lot of siege engines attacking a keep wall. One lone enemy mage bolts in, casts a few harmless spells and bolts away. Our entire force defending the siege equipment chased after him (Including myself). I stopped and looked back to see enemy forces jumping from the walls and slaughtering our siege equipment and their operators. The rest of us were so spread out across the map chasing this bolt mage that were were easy kills.

This ability made me as furious as everyone else at one point. But to me its greatest ability was to turn the mob mentality on its ear. In Zerg vs Zerg, misdirection is very powerful.

OmniDo

zgrssd wrote: »

It is the Morph that gives magic projectile immunity combined with the current favoring of magicka based abilities (as they are stronger).

Well of course theyre stronger.
We're dealing with Magic here; the process of manipulating reality through force of will alone, catalyzed by an ethereal energy.
What can stamina possibly have on that?

Its the same dumb argument that killed SWToR.
Sorry pal, if you dont have the Force, youre pretty much nothing but fodder unless you manage a lucky shot.
And against a Master? Sure. You and what Army?

Besides, this is Tamriel.
All superior creatures wield magic, and if they dont, theyre inferior, period.

ForTheRealm

I will wait to test it myself, but it seems it is not that big deal.
My Sorc's magicka pool is quite big and can be easily replenished, I'd say it will have a minor effect on Bolt Escape usage.
Additionally, Sorcs got a lot of nice boosts, e.g. Crystal Blast AoE effect, Dark Deal while moving, pet target attack, Storm Atronach damage increase... etc.

Uviryth

OmniDo wrote: »

Well of course theyre stronger.
We're dealing with Magic here; the process of manipulating reality through force of will alone, catalyzed by an ethereal energy.
What can stamina possibly have on that?

100 pounds of Axe through the mages head?

Its the same dumb argument that killed SWToR.
Sorry pal, if you dont have the Force, youre pretty much nothing but fodder unless you manage a lucky shot.
And against a Master? Sure. You and what Army?

Actually, Jedi and sith often get killed by "regular" people, because the power often makes them sloppy.

killedbyping

I think this is perfectly fitting change.
You still can use Bolt escape normaly, you can even use it 3-4 times i believe if you have alot of Magicka reductions, but it still somehow prevent a complete abuse and spam of this ability.

P.S. Was about to say for the first time since start of the game "Well done ZOS" but then i rember how sucky and buggy most of patches are and i wait for the actual patch with those words.

Mephos

this will solve nothing..

the guys who complain that it is a "escape tool for each situation" will still have this problem. who cares if a mage has 0 magicka left when hes about 100 miles away from you.

Inco

I don't have BOLT, but I think this nerf was overdue.

I also think it was done in a very cautious manner in order to obtain maximum benefit and decrease the abilities spamming to create an unfair advantage.

Just need some more Templar Love if you please ZOS....

Maulkin

Mephos wrote: »

this will solve nothing..

the guys who complain that it is a "escape tool for each situation" will still have this problem. who cares if a mage has 0 magicka left when hes about 100 miles away from you.

Well if he committed some magicka to the fight, then he won't be able to get 100 miles away will he now? If he was just sitting idly by, reserving all his magicka for running with his tail between his legs then fine by me, shoo away.

I think you can still get away fine. The cost of using it twice has just gone from 2 times Base Cost to 2.5 (1+1.5), so an increase of 25%. Considering how Sorcs used to spam it 7-8 times, that a fraction of an increase and it'll still get you out of range of shield bashes and roots.

Doesn't impair the solo questing much either. Good change

Gisgo

GrimCyclone wrote: »

Best news in the history of MMO. Can't wait to see the fizzle out right as my arrow flies into their chest. AP ch-ching.

Arent you the same guy that opened several threads against "nerfing"?

I guess you are only against it when its hitting your class.

Sallakat

It's going to be interesting to see if sorcs go down to DK level on the whine and cry department and make themselves look as ridiculous

That being said, I still don't understand how badly so many people could've gotten butthurt in pvp when they couldn't kill a bolt escaping sorc, to have all the collective nerf cries of a single skill of that sort. And for the same people to cry more nerf on that skill, seems idiotic really.

And no, I don't have bolt escape on my sorc alt.

Rylana

Id have much rather seen roots/stuns/disables knocking blinkers out of blink and actually affecting them

As it is BE has pretty much negated any form of CC regarding Sorcs, which is utter BS.

Selstad

Ok sorcerers, it's time for the DK routine now, follow these steps:

1. Make a post that clearly states your disposition to this change
2. Make sure your post is full of bold text. It needs to be in bold, if it's not in bold, it's invalid. If you have to, write entire paragraphs in bold. That'll show them your superiority.
3. Boil together some numbers that states that the existence of this game hinges on you and you alone. Be as egocentric as you possibly can.
4. When confronted or you get an answer you can't argue against, use every fallacy you can come up with.
5. Make sure every post you have has some paragraphs of bold. Remember, your superiority depends on bold text.

Got it? Good. Hey-*** Nerfbat AWAY!

Rylana

Am I doin it rite?

Sallakat

crislevin

Sallakat wrote: »

It's going to be interesting to see if sorcs go down to DK level on the whine and cry department and make themselves look as ridiculous

we may have to, so DK can stop harassing us. next thing you know, they will cry clafnner is OP, just so they can deflect attention on their OP skills.

Elyna

Good.

Selstad

Dam Rylana! That is some superior bold you have there, your arguments are clearly way above the rest here

hk11

Now maybe the sorcs will be the easy kills everyone wishes them to be.
Heard that spellslinger and esper are pretty fun.

makkon

good changes. may be abit expensive and hammerlike, but this fix is needed

xDonMega wrote: »

Terrible change.. they need to up the bolt escape distance to 22m.

any sorc today: spam until escape. success almost 100%
after 1.2: 50% less effective. with new dark exchange its ok

lets compare to other classes:
dk - cant even escape. they can only mitigate alot of damage and heal self
templar - cant even escape. they can only mitigate decent amount of damage and heal self + others
nb - can escape. but with huge chance to fail. big magika price, easy to detect, low duration.

looks like balanced to me

hamon

anakaki wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Contrary to popular belief there are other classes in this game besides DK and Sorc.

There is?

alegedly , they told me templar was a class and i believed them .... the joke was on me