Nightblade update ?? WHAT ABOUT TEMPLARS ??

Drasn

If you paid 300k for that gear, I hate to tell you, but you got ripped off. And warlock set isn't even necessary.

anakaki

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

If you paid 300k for that gear, I hate to tell you, but you got ripped off. And warlock set isn't even necessary.

I'm not arguing for myself but for those struggling. But kudos if you feel templar is up to date with sorcerer. I myself think it's not. Templar is more gear dependant and thats a fact.

Guess I should have bought all the billion mats from you but after days searching you get sick of it and pay what people want.

Drasn

anakaki wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

If you paid 300k for that gear, I hate to tell you, but you got ripped off. And warlock set isn't even necessary.

I'm not arguing for myself but for those struggling. But kudos if you feel templar is up to date with sorcerer. I myself think it's not. Templar is more gear dependant and thats a fact.

Guess I should have bought all the billion mats from you but after days searching you get sick of it and pay what people want.

Lol wish I had a billion mats, but I don't. I didn't even legendary my templar's gear, its purple and probably staying that way.

I didn't say templar was up to date with sorcerer... that's another issue entirely. I said sorcerers are not better healers than templars. Yes, it takes a little more work and understanding of how resource management works, but templars are better at 1 thing in this game.

Tankqull

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

well what you do not take into consideration here is that sorcs profit aswell by using the same equipment like your templar by mindlessly spamming what ever they like to.

ExiledKhallisi

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

Pais

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

If this is true I need to respec my Temp...thanks. Will try this tonight.

Drasn

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

well what you do not take into consideration here is that sorcs profit aswell by using the same equipment like your templar by mindlessly spamming what ever they like to.

Not sure what you are arguing.

Templars are better healers than sorcs because of variety and quality of heals.

I asked for him to state why he believed sorcs were better healers, magicka regen was his answer.

I stated that magicka regen is not a problem for a properly built templar.

Hope that caught you up... or at least helped you to understand what we were discussing.

Zaxq

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

Heres the real problem:

[snip] on the forums make sweeping generalisations without any evidence to back it up.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Drasn

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

I agree, people got biting jabs at level 3 and abused the hell out of it and forgot about the other abilities the class has.

Ravinsild

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

1st im already V12, so i dont have to level..
2nd Im seeing posts all over the place about templars struggeling trought even quest content they cant finish..
3rd Dawn of wrath + Aedric spear are a joke in PvE and PvP..
4th They nerf our only skill worth using as a DPS skill in all 3 tree, and they nerf it because of bots..
5th Nova compared to standard DK.. its less as good, its 9 seconds instead of standard 17 seconds ??? and needs twice the freaking ultimate ???
6th You force templars to go tank/healer, because its the only tree in templar class skills that is freaking worth using ( restoring light ).. Aedric spear + Dawn of wrath, the whole tree basicly sucks.. HELP !

7th Srsly i love the game, but ZoS give us some info if you are working on templar as well, because Sorc/DK are 2 lvls higher in DPS, survivability, ultimates..

P.s and please NERF THE SORC BLINK,

Fixed that for you.

terence.caroneb17_ESO

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

another guy saying his long range build works so people shouldn't use Biting Jabs.
How many more selfish people are gonna come up with that sort of talk ? You got no problem using only resto staffs so everyone should do that ?

You just forgot about one entire skill line and you're proud of it, hurray. You don't know the templar class, and you certainly don't know biting jabs to post things like this.
And every mmo got people spamming one ability in every class, unskilled players. They die more often when the combat gets tough, that's part of the game. You're generalizing cause you think you have it all figure out, when you don't have a clue of how Biting Jabs work and why it isn't OP and how its worthless if you spam it in Veteran zones without proper debuffs on enemies.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

Im sorry, but then you are clueless.. Eclipse aint even a dps spell so i ruled that out.. was talking about dps.. Darkflare is quite nice, but compared to crystal shard it aint.. Next Sun fire and morphes, are kind of *** also, the snare is quite nice.. DMG aint, even for vampire bane..

Backslash takes to long to cast, and overules another backslash so ye.. still its a undercover hard hitter..

We basicly dont have any nice aoe, and Spear shard is hard to place good after eachother and only stuns one person..

Aurora javalin is now fixed, and only dps skill worth using for ranged ( still uses shitloads of mana but which temp skill does not -_- )

i got 47% critspell and 1vs1 we do quite oke in PvP, but its almost only zerg vs zerg ( 1vs1 agianst sorc is useless anyway they blink away )

Srsly we need fixes, period.. maybe even harder then NB
90% of our spells need improvement actually ( dawn of wrath, aedric spear)

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

well what you do not take into consideration here is that sorcs profit aswell by using the same equipment like your templar by mindlessly spamming what ever they like to.

Not sure what you are arguing.

Templars are better healers than sorcs because of variety and quality of heals.

I asked for him to state why he believed sorcs were better healers, magicka regen was his answer.

I stated that magicka regen is not a problem for a properly built templar.

Hope that caught you up... or at least helped you to understand what we were discussing.

Yes and you can use even use equlibrium

monkeymystic

It's funny how Templars whine how "weak" they are, with "zero" magicka regen.
Yet the cry that DKs are op.

Guess what, DKs dont have magicka regen either, they used Elemental Drain before and they have to use Spirit Siphon now. Without they run out instant.

Maybe Templars one day learn to do the same?
Atleast I know I have no magicka issues on my own Templar.

ExiledKhallisi

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

Im sorry, but then you are clueless.. Eclipse aint even a dps spell so i ruled that out.. was talking about dps.. Darkflare is quite nice, but compared to crystal shard it aint.. Next Sun fire and morphes, are kind of *** also, the snare is quite nice.. DMG aint, even for vampire bane..

Backslash takes to long to cast, and overules another backslash so ye.. still its a undercover hard hitter..

We basicly dont have any nice aoe, and Spear shard is hard to place good after eachother and only stuns one person..

Aurora javalin is now fixed, and only dps skill worth using for ranged ( still uses shitloads of mana but which temp skill does not -_- )

i got 47% critspell and 1vs1 we do quite oke in PvP, but its almost only zerg vs zerg ( 1vs1 agianst sorc is useless anyway they blink away )

Srsly we need fixes, period.. maybe even harder then NB
90% of our spells need improvement actually ( dawn of wrath, aedric spear)

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

well what you do not take into consideration here is that sorcs profit aswell by using the same equipment like your templar by mindlessly spamming what ever they like to.

Not sure what you are arguing.

Templars are better healers than sorcs because of variety and quality of heals.

I asked for him to state why he believed sorcs were better healers, magicka regen was his answer.

I stated that magicka regen is not a problem for a properly built templar.

Hope that caught you up... or at least helped you to understand what we were discussing.

Yes and you can use even use equlibrium

You are actually clueless.

Guys do you ever stop while bickering and complaining on the forums... that maybe the problem is just you? Eclipse reflects spells back at target which do damage....

???????

anakaki

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper ge

monkeymystic wrote: »

It's funny how Templars whine how "weak" they are, with "zero" magicka regen.
Yet the cry that DKs are op.

Guess what, DKs dont have magicka regen either, they used Elemental Drain before and they have to use Spirit Siphon now. Without they run out instant.

Maybe Templars one day learn to do the same?
Atleast I know I have no magicka issues on my own Templar.

I don't have a problem. But many do so I try to tell clueless developers the issues at hand.

And yes, dk's are OP. If you don't agree your doing it wrong.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

Im sorry, but then you are clueless.. Eclipse aint even a dps spell so i ruled that out.. was talking about dps.. Darkflare is quite nice, but compared to crystal shard it aint.. Next Sun fire and morphes, are kind of *** also, the snare is quite nice.. DMG aint, even for vampire bane..

Backslash takes to long to cast, and overules another backslash so ye.. still its a undercover hard hitter..

We basicly dont have any nice aoe, and Spear shard is hard to place good after eachother and only stuns one person..

Aurora javalin is now fixed, and only dps skill worth using for ranged ( still uses shitloads of mana but which temp skill does not -_- )

i got 47% critspell and 1vs1 we do quite oke in PvP, but its almost only zerg vs zerg ( 1vs1 agianst sorc is useless anyway they blink away )

Srsly we need fixes, period.. maybe even harder then NB
90% of our spells need improvement actually ( dawn of wrath, aedric spear)

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

well what you do not take into consideration here is that sorcs profit aswell by using the same equipment like your templar by mindlessly spamming what ever they like to.

Not sure what you are arguing.

Templars are better healers than sorcs because of variety and quality of heals.

I asked for him to state why he believed sorcs were better healers, magicka regen was his answer.

I stated that magicka regen is not a problem for a properly built templar.

Hope that caught you up... or at least helped you to understand what we were discussing.

Yes and you can use even use equlibrium

You are actually clueless.

Guys do you ever stop while bickering and complaining on the forums... that maybe the problem is just you? Eclipse reflects spells back at target which do damage....

???????

Ye but useless in PvE situations kind of

Calgrissom

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

My main is a templar, 0 points in Spear line.... maxed Dawns/Restoring using resto staff in both slots..... And i have blazed through the game. in vet content and not slowing down.

Here's the real problem:

People button mash, have tunnel vision and don't read what their skilll actually do.

I have 37% spell crit that works for heals and dps.(Inner Light, 5%lightarmour, 5%set bonus 2%from passive) Can your sorc drop a 2k dmg bomb on someone and follow it up with an ultimate for an instant kill?

Eclipse is also one of the best pve/pvp skills in the game. Can literally run into a pack of mobs drop eclipse on all the casters and pick off the rest while dpsing and healing myself. We dont have magicka issues at higher lvls. Wear proper gears/enchants.

Not everyone plays a cloth caster mage Templar. If you play a tank Templar you understand the vast need for our melee abilities to improve. If I wanted to wear a dress and twirl a stick around I would have played a sorc.

Tamanous

It is cute how people think the few NB changes this patch fixed the class. This update didn't even address 1/4 of the NB bugged skills and passives. Take a look at the upcoming changes posted for NB. Even those do not address 50% of the NB bugs and useless powers.

Perhaps after the next patch and whatever changes Templar gets too, Nightblade will finally be on par with Templar and both can move forward to finally become viable eventually. For the large part Templar seems to be scaling issue. NB is just a mess of bugs.

NerfEverything

This is why I cancelled my sub. I'm a VR10 templar. We have been underwhelming since launch, and I just kept hoping we would eventually get some love to bring us in line with DK and Socrs. But nope, we get nerfed.

We can't compete with DK tanks, and Sorc healers are preferred over templars now.

This game has come down to Templars and NBs just standing in the corner like "Can we play too?" and DKs and Sorcs are just laughing at us while they faceroll all the content.

Apsalon

Am i the only one who thinks there should be a program implemented in the forums, that automatically deletes every post with the keywords "imba", "nerf", "op"?

Freedom of speech is one if not the most important acomplishments of mankind, but at some point opinions just become downright poison in forums.

"nerf class Y!"
"no class X should be nerfed!"
"you're both wrong. class Z is op!"

What's the point? As a developer i would just dread every moment in these forums that i have to read this useless garbage.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

Apsalon wrote: »

Am i the only one who thinks there should be a program implemented in the forums, that automatically deletes every post with the keywords "imba", "nerf", "op"?

Freedom of speech is one if not the most important acomplishments of mankind, but at some point opinions just become downright poison in forums.

"nerf class Y!"
"no class X should be nerfed!"
"you're both wrong. class Z is op!"

What's the point? As a developer i would just dread every moment in these forums that i have to read this useless garbage.

I can understand your frustration, but it aint in this title is it ?
Its a fact the Sorc/DK are 2 far better classes then Temp/NB..

Oh and also, if seen how good sorcerer can heal.. Screw this game, they even might be better at healing also

NerfEverything wrote: »

This is why I cancelled my sub. I'm a VR10 templar. We have been underwhelming since launch, and I just kept hoping we would eventually get some love to bring us in line with DK and Socrs. But nope, we get nerfed.

We can't compete with DK tanks, and Sorc healers are preferred over templars now.

This game has come down to Templars and NBs just standing in the corner like "Can we play too?" and DKs and Sorcs are just laughing at us while they faceroll all the content.

Ye and its not like, ow im gonna reroll to a sorcerer.. Because getting v12 took me already 2 months

ExiledKhallisi

Lets put it this way.... we can outheal any class in the game at endgame...... Do you really think it would be fair if we were on par DPS with other builds and outhealed them? why would anyone play other builds?

Remember vanilla wow holy paladins? They could *** on people while perma healing themselves. That was just dumb. Then they got nerfed to where their DPS wasn't4 so great as holy.

In this game you could 50/50 all skills and have everything at once.... it just wouldnt work.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Lets put it this way.... we can outheal any class in the game at endgame...... Do you really think it would be fair if we were on par DPS with other builds and outhealed them? why would anyone play other builds?

Remember vanilla wow holy paladins? They could *** on people while perma healing themselves. That was just dumb. Then they got nerfed to where their DPS wasn't4 so great as holy.

In this game you could 50/50 all skills and have everything at once.... it just wouldnt work.

First off, all classes are made so they can basicly fit all roles..
Second of all this is not freaking WoW.. You people need to stop compare WoW to ESO And also stop assuming that everyone played WoW..




And im gonna say you this, if been doing some researching.. Sorcerers are maybe even beter healers then templars -_-

Noobie

I play both a NB and Templar. In Vr content NB is alot easier to solo then a templar due to their skills. in PvP they are a little better then templar but still suck although its doable until your hiding behind a rock from the zerg. They do need a buff but they are 1 step higher currently then templars. On my templars I'm basically cutting up 3 VR mobs with no shadowy disguise with a butter knife, and heals. On my NB i can cut 3 VR mobs down to 2 easily with stealth and my opener, then just shadowy disguise stunlock 1 and fear the other.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

Noobie wrote: »

I play both a NB and Templar. In Vr content NB is alot easier to solo then a templar due to their skills. in PvP they are a little better then templar but still suck although its doable until your hiding behind a rock from the zerg. They do need a buff but they are 1 step higher currently then templars. On my templars I'm basically cutting up 3 VR mobs with no shadowy disguise with a butter knife, and heals. On my NB i can cut 3 VR mobs down to 2 easily with stealth and my opener, then just shadowy disguise stunlock 1 and fear the other.

So your point is ?

Natjur

All classes should be able to full any role, but at end game the fights are longer and its about resource management, and the biggest killer for Templars vs Sorc or DK is magic recovery.

Sorc and DK have skills that give them magic back, Templars had it in beta, it was taken away and not replaced with anything. It was not a real issue UNTIL, they added in large long fights again and 4/12 raids

Now Templars just don't cut it anymore. NB has lots of issues but at least they are getting looked at. Templars are just getting nerfed more.

Just look at the trail runs, most have 11 Sorc/DK, 1 Templar and 0 NB

Arreyanne

Well let use the standard reply from the people that think the game is just leaps and bounds above anything out there atm:

"The game was just released less than two months ago. (Insert whatever game they choose) was bad a t release also."

ON TOPIC: yes I agree templar's are in nearly the same shape as NB's.

grizzbi

NB - at least - have the attention from ZOS. They are worked on. We don't even have this chance. I can accept that and still work (hard) to find a (very) few acceptable builds to play with, renouncing to many class abilities because they don't fit well together enough. But I'm sure that most of the templar simply won't.

JoyEnergiser

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

well what you do not take into consideration here is that sorcs profit aswell by using the same equipment like your templar by mindlessly spamming what ever they like to.

hahah, mindlessly spamming resto staff compared to the burst of templars? Nope, sorry.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

JoyEnergiser wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

At lower levels when templars actually have magicka issues, sure the sorc can do sustained heals better. At content that actually matters, a well built templar doesn't go magicka staved either.

well what you do not take into consideration here is that sorcs profit aswell by using the same equipment like your templar by mindlessly spamming what ever they like to.

hahah, mindlessly spamming resto staff compared to the burst of templars? Nope, sorry.

I thought this also, ye we got the burst.. Is it needed ? NO ! Only maybe in PvP.. Yeeaahhh, great -_-